THank you. I found this very informational. I've been using plug-ins to date (I know:-) ), but I had always wanted an analogue. This has helped me conclude which I should get for my start of this journey. Much love from Malaysia.
Yeah, also not 100% clear on whether the filter is analogue or digital with them... ! ( I've heard people say other Behringer synths sound to have digital filters even when those synths definitely are analogue, cheaper made filters sound to step in a digital way) I'd definitely recommend the 12 to anyone who was wondering, but the 6 is still just great, like you say, especially for the money.
@@Studio-solutions-com I'm trying to decide between the two. I almost want the 6 just from the affordability standpoint so that I could also get something like a Korg Minilogue XD. I have a Monologue and Mininova currently but want a bigger, more robust poly. Also wish I could get a Polivoks!
@@oldowl4290 Aaaah don't we all! Lol You certainly wouldn't be disappointed by the 6..! You'll always be wondering about whether you shouldn't have got the 12 though... 😉 But unless you're really pushing it hard for max voice polyphony then it still just sounds amazing!
@@Studio-solutions-com exactly where I've been with my D6...always wondering if I should've gone D12. Still by far one of the best Behringer synths they've ever put out, never heard anyone say a bad word about it, wish they'd do more like this or an updated version with added functionality.
I've just bought the 6 from Thomann, yesterday, cost me £345...the 12 was nearly £500...big difference than a couple of quid. 🤣🤣 And also one that caught me out was you have to pay courier fees and import duty on anything over £135 now.... So when my 6 comes on Monday I have to shell out another £71 import duty, and £11 courier fees... Thats what you get for voting out of Europe people... No such thing as free shipping from Thomann anymore, unless its under 135.
Hey David, I had this with my last Thomann order...! UPS emailed me to say they had it in their warehouse in Dusseldorf and wanted another £70 plus handling before they'd release it... even then it took a month to get here...! Hmmm.... perhaps a few quid rather than a couple... lol
@@Studio-solutions-com Yes it's so different now, before it was free postage.. Since we came out of europe it's all gone... It cost me £94 more... Parcel force had my keyboard in Carlisle but wouldn't release until I paid... Scandalous... I bet thomman loses a lot of business now from the uk.. Under £130 and you are fine.
yup. I was trying to convince someone who was opting for the minilogue xd over deepmind 12 that they'd never get the same pads but they wouldn't listen convinced that they would just multi-track them. minilogue (xd) is a great synth, but there are a ton on monos and even four voice polys. Never mind that you really need a minimum of 5 note poly to do anything approaching complex chords, you need at least double that to avoid note stealing. I could do with a 10 voice, but 12 voice gives some wiggle room at add another note and avoid note stealing. and, if you go for a note-heavy 7 note chord, when you move to next chord the note stealing is there, but harder to notice, so you CAN get away with 7-note chords. there is nothing analog like the 12(D) at that price point.
Depends what you're trying to do. If you're putting in pads in a modern pop track, the XD will sit in the mix perfectly. On the other hand people have had some serious issues getting the DM12 to sit well in a similar mix. But if you're looking for an 80s sound that stands out in a mix, or for something sound design-ey that fits into a film score, the DM12 is a good choice. Horses for courses.
@@nads5907 “sit in the mix” is just a matter of eq most times. And a 12 voice is intrinsically going to sit differently than a 4 voice, taking up more bands by its very nature, with people having limited experience sitting a 12 voice, and so naturally having more difficulty with it. That’s my direct experience owning both a DM12D and Minilogue OG. But yes, agreed , both Minilogues sound more “modern” and the D12 sounds more “vintage”. Having said that, your assertion doesn’t counter the note stealing issue of a 4 voice which isn’t simply a different strokes problem.
@@alexwestconsulting Thanks for your feedback. All very interesting and much appreciated. Well, I suppose you can't solve the XD voice problem in a live context, but you can stack voices in your DAW if you're looking for a bigger sound. A question for you. DeepMind 12 or 6? After all the Deep Mind is based on the Juno 106, which seems to have done rather a good job with 6 voices. In other words, are we being greedy for more voices, or is there really something to be gained from the 12? Penny for your thoughts.
@@nads5907 So yes, first thing, if you are ok working with a 4 voice in daw you can multitrack your pads to solve much of the note stealing, but are you really going to? And a 4 voice is still going to give you more grief than you'd like if your pads have any movement/note flourishes or you use complex chords, especially if you also have a bass note (or 2). I'd say that that most people who buy outboard gear are wanting to play "live", even if this only means running the entire sequence in your studio to yourself. Daw tricks can save a production, but they are also a drag. My experience (and the video uploaders) is that moving from a 4 voice to 6 voice and finally to 12 voice is a eureka moment where all the headaches go away. 12 is just the magic number really. 6 was OG and they seemed to get by, but did they really? The new Juno-X is 256 note poly, and I've seen countless demos where they really max out the poly, way beyond 6. I maintain that 6 was always limiting, just that people accepted it for what it was, though at least they could do some complex chords, not possible on a 4 voice. I really do think that 12 voice is the min so you can do complex chords and not worry so much about note stealing in transitions. Having said that, my next synth is going to be a 5 note poly Take 5, so i'm not dead set against limited polyphony, but that's also because I have at least on synth in my arsenal that can cover more demanding poly tasks when needed.
Seven years after the DM12 hit the market and I still haven't found a decent tutorial of how to make the classic "Jarre Laser harp" patch. Plenty of instructions concerning other synths, but not the DM12.. Can you shed some light on why is that? Even better, would you please consider being the first man on the youtube universe that will solve this curiosity? Thanks in advance for your time
Hey JJ! Did you already see the laser harp tutorial on the Oberheim on YT? That probably translates best for the DM12 I think? Or there's a really cool tutorial that @Avrilcadabra has for the Behringer Neutron if you have any semi modulars?
Hi krs! I just bought the deepmind 6 and noticed when scrolling through the preset patches some of them just start to play without touching the keybed. Is there a setting in the menu to stop this? And 1 more question please, how do you set the clock in via midi so i can send midi clock out from my alesis sr16 drum machine to control the arpeggiator with the alesis. Thanks!
Hey Marco, set the Deepmind Clock Source to either Auto or Ext (external) and it should then respond to incoming clock from your Alesis... With regard your other issue do you still have the arpegiator button latched on? As this would cause them to auto play??? Let me know if this helps??
Hey Marco, these are Buchla replacement caps, unfortunately they were on it when I bought this one! I have seen these around before though so Googling Buchla Caps should throw up the best results for you for near where you are?
@@Studio-solutions-com Hi!! I ordered the caps, now the synth looks much nicer in my eyes. Also, with several colors, it's clearer to work... many thanks!!
@@99marco Hey Marco! That's fantastic my friend, I am so happy that you found some that you like and that they're so beneficial too, that's just great! Colour coding the sections must be a great help 😀
@@mrdyer1006 man I swear the price has gone up!! Wtf?!? I'd keep an eye out for bargains on Marketplace or ebay... I paid under £400 for my 12D on ebay, it came with the rack its in and spare ears and knobs... the seller was just great. Sometimes secondhand gear really pays off!
@@Studio-solutions-com yeah. im already considering going second hand! ive never had an analog synth but i also am a gigging musician not a beginner, really need those full chords for it to be worth it. thanks for the great vid
@@Studio-solutions-com Yeah it’s musictribe indeed.. only thing I noticed back then were wobbly faders.. is that something you experience too? Was a showroom model in the store
@@Expectaz I heard people report on this on a few early models but it's not something I've ever noticed? In fact, on the 12D I just bought the faders have had Buchla style caps fitted and if anything the faders seem pretty damn tight! Lol
I bought a secondhand Deepmind 12 a couple of days ago and it seems that I have to raise the filter cutoff frequency for most of the preset patches before they sound as you would expect them to. It's like somewhere along the line Behringer made some firmware adjustments or something and these were out of whack with the presets.
@@Studio-solutions-com I have done a full recalibration. It's not a particularly serious issue as I always modify presets. I just wondered if you had experienced anything similar.
@@Studio-solutions-com There is nothing wrong with the synth. The problem is that the default state of many of the factory patches is with the filter cutoff set at zero so you can't really get any idea of how the patch is supposed to sound until you open up the filter. This becomes a problem when you want to save a patch that you've created and are looking for a slot to overwrite because when you use the compare function you hear the destination patch in its default state (which is often with filter closed) and the compare function won't allow you to adjust the cutoff to hear if it's a sound worth keeping. I suppose you could go through every patch and save them all in an open-filter state but it's a bit of a pain in the arse.
Surely the dealers are noticing people buying two 6's instead?? How come there's such a difference in price? Does the 12 trigger an inflated import tax??
Hey man, can you tell me why the DM6, when you were playing 3 notes, was using all 6 voices? I thought it was one voice per note? Or is it one voice per oscillator?
I do not uderstand... acording to behringuer page it has keys.. and then in your video I see one with keys and another on the rack with no keys,,... I am confused.
@@Studio-solutions-com Ok. why would any persona have both?. if it is the same....I do not understand the logic or the advantages of having two synths that are the same.
@@InkyDaCaT usual found bargain...! Came with that 10U rack thrown in for £400...! I've always really liked the sound of the DM6, the 12 is just much more than I expected though 😳😅🙃
The price differential has never justified buying the 6 voice version. I buy 12s used all the time. If 6s were below $400 it might be worth it to use as a killer monosynth for bass and leads. I see 12Ds going for $500+/- and 12s going for ~$600+. Save your duckets and buy a 12 for a little more. Best analog polysynth for the money designed in the last 10 years.
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THank you. I found this very informational. I've been using plug-ins to date (I know:-) ), but I had always wanted an analogue. This has helped me conclude which I should get for my start of this journey. Much love from Malaysia.
Hey, many thanks!! Then I think it woupd perfect for you! Enjoy your journey!! 😀
@@Studio-solutions-com Thank you for your kind words. Can't wait to check out your other vidz. Peace.
@@cglittle683 much appreciated! Let me know how you get on with using hardware!!
Very useful. The cutoff differences in the 6 were definitely noticeable and arguably a little annoying. But size and money are always factors too.
Yeah, also not 100% clear on whether the filter is analogue or digital with them... !
( I've heard people say other Behringer synths sound to have digital filters even when those synths definitely are analogue, cheaper made filters sound to step in a digital way)
I'd definitely recommend the 12 to anyone who was wondering, but the 6 is still just great, like you say, especially for the money.
@@Studio-solutions-com I'm trying to decide between the two. I almost want the 6 just from the affordability standpoint so that I could also get something like a Korg Minilogue XD. I have a Monologue and Mininova currently but want a bigger, more robust poly. Also wish I could get a Polivoks!
@@oldowl4290 Aaaah don't we all! Lol
You certainly wouldn't be disappointed by the 6..! You'll always be wondering about whether you shouldn't have got the 12 though... 😉 But unless you're really pushing it hard for max voice polyphony then it still just sounds amazing!
@@Studio-solutions-com exactly where I've been with my D6...always wondering if I should've gone D12. Still by far one of the best Behringer synths they've ever put out, never heard anyone say a bad word about it, wish they'd do more like this or an updated version with added functionality.
Great video!
Always like comparison videos.
Thanks Rogier! There wasn't a comparison of voices available when I was looking at buying the Deepmind 12D recently...!
@@Studio-solutions-com so you just filled in the gap!
👌🏽💪🏽✌🏽
@@theMIDImaniac always my favourite way to make videos! If I'm looking for info and not finding it then so are others! Lol
@@Studio-solutions-com I'm familiar with that concept of thinking! Nice work!
I sold my 6 as it kept running out of voices. It’s 12 all the way.
But what will you do when the 12 runs out!! Lol. I'm glad you're enjoying it 😀
@@Studio-solutions-com buy another 12 and polychain them together. Haha
@@Riktenstein Haha!! Yes!!
I'm tempted to rack up the Hydrasynth with the DM12 though to see how it sounds with a digital layer..!
Great video and explanation. I am sold. :)
So glad it helped to swing it in your favour!!
I've just bought the 6 from Thomann, yesterday, cost me £345...the 12 was nearly £500...big difference than a couple of quid. 🤣🤣 And also one that caught me out was you have to pay courier fees and import duty on anything over £135 now.... So when my 6 comes on Monday I have to shell out another £71 import duty, and £11 courier fees... Thats what you get for voting out of Europe people... No such thing as free shipping from Thomann anymore, unless its under 135.
Hey David, I had this with my last Thomann order...! UPS emailed me to say they had it in their warehouse in Dusseldorf and wanted another £70 plus handling before they'd release it... even then it took a month to get here...!
Hmmm.... perhaps a few quid rather than a couple... lol
@@Studio-solutions-com Yes it's so different now, before it was free postage.. Since we came out of europe it's all gone... It cost me £94 more... Parcel force had my keyboard in Carlisle but wouldn't release until I paid... Scandalous... I bet thomman loses a lot of business now from the uk.. Under £130 and you are fine.
@@davidjones6218 it feels like being held to ransome!
yup. I was trying to convince someone who was opting for the minilogue xd over deepmind 12 that they'd never get the same pads but they wouldn't listen convinced that they would just multi-track them. minilogue (xd) is a great synth, but there are a ton on monos and even four voice polys. Never mind that you really need a minimum of 5 note poly to do anything approaching complex chords, you need at least double that to avoid note stealing. I could do with a 10 voice, but 12 voice gives some wiggle room at add another note and avoid note stealing. and, if you go for a note-heavy 7 note chord, when you move to next chord the note stealing is there, but harder to notice, so you CAN get away with 7-note chords. there is nothing analog like the 12(D) at that price point.
100% Alex, you hit the nail on the head...!
There's no real competition for the Deepmind in that price band at all..
Depends what you're trying to do. If you're putting in pads in a modern pop track, the XD will sit in the mix perfectly. On the other hand people have had some serious issues getting the DM12 to sit well in a similar mix. But if you're looking for an 80s sound that stands out in a mix, or for something sound design-ey that fits into a film score, the DM12 is a good choice.
Horses for courses.
@@nads5907 “sit in the mix” is just a matter of eq most times. And a 12 voice is intrinsically going to sit differently than a 4 voice, taking up more bands by its very nature, with people having limited experience sitting a 12 voice, and so naturally having more difficulty with it. That’s my direct experience owning both a DM12D and Minilogue OG. But yes, agreed , both Minilogues sound more “modern” and the D12 sounds more “vintage”. Having said that, your assertion doesn’t counter the note stealing issue of a 4 voice which isn’t simply a different strokes problem.
@@alexwestconsulting Thanks for your feedback. All very interesting and much appreciated. Well, I suppose you can't solve the XD voice problem in a live context, but you can stack voices in your DAW if you're looking for a bigger sound.
A question for you. DeepMind 12 or 6? After all the Deep Mind is based on the Juno 106, which seems to have done rather a good job with 6 voices. In other words, are we being greedy for more voices, or is there really something to be gained from the 12? Penny for your thoughts.
@@nads5907 So yes, first thing, if you are ok working with a 4 voice in daw you can multitrack your pads to solve much of the note stealing, but are you really going to? And a 4 voice is still going to give you more grief than you'd like if your pads have any movement/note flourishes or you use complex chords, especially if you also have a bass note (or 2). I'd say that that most people who buy outboard gear are wanting to play "live", even if this only means running the entire sequence in your studio to yourself. Daw tricks can save a production, but they are also a drag. My experience (and the video uploaders) is that moving from a 4 voice to 6 voice and finally to 12 voice is a eureka moment where all the headaches go away. 12 is just the magic number really. 6 was OG and they seemed to get by, but did they really? The new Juno-X is 256 note poly, and I've seen countless demos where they really max out the poly, way beyond 6. I maintain that 6 was always limiting, just that people accepted it for what it was, though at least they could do some complex chords, not possible on a 4 voice. I really do think that 12 voice is the min so you can do complex chords and not worry so much about note stealing in transitions. Having said that, my next synth is going to be a 5 note poly Take 5, so i'm not dead set against limited polyphony, but that's also because I have at least on synth in my arsenal that can cover more demanding poly tasks when needed.
Seven years after the DM12 hit the market and I still haven't found a decent tutorial of how to make the classic "Jarre Laser harp" patch. Plenty of instructions concerning other synths, but not the DM12.. Can you shed some light on why is that? Even better, would you please consider being the first man on the youtube universe that will solve this curiosity? Thanks in advance for your time
Hey JJ! Did you already see the laser harp tutorial on the Oberheim on YT? That probably translates best for the DM12 I think? Or there's a really cool tutorial that @Avrilcadabra has for the Behringer Neutron if you have any semi modulars?
Muchas gracias ❤ saludos desde Perú!
Thanks!
Awesome matey enjoyed that ... love the DM12 Desktop... I’m a happy Fox 🦊😎✌️🙏
Hey Foxy!! I'm loving it too... thanks mate!! 😊🙏😊
Oh nice!!! Need the 6! Also the Hydrasynth!!!!!
They're both a LOT of fun and so easy to lose hours inside once you dive into them...! Love them both in so many different ways!!
Hi krs! I just bought the deepmind 6 and noticed when scrolling through the preset patches some of them just start to play without touching the keybed. Is there a setting in the menu to stop this? And 1 more question please, how do you set the clock in via midi so i can send midi clock out from my alesis sr16 drum machine to control the arpeggiator with the alesis. Thanks!
Hey Marco, set the Deepmind Clock Source to either Auto or Ext (external) and it should then respond to incoming clock from your Alesis...
With regard your other issue do you still have the arpegiator button latched on? As this would cause them to auto play???
Let me know if this helps??
@@Studio-solutions-com okay thanks. Will let you know.
Hi krs-t, where did you find the rubber caps for the sliders? Like this the synth looks much nicer… thanks for this video, very useful!
Hey Marco, these are Buchla replacement caps, unfortunately they were on it when I bought this one! I have seen these around before though so Googling Buchla Caps should throw up the best results for you for near where you are?
@@Studio-solutions-com many thanks! I'm in Berlin... Let's see what I find!
@@99marco You should find plenty! Let me know what you come up with!!
@@Studio-solutions-com Hi!! I ordered the caps, now the synth looks much nicer in my eyes. Also, with several colors, it's clearer to work... many thanks!!
@@99marco Hey Marco! That's fantastic my friend, I am so happy that you found some that you like and that they're so beneficial too, that's just great!
Colour coding the sections must be a great help 😀
$499 for the 6 vs $879 for the 12, man i was hoping youd convince me the 6 was fine. but i cant have that voice stealing.
Oh wow! I'd definitely wait for the sales...
Where are those prices??
@@Studio-solutions-com looks like the 6 is on sale right now for $499 . This is the sweetwater price
But the 12 isn’t on any sale!
@@mrdyer1006 man I swear the price has gone up!! Wtf?!?
I'd keep an eye out for bargains on Marketplace or ebay...
I paid under £400 for my 12D on ebay, it came with the rack its in and spare ears and knobs... the seller was just great. Sometimes secondhand gear really pays off!
@@Studio-solutions-com yeah. im already considering going second hand! ive never had an analog synth but i also am a gigging musician not a beginner, really need those full chords for it to be worth it. thanks for the great vid
@@mrdyer1006 yeah, it'd make the difference gigging... or a 6 and a reverb pedal lol
Thanks Jordan, glad it's helped!
I ordered the 6 for now. I have 30 days to return. If i can get the extra money im going to exchange it for the 12.
Hey ! Where did you find these beautiful CS-80 knobs ? :)
They were already on there when I bought it used..! I think they may be replacement Synthi slider caps??
Thanks a lot for the video. Do you know if the 6 works with the ipad app via usb? (once it doenst have wifi)...
Hey, thanks!! I believe so, but I may be wrong as I've never tried it!!
Thanks anyway! I've seen your system 1 on the wall, I'm also crazy about this synth! @@Studio-solutions-com
@@fishtage it took me a while to find the love it deserves for it, but it really is a great synth!
hey should I get a Deepmind 12 for a Roland DS ?
Seems a great synth!
They're pretty good Joris... incredible numbers of mod sources and destinations!
@@Studio-solutions-com Played with it once :) Aren’t the effects from TC Electronic?
Yep, a mix of TC and Klark Teknik, both owned now by Musictribe I believe?? They sound awesome!
@@Studio-solutions-com Yeah it’s musictribe indeed.. only thing I noticed back then were wobbly faders.. is that something you experience too? Was a showroom model in the store
@@Expectaz I heard people report on this on a few early models but it's not something I've ever noticed? In fact, on the 12D I just bought the faders have had Buchla style caps fitted and if anything the faders seem pretty damn tight! Lol
I bought a secondhand Deepmind 12 a couple of days ago and it seems that I have to raise the filter cutoff frequency for most of the preset patches before they sound as you would expect them to. It's like somewhere along the line Behringer made some firmware adjustments or something and these were out of whack with the presets.
Have you tried running an update?
@@Studio-solutions-com I have done a full recalibration. It's not a particularly serious issue as I always modify presets. I just wondered if you had experienced anything similar.
@@sidefish8362 not that I've ever really noticed?? Have you been able to compare it side by side with another one at all??
@@Studio-solutions-com There is nothing wrong with the synth. The problem is that the default state of many of the factory patches is with the filter cutoff set at zero so you can't really get any idea of how the patch is supposed to sound until you open up the filter. This becomes a problem when you want to save a patch that you've created and are looking for a slot to overwrite because when you use the compare function you hear the destination patch in its default state (which is often with filter closed) and the compare function won't allow you to adjust the cutoff to hear if it's a sound worth keeping. I suppose you could go through every patch and save them all in an open-filter state but it's a bit of a pain in the arse.
I think is subjective in ur case.. is quite common for older adults to have high-frequency hearing loss
In south Africa the 12 costs more that double what the 6 is going for.
Surely the dealers are noticing people buying two 6's instead?? How come there's such a difference in price? Does the 12 trigger an inflated import tax??
Hey man, can you tell me why the DM6, when you were playing 3 notes, was using all 6 voices? I thought it was one voice per note? Or is it one voice per oscillator?
Ahhhh, nope, it depends on the patch, itcan use multiple voices per note!
@@Studio-solutions-com oh I see. So for most pad chords which might have 4-5 notes in them, would you recommend dm6 or 12?
could i use my minibeute 2 keys with deepmind 12 desktop...sorry im a newbie
Hi Daz, yes of course, just set on the same midi channel and it should work straight away, if not let me know!
I do not uderstand... acording to behringuer page it has keys.. and then in your video I see one with keys and another on the rack with no keys,,... I am confused.
They come in a Desktop model too which has no keys!
@@Studio-solutions-com Ok. why would any persona have both?. if it is the same....I do not understand the logic or the advantages of having two synths that are the same.
@@Amatteus in my case, they are not the same... my version with keys is a Deepmind 6, whilst the Desktop module which I have racked is a Deepmind 12.
@@Studio-solutions-com Ok. now i understand. I see. Thank you very much.
@@Studio-solutions-com 12 voices mean 12 notes at the same time? So pressing 12 keys at the same time?
are the standalone analog behringer synths like the PolyD, monopoly, CAT, k-2 etc etc Worth buying? Or can the Deepmind do pretty much all of it?
Hi Levi, whilst the Deepmind is a totally capable synth I still think it would worth pairing it with a dedicated mono-synth too!
i have a D6 paired up with a Korg Volca Bass and its great for little acid jams, but i soon will invest in a D12 to make a whopping D18
12D if you can manage the extra is bargin.
Two weeks ahead of you... its pretty impressive!!!
@@Studio-solutions-com great purchase😁🙌
@@InkyDaCaT usual found bargain...! Came with that 10U rack thrown in for £400...! I've always really liked the sound of the DM6, the 12 is just much more than I expected though 😳😅🙃
@@Studio-solutions-com Bargin of century!!!!!
@@InkyDaCaT tha can tek a man owta Yorkshire, but tha'll ne'er tek t'yorkshire owta t'man... 🤔😉🤣🤣🤣
The price differential has never justified buying the 6 voice version. I buy 12s used all the time. If 6s were below $400 it might be worth it to use as a killer monosynth for bass and leads. I see 12Ds going for $500+/- and 12s going for ~$600+. Save your duckets and buy a 12 for a little more. Best analog polysynth for the money designed in the last 10 years.
Without a doubt!
Silence of the lamb?
Which bit???
Claaaaarice!