Of course STS was better, Frankel was mollycoddled and played it safe so we will just never know with Frankel, to be great you have to dare to dream...Frankel didn't....and he beat a substandard lot in average times...much as I loved watching his eye-catching displays....it hugely exaggerated his achievements as when really tested he could only beat Cirrus by a length and Nathaniel by a length...so there was his true form, can't rate him based on Excelebration and Bullet Train...his rating has to be based around Nathaniel and Cirrus...and Cirrus was ageing and had travelled to face him so I have no doubts Cirrus would have beaten him at home the year before.
@@marttyler2569 hard to argue with fact isnt it. You're one of those emotional fans who spouts about subjective ratings and hyperbole. He beat the only 2 decent horses he faced....by a length.
@@ajvindiesel8517Well fact is he achieved a treble recognized greats have failed to do guinneas , English derby , arc. Fact is his times beat all the recognized greats on turf . One of the greats of all time.
Sea The Stars!! He was a great horse!! No he's not deceased, but he is certainly Legendary!! He has his ups and downs, as a racing champion!! He's been retired for a while and his off spring is bright and off to a good start!! He's 17 now and he is living his life, to the fullest!! I hope he had many more years to come!! The Racing Fans love you!! Sea The Stars, you are The Greatest!!
Beating Youmzain who did not win for four and a half years receiving weight is the best performance of all time ??? I think you should look at Pebbles Champion Stakes for starters and then Secretariats Belmont win which was THE best performance of all time by a mile.
@@simonchapman5560 You can only beat what´s in the race. And except for the 2 pacemakers, every horse ran better or equal to RPS. Only one of two Group1 races in the past 20 years.
I loved that horse. I couldnt believe what he done in his 3yo season. Kinane was a great jockey. And ofcourse good old Rip Van Winkle deservers an honourable mention I cheered him on in the eclipse but it wasnt to be, he was a consistent horse at the top level.
I would argue Mastercraftsman came closer to beating STS in the 09' Juddmonte International Stakes than Rip Van Winkle did in the Coral-Eclipse. RVW beat Paco Boy & Ghaanati in the 09 Sussex, but got run down pretty easily by Canford Cliffs in the 2010 renewal. He won a very watered down renewel of the 09 QE II Stakes only to be beaten by an average at best Poet's Voice in the 2010 renewal. RVW won a quality renewal of the Juddmonte Internatonal, easily the best win of his career. But 3 weeks later Rip Van Winkle and Twice Over who'd finished 2nd behind Rip at York, both got galloped absolutely bowlegged at Leopardstown in the Irish Champion Stakes by Cape Blanco, and he took a bad drumming by Zenyatta, Gio Ponti, Twice Over and others at Santa Anita in the BC Classic. Rip Van Winkle was a good horse, but far from a great horse. Some of his Timeform numbers made him appear to be better than he really was, IMO.
He was and still is the best we've seen, not my favourite by any means but he proved himself unlike the likes of Frankel and Baaeed who kept to safe distances and home tracks down the road. STS was magnificent.
No. He's the only one. I think Sea The Stars' 3 year old season is the best by any horse ever. Broke the track record in the Juddemonte International Stakes as well
It is unlikely that what Sea The Stars achieved on the track will ever be repeated. One Group 1 win every month for 6 months including 2 Classics. Goodness knows what he'd have achieved as a 4 year old.
Pity it doesn't show his, for me, his greatest race. The Arc. For me he is the greatest over the distance. Not sure why Frankel is being mentioned in the comments, different distance horse, you may as well say Red Rum was better 😮 not that I'm having a go at Frankel. We were all lucky enough to live in moment that we had two truly great equine superstars at the same time.
I don't think any other horse has won 6 group 1s in a season. It looked like Paddington might do it this year but he got beaten. Often wonder what he might have done as a 4yro because the horses he beat went on to win big races.
Sea The Stars was basically the last big name horse of Mick Kinane's career as a jockey. I'm curious if Kinane ever said publicly or not if Sea The Stars was the best he ever rode, or did he think he'd been on a better horse or horses at some other point in his career?
Rather like Dancing Brave he was never tested on soft ground in any G1 race. They pulled him out of the Irish Derby knowing he would have got beaten. Truly great horses handle all ground conditions. It's best to compare him to Golden Horn, i think he's a little better than Golden Horn, but not by much.
You mean Frankel the champion 2, 3 and 4 year old who destroyed pretty much every horse he ran against and is the highest rated flat horse ever? Not Frankel's fault that his owner/trainer didn't take more risks with him but as a racehorse there were none that could match his power and long stride.
@@roberto4001000 many may agree with you but many will also say he was. I'm sure if you ask Frankie Dettori who the best he ever rode against he wouldn't hesitate in saying Frankel, likewise ask Aidan O'Brien and he would also agree Frankel, notice he tried battalions against Sea the Stars but didn't do the same against Frankel. So you Think being retired early summer when he was still a top 10f horse would indicate Coolmore weren't willing to risk his legacy against Frankel as they had a good idea what was going to happen if they did race him
@@roberto4001000 only after kamikaze tactics. Can you recall any other horse ridden after 3f in a group 1 over a mile actually winning. Thankfully connections wised up and never rode him like this again and that was the first and last time he was in danger of losing a race in his career.
@@Zarkava8 LOL. First of all, it was his first race, horses are green often and he was boxed out. If losing one race is so important, then 88 individual racehorses are better than Sea The Stars alone since 1980. LOL. Your logic, man.
@rexsahadeo, Yes a level below. Frankel's total winnings from fourteen races 2.7 million pounds. SeatheStars from 9 races 4.5 million pounds. Where were the better quality horses running? In the races with the most prize money. End of argument. Frankel not in in SeatheStars class at all.
Most over rated horse of all time. Delegator , Fame and Glory. Rip van Winkle , Mastercraftsmen and best of all Youmzain who did not win for four and a half years and it gave STS weight !!! Had Camelot won the Leger we would be waxing lyrical about an all time great when all it had beaten were dog shit which is all STS beat.
@@greeneclean9854 I am a fan of all racing and thus all top class horses. I dont like to slate horses but STS simply beat nothing and it was hard work beating some of them. Delegator couldnt even win a group three and the Youmzain form line is laughable.
@@simonchapman5560he can only beat what’s in front of him, surely it’s an achievement to win the races he did? Conduit was no pushover. Neither were Rip Van Winkle or Twice Over in my opinion.
All you clowns in the comments, frankel would have destroyed sea the stars without a shadow of a doubt, he didn’t travel anywhere for one cos he never needed too he was the champion and secondly his trainer Cecil was dying people forget these little facts. The horse was a freak and would have beat all opponents over the distances he ran, who knows what he would have done over 12f, sea the stars was very good but wasn’t frankel level no chance
Still for me Is the best horse I’ve ever seen, any trip, any country, any ground
Exactly! That's why hes better than Frankel!
@@middevilproved a lot more. Frankel was never truly tested and played safe, not going overseas.
That is exactly what I try to tell people, Frankel wasn't tested at all and didn't enter nearly as tough races
Totalmente de acuerdo con ustedes.
@@doolin-yu7cl How do you think he would have done hypothetically?
The best I ever seen no doubt , yes better than frankle
Of course STS was better, Frankel was mollycoddled and played it safe so we will just never know with Frankel, to be great you have to dare to dream...Frankel didn't....and he beat a substandard lot in average times...much as I loved watching his eye-catching displays....it hugely exaggerated his achievements as when really tested he could only beat Cirrus by a length and Nathaniel by a length...so there was his true form, can't rate him based on Excelebration and Bullet Train...his rating has to be based around Nathaniel and Cirrus...and Cirrus was ageing and had travelled to face him so I have no doubts Cirrus would have beaten him at home the year before.
Deluded
@@marttyler2569 hard to argue with fact isnt it. You're one of those emotional fans who spouts about subjective ratings and hyperbole. He beat the only 2 decent horses he faced....by a length.
@@marttyler2569 go way and look at arc , frankle never ran over 1m 4 f ,
@@ajvindiesel8517Well fact is he achieved a treble recognized greats have failed to do guinneas , English derby , arc. Fact is his times beat all the recognized greats on turf . One of the greats of all time.
Sea The Stars!! He was a great horse!! No he's not deceased, but he is certainly Legendary!! He has his ups and downs, as a racing champion!! He's been retired for a while and his off spring is bright and off to a good start!! He's 17 now and he is living his life, to the fullest!! I hope he had many more years to come!! The Racing Fans love you!! Sea The Stars, you are The Greatest!!
Legends Horse jockey and trainer. That Arc i will never forget
The commentary on that race was spine tingling. Amazing end to the career
I'll never forget Zarkava's Arc win, which was equally impressive as Sea The Stars was if not better, both beating Youmzain by the same distance.
@@Zarkava8Another great Arc for sure.
The Arc was the best display of all time
Beating Youmzain who did not win for four and a half years receiving weight is the best performance of all time ??? I think you should look at Pebbles Champion Stakes for starters and then Secretariats Belmont win which was THE best performance of all time by a mile.
Dancing Braves Arc was far better. An absolutely stacked field of top horses and he mows them down like a train. What a performance.
He was stuck on the rail behind wall of horses and won handy. Pure class.
@@simonchapman5560 Easy to win on drug back in the 70s. Also best performance is not measured in distance.
@@simonchapman5560 You can only beat what´s in the race. And except for the 2 pacemakers, every horse ran better or equal to RPS. Only one of two Group1 races in the past 20 years.
Magnificent horse but what about the jockey, just a genius
Top man ick kinane
I loved that horse. I couldnt believe what he done in his 3yo season. Kinane was a great jockey. And ofcourse good old Rip Van Winkle deservers an honourable mention I cheered him on in the eclipse but it wasnt to be, he was a consistent horse at the top level.
I would argue Mastercraftsman came closer to beating STS in the 09' Juddmonte International Stakes than Rip Van Winkle did in the Coral-Eclipse. RVW beat Paco Boy & Ghaanati in the 09 Sussex, but got run down pretty easily by Canford Cliffs in the 2010 renewal. He won a very watered down renewel of the 09 QE II Stakes only to be beaten by an average at best Poet's Voice in the 2010 renewal. RVW won a quality renewal of the Juddmonte Internatonal, easily the best win of his career. But 3 weeks later Rip Van Winkle and Twice Over who'd finished 2nd behind Rip at York, both got galloped absolutely bowlegged at Leopardstown in the Irish Champion Stakes by Cape Blanco, and he took a bad drumming by Zenyatta, Gio Ponti, Twice Over and others at Santa Anita in the BC Classic. Rip Van Winkle was a good horse, but far from a great horse. Some of his Timeform numbers made him appear to be better than he really was, IMO.
Besides Frankel the best in my lifetime and I’m 55 what a year he had at 3 all distances all goings a true legend
He is the ultimate, beautiful boy
I absolutely loved sea the stars , what a horse and what a jockey, mick kinane just let his horse do what he does best WIN.
He was and still is the best we've seen, not my favourite by any means but he proved himself unlike the likes of Frankel and Baaeed who kept to safe distances and home tracks down the road. STS was magnificent.
So was Zarkava, and she stayed unbeaten unlike Sea The Stars.
Super horse to say the least,his legacy continues still ❤loved how the commentator called mick Michael
Dessies call is like a song i knew all the words
Even after all these years
The best I ever seen
legend ❤
Dont forget mick kinane a class jockey got me out of trouble a few times
Yo ❤️a ese caballo.que hermosa creación la máxima belleza bendiciones
Best horse of all time
That Eclipse ride was absolutely inspirational
GREAT HORSE 🐎
a shining star
GOAT
What a racehorse,what a stallion.
What a horse.coolmore threw everything at him that year shrugged them off.the arc was unreal..and the great mick on board..
Guineas, Derby, Arc. Has any other horse achieved that treble?
No. He's the only one. I think Sea The Stars' 3 year old season is the best by any horse ever. Broke the track record in the Juddemonte International Stakes as well
I have seen many great horses run for the past 45years and the ones who is a shade better than all is euinox from japan
It is unlikely that what Sea The Stars achieved on the track will ever be repeated. One Group 1 win every month for 6 months including 2 Classics. Goodness knows what he'd have achieved as a 4 year old.
And to think he nearly didn't run in the 2000 guineas. Was sick a couple of weeks before it. My favourite flat horse of all time.
Pity it doesn't show his, for me, his greatest race. The Arc. For me he is the greatest over the distance. Not sure why Frankel is being mentioned in the comments, different distance horse, you may as well say Red Rum was better 😮 not that I'm having a go at Frankel. We were all lucky enough to live in moment that we had two truly great equine superstars at the same time.
You would had to add the "THE ARC" videos as well
This is the second Sea the Stars vid the other one a few weeks ago had the Arc. They are just hi lighting great horses.
We don't own the broadcasting rights mate
@@RacingTVPlease show the great Zarkava winning the Arc?
I don't think any other horse has won 6 group 1s in a season. It looked like Paddington might do it this year but he got beaten. Often wonder what he might have done as a 4yro because the horses he beat went on to win big races.
The best there ever was
Another Dancing Brave
Sea The Stars was basically the last big name horse of Mick Kinane's career as a jockey. I'm curious if Kinane ever said publicly or not if Sea The Stars was the best he ever rode, or did he think he'd been on a better horse or horses at some other point in his career?
He's said it plenty of times that he was the best.. Mick said in a race with frankel he wouldn't get off his fella...
Frankel not eaven close to sea the stars he went all over the world Frankel was only in England
Sea the stars greatest more than frankel
Think he would have won the ledger as well a true Great
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Been beaten though
Sea The Stars 6
Aidan O'Brien 0
Would beat Frankel at 200m +
Rather like Dancing Brave he was never tested on soft ground in any G1 race. They pulled him out of the Irish Derby knowing he would have got beaten. Truly great horses handle all ground conditions. It's best to compare him to Golden Horn, i think he's a little better than Golden Horn, but not by much.
Frankel would beat delegator 10 length lol
Ballydoyle got embarrassed again and again by Sea the stars
A real champion unlike fwankel
You mean Frankel the champion 2, 3 and 4 year old who destroyed pretty much every horse he ran against and is the highest rated flat horse ever? Not Frankel's fault that his owner/trainer didn't take more risks with him but as a racehorse there were none that could match his power and long stride.
@@frankelforever14 He's not the best matey, many agree with me ....Timeform means zilch it's just a Henry Cecil emotional rating .
@@roberto4001000 many may agree with you but many will also say he was. I'm sure if you ask Frankie Dettori who the best he ever rode against he wouldn't hesitate in saying Frankel, likewise ask Aidan O'Brien and he would also agree Frankel, notice he tried battalions against Sea the Stars but didn't do the same against Frankel. So you Think being retired early summer when he was still a top 10f horse would indicate Coolmore weren't willing to risk his legacy against Frankel as they had a good idea what was going to happen if they did race him
@@frankelforever14 Zoffany nearly chinned Frankel matey, the bang average Zoffany .
@@roberto4001000 only after kamikaze tactics. Can you recall any other horse ridden after 3f in a group 1 over a mile actually winning. Thankfully connections wised up and never rode him like this again and that was the first and last time he was in danger of losing a race in his career.
Sea the stars is great but Frankel was on another level
in what way ?
Bull…shit
@@greeneclean9854Frankel never lost, Sea The Stars did. Big difference.
@@Zarkava8 LOL. First of all, it was his first race, horses are green often and he was boxed out. If losing one race is so important, then 88 individual racehorses are better than Sea The Stars alone since 1980. LOL. Your logic, man.
@rexsahadeo, Yes a level below. Frankel's total winnings from fourteen races 2.7 million pounds. SeatheStars from 9 races 4.5 million pounds. Where were the better quality horses running? In the races with the most prize money. End of argument. Frankel not in in SeatheStars class at all.
Pity him and new approach never raced ..ida took new approach to do sts in
Put down the crack pipe dude .
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Are you high?😂. New Approach is like a lead up Pony compared to STS. Jesus😂😂
Zarkava vs Sea The Stars would've been the ultimate Arc? Zarkava's turn of foot proving too strong for him. 😀
Most over rated horse of all time. Delegator , Fame and Glory. Rip van Winkle , Mastercraftsmen and best of all Youmzain who did not win for four and a half years and it gave STS weight !!! Had Camelot won the Leger we would be waxing lyrical about an all time great when all it had beaten were dog shit which is all STS beat.
Put down the crack pipe dude .
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why Mr Chapman are you a frankle fan ? 🤔
@@greeneclean9854 I am a fan of all racing and thus all top class horses. I dont like to slate horses but STS simply beat nothing and it was hard work beating some of them. Delegator couldnt even win a group three and the Youmzain form line is laughable.
@@simonchapman5560he can only beat what’s in front of him, surely it’s an achievement to win the races he did? Conduit was no pushover. Neither were Rip Van Winkle or Twice Over in my opinion.
Yes 1 best hoorses a true champion a star
All you clowns in the comments, frankel would have destroyed sea the stars without a shadow of a doubt, he didn’t travel anywhere for one cos he never needed too he was the champion and secondly his trainer Cecil was dying people forget these little facts.
The horse was a freak and would have beat all opponents over the distances he ran, who knows what he would have done over 12f, sea the stars was very good but wasn’t frankel level no chance