@@ladyamauri6643 I can't post the link to it because RUclips auto-deletes it, but it's a Reddit post on r/jakanddaxter titled "Jak2 checkpoints be like:"
The thing about Jak 2 is that, aside from two or three missions, the game isn't actually that difficult. But the awful checkpoints just make it seem 10x worse.
@@swagnusmcduck7566if I'm being honest jak 2 is harder then a lot of NES games I've played, it's definitely harder than the MegaMan games , maybe even on par with ninja gaiden
@@BeeBNOn par with Ninja Gaiden? LOOOL I have beaten Jak 2 several times, and I have played Ninja Gaiden, but have yet to beat it. I have also beaten Megaman 2, and that was significantly harder to do than Jak 2. Jak 2 is a pretty hard game don’t get me wrong, but it doesn’t come close to the others you mentioned.
Erol race is actually kind of easy when you learn that if you miss a ring you can still reverse to get it, since it makes you fail the mission only if you get the next one; and that Erol slows down a lot when doing turns so you can quickly catch up to him in the slaloms.
Well, at least it makes sense to have to redo the whole race when you fail. Whereas with here you might expect a checkpoint for the Metalpede chase sequence but then suddenly you're put at the beginning of the mission.
The harshest checkpoint from my memory is when you have to go the Weapons Factory to fight Krew. I died fighting the last set of enemies before the Krew fight, and then the game sent me back a fair bit. Jak 2 is still my favourite of the trilogy, though.
2:43 that is such a beginners trap. If you never played the game before and you got to that part a lot of people wouldn't know that platform will flip again. Beginners traps like that should be in the beginning of the level, not that far in.
When you get soft locked because you didn't bring enough ammo into the next checkpoint and you are stuck in a death loop, didn't happen to me as a kid but as a teenager when i replayed the Jak and Daxter Trilogy.
Mira que habían posibilidades, muchísimas en realidad para tener munición... Y a pesar de todo, te ocurrió éso, gracias a Dios Yo solo sufrí con algunas de las misiones de las alcantarillas
@@emaxelrodriguez357 I did the "Skip 66% of the game glitch" And then i proceeded into the next mission which was the one where you fight all those red guards in the palace. After doing the glitch you get all the guns up to that point unlocked but your ammo doesn't restock and i guess i just rushed right into the fight without checking my guns for their ammo counts. I don't glitch usually, it was just a thing i wanted to try as a kid after completing the game normally.
You pretty much have to cheese the game to get through that one. Roll jump the entire way and their laser sights struggle to hit you. Pretty sure that's not what the devs wanted, but screw it. That section is BS. lol
The escort mission with Krew's boys in the sewers? That was driving me insane as a kid.....not as bad in the remaster tho, I just learned to hoard all the vulcan ammo till the very end
I feel you on this, 8 year old me had so much trpuble with this game with Guide Jinx through the Sewers mission, this one, and probably the final boss fight and the area leading up to it being the literal hardest parts of the game and that can probably be atributed to them restarting development after some early work was done post Jak and Daxter to then chase the trend and go more mature like GTA and having to rush development from then on to incorporate a lot of the new stuff the game now needed to be implemented.
As a kid, when I first saw the centipede thing, I thought it was going to chase me from the top of the screen, so I was like "I'm gonna hold the analog stick down so I start moving right away!" I immediately ran into it's mouth and died
i just played through this (i've beaten the game a few times (3 or 4) i was so mad, one of my attempts sig was taken down by the metalheads while i worked that 2 block puzzle, i was furious
I'm pretty sure jak 3 was made easier because of the criticisms directed at 2, I don't think jak ever head behind the scenes commentary like the ratchet and clank games had.
El 3 por Mucho! Literalmente te aumentan la barra de vida tras cierta cantidad de misiones, y además las conservas en el Modo Héroe, sin contar todo el resto de poderes y habilidades de Jak en el juego (Un The World, un Kamehameha, una esfera de protección... Que definitivamente Nadie usó más que para glitching el juego, entre otras cosas)
I swear to you that just last night I was playing Jak 2, specifically this mission and I also died during the second chase phase. Jak 2 is a masterpiece but it has some truly infamous checkpoints.
If you haven't played the mission where you go shoot 40 of the flying krimson gaurds in the gun pod just to get to the ship while in HERO MODE where enemies have more health, then you don't know true agony. Aaand you have to shoot several before you can start the countdown of the 40... 😭 the pain.
It's a pretty annoying aspect of an otherwise fun game. Although, the part I had the most trouble with (and never even actually beat) was the race around the city against Erol.
Yes, the checkpoints are atrocious, but after not playing this game for years, hearing Jack picking up dark echo gave me such a rush of dopamine. xD Picking up dark echo, light echo, precursor orbs, metalhead jewels, and ammo is awesome, but none of these sound cues hold a candle to picking up green echo orbs in the first Jak and Daxter... god, the sound design in this entire series is wonderful.
When the team was making Crash Bandicoot Andy said he or someone else on the team wanted the Wumpa Fruit when picked up, and I think breaking the crates along with a few other things, to sound like you're playing an exciting pinball machine. The same company made the first four Jak games so it's likely they wanted to make the sounds as exciting as they were in the Crash Bandicoot series.
Not the point but I find the whole sequence of Sig covering Jak, about a minute of offscreen violence, and then him just casually walking away without even acknowledging it leaving behind 20 or so skull gems and a sea of dark eco both hilarious and on brand.
I just finished my first playthrough and by extension this level and yeah my jaw hit the floor when I saw the checkpoint placement or lack thereof here, even by Jak 2's standards which are so low the bar is in the underworld, it still manages to be exceptionally bad. None of the specific platformer challenges or whatnot are that demanding all things considered but they're all over instant death pits/Dark Eco and with practically nonexistant checkpoints which makes an otherwise middle of the road action platformer downright excruciating. I've played way harder games but Jak 2 is the only one so far where the difficulty felt like padding rather than intended fun, even quarter munchers don't waste and disrespect the player's time that blatantly.
I honestly believe conversations were had that the checkpoints are used "dramatically" or to raise the stakes and make it life or death. Its annoying, but if youre good at the game its kinda how it reads. Not every level has dogass chekpoints. Most with multiple things to do saves your progress in ways.
Funnily enough, this game isn't actually that hard. It's just incredibly punishing. Although I will admit, When I tried to play this game as a kid, I ended up giving up at "Find pumping station valve" which is like, the 2nd actual mission in the game.
I just got a PTSD infused flashback of when I was running through this level, got to the last chase section, and got uno reversed by a wall into the metal head's mouth. If you don't believe me it's on my channel. Jak 2 checkpoints are not for the faint of heart, don't Jak 2 and drive.
The stupid underwater mech sequence right before this mission is the WORST for me, I always hated it as a kid and had my dad play it for me (that and the Krew fight because I was scared of him lol)
I love the Jack and dexter series, but Jack 2 was always a pain for me bc of how annoying and difficult the game could be. I recently just played the game again through open goal and beat it. It's probably the 2nd time I've completed the game from my million play throughs as a kid. This mission was one of the few that pissed me off on my run through.
they get even worse in Jak 3. They are autosaves that HARD SAVE. Meaning if you don't wanna do an side mission? But you walked into the trigger? Well, HOPE YOU BACKED UP YOUR SAVE.
@@oscarcapac1786 For me driving the land cars was the worst experiences causes they'd always spin out, yet the AI had perfect driving. You're right behind the last one but the timer runs out? "f'ck logic, he still counts as getting away!"
@@oscarcapac1786 Yeah. For me Jak & Daxter missions were a walk in the park. Then here comes Jak II and Jak III speeding up to 600 Miles Per Hour saying: "You will do this, and you will do this perfectly. And if you run out of ammo? You're S.O.L."
as much as I love the Jak and Daxter Trilogy they are the kind of games where you either just do everything on the first try or your stuck on it for an Ungodly and unreasonable amount of time until it just becomes so damn boring
0:06 We all saw that. Also, I'm fairly certain there are checkpoints at least at every beginning of a chase, so you may be causing a glitch wherein the checkpoints don't correctly load when you skip the cutscenes. But that's just a hypothesis.
@@katp998 Simmm, é de verdade um jogo muito desafiador. Muito difícil mesmo sdds de jogos assim. Lembro uma fase no jak2 que você tem que fugir de um monte de guardas e não pode cair na água se não volta tudo
Someone made a meme where he died in Jak 2 and respawned all the way in Geyser Rock (first area of Jak 1)
you gotta find this lmaoooo
@@ladyamauri6643 I can't post the link to it because RUclips auto-deletes it, but it's a Reddit post on r/jakanddaxter titled "Jak2 checkpoints be like:"
LMAO
OMG STAWP
Sounds like an average Jak 2 mission to me.
The turn around at the end LMAO
"Dude that's your cue."
Should have ended with the "Curb Your Enthusiasm" music, slowly zooming into Jak's face.
Jak: "Bro just turn off the PS2."
If your parents didn't discipline you, Jak II will.
My parents *and* Jak 2 disciplined me.
The true final boss of this game. The checkpoints
I swear to god I full on memory holed this sequence but when I saw the end part with the platform flipping up all the pain kept rushing back
I'm sorry for your anguish, but "memory hole" is hilarious and I'm adding it to my vocabulary XD
The thing about Jak 2 is that, aside from two or three missions, the game isn't actually that difficult. But the awful checkpoints just make it seem 10x worse.
NES games: “Pathetic.”
I thought the same thing lol. I played thru this game so many times that eventually I got the hang of it and now I play this game like a pro lmao
Nah dude some of the driving missions are pretty insane regardless of the checkpoints (which do NOT help)
@@swagnusmcduck7566if I'm being honest jak 2 is harder then a lot of NES games I've played, it's definitely harder than the MegaMan games , maybe even on par with ninja gaiden
@@BeeBNOn par with Ninja Gaiden? LOOOL I have beaten Jak 2 several times, and I have played Ninja Gaiden, but have yet to beat it. I have also beaten Megaman 2, and that was significantly harder to do than Jak 2.
Jak 2 is a pretty hard game don’t get me wrong, but it doesn’t come close to the others you mentioned.
Still can't be as frustrating as Erol's first race. You could be winning, miss a turn to the left and Boom! you're in dust!
This one is super fun. Definitely not easy but still one of my favorites
Erol race is actually kind of easy when you learn that if you miss a ring you can still reverse to get it, since it makes you fail the mission only if you get the next one; and that Erol slows down a lot when doing turns so you can quickly catch up to him in the slaloms.
Well, at least it makes sense to have to redo the whole race when you fail. Whereas with here you might expect a checkpoint for the Metalpede chase sequence but then suddenly you're put at the beginning of the mission.
The amount of times I failed that mission was traumatic
@@oscarcapac1786Are you crazy sir ?
The harshest checkpoint from my memory is when you have to go the Weapons Factory to fight Krew. I died fighting the last set of enemies before the Krew fight, and then the game sent me back a fair bit. Jak 2 is still my favourite of the trilogy, though.
2:43 that is such a beginners trap. If you never played the game before and you got to that part a lot of people wouldn't know that platform will flip again. Beginners traps like that should be in the beginning of the level, not that far in.
I straight up thought Sig was gonna clear the path for me LMAO
Don't people go through haven forest before this? I mean, Haven forest teaches you precisely how these platforms work.
@@SpotFox-g6s I don't think they flip over that fast there
Not really theres a lot of time to react to it even if you jump before it turns you can just double jump backwards
When you get soft locked because you didn't bring enough ammo into the next checkpoint and you are stuck in a death loop, didn't happen to me as a kid but as a teenager when i replayed the Jak and Daxter Trilogy.
Holy shit looking back I'm glad I always topped off on ammo before a mission
You're fault for not restocking on ammo, dumbass.
Mira que habían posibilidades, muchísimas en realidad para tener munición... Y a pesar de todo, te ocurrió éso, gracias a Dios Yo solo sufrí con algunas de las misiones de las alcantarillas
@@emaxelrodriguez357 I did the "Skip 66% of the game glitch" And then i proceeded into the next mission which was the one where you fight all those red guards in the palace. After doing the glitch you get all the guns up to that point unlocked but your ammo doesn't restock and i guess i just rushed right into the fight without checking my guns for their ammo counts.
I don't glitch usually, it was just a thing i wanted to try as a kid after completing the game normally.
I once got trapped at the sig mission with no ammo at a major checkpoint
Still not as bad as dashing through the water slums after grabbing the seal piece. HATED that mission
Fuuuck that mission.
You pretty much have to cheese the game to get through that one. Roll jump the entire way and their laser sights struggle to hit you. Pretty sure that's not what the devs wanted, but screw it. That section is BS. lol
I just punch into an uppercut the whole way through for every playthrough
@@Cableguy15The jet board makes it a lot easier as it lets you stay a little under the bridge and out of the hellcats line of sight
@@Dante_Sparda_DMCI did this on my last game save it was cake.
I purchased this game when I was 12 I completed the game when I was 18.
Hahaha sounds about right.
i remember giving up here and coming back months later if not at all
The escort mission with Krew's boys in the sewers? That was driving me insane as a kid.....not as bad in the remaster tho, I just learned to hoard all the vulcan ammo till the very end
'Quiet! Here comes pretty boy.' - Having to hear that every single time I couldn't kill every single metal head made me despise Jinx
That mission has me always using my Dark Jak. And I’m a Resource Hoarder, that should tell you how fucking done I got with that mission 😂
I remember going downstairs to my mum crying out of frustration from Jak II. Wouldn't take those memories back for anything though
Yes, I think this is by far the hardest and most frustrating checkpoint. I can't understand how they deemed it ok in playtests.
I feel you on this, 8 year old me had so much trpuble with this game with Guide Jinx through the Sewers mission, this one, and probably the final boss fight and the area leading up to it being the literal hardest parts of the game and that can probably be atributed to them restarting development after some early work was done post Jak and Daxter to then chase the trend and go more mature like GTA and having to rush development from then on to incorporate a lot of the new stuff the game now needed to be implemented.
Imagine there's only the first checkpoint on that Drill Platform mission...
this is one of those games you pretty much learn to speedrun from 1 playthrough
As a kid, when I first saw the centipede thing, I thought it was going to chase me from the top of the screen, so I was like "I'm gonna hold the analog stick down so I start moving right away!"
I immediately ran into it's mouth and died
i hate how Sig says he'll cover for you and almost gets himself killed doing it...
he is so weak lol
Sig is actually pretty tough. You are just comparing him to Jak, the mightiest individual in the whole setting.
I have heard these voice lines SO many times 😂😂😂😂
i just played through this (i've beaten the game a few times (3 or 4)
i was so mad, one of my attempts sig was taken down by the metalheads while i worked that 2 block puzzle, i was furious
Just casually doing the puzzle while Sig is being bullied in the background.
I see it and I raise it. Beating Errol's best time on the city rings race to get the freaking orbs for the damn Platinum trophy.
The way Jak turns around to face the camera at the end 😂
felt that in my soul!
Did any of the developer ever comment on why this game was so unnecessarily hard?
I'm pretty sure jak 3 was made easier because of the criticisms directed at 2, I don't think jak ever head behind the scenes commentary like the ratchet and clank games had.
Every time I feel like replaying this game, I'm immediately reminded of how awful the checkpoints are.
Jak 1 and 3 are so much easier to replay.
Emulation with save states
@@kwisatzhaderach9591 boosted uppercuts*
@@kwisatzhaderach9591 That's for pussies.
El 3 por Mucho! Literalmente te aumentan la barra de vida tras cierta cantidad de misiones, y además las conservas en el Modo Héroe, sin contar todo el resto de poderes y habilidades de Jak en el juego (Un The World, un Kamehameha, una esfera de protección... Que definitivamente Nadie usó más que para glitching el juego, entre otras cosas)
"Fully moving Jak" can't reach that platform in time.
Jak II was my DARKSOULS growing up lol. Love this game
Just finished the game, can relate lol.
jak 2 is the only of the three jak games (that i have) that i have been unable to complete. this video shows why lol
poor soul
I swear to you that just last night I was playing Jak 2, specifically this mission and I also died during the second chase phase. Jak 2 is a masterpiece but it has some truly infamous checkpoints.
The Dark Souls of checkpoints.
Dark Souls is the Dark Souls of checkpoints; you ever play that shit??? Mfs space out bonfires like they're paying for them.
Look on the bright side, at-least you're past that ATTROCIOUS Wack-a-mole game part.
NO seriously, that part literally took me FOREVER to get through.
The whack a mole game was pure hell
If you haven't played the mission where you go shoot 40 of the flying krimson gaurds in the gun pod just to get to the ship while in HERO MODE where enemies have more health, then you don't know true agony.
Aaand you have to shoot several before you can start the countdown of the 40... 😭 the pain.
2:50 Jak looks at the camera directly to say
“I’m done.”
Ah, seeing this brings back so many memories...
I think between this mission, the whack-a-mole game and the city race with erol i died at least 100 times
So THAT’S why I remember this mission being a nightmare XD
When in doubt - keep the yellow gun out
It's a pretty annoying aspect of an otherwise fun game. Although, the part I had the most trouble with (and never even actually beat) was the race around the city against Erol.
yeah that is a fairly challenging mission to be fair
is easy... is more hard the "mini game" of that mission
This mission really pissed me off.
Love and hated some PS2 games simply for their terrible checkpoints lmao. Fun game at the end of the day ngl
Yes, the checkpoints are atrocious, but after not playing this game for years, hearing Jack picking up dark echo gave me such a rush of dopamine. xD
Picking up dark echo, light echo, precursor orbs, metalhead jewels, and ammo is awesome, but none of these sound cues hold a candle to picking up green echo orbs in the first Jak and Daxter... god, the sound design in this entire series is wonderful.
When the team was making Crash Bandicoot Andy said he or someone else on the team wanted the Wumpa Fruit when picked up, and I think breaking the crates along with a few other things, to sound like you're playing an exciting pinball machine.
The same company made the first four Jak games so it's likely they wanted to make the sounds as exciting as they were in the Crash Bandicoot series.
This would made a perfect youtube short loop
This mission was one of the hardest imo
Not the point but I find the whole sequence of Sig covering Jak, about a minute of offscreen violence, and then him just casually walking away without even acknowledging it leaving behind 20 or so skull gems and a sea of dark eco both hilarious and on brand.
I just finished my first playthrough and by extension this level and yeah my jaw hit the floor when I saw the checkpoint placement or lack thereof here, even by Jak 2's standards which are so low the bar is in the underworld, it still manages to be exceptionally bad. None of the specific platformer challenges or whatnot are that demanding all things considered but they're all over instant death pits/Dark Eco and with practically nonexistant checkpoints which makes an otherwise middle of the road action platformer downright excruciating. I've played way harder games but Jak 2 is the only one so far where the difficulty felt like padding rather than intended fun, even quarter munchers don't waste and disrespect the player's time that blatantly.
If only you could use the save anytime feature in these like when you play an old ps one game like the legend of dragon
I haven't played this game in like 4 years but I could never get past that second worm chase!
I thought this video was a shitpost until I saw the end......man that's rough. That's Dante's Inferno type of rough
Me, before clicking on the ivdeo: "Oh, they sure are, wonder which ones they'll show"
Me, right after: OH, THIS FUCKING PLACE.
"He'S gAiNiNg!"
This is one of my favoritebgames ive ever played
Medievil joined the chat
Nostalgic
3 minutes well worth the punchline. I laughed
Why is this so relatable
-1 run no more check points, the game:
I honestly believe conversations were had that the checkpoints are used "dramatically" or to raise the stakes and make it life or death. Its annoying, but if youre good at the game its kinda how it reads. Not every level has dogass chekpoints. Most with multiple things to do saves your progress in ways.
Absolute agony
Funnily enough, this game isn't actually that hard. It's just incredibly punishing.
Although I will admit, When I tried to play this game as a kid, I ended up giving up at "Find pumping station valve" which is like, the 2nd actual mission in the game.
P A I N
Don't even get me started on Hero Mode...
Maaaaaan don't remind me!
They really should've put a check point after the bullshit cube puzzles
Gotta say sometimes I felt really deserving with all those checkpoints when I beat the game
They really dont make games like this anymore.. God those were the days
Man those checlpoints were ehat made me dread certain levels on replays
02:49 lmao the look back
I just got a PTSD infused flashback of when I was running through this level, got to the last chase section, and got uno reversed by a wall into the metal head's mouth. If you don't believe me it's on my channel. Jak 2 checkpoints are not for the faint of heart, don't Jak 2 and drive.
Why Jak and Daxter looking at the camera at the end like it’s our fault?!?
The stupid underwater mech sequence right before this mission is the WORST for me, I always hated it as a kid and had my dad play it for me (that and the Krew fight because I was scared of him lol)
I'll bet the average jak playthrough has more deaths than the average dark souls playthrough
Common, those are just 2 minutes of progress
I love the Jack and dexter series, but Jack 2 was always a pain for me bc of how annoying and difficult the game could be. I recently just played the game again through open goal and beat it. It's probably the 2nd time I've completed the game from my million play throughs as a kid. This mission was one of the few that pissed me off on my run through.
they get even worse in Jak 3. They are autosaves that HARD SAVE. Meaning if you don't wanna do an side mission? But you walked into the trigger? Well, HOPE YOU BACKED UP YOUR SAVE.
Yeah that's so annoying. Shoutout to the 2nd item search in the desert. Didn't want to bump into enemies for the next 5 hours ? Well too bad
@@oscarcapac1786 For me driving the land cars was the worst experiences causes they'd always spin out, yet the AI had perfect driving. You're right behind the last one but the timer runs out? "f'ck logic, he still counts as getting away!"
@@Angel-Dust-The-Prostitute I wasn't thinking about this mission but it's also super hard lol
@@oscarcapac1786 Yeah. For me Jak & Daxter missions were a walk in the park. Then here comes Jak II and Jak III speeding up to 600 Miles Per Hour saying: "You will do this, and you will do this perfectly. And if you run out of ammo? You're S.O.L."
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT CHECKPOINT
yup i just recently played this game again and i struggled on this mission just because fps on ps4 are hell and these respawns are just bs
The ps4's fps are so bs that just bumping into a door while on the jet board ended up causing lag for me
Aaand theres the rage quit.
That was so annoying I thought! Like truly!
This is actually my Vietnam
Reading the comments and realizing I wasn’t over exaggerating the RAGE jak games brought me when I was younger 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Maybe I'm wrong, but in Prince of Persia (PS2) the checkpoints are awful in the same way that Jak 2.
At least the PS2-generation of Prince of Persia games gave do-overs with the time reversal powers.
that is what makes the game fun over jak 3 imo. best in the series
as much as I love the Jak and Daxter Trilogy they are the kind of games where you either just do everything on the first try or your stuck on it for an Ungodly and unreasonable amount of time until it just becomes so damn boring
This tells me that using that exploit for the platinum trophy ain’t too grubby after all
0:06 We all saw that. Also, I'm fairly certain there are checkpoints at least at every beginning of a chase, so you may be causing a glitch wherein the checkpoints don't correctly load when you skip the cutscenes. But that's just a hypothesis.
nah I swear there genuinely are some checkpoints that put you back before a cutscene so you have to watch it each time you die
Nope, you have to make that jump and do the stupid, easy block puzzle before every retry. That was honestly the worst part of the mission for me.
I wonder if anyone ever counted how many checkpoints are in the game.
Did this today. It sucked but Weapons Lab was worse imo.
I heard his eyes shatter when I saw where the checkpoint was
Bons tempos jogando jak 😂 ❤❤
Um br fã dessa franquia maravilhosa?? NÃO TÔ SOZINHO AFINAL ksksksksk
Comecei a jogar essa franquia esse ano, e que joguinho difícil esse jak 2
currently waiting for jak 3 port to pc. cant wait! 🙌
@@katp998 Simmm, é de verdade um jogo muito desafiador. Muito difícil mesmo sdds de jogos assim. Lembro uma fase no jak2 que você tem que fugir de um monte de guardas e não pode cair na água se não volta tudo
Trying to get Platinum in this game makes XCOM 2 on Legendary difficulty look like child's play.
Jak 2 is
Best game in the Galaxy！！！！！
Quiet, here comes pretty boy!
Technically it's only 3 minutes which isn't that long
Honestly, Jak II being as difficult as it is wouldn't be that much of a problem were it not for the way the checkpoint system works