Fun fact: If KH1 was made in 1992 and if Yoko Shimomura still was the composer for it, that would mean that within the span of only a year or two she would've composed for two of her most famous & influential soundtracks, as 1991 is when Street Fighter II came out. She's already a rock star in the video game music world, but I can't imagine just how much faster people would've developed the reverence we have for her if these two games came out so close together.
Oh wow Didn’t know she composed street fighter 2 music which is crazy bc I’ve played that before a couple times but simple and clean IMO is the greatest track made for a video game ever period she’s a legend
Fun fact Nomura actually 'borrowed' the design of the horned king from the Black Cauldron for Final Fantast 7's Hades summon which literally uses a black cauldron to attack.
If memory serves, Cecil being manipulated by royalty is actually a plot point in FF4, which would make him being Prince John's pawn make sense. Also, realistically, gameplay would probably be like Secret of Mana, since that was a Square game that came out in the earlier part of the 90s and, gameplay-wise, was kind of a predecessor to Kingdom Hearts.
@@sigurdtheblue I don't really know how it's at all irrelevant. Frankly a game made by Square Enix that's closer to the 90s than Kingdom Hearts with character art by Nomura is the perfect game to compare to a 90s Sora concept. In fact that's exactly why I said what I did.
This is amazing creative. I expected it to be more like, “what if KH was a turn based Sprite game”, but this is 10,000 times more imaginative. Loved it!
I love to imagine it too - what if we got these technological revolutions just for video games a decade or so earlier...man, that may include us having smart phones in the early 2000s. I think that could've offered for better, more patient times in my childhood, like, oh wow. I'd be more of a mizzoommial than I already am.
In the jungle book world, the crew could stay normal because there are humans and I don't think it would be too out of place to that worlds inhabitants.
i think since most of the characters in the actual story are animals it would make sense to have transformations there. otherwise they wouldnt be able to interact with most of the important cast at all, which would make the world pointless.
I know this comment is old as hell but yeah, I agree that it's a weird take. It's not like the characters in Jungle Book are unaware of humans, they all know what Mowgli is, it's pretty much critical to the plot of the movie. It could just be regular ol human Sora and most of them would just be like 'oh great ANOTHER mancub'. No real need for a transformation imo.
Plus, Baloo walks on two legs despite being an animal, so even if Sora has to transform to fit in, it’s not like he has to use a different moveset like Lion Sora
@bnashee you could say that about deep jungle too and yet they still did that plus since Donald and goofy are animals too they could act as translators if need be
There are some KH-centric channels that delve into lore and theories, then there’s Regular Pat, thinking of theories and scenarios so far out of left field, yet weaves them together so well and coherently with a great sense of humor. You are far and away my favorite RUclipsr I’ve found in the past few years. Thanks for the great entertainment!
I think Prince Philip could also work in Hollow Bastion in place of Beast since he would be searching for Aurora and the fairies could transport him to Hollow Bastion
22:50 Games rarely ever do this, but I think it'd be cool if Sora said "Hey, that's like the name of my raft!" in a cutscene if you kept the name the same. If you changed the name, he'd say something like, "Oh that's a cool name." So your choice of naming the raft/default gummi ship affects that cutscene too! It'd also be fun if there was no default name for the raft, and the cutscene secret was just one that gets discovered by players later on. You'll also voice the DYKG video that talks about this.
A thought that comes up with Fox and the Hound as a possible option for the first game and the first game only is the idea of fate and destiny tearing two friends apart to play their roles in a world they don't fully understand yet. I don't think there's a great deal of potential for a world for the game to play through, but there's some parallels that could be heartbreaking.
The Final Fantasy Characters switch up was the most interesting part, Cecil would fit perfectly since KH is about Light and Darkness. Riku and Cecil would get along really well, as with Rydia and Kairi and Sora and Luneth.
The light, and the dark... it's almost baffling that they never used his character, when you think about it. No FF protagonist has encapsulated that dichotomy more explicitly. :0
The animation probably wouldn't have been as good. But then again FF7 came out in the 90s and got a glorious makeover recently in FF7R. Not to mention things like the animation difference between CoM and ReCoM. *edit:* now that the video was finally released I can see this comment is kind of irrelevant, hahaha
17:28 As much as I like the idea of a simple brawl with Rattigan, I think he should get a powered up state. Nothing crazy, just him giving into the darkness and gaining the ability to use magic. Kind of like Scar but with an actual visual change to show he's given in to the darkness, give him yellow pupils with black sclera and make the remains of his cape into a flowing shadow cape.
There's something weirdly charming about a KH game that makes use of Dark Age/pre-Renaissance films for its tentpole worlds. Jungle Book, Robin Hood, Great Mouse Detective, and Black Cauldron are usually seen as kinda-skippable Disney films, but I honestly feel like they'd make really great KH worlds and I'd be happy to see them in the post-KH3 canon if possible. You made some inspired choices here -- Figment as a new summon, the use of Sherwood Forest as the analogous coliseum, and an aged-up Arthur as the Hollow Bastion party member are the main ones that came to my mind!
Huh, this was interesting. A few things I feel I want to say: 1. Does Sora really need a transformation in Jungle Book? It is a world that humans inhabit. 2. Wouldn't Maid Marion make for a better choice of princess? I guess we can't just remove Ariel as a party member and make her a princess huh... I also would think having Robin as a party member would be pretty cool and not make Sora a transformation (everyone would assume he's just some kind of monkey, make a running gag out of that.) 3. Not sure how licensing would work for the great mouse detective, I am not sure how Disney got the rights for rodent Sherlock in the first place, gotta add Arthur Conan Doyle to the credits when you load up the game? 4. Does Beauty and the Beast have to go? They don't have a whole world, just two characters.
I mean, Disney lost the rights for Edgar Rice Burroughs' works after KH1, maybe Great Mouse Detective would end up as the Tarzan "forgotten world" of the series.
90% of the characters in the jungle book movie are not human therefore there would be no real plot they could explore if sora is human in that world. most of the plot of the first jungle book movie is in the jungle with the animals. a downside to the original deep jungle was the fact that he couldnt talk to any of the gorillas but at least there are prominent human characters in tarzan. there arent a lot of human characters in the first jungle book movie.
The amount of work and genuine care combined with your usual sense of humor makes this maybe my favorite video of yours yet. You're officially a must-watch channel for any KH fan. Keep up the fantastic work dude!
Cecil being manipulated by Prince John isn't newer to my brain. Cecil does fulfill the wishes of an evil king at the start of his game, so it actually works pretty well!
It's likely that Black Cauldron isn't mentioned anymore for legal reasons since the setting is owned by the original author of the novels. Also, Setzer is designed by Testuya Nomura so Vivi is the only non-Nomura designed character from FF.
I love everything about this concept and video. The only thing I would change is giving Prof. Ratigan a more prominent role. He might not be the biggest, but he’s the most intelligent out of the Disney Villains. After all, he’s “The World’s Greatest Criminal Mind”. If he found out about “other worlds” he wouldn’t be content on just ruling his own. And a Kingdom literally called Kingdom Hearts would be ripe for the taking. Much like Maleficent, he would want to roam world to world, using his small stature to gather intelligence on the inhabitants. He would cozy up and work for Maleficent for her power, much like Pete, with the eventual end goal of betraying her. And if a Disney Princess can talk to mice, why can’t a Disney Villain talk to “Big Mice”. His story would happen more or less how you described, except he would fake his death and be portalled out of there after falling off of Big Ben, either by himself or with Maleficent’s help. He would then spend the rest of the series doing Maleficent’s bidding, biding his time and manipulating others from behind the scenes. Now if you don’t think Ratigan would be up to all this, well I say the man was voiced by Vincent Price and that alone should qualify him. But if you need more evidence, there are actually deleted lines to his villain song. Ever wonder how he drowned those widows and orphans? 🎵“When these dark and deadly-ish urges guide me, This cruel and unusual gift that’s inside me, Does wondrous things like the Tower Bridge job, That cunning display that made Londoners sob. Picking them off one by one, Picking them off JUST FOR FUN! Such privilege, my view from the bridge, as all of them bobbed and sank, But now this matchless plan I’ve been hatching’s a much more unnatural prank!”🎵 Let me know your thoughts.
It would play probably play like secret of mana or tales of Phantasia. The Disney worlds would be included would different tho like no nightmare before Christmas or Hercules or Tarzan (tho that’s nothing new)
Ratigan as part of the evil council actually sounds hilarious. Oogie already provided some comedic relief, I dont see it as a problem if there was one character that maybe the rest of the council didn't take seriously. Though honestly it would play up a lot better with the more confident, smug Sora from the later games, not seeing Rattigan as a threat whatsoever (kinda like how he is with Pete)
@@veganhans1007 To be totally fair, Cecil's whole character arc in FF4 was about him realizing that his king was making him do a bunch of war crimes for personal gain and discovering his own identity as a righteous Paladin instead of a glorified henchman Dark Knight.
Itd probably look like Chain of Memories but play mostly the same, and possibly prerendered cutscenes with bad cgi. Also, characters and movies that haven’t come out yet wouldn’t be represented, obviously.
If you go with prerendered cutscenes it would have to be a Sega CD game since SNES and Genesis cartridges can only up to 4MB (I think that's the amount) of space. GBA carts have a lot more storage. I'm also sceptical on how well it would run since the GBA has a stronger processor than the SNES and Genesis.
It’s kinda funny how well Firion and Cecil work as a Squall/Cloud switch out. Hell maybe instead of Golbez you’d fight Cecil’s dark Knight form to play into his dark side you see in the opening of the game when he works for the evil empire. Paladin (his post character development class upgrade) could be the regular design like how Cloud was based on his newer Advent children design.
i'm consistently impressed with the quality of these thought experiments, i have to admit every time i see one of RP's videos recommended part of me expects them to be forgettable or cringe because of the title/concept and i'm always wrong. they're always entertaining, thought-out and backed up with just the right amount of rationality and "fuck it why not" dryness. when will i learn. when will i learn to trust him
This got me thinking about building a whole Kingdom Hearts side story around Kairi as a keyblade wielder; it’s maybe not like Riku going through his own play through in worlds Sora has visited but mixing in new stuff. Though, my obvious biases make it very difficult for me not to use Black Cauldron, Rescuers, or more modern Disney movies like Zootopia or Moana.
No need for the "(and Setzer)" correction when it came to non-Nomura characters, as he actually was made and designed by him. Even though Amano was still the lead character designer of VI, both Setzer and Shadow were Nomura creations, which is why he wound up using the former for KH2.
Wizard of Oz would be a shoo-in, then! And they could do some amazing stuff with Game Central Station from Wreck-It Ralph, like actually have Mario show up. :D
Idea for Alternate Universe: What if Sora turned the disney villains from KH 1 into Heartless and Nobodies when he defeated them and their Nobodies made a quasi-organization. What would they look like, names and what would they do if they were involved in KH 2? Maleficent's whole situation in that would change.
It is genuinely weird that Maleficent, in particular, did not become a Heartless and Nobody after she got stab'd. But I guess we can chalk that one up to "the plot said so".
I'd like to think that Maleficent simply can't be turned into a heartless for whatever reason otherwise there have been plenty of opportunities for it to happen. Hell, part of me feels like she might not even have a heart to lose, however it is that's actually possible.
The Main Characters from Lady and The Tramp, the Aristocrats, Fox and the Hound (as much as I'd like to see it get its world featured in a future kh game, although its unlikely) and Oliver and Company are more likely to be summons in a future KH game.
Pat: I don't think we can make Maid Marian a Princess of Heart Me: I don't think I can get behind this. Pat: Also let's make Figment a summon. Me: YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN
I know this video is two years old, but I just noticed: If Ratigan isn't related to the villain council, why would he be looking for the Keyhole? He wouldn't even know what that is!
I’m really curious how the characters would have looked in 90’s Kingdom Hearts. Like you said, we are dealing with pre-Nomura Final Fantasy. Pre “street fashion with lots of belts and zippers” Final Fantasy. I find the idea of seeing Donald Duck and Goofy drawn in Yoshitaka Amano’s art style hilarious, but I’m sure the official artwork would actually be gorgeous. Hmm, the whole game would probably commit more to a fairytale aesthetic in this hypothetical scenario.
Basil as a party member works well enough on its own merits when considering how he takes a lot from Sherlock Holmes, and while it wasn't his primary trait, Holmes was absolutely combat capable. Add in some Kingdom Hearts shenanigans on top of that and Basil would certainly function well as a party member.
This is both a really interesting way to create a different style of the game, and also a reminder that there should have been some more early Disney and Final Fantasy content in the series.
I especially would have loved, loved, LOVED to see some of these cameos from earlier Final Fantasy in the actual games. I'm way more familiar with the pre-FF6 games than the post-FF6 ones (thanks to the GBA), so appearances by Cecil and a secret boss fight with Golbez would have me out of my seat with excitement!! Even the FF2 characters like Firion and the pirate lady, I would be like WHA-----!?!? Aw, if only.... x'D
It was released in 2002 and it was likely actually sometime around 2000 that development actually started, so Square and Disney both were still riding high on the successes of the mid-late 90s, is my bet for what happened.
If I were you I would've kept the Quadrapedal worlds even after putting Jungle Book in the line up since you could realistically have Sora be a human in there and just change Donald and Goofy into actual animals which I think could make it worth it for the visual alone. SDG could meet with Mowgli, Baloo and Bagheera, who decide to go with SDG (with only Baloo or Mowgli actually being in the party). It could really be an interesting dynamic with Sora indirectly setting off the plot of the movie in this hypothetical, telling Mowgli about all kinds of things humans have and do, sparking him to want to go back to the world of man.
Realistically, if it was made ten years earlier they probably would have used the princess worlds here instead of bbs so people wouldn’t complain about their non-inclusion, but this was so much more interesting. Also I love the new villain council and the bit about Sher Kahn over Ratigan.
I feel like if Square really did team up with Disney for a 1992 release it would have been closer to Super Mario RPG but with an entirely Mickey-based setting and cast of characters.
14:50 since Cloud's whole part of the story was struggling between light and darkness, this could be a Cecil who is still struggling with the morality of his actions. He seeks power alone. Power to right his wrongs but power nonetheless. So he could be with the king to hone his skills as a Dark Knight to get revenge on the darkness that took him home, but through interacting with Sora awakens to the power of the Paladin and instead banishes the darkness from this world
As far as Final Fantasy characters go, I think Garland could fit well as a secret boss in the Robin Hood world due to him being an evil knight, plus his horns are bull-like, fitting in with the animal motif. Perhaps he could even be a mercenary hired by King John.
The one thing with this idea I would change, don't fight the sherif of Nottingham in place of Cerberus. How about for that fight, use those rhino brutes from the chase scene in Robin Hood. Then the sherif can act in place of the Hades fight.
When you brought up Figment as a summon I nearly lost my shit. Every time I go to Disney World for some stupid reason I always look forward to getting on the Figment ride...there's a million other rides better then that one, but for some reason Figment just entertains the hell out of me and I would pay good money to see him interact with SDG.
Id love to see someone do a mockup of all of this in SNES FF graphics. Maybe it could have even been an action RPG since Secret of Mana was a thing. Also I dont know where to put this but I loved Steamboat Willy in KH2 because of Mickey Mania for snes
Honestly, the Robin Hood world could work if the Sheriff of Nottingham took Hades' place manipulating Cecil or working with Cecil on Prince John's orders to find Golbez/reunite with Rosa and take Hades' place as a boss in it instead of Cerberus
Nice job! Just two considerations that crossed my mind: I see Prince John more with a Clayton role, not one of the bad guys, but just a victim of his own darkness. And since you mentioned Garland, he could replace the Ice Titan as a secret boss. In that way we'll have two FF bosses, but whatever.
And make the Villain Council Maleficent, Garland, Shere Khan, Ursula, Captain Hook, and the Horned King. Cause it’s weird that there are no Final Fantasy villains on that initial Council.
Okay, I’ve been binging your content like crazy this week and not only have you gained a subscriber but I think you’re officially one of my favorite channels!! (because obviously my opinion matters so much but anyway) You feel exactly the way I do about KH1, which none of my friends do, so that’s been so unexpectedly validating! And you make informative videos while also being hilarious and creative AND you even like Spyro too so I really hope you keep making content!!! (Okay, run-on-sentence-thirst-rant over, sorry people!)
i know we need to fill out as many full worlds as possible but since you mentioned big ben being in two worlds, and the great mouse detective world is when you’re tiny, there’s something to be considered in maybe making Neverland and that world connected, i know the usual ‘not having disney worlds touch eachother’ is usually prioritized but it could be like a kh2 tron and stitch in hollow bastion leading them to the world, it could be interesting!
Man, I can't really think of any specifics right now because it's been an actual eternity since I last saw it, but from the vague memories I do have of it, I think The Rescuers would make for a very fun world. Rest of the picks are spot on.
Can we suggest other alternative timeline ideas? Here's one if you like: What if Sora actually listened to Kairi when she said she wanted to join him on his search for Riku back in KH1? Alternatively, what if Sora, Riku, *and* Kairi teamed up to fight Xemnas in KH2 once Kairi got her keyblade, and then went on to train as a trio in KHDDD? And in case you're wondering, yes someone already made a mod featuring the Destiny Trio fighting the final battles of KH2. Here's the video by Napstio ( m.ruclips.net/video/QJ08tQTT-aw/видео.html )
I feel like it'd be wacky if instead of an adult King Arthur, the party member in Hollow Bastion is Scrooge McDuck, who's been trapped there for the past 10 years since Radiant Garden imploded (even though that wouldn't be referenced), and fights using a moveset not dissimilar to how he handles in the NES Ducktales, which would've been out for a few years by 1992. He'd volunteer to stay behind and protect the Princesses of Heart, and then you bring him back to Traverse Town after the second visit so he can reunite with Huey, Dewey, and Louie.
My only comment about the FF characters was that instead of taking the protags of FF3, you could have taken the guest party members, who had an established character even in the original
I absolutely love your ideas for the Robin Hood world! Setting it during the archery tournament to replace the Olympus Coliseum is genius and arguably more thematically fitting than the real game!
I could totally envision KH on SNES as, like, an action RPG in the vein of Star Ocean or Secret of Mana. What I wanna know is, what would a PS1 KH be like?
This was a super cool concept and a very interesting experiment! I think it might have also been cool to do sort of what timeless River did in KH2 and Disney Town in BBS and explore the worlds of Mickey Mouse and Friends cartoons or maybe some of the very early Disney Channel cartoons like Gummi Bears. Kudos to coming up with a counterpart for every game element! Good stuff!
13:25 for those who are curious. Rydia starts as a 7-ish Summoner (I don't actually know the age so I'll just assume the video is correct) but after quite a rough encounter, Leviathan brings her to the Land of Eidolons and trains her. Time flows differently in this realm of Summoned Beasts, so she basically gets a Hyperbolic Time Chamber training montage and when she next appears she has grown like 10 years and is now a young woman with great mastery over all forms of magic. So while she has lived through like 16+ years of her life, only 7 years have passed since her birth
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Fun fact: If KH1 was made in 1992 and if Yoko Shimomura still was the composer for it, that would mean that within the span of only a year or two she would've composed for two of her most famous & influential soundtracks, as 1991 is when Street Fighter II came out. She's already a rock star in the video game music world, but I can't imagine just how much faster people would've developed the reverence we have for her if these two games came out so close together.
Oh wow Didn’t know she composed street fighter 2 music which is crazy bc I’ve played that before a couple times but simple and clean IMO is the greatest track made for a video game ever period she’s a legend
But if KH1 was made in 1992, Nomura wouldn't be as high up as he was the decade after so no Sora, Riku or Kairi
@@_imyourhuckleberry_9687 Hikaru Utada actually made "Simple and Clean" but it is a great song.
@@NoraQRosa lol ur right I just had the other name on my mind
@@alex93cayford *Nomura wouldn't be as high
Most people write their fan fics on AO3. Regular Pat writes, scripts ,records and edits his fan fics.
Who would Sora even be without his early 2000's chains.
A trendsetter with early 90s chains
Just take a look at the early 90s Square RPGs. They're more medieval themed.
Maybe he pioneers it, hes not a victim of it...HES A STARTER OF IT!
we would have rapper Sora with even baggier pants and a tank top
@@davidjimenez3822 😂
Fun Fact: Haley Joel Osment (AKA our boy Sora) voiced Mowgli in the Jungle Book 2!
It would have been pretty funny to have them comment on it if they ever put the world in.
He also voices Chip in Beauty & the Beast and the Enchanted Christmas:)
He was also the child that Forrest Gump has in Forrest Gump (I know it's not a Disney animated movie but it's fun trivia I guess)
@@Lunimoose Not an animated Disney movie but still a nice peice of trivia.
Explains why during the song "Jungle Rhythm"from Jungle Book 2 all I saw singing was Sora in my mind
Fun fact Nomura actually 'borrowed' the design of the horned king from the Black Cauldron for Final Fantast 7's Hades summon which literally uses a black cauldron to attack.
THAT’S WHAT I NOTICED TOO WHEN HE SHOWED CLIPS OF BLACK CAULDRON!😱
* in spongebob narrator voice*
epic
Lmfao yeah because inspiration is illegal. You say that like he stole the whole ass movie
If memory serves, Cecil being manipulated by royalty is actually a plot point in FF4, which would make him being Prince John's pawn make sense.
Also, realistically, gameplay would probably be like Secret of Mana, since that was a Square game that came out in the earlier part of the 90s and, gameplay-wise, was kind of a predecessor to Kingdom Hearts.
Kain would work pretty well too 👀
Nomura is a big Kain fanboy.@@radbuffman3487
The Horned King being part of the council of villains is so cool though he legitimately gave me nightmares as a kid
hes legit so much scarier than any of those other guys
Sora’s sense of fashion would be even worse in the 90’s than 2002
Are you telling me his red onesie didn't feel like the indestructible armor of a brave knight?
You mean better.
Sora would just be a character from The Bouncer
@@couchpotato3197 You're damn right.
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I don't really know how it's at all irrelevant. Frankly a game made by Square Enix that's closer to the 90s than Kingdom Hearts with character art by Nomura is the perfect game to compare to a 90s Sora concept. In fact that's exactly why I said what I did.
This is amazing creative. I expected it to be more like, “what if KH was a turn based Sprite game”, but this is 10,000 times more imaginative. Loved it!
Or maybe a 2d action like legend of Zelda on the SNES
I love to imagine it too - what if we got these technological revolutions just for video games a decade or so earlier...man, that may include us having smart phones in the early 2000s. I think that could've offered for better, more patient times in my childhood, like, oh wow. I'd be more of a mizzoommial than I already am.
In the jungle book world, the crew could stay normal because there are humans and I don't think it would be too out of place to that worlds inhabitants.
Yeah, that's the part I was confused on, I feel Oliver and Company or Aristocats would have provided a better world for the quadruped-mode Sora
i think since most of the characters in the actual story are animals it would make sense to have transformations there. otherwise they wouldnt be able to interact with most of the important cast at all, which would make the world pointless.
I know this comment is old as hell but yeah, I agree that it's a weird take. It's not like the characters in Jungle Book are unaware of humans, they all know what Mowgli is, it's pretty much critical to the plot of the movie. It could just be regular ol human Sora and most of them would just be like 'oh great ANOTHER mancub'. No real need for a transformation imo.
Plus, Baloo walks on two legs despite being an animal, so even if Sora has to transform to fit in, it’s not like he has to use a different moveset like Lion Sora
@bnashee you could say that about deep jungle too and yet they still did that plus since Donald and goofy are animals too they could act as translators if need be
There are some KH-centric channels that delve into lore and theories, then there’s Regular Pat, thinking of theories and scenarios so far out of left field, yet weaves them together so well and coherently with a great sense of humor. You are far and away my favorite RUclipsr I’ve found in the past few years. Thanks for the great entertainment!
I NEED the transcript from Villain council meetings with Prince John. That shit would be hilarious
I can imagine that the others would be so done with his shit...
I think Prince Philip could also work in Hollow Bastion in place of Beast since he would be searching for Aurora and the fairies could transport him to Hollow Bastion
And the fairies could be sent to accompany Sora on the rest of his adventure, kinda like Genie and Tinkerbell.
@@TheKabuto90 yeah they could very well be the summon you get post hollow bastion 1 to replace Mushu
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Games rarely ever do this, but I think it'd be cool if Sora said "Hey, that's like the name of my raft!" in a cutscene if you kept the name the same. If you changed the name, he'd say something like, "Oh that's a cool name." So your choice of naming the raft/default gummi ship affects that cutscene too!
It'd also be fun if there was no default name for the raft, and the cutscene secret was just one that gets discovered by players later on. You'll also voice the DYKG video that talks about this.
Just discovered that I actually *am* familiar with The Black Cauldron. I read those books as a kid! This video unlocked memories for me. Thanks, Pat!
the Gurgi slander from this ruthless hack is unbearable
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We need these worlds already.
Gurgi was literally the only legitimately good thing about the movie.
@@garrettcarter5622 Agreed!
Gurgi was a goddamn hero. How many other Disney character legit commit suicide because no one loves them?
A thought that comes up with Fox and the Hound as a possible option for the first game and the first game only is the idea of fate and destiny tearing two friends apart to play their roles in a world they don't fully understand yet. I don't think there's a great deal of potential for a world for the game to play through, but there's some parallels that could be heartbreaking.
The Final Fantasy Characters switch up was the most interesting part, Cecil would fit perfectly since KH is about Light and Darkness. Riku and Cecil would get along really well, as with Rydia and Kairi and Sora and Luneth.
I like the idea of Cecil Harvey and his redemption playing into a game like KH1
The light, and the dark... it's almost baffling that they never used his character, when you think about it. No FF protagonist has encapsulated that dichotomy more explicitly. :0
Part of me feels Cecil would fit better in KH2 actually.
The animation probably wouldn't have been as good. But then again FF7 came out in the 90s and got a glorious makeover recently in FF7R. Not to mention things like the animation difference between CoM and ReCoM.
*edit:* now that the video was finally released I can see this comment is kind of irrelevant, hahaha
"The animation probably wouldn't have been as good"? Then you clearly haven't seen Disney games from that time period.
17:28 As much as I like the idea of a simple brawl with Rattigan, I think he should get a powered up state. Nothing crazy, just him giving into the darkness and gaining the ability to use magic. Kind of like Scar but with an actual visual change to show he's given in to the darkness, give him yellow pupils with black sclera and make the remains of his cape into a flowing shadow cape.
There's something weirdly charming about a KH game that makes use of Dark Age/pre-Renaissance films for its tentpole worlds. Jungle Book, Robin Hood, Great Mouse Detective, and Black Cauldron are usually seen as kinda-skippable Disney films, but I honestly feel like they'd make really great KH worlds and I'd be happy to see them in the post-KH3 canon if possible. You made some inspired choices here -- Figment as a new summon, the use of Sherwood Forest as the analogous coliseum, and an aged-up Arthur as the Hollow Bastion party member are the main ones that came to my mind!
> robin hood Skippable
Furries: and we took that personally
17:56 that "Mike Wazowski covered by a subscribe button" joke is really doing it for me
Huh, this was interesting. A few things I feel I want to say:
1. Does Sora really need a transformation in Jungle Book? It is a world that humans inhabit.
2. Wouldn't Maid Marion make for a better choice of princess? I guess we can't just remove Ariel as a party member and make her a princess huh... I also would think having Robin as a party member would be pretty cool and not make Sora a transformation (everyone would assume he's just some kind of monkey, make a running gag out of that.)
3. Not sure how licensing would work for the great mouse detective, I am not sure how Disney got the rights for rodent Sherlock in the first place, gotta add Arthur Conan Doyle to the credits when you load up the game?
4. Does Beauty and the Beast have to go? They don't have a whole world, just two characters.
I mean, Disney lost the rights for Edgar Rice Burroughs' works after KH1, maybe Great Mouse Detective would end up as the Tarzan "forgotten world" of the series.
90% of the characters in the jungle book movie are not human therefore there would be no real plot they could explore if sora is human in that world. most of the plot of the first jungle book movie is in the jungle with the animals. a downside to the original deep jungle was the fact that he couldnt talk to any of the gorillas but at least there are prominent human characters in tarzan. there arent a lot of human characters in the first jungle book movie.
The amount of work and genuine care combined with your usual sense of humor makes this maybe my favorite video of yours yet. You're officially a must-watch channel for any KH fan. Keep up the fantastic work dude!
Cecil being manipulated by Prince John isn't newer to my brain. Cecil does fulfill the wishes of an evil king at the start of his game, so it actually works pretty well!
It's likely that Black Cauldron isn't mentioned anymore for legal reasons since the setting is owned by the original author of the novels.
Also, Setzer is designed by Testuya Nomura so Vivi is the only non-Nomura designed character from FF.
You should do more what-ifs, these are dope.
I love everything about this concept and video. The only thing I would change is giving Prof. Ratigan a more prominent role. He might not be the biggest, but he’s the most intelligent out of the Disney Villains. After all, he’s “The World’s Greatest Criminal Mind”. If he found out about “other worlds” he wouldn’t be content on just ruling his own. And a Kingdom literally called Kingdom Hearts would be ripe for the taking.
Much like Maleficent, he would want to roam world to world, using his small stature to gather intelligence on the inhabitants. He would cozy up and work for Maleficent for her power, much like Pete, with the eventual end goal of betraying her. And if a Disney Princess can talk to mice, why can’t a Disney Villain talk to “Big Mice”.
His story would happen more or less how you described, except he would fake his death and be portalled out of there after falling off of Big Ben, either by himself or with Maleficent’s help. He would then spend the rest of the series doing Maleficent’s bidding, biding his time and manipulating others from behind the scenes.
Now if you don’t think Ratigan would be up to all this, well I say the man was voiced by Vincent Price and that alone should qualify him. But if you need more evidence, there are actually deleted lines to his villain song. Ever wonder how he drowned those widows and orphans?
🎵“When these dark and deadly-ish urges guide me,
This cruel and unusual gift that’s inside me,
Does wondrous things like the Tower Bridge job,
That cunning display that made Londoners sob.
Picking them off one by one,
Picking them off JUST FOR FUN!
Such privilege, my view from the bridge, as all of them bobbed and sank,
But now this matchless plan I’ve been hatching’s a much more unnatural prank!”🎵
Let me know your thoughts.
It would play probably play like secret of mana or tales of Phantasia. The Disney worlds would be included would different tho like no nightmare before Christmas or Hercules or Tarzan (tho that’s nothing new)
Ratigan as part of the evil council actually sounds hilarious. Oogie already provided some comedic relief, I dont see it as a problem if there was one character that maybe the rest of the council didn't take seriously.
Though honestly it would play up a lot better with the more confident, smug Sora from the later games, not seeing Rattigan as a threat whatsoever (kinda like how he is with Pete)
What if the power of waking never existed or What if Ventus never woke up in Kingdom hearts 3
What if Terra passed his master exam and BBS never happened
What if the Wayfinder Trio had been smarter?
What if the whole organisation never existed ?
@@IJustWantAMocha I have no problem understanding the plot.
@Xion Especially with Terra.
I am a HUGE Final Fantasy IV fan and the thought of having Cecil taking Cloud's place is something I never knew I wanted.
lol cecil being manipulated by a spoiled lion is the funniest thing ever
Still makes sense with Cecil being an actual knight and all that.
@@sigurdtheblue yeah but hades was the God of the underworld. the lion was practically a man child lmao
@@veganhans1007 To be totally fair, Cecil's whole character arc in FF4 was about him realizing that his king was making him do a bunch of war crimes for personal gain and discovering his own identity as a righteous Paladin instead of a glorified henchman Dark Knight.
Itd probably look like Chain of Memories but play mostly the same, and possibly prerendered cutscenes with bad cgi. Also, characters and movies that haven’t come out yet wouldn’t be represented, obviously.
If you go with prerendered cutscenes it would have to be a Sega CD game since SNES and Genesis cartridges can only up to 4MB (I think that's the amount) of space. GBA carts have a lot more storage. I'm also sceptical on how well it would run since the GBA has a stronger processor than the SNES and Genesis.
I'm pretty sure they would go 2d for the animation, or just use text boxes.
It’s kinda funny how well Firion and Cecil work as a Squall/Cloud switch out. Hell maybe instead of Golbez you’d fight Cecil’s dark Knight form to play into his dark side you see in the opening of the game when he works for the evil empire. Paladin (his post character development class upgrade) could be the regular design like how Cloud was based on his newer Advent children design.
I remember reading the black cauldron series growing up… Gurgi is supposed to be 8 feet tall and built like Chewbacca…
i'm consistently impressed with the quality of these thought experiments, i have to admit every time i see one of RP's videos recommended part of me expects them to be forgettable or cringe because of the title/concept and i'm always wrong. they're always entertaining, thought-out and backed up with just the right amount of rationality and "fuck it why not" dryness. when will i learn. when will i learn to trust him
This got me thinking about building a whole Kingdom Hearts side story around Kairi as a keyblade wielder; it’s maybe not like Riku going through his own play through in worlds Sora has visited but mixing in new stuff. Though, my obvious biases make it very difficult for me not to use Black Cauldron, Rescuers, or more modern Disney movies like Zootopia or Moana.
No need for the "(and Setzer)" correction when it came to non-Nomura characters, as he actually was made and designed by him. Even though Amano was still the lead character designer of VI, both Setzer and Shadow were Nomura creations, which is why he wound up using the former for KH2.
Now do a version where copyright isn’t an obstacle and Kingdom Hearts can use any series it wants
Wizard of Oz would be a shoo-in, then! And they could do some amazing stuff with Game Central Station from Wreck-It Ralph, like actually have Mario show up. :D
That would be awesome.
I have you covered on the Wizard of Oz thing, mostly with the 2017 Boomerang cartoon.
We need Harry Potter, Doctor Who, Transformers, and Ben 10 in this scenario.
For whatever reason, I now really want to go to planet Pop Star from the Kirby series in KH.
18:25 imagining tiny little Olivia trapped alongside the other princesses of heart in those human-sized rock candy pods
Deep jungle would have been in some of the sequels, but not the first game.
Same with Olympus Coliseum
Jungle Book is the perfect replacement for Tarzan, hopefully in KH4.
Idea for Alternate Universe: What if Sora turned the disney villains from KH 1 into Heartless and Nobodies when he defeated them and their Nobodies made a quasi-organization. What would they look like, names and what would they do if they were involved in KH 2? Maleficent's whole situation in that would change.
It is genuinely weird that Maleficent, in particular, did not become a Heartless and Nobody after she got stab'd. But I guess we can chalk that one up to "the plot said so".
I'd like to think that Maleficent simply can't be turned into a heartless for whatever reason otherwise there have been plenty of opportunities for it to happen. Hell, part of me feels like she might not even have a heart to lose, however it is that's actually possible.
For the Robin Hood sora redesign you could use his original design you know the lion one?
Yes
The Main Characters from Lady and The Tramp, the Aristocrats, Fox and the Hound (as much as I'd like to see it get its world featured in a future kh game, although its unlikely) and Oliver and Company are more likely to be summons in a future KH game.
I didnt expect to see my boy Firion here but I am very pleasantly surprised
I think having replacing Black Caldron world with a fully realized Disney Castle world would make more sense.
this idea is a lot more interesting than i first thought! can't wait for your next go around with KH2 1995 edition!
Pat: I don't think we can make Maid Marian a Princess of Heart
Me: I don't think I can get behind this.
Pat: Also let's make Figment a summon.
Me: YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN
Thank you for giving Figment some light to shine! I miss that funny little dude
23:33 these kind of subtle jokes in your videos are what get me every time
I know this video is two years old, but I just noticed: If Ratigan isn't related to the villain council, why would he be looking for the Keyhole? He wouldn't even know what that is!
Love these KH re-imaginings, this and the crocodile timeline are among my fav vids of yours.
I sometimes write a bit of my own KH4 fanfic for a writing warm up and the name I settled on for Great Mouse Detective is "Mousey London"
you should totally do a follow up to this where kh1 came out 10 years LATER in 2012. I’d love to see that lol
I really hope you continue this idea with kh2 and beyond. It’s a really interesting idea of what could’ve been by going back even 10 years
I’m really curious how the characters would have looked in 90’s Kingdom Hearts. Like you said, we are dealing with pre-Nomura Final Fantasy. Pre “street fashion with lots of belts and zippers” Final Fantasy. I find the idea of seeing Donald Duck and Goofy drawn in Yoshitaka Amano’s art style hilarious, but I’m sure the official artwork would actually be gorgeous. Hmm, the whole game would probably commit more to a fairytale aesthetic in this hypothetical scenario.
My girlfriend and I got a huge laugh out of you covering up Mike with the subscribe button. Was very entertaining.
Basil as a party member works well enough on its own merits when considering how he takes a lot from Sherlock Holmes, and while it wasn't his primary trait, Holmes was absolutely combat capable. Add in some Kingdom Hearts shenanigans on top of that and Basil would certainly function well as a party member.
This is both a really interesting way to create a different style of the game, and also a reminder that there should have been some more early Disney and Final Fantasy content in the series.
I especially would have loved, loved, LOVED to see some of these cameos from earlier Final Fantasy in the actual games.
I'm way more familiar with the pre-FF6 games than the post-FF6 ones (thanks to the GBA), so appearances by Cecil and a secret boss fight with Golbez would have me out of my seat with excitement!! Even the FF2 characters like Firion and the pirate lady, I would be like WHA-----!?!?
Aw, if only.... x'D
It was released in 2002 and it was likely actually sometime around 2000 that development actually started, so Square and Disney both were still riding high on the successes of the mid-late 90s, is my bet for what happened.
If I were you I would've kept the Quadrapedal worlds even after putting Jungle Book in the line up since you could realistically have Sora be a human in there and just change Donald and Goofy into actual animals which I think could make it worth it for the visual alone. SDG could meet with Mowgli, Baloo and Bagheera, who decide to go with SDG (with only Baloo or Mowgli actually being in the party). It could really be an interesting dynamic with Sora indirectly setting off the plot of the movie in this hypothetical, telling Mowgli about all kinds of things humans have and do, sparking him to want to go back to the world of man.
You should do one if kh1 was released 10yrs later
This video is so creative, I'm currently rewatching it for the 2nd time
Realistically, if it was made ten years earlier they probably would have used the princess worlds here instead of bbs so people wouldn’t complain about their non-inclusion, but this was so much more interesting. Also I love the new villain council and the bit about Sher Kahn over Ratigan.
I feel like if Square really did team up with Disney for a 1992 release it would have been closer to Super Mario RPG but with an entirely Mickey-based setting and cast of characters.
This is so well done. Awesome job Pat!!
14:50 since Cloud's whole part of the story was struggling between light and darkness, this could be a Cecil who is still struggling with the morality of his actions. He seeks power alone. Power to right his wrongs but power nonetheless. So he could be with the king to hone his skills as a Dark Knight to get revenge on the darkness that took him home, but through interacting with Sora awakens to the power of the Paladin and instead banishes the darkness from this world
oooo nice you used one of my arrangements in the intro too! :D
As far as Final Fantasy characters go, I think Garland could fit well as a secret boss in the Robin Hood world due to him being an evil knight, plus his horns are bull-like, fitting in with the animal motif. Perhaps he could even be a mercenary hired by King John.
This freaking 90's Kingdom Hearts that you created, my man, it would sell like water in the desert, and i would play my soul out of it
a Figment summon is so incredibly based what a concept. I need it immediately in real life
The one thing with this idea I would change, don't fight the sherif of Nottingham in place of Cerberus. How about for that fight, use those rhino brutes from the chase scene in Robin Hood. Then the sherif can act in place of the Hades fight.
When you brought up Figment as a summon I nearly lost my shit. Every time I go to Disney World for some stupid reason I always look forward to getting on the Figment ride...there's a million other rides better then that one, but for some reason Figment just entertains the hell out of me and I would pay good money to see him interact with SDG.
Id love to see someone do a mockup of all of this in SNES FF graphics. Maybe it could have even been an action RPG since Secret of Mana was a thing. Also I dont know where to put this but I loved Steamboat Willy in KH2 because of Mickey Mania for snes
Because you were confused about Rydia's age - go play the DS remake / steam port of FF4. It's such a FANTASTIC game ❤️ Also, super cool video idea :3
Honestly, the Robin Hood world could work if the Sheriff of Nottingham took Hades' place manipulating Cecil or working with Cecil on Prince John's orders to find Golbez/reunite with Rosa and take Hades' place as a boss in it instead of Cerberus
Using similar logic for Haley Joel Osment, I have no doubt Macaulay Culkin would voice Sora.
Nice job! Just two considerations that crossed my mind: I see Prince John more with a Clayton role, not one of the bad guys, but just a victim of his own darkness. And since you mentioned Garland, he could replace the Ice Titan as a secret boss. In that way we'll have two FF bosses, but whatever.
And make the Villain Council Maleficent, Garland, Shere Khan, Ursula, Captain Hook, and the Horned King. Cause it’s weird that there are no Final Fantasy villains on that initial Council.
Okay, I’ve been binging your content like crazy this week and not only have you gained a subscriber but I think you’re officially one of my favorite channels!! (because obviously my opinion matters so much but anyway) You feel exactly the way I do about KH1, which none of my friends do, so that’s been so unexpectedly validating! And you make informative videos while also being hilarious and creative AND you even like Spyro too so I really hope you keep making content!!! (Okay, run-on-sentence-thirst-rant over, sorry people!)
Hey thanks! i am to be something of a lorax for KH1 goblins like you and I
i know we need to fill out as many full worlds as possible but since you mentioned big ben being in two worlds, and the great mouse detective world is when you’re tiny, there’s something to be considered in maybe making Neverland and that world connected, i know the usual ‘not having disney worlds touch eachother’ is usually prioritized but it could be like a kh2 tron and stitch in hollow bastion leading them to the world, it could be interesting!
So creative. What a banger video with a lot of research.
I love the idea of Arthur as a replacement for Beast in Hollow Bastion. Release the Regular Pat cut!
Man, I can't really think of any specifics right now because it's been an actual eternity since I last saw it, but from the vague memories I do have of it, I think The Rescuers would make for a very fun world. Rest of the picks are spot on.
You are so creative 4real.
So fascinating to think about all this
Can we suggest other alternative timeline ideas? Here's one if you like: What if Sora actually listened to Kairi when she said she wanted to join him on his search for Riku back in KH1?
Alternatively, what if Sora, Riku, *and* Kairi teamed up to fight Xemnas in KH2 once Kairi got her keyblade, and then went on to train as a trio in KHDDD?
And in case you're wondering, yes someone already made a mod featuring the Destiny Trio fighting the final battles of KH2. Here's the video by Napstio ( m.ruclips.net/video/QJ08tQTT-aw/видео.html )
Ok, this right here, THIS I am in love with
I feel like it'd be wacky if instead of an adult King Arthur, the party member in Hollow Bastion is Scrooge McDuck, who's been trapped there for the past 10 years since Radiant Garden imploded (even though that wouldn't be referenced), and fights using a moveset not dissimilar to how he handles in the NES Ducktales, which would've been out for a few years by 1992. He'd volunteer to stay behind and protect the Princesses of Heart, and then you bring him back to Traverse Town after the second visit so he can reunite with Huey, Dewey, and Louie.
My only comment about the FF characters was that instead of taking the protags of FF3, you could have taken the guest party members, who had an established character even in the original
I honestly was not expecting this to be as thorough and well thought out as it ended up being. Loved it.
17:47 Oh my god HE HAS THE BERSERK APOSTLE BRAND ON HIS SLEEVE
(conspiracy theory)
dude this video was amazing! I love concepts like this. Do more in the future for sure!
I absolutely love your ideas for the Robin Hood world! Setting it during the archery tournament to replace the Olympus Coliseum is genius and arguably more thematically fitting than the real game!
I could totally envision KH on SNES as, like, an action RPG in the vein of Star Ocean or Secret of Mana.
What I wanna know is, what would a PS1 KH be like?
XenoGears is what I imagined a PS1 KH would be. Platforming with a combo system in the combat
Dude, a boss fight with Garland would make sense because of time travel added in later sequels!
Putting Fighter or warrior of Light into KH sounds kind of awesome though.
This was a super cool concept and a very interesting experiment! I think it might have also been cool to do sort of what timeless River did in KH2 and Disney Town in BBS and explore the worlds of Mickey Mouse and Friends cartoons or maybe some of the very early Disney Channel cartoons like Gummi Bears. Kudos to coming up with a counterpart for every game element! Good stuff!
Great video Pat!! I love that you really went through the worlds to make sure everything was considered for continuity.
13:25 for those who are curious.
Rydia starts as a 7-ish Summoner (I don't actually know the age so I'll just assume the video is correct) but after quite a rough encounter, Leviathan brings her to the Land of Eidolons and trains her. Time flows differently in this realm of Summoned Beasts, so she basically gets a Hyperbolic Time Chamber training montage and when she next appears she has grown like 10 years and is now a young woman with great mastery over all forms of magic.
So while she has lived through like 16+ years of her life, only 7 years have passed since her birth