NO MORE CUDDLING IN THE ROYAL RUMBLE NO MORE CUDDLING IN THE ROYAL RUMBLE NO MORE CUDDLING IN THE RO
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- NO MORE CUDDLING IN THE ROYAL RUMBLE NO MORE CUDDLING IN THE ROYAL RUMBLE NO MORE CUDDLING IN THE ROYAL RUMBLE NO MORE CUDDLING IN THE ROYAL RUMBLE NO MORE CUDDLING IN THE ROYAL RUMBLE NO MORE CUDDLING IN THE ROYAL RUMBLE NO MORE CUDDLING IN THE ROYAL RUMBLE NO MORE CUDDLING IN THE ROYAL RUMBLE
I love your wrestling content. Always happy to hear your takes on what’s going on. Mania is gonna need a longer breakdown
As someone who's been in a few 'Rumbles on the indies, the only direction/planning given or come up with backstage was:
1. Who/if you're going to eliminate
2. Who/how you'll be eliminated (more importantly when)
3. A spot (maybe two) you'll do when you enter
Usually when you first get in guys will let you get some heat, take some bumps or just make you look strong/fresh. There's (at least in my cases) a lot of freedom. I normally would go at one specific person, which could also set up matches in the future, since I was never booked to win a rumble.
The last ten seconds of this is pure gold and will be repeated for years....
wouldn't be surprised if someone actually made a remix song out of them
I wanted to see Tony D'Angelo come in and bribe a bunch of guys to eliminate themselves. I mean, he's a mob boss character, right? Makes sense for him to pull that kind of thing.
I wish there were more interconnecting micro-storylines flowing within the Rumble. Rather than have guys cuddle, give every character an individual strategy and in-match arc, and then build the “background stuff” around those individual strategies and arcs colliding. Like yes, improv is great and a huge part of wrestling, but it just feels like so many people go into the match with no plan other than the generic “imma half heartedly tug at someone in the corner for a bit”
Occasionally there are. That's what makes the corner humping so frustrating
One of my favorite ones is from the 2018 Rumble when everybody kept beating the shit out of Heath Slater until Sheamus came out and threw him in only to be immediately eliminated BY Heath Slater.
That's why the 1992 Rumble is the best ever. Yeah the story was Flair but it involved everyone, working with friends and reluctantly working with enemies. Sure, Heenan's commentary just increased it but seeing him and Piper working together and Heenan saying "It's not a skirt, it's a kilt" then saying the opposite when Piper turned on Flair was everything. The one time the Rumble felt like what it should be, friends and enemies working together when it helps themselves out for a common goal.
Yes! Sabu bringing weapons to the ring was awesome in that Rumble. Speaking of Gargano, man what a huge mistake returning with his booking.
I think he's more referring to when raven did it in the 2000s rumble
@@Y2Jerms I know which one he was referencing with Raven’s cart, but the most recent time was Sabu just grabbing a chair and table.
@@DanV900 let's not forget what happened to Finley that one time
Some good points. What I'd want to see more is sneaky heels trying to be tactical and avoiding being in the ring instead of staying there for the rests, arguing with refs telling them to go back in. Its harder to coordinate but even one can provide valuable distraction from the shit that's going on in the corners. Or guys could rest actively tying guys down for example to keep known tag team dudes separated when one is doing a spot with someone, that's three guys for one corner rest for a reason. A few all around weapon wipeout spots would indeed give more sensible rest spots but not too many, I'm sick of the word "kendo stick" already.
I totally agree. THERE SHOULD BE DUDES ALL OVER THE PLACE!!!
Ideally the RR should be like 90% carefully planned and coreographed, however that would require all the involved wrestlers to start rehearsing as soon as the previous Rumble ended, which would mean not rehearsing for any other PPV, and they already suffer from lack of creativity (probably because there are way too many PPVs already).
Therefore it should be heavily centered on personal feuds just like it's been already said, which would eventually spill into other competitors' struggles in the whole event.
The Royal Rumble can't by design be the resolution of any feud, but it can be the catalyst for many new ones, or the transitioning chapter between one stage of a pre-established feud to the next, more intense one.
@@RazorFangs90 You can never rely on a plan 100%, plans got a habit to breaking at some element. A lot of Rumble is improv and patching for mistakes that happened. Like Kofi splatting his head on the announcers table.
And its not the first RR to have weak spots but this one had such an abundance of corner sleepers.
RR doesnt have to be perfect but tweaked better.
@@ydin9 well, i wanna say part of the reason why things go south is specifically because they are less prepared than they could be, on the other hand, a bad spot is always behind the corner.
But that's why i stressed out why it's even more specifically important to put it on a feud/angle perspective, without shying away of mixing them as well, after all it's a royal rumble.
And yes, weapons would help immensely.
You just want to cuddle, Max! Don’t lie! 😂 Great thoughts, though! I hope with HHH in charge for a full year (hopefully) next year’s Rumble will see some payoff in that regard.
The real issue is to many of them are scared of taking the attention away from whoever is on the spot cam, this didn't use to be an issue because all of them where selling for the in attendance crowd, so it was a lot of stuff going on, people laying around and half assing stuff is a modern issue and it's fucking weird.
I love these kinds of videos. While I don't watch much wrestling currently, I'll always be a fan. These little asides are fun. Hope to see more like this! Cheers!
I get your points, but we do not need more furniture.
Aww, I thought this would be about The New Day playing grab ass instead of trying to win. Demolition entered 1 and 2 one year and beat the hell out of each other before working together when more people entered, Kofi and Xavier literally played with each other's ass. And people wonder why tag team wrestling is pretty much dead.
I agree with you.
Thats always why I've realized they've started kinda overdoing the number 1 entrant wins trope now. Like in kayfabe I'd rather be number 1 I know majority of it I just gotta hold out and dudes will just half heartedly shake me in the corner and I'll win. I'm tired of that or the uh oh you thought I was eliminated but I went through the second rope and I'm gonna throw you over while you're celebrating bit of nearly every battle royale or royal rumble.
It was shocking to me when I was watching a CM punk interview where he said he asked cody rhodes back in 2008 what his spot was going to be after his entrance and he had no idea what he was going to do. If youre not one of the stars its like you have no agency and are basically a cuddle mannequin. It seems like such an entertaining idea for a spectacle that could have almost infinite spots is being poisoned by the fact that its in the form of wrestling and someone always needs to get over. Cant have a young heel come in with 1 bat and start battering everyone because then the mid carders will need to top that and so forth.
Nah, fr. Max spittin in this one.
These guys are in there, wrestling for like an hour straight. Let them enjoy their little naps. They've earned them.
It's a bit better when they are honest about it 'in character.' I got a chuckle out of seeing Rhea Ripley scrambled to the corner and wrap herself around the bottom rope in between spots. "I'm a heel and I'm being cowardly right now"
Yeah! I want way more of these!!!
Would quite like to see some other Wrestlers done in the Wrestliny isn't wrestling style
Dustin rhodes maybe
Seth Rollins was doing a lot of cool throwaway moves though
Plot points? What do you mean plot points? Why would there be plot points in a fight for life and death?!
Lol! It's true. I've been saying that for years though...
See this is the kind of thing I'm talking about in the comment I just wrote on that other wrestling video
Agreed, but I'll go one further. The 'get eliminated then be mad about it and eliminate someone for revenge' spot. FUCK THAT. If you are eliminated you no longer have agency in the match. If that is cool why not just get your mates to do a run in at the last three, chuck everyone out and yay you won?
"I understand why..." still wonders why. It's like a play dude you ain't meant to watch that part. But you're just being problematic.
No, they're just being lazy. Don't resort to ad hominems; there are rumbles that have been booked with continuous action the entire time. If it's possible, they should be doing it every time. They're the number one company in the world. You don't see this shit at the A list broadway plays or in the A list movies, it shouldn't be in wrestling, period.
You have 30 people in a match and over an hour to play with, that should be the easiest shit in the world to book to never not have something exciting going on. I can see putting a comedy guy in between 15-20 to give a rest to the workers and fans but think about it, 20-30 years ago you could put 2 guys in there for a 60 min Broadway and they'd have less restholds than modern rumbles and keep the fans on the edge of their seats.
And while we're at it, can they stop doing that dumb transitional "irish whip off the ropes then bend down for a back body drop(?) but instead get kicked in the face" reversal spot that is in literally every single match?
Ref didn’t allow Xia Li to use her weapon.
BUT ELIAS WAS ALLOWED? SEXISM OR RACISM: YOU DECIDE
@@Uptomyknees Real tough guy, taking the little Chinese lady's staff, but when a big dude rolls in with a guitar you suddenly didn't see anything.
weapons could be huge in that setting
Too much chance for serious injury (with that many people)
NO.
OSW said it best: “why don’t more people cheat in the Royal rumble?” “Why don’t people bring in a chair?” “Or a knife?”
speaking of gargano, fucking yikes brother what's going on? i would've thought with paul from the back office in charge he of all people would've been given special treatment, he's just another bad comedy guy now
Well, when you're 5 foot nothing and sub 150lbs, there's not a lot people will believe about you so might as well be a comedy guy.
@@RowdyRodimus he's an inch under aj styles come along now, i hate that argument when history has shown people like styles, danielson and guerrero, can rely on their talent over size
it's just lazy ass booking, having too many toys and not knowing what to do with them
@@ludhaven But since AJ has some muscle mass, he visually looks huge compared to Gargano. Same thing with Adam Cole, they might be able to do every move ever created but they don't look to have any impact. That's why they need to keep a cruiserweight title for people like them to feel important and the smarks to be able to edge one out to their wrestling observer year end awards.
@@RowdyRodimus that is a bizarre thing to say and i feel we have very different views on how wrestling can be so i'll leave it there, but i hope you enjoyed the show otherwise
@@ludhaven it's all good. Truth be told, my favorite ever was Roddy Piper who was a small guy. I guess I'm one of those that like fists instead of flips.
Rhea and Gunther were just napping on the mat 90% of the match lol.
Agreed
NO MORE FROLICKING ABOUT IN THE RING
Nice shirt
Wrestling isn't Cuddling
For how much you understand about wrestling, it's sad that you know so little about wrestling. And the sadness is that none of it is your fault - its WWF and WCW's faults. Pro wrestling died at least 30 years ago. The word "choreography" shouldn't come within 6 industries of pro wrestling. Matches should be at least 95% improvised. It LOOKS fake because it's not REAL, how it used to be. The wrestlers determined moves, not a guy in an earpiece. Guys weren't afraid to hurt one another because they knew how dangerous they were. Pro wrestling is not micromanaging every single camera angle to get every single kino shot and every single "WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN?!?" moment out of every single match. Pro wrestling has always been real with pre-determined finishes. WWE today is fake tits. Real pro wrestling is all natural, not the easiest, most-pleasant thing to look at. Matches are booked, not written or scripted. Promos are interviews, not scripts. Babyfaces are not chosen by the company, but by the people's reactions. Wrestlers get themselves over, they are not put over.
Only when society is comfortable in believing pro wrestling is real will it live once again. And yes, I've been the change I want to see in the world. I've made pro wrestling real in some teeny tiny small sense. It can be done.
Yeah it doesn’t have to last long just throw them out
Just come get into the Indian film industry already. You will have a blast. Hit me up when in Mumbai. Much love from India
Let's answer your complaint:
So you want 12 guys sitting down and watching the action go by? Does that make sense? You want nonstop weapons and mayhem EVERY time? Because that worked out for a similar company. You want the "hug humping" to stop? So just realistically as soon as someone is in, get them out or reverse and toss the other one out? Only 4 people max would be in the ring at a time. If you try to look at wrestling realistically, you arent going to enjoy it at all. It DOES have to make sense, but in its own realm of existence. You can't apply real world logic to wrestling at all. You should know that.
Well he's just saying instead of filler corner humping if you need filler guys for the rumble at least give them something a bit more interesting to do. And using the 2000 rumble as an example they had the hardcore championship in the match so there was a hardcore segment to the rumble where those guys got their stuff in and switched back into the central stories you wanted to hit. So he's saying to try and give these guys a little something more to do.
@deadpoolnerd if you give EVERYONE something to do, you'll never see any of it. You might catch things 1 and 2, but watching those, you missed 3 and 4 and had no idea 5 and 6 even happened. Thats the problem.
On top of that, as much as I LOVE the hardcore title when it was around, they are still pg. They still edit head shots on their RUclips uploads. The sponsors and possible networks won't allow that much chaos all at once. Plus, from their point of view, it diminishes weapons for when they use them in other matches. Similar to how most finishers aren't finishers anymore.
@Y2Jerms but as in something more interesting. Like in the match sheamus and drew hitting the beats together or getting in on beating someone with Gunther. That's giving them a bit more to do than just the cuddle thing. Not saying everyone needs a big spot all at once but something a bit more substantial or interesting to catch going on in the background. Little character quirks you go oh cool they're doing this different.
@@deadpoolnerd they do. That is what happens when they enter the ring. They get their character, moves, and quirks in. Then, they move on to try to eliminate someone. Then another person has their moment. It makes sense for them to be trying to eliminate someone. They also, realistically, within actually wrestling, need to rest. That's why there are sleeper hold moments in the ring at times.
Look, your points are valid, and yet, there have been rumbles where stuff is happening with people 85% of the time. This is the number one wrestling company in the world. Every rumble should be like that. It's just laziness that leads to the cuddling.
This year's men's RR felt so, like, bloated. There were so many people in the ring at every point and it was confusing. Guys had to push other guys out of the way to get their shit in
Any thoughts on the Chris Pine new DnD movie and the calls to boycott it because of WOTC's attempt to change the OGL? Can a DnD movie be good? Why the previous ones were that bad?