i like how us australian are raised seeing this as a problem when people are literally starving, fighting and dieing all over the wirld but one word in our anthem is the problem? what is wrong with us
America is the only super power of the world , because it has separate itself from old the British and redefine itself according to its people not according to some 300 years old history
@@heshamk4824 Actually America had most of it's history being almost entirely European immigration up until the middle of the 20th century, even then they were very careful with how many people from catholic countries they let in as they potentially posed a threat to freedom of religion/ separation of church and state if they got a large enough voting block...sorry dude America became the super power because it was founded by Anglo-saxons and imported Europeans...it would not be what it is today and if Europe and the rest of the western world continue with their demographic shift it will never be what it was.
Lord Humungous Actually America has been a very unstable and poor country For more than 120 years , it was a war torn countries, and it power status has started in the 1940s and 1950s . Thanks to the stolen Land and resources from the native Americans and then to the black Strong labors and farmers and Of course Europe Science . Can u imagine America without the Gigantic contribution of all the black , Asian , Muslim people ? ! Can u imagine America still being ruled by London ! Can u imagine America with racism and discrimination and without freedom ? These values that The people fought for and these are the values gives USA it culture superiority over countries like Australia
@@heshamk4824 yes i can, without slavery some greedy rich cotton farmer would have had to lose a few more pennies hiring workers, slavery was an appalling part of history and the fact of the matter is people resorted to it in every culture for most of human history not because they absolutely needed it but because it was convenient, without slaves I think the people who built Europe and made it the continent of global power houses would have found a way, sure culture and music would have taken a hit but the united states would still be more or less where it is minus the sin of slavery. As for asians yeah they have done a lot, brilliant minds, very law abiding community orientated but again not essential to the US having become the global super power, muslims? You would have to clarify why America needs/needed muslims but again no America would still be America...without these groups America would be different but it would still be America and it would still be a world super power, the essential ingredient was European, especially anglo-saxon people, ideas, cultures and values.
Lord Humungous Bravo 👏🏼 You make me laugh it’s about percentage now ha , and yeah by the way yeah even muslims Great American achievement is done entirely by Muslim and Arabs . the word Racist is little for U , Okay Anglo saxon and European , the only Human race and other are just accessories 😂😂😂 🤷🏼♂️👍please Go back to your Home Europe and Leave the NEW world , and Never come until You can a NEW way of thinking , if u Miss your Old fucked british empire go back England , kiss your Queen Ass and Drink Tea 🍵
It's too late. Soon the people that carry the values that built Australia will become the minority and won't play a decisive role in the elections. The problem is that some of them live in an illusion that bringing in 3-rd cultures is progress. You can't change anything. Australia is not Australia anymore.
@@zackjohnson9204 Australia doesn't have a real identity. Honestly, this country is largely bare of any kind of genuine ethnic or national identity. In my opinion, this is not necessarily a bad thing. More countries should be like us.
@@zackjohnson9204 European/British nationalism is basically just serving the purpose of filling an empty void. What actually makes Australia unique as a country in its own right? How much culture is actually unique to us alone? Obviously, most of the exclusively-Australian culture belongs to the Indigenous Australian peoples, who have lived here for tens of thousands of years, maintaining various unique cultures for tens of thousands of years. The colonial British/European culture that has existed in Australia since 1788 cannot at all compare to the rich cultural heritage of the indigenous inhabitants of this land. That is undeniable. I think a lot of these white nationalists in Australia are ashamed and insecure about the shallowness of their flimsy national identity. So they double down on the lie.
Criminals sent by uk etc is to be held in high regard? Australia has extremely violent and oppressive regions because of colonizers being also white supremacists who just wanted to find gold or riches and move back to homelands. Maybe seek out better forefathers by glowing as multicultural society and upheld your proud attitude of being economically viable. Democracy, secularism and human rights can never be viewed as mistake, unless done with caricature of what they suppose to represend.
Disappointing. For a video that had the word debate in the title this was very one sided in the opinions that were expressed. This could have been so much more than just another woke hit piece aimed at discrediting the importance of nationalism and all that goes with it. Sadly it wasn’t.
Is identity dependent on being franchised ? Could you please explain how becoming disenfranchised changes one's identity ? This contains a lot of statements but no reasoning. I cannot say "I am the greatest" and have it accepted if it has no reasoning.
as a chinese immigrant to Australia， I am unable to find my identity. I'm either Chinese, or Australian. And the multiculture society ideology just put me into that Chinese culture box, which I'm not represent it
No genuine debate has really ever taken place concerning Australia Day, ever. Oh sure there’s been a great deal of politicking, activism, advocacy, championing, and virtue signalling heavy crusading, but no debate. And altogether throughout Australia’s media, predominantly our national debate has been the ongoing postmodern Ruling Classes, pushing its own interpretation, contrivance of Australian history. It's a colossal injustice and a gross display of ingratitude to the millions of early Australians (including aboriginals) who toiled, suffered and literally died in order to build this nation into a modern, successful country.
Honestly, I feel like once 'the date' is changed, we can ALL finally accept Australia as a Nationality. I've never called myself an Australian. I've always said Aboriginal. But I AM Australian. And I AM Indigenous. It's so weird how these two things can be separated like that - if I just say I'm Australian, am I hiding my indigenous identity? And if I say i'm Aboriginal, am I not Australian? But what if i say i'm Aboriginal Australian or an indigenous Australian - BUT WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO? I just wish we could erase race and ethnicity from our national identity. It's just so complicated. I feel like I'm not Australian, or not Australian enough and people who aren't immigrants- first, second, or third generation, just can't seem to understand this separation. ugh, it's messy. #changethedate #makeitm8
Ok, the change the date debate is an issue over exaggerated by the media constantly braodcasted to attracted audiences. The issue is very minor compared to the more important matters that can affect the everyday lives of Australians. Even if the date was changed there are some days that are of importance to Australia that it can be changed to examples being December 3rd (Eureka stockade) and January 1st (Federation).
I think you may be simplifying the problem and might have missed the point of the Australia Day debate. Those dates you suggested both have colonial implications and are thus equally unsuitable for many Australians as a day to celebrate our nation.
@@hamez1300 Yes, it was. But it was fought by colonial gold miners, so the date is still as irrelevant to First Nations peoples of Australia as January 26.
This is tots fixable. 1. Make ‘AD’ Jan 1 as that was when Australia as a country came into being. However as this is already a public holiday have the only official recognition be the release of the Australia Day honours list. Apart from that nothing else happens. 2. Gazette the AD public holiday to fall on either the last Mon or Fri of Jan (whichever is closest to the end of the month). This way those who would benefit from a Fri public holiday would get a go. 3. Rename Jan 26 as ‘Invasion Day’ and treat it with the same solemnity as ANZAC Day (dawn service) 4. Have a treaty signed off by the GG (on behalf of the Australian government) and to ensure global recognition, the UN Sec Gen. All it takes is some leadership.
3. Renaming Jan 26 as 'Invasion Day' only panders to a minority and insults the majority. I mean, to a minority the day that Europeans arrived might be considered as an invasion, but to the majority that is the day when their ancestors first arrived in the country. You have to be realistic. 4. Why in the world would the Australian government agree to anything that would put them at a disadvantage with some sort of treaty after all the years of having sole sovereignty of the Australian nation just because a minority want to share it? Does the Australian government then have a treaty with every other minority that is represented in Australia?
@@lightningfun6486 Possession of New South Wales was formally declared on the 26th after landing at Sydney Cove and planting the Union flag, that's when they (the First Fleet) really arrived.
The bald white guy is kinda right to be Australian you have to be white its because white people created that word they created they own identity and culture what makes them Australian tbh anyone can be Australian no matter what race i know that 90 percent of population of Australia is white i see why they represent Australia its believe that any immigrants can't be Australian they may became a citizen of Australia generally because they haven't live in australia over a century white aussies live in australia for 300 years they emigrated from Europe while the original Australian live here more than 80,000 yeats
you don't have to be white to be australian nowadays, but you did back then. Now, we're working towards a better future where anyone that lives here is considered a part of that Australian community
@@brandonlee6536 I here that London whites are a minority now. Would Pakistan be celebrating the level of diversity if it became a white christian majority?
@Zero Down there is no such thing as Judeo Christian. It is a contradiction. Jews do not believe in the messiah. They are still waiting. Christians believe Jews are close minded and will all die at the end of the days at the second coming of Christ. You are just parroting the term judeo Christian without knowing what it actually means.
@Zero Down chinese people who came to australia in the 1800s? then the japanese in the 40s? How about the culture in North Australia (aboriginal)? Yes in fact south australia is european but there are more than just 1 identity. and btw i dont agree with muslims in Australia.
Honestly, I feel like once 'the date' is changed, we can ALL finally accept Australia as a Nationality. I've never called myself an Australian. I've always said Aboriginal. But I AM Australian. And I AM Indigenous. It's so weird how these two things can be separated like that - if I just say I'm Australian, am I hiding my indigenous identity? And if I say i'm Aboriginal, am I not Australian? But what if i say i'm Aboriginal Australian or an indigenous Australian - BUT WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO? I just wish we could erase race and ethnicity from our national identity. It's just so complicated. I feel like I'm not Australian, or not Australian enough and people who aren't immigrants- first, second, or third generation, just can't seem to understand this separation. ugh, it's messy. #changethedate #makeitm8
whos here from a school project 🙋♀️👇
are you australian
@@WinnerTaker cant say, stranger danger
same
Are they teaching you this rubbish in schools?
@@bigmate4721 Based Aussie wojak.
i like how us australian are raised seeing this as a problem when people are literally starving, fighting and dieing all over the wirld but one word in our anthem is the problem? what is wrong with us
You cannot delete our history and heritage!
Stay proud, Australia! Sons and daughters of Europe!
America is the only super power of the world , because it has separate itself from old the British and redefine itself according to its people not according to some 300 years old history
@@heshamk4824 Actually America had most of it's history being almost entirely European immigration up until the middle of the 20th century, even then they were very careful with how many people from catholic countries they let in as they potentially posed a threat to freedom of religion/ separation of church and state if they got a large enough voting block...sorry dude America became the super power because it was founded by Anglo-saxons and imported Europeans...it would not be what it is today and if Europe and the rest of the western world continue with their demographic shift it will never be what it was.
Lord Humungous Actually America has been a very unstable and poor country For more than 120 years , it was a war torn countries, and it power status has started in the 1940s and 1950s . Thanks to the stolen Land and resources from the native Americans and then to the black Strong labors and farmers and Of course Europe Science .
Can u imagine America without the Gigantic contribution of all the black , Asian , Muslim people ? ! Can u imagine America still being ruled by London !
Can u imagine America with racism and discrimination and without freedom ? These values that The people fought for and these are the values gives USA it culture superiority over countries like Australia
@@heshamk4824 yes i can, without slavery some greedy rich cotton farmer would have had to lose a few more pennies hiring workers, slavery was an appalling part of history and the fact of the matter is people resorted to it in every culture for most of human history not because they absolutely needed it but because it was convenient, without slaves I think the people who built Europe and made it the continent of global power houses would have found a way, sure culture and music would have taken a hit but the united states would still be more or less where it is minus the sin of slavery. As for asians yeah they have done a lot, brilliant minds, very law abiding community orientated but again not essential to the US having become the global super power, muslims? You would have to clarify why America needs/needed muslims but again no America would still be America...without these groups America would be different but it would still be America and it would still be a world super power, the essential ingredient was European, especially anglo-saxon people, ideas, cultures and values.
Lord Humungous Bravo 👏🏼 You make me laugh it’s about percentage now ha , and yeah by the way yeah even muslims Great American achievement is done entirely by Muslim and Arabs . the word Racist is little for U , Okay Anglo saxon and European , the only Human race and other are just accessories 😂😂😂 🤷🏼♂️👍please Go back to your Home Europe and Leave the NEW world , and Never come until You can a NEW way of thinking , if u Miss your Old fucked british empire go back England , kiss your Queen Ass and Drink Tea 🍵
Australia needs to keep its identity that's what our ancestors would want cause they did built this country and created our culture 🇭🇲
@Zero Down well said
It's too late. Soon the people that carry the values that built Australia will become the minority and won't play a decisive role in the elections.
The problem is that some of them live in an illusion that bringing in 3-rd cultures is progress. You can't change anything. Australia is not Australia anymore.
@@zackjohnson9204 Australia doesn't have a real identity. Honestly, this country is largely bare of any kind of genuine ethnic or national identity. In my opinion, this is not necessarily a bad thing. More countries should be like us.
@@zackjohnson9204 European/British nationalism is basically just serving the purpose of filling an empty void. What actually makes Australia unique as a country in its own right? How much culture is actually unique to us alone? Obviously, most of the exclusively-Australian culture belongs to the Indigenous Australian peoples, who have lived here for tens of thousands of years, maintaining various unique cultures for tens of thousands of years. The colonial British/European culture that has existed in Australia since 1788 cannot at all compare to the rich cultural heritage of the indigenous inhabitants of this land. That is undeniable. I think a lot of these white nationalists in Australia are ashamed and insecure about the shallowness of their flimsy national identity. So they double down on the lie.
Criminals sent by uk etc is to be held in high regard? Australia has extremely violent and oppressive regions because of colonizers being also white supremacists who just wanted to find gold or riches and move back to homelands. Maybe seek out better forefathers by glowing as multicultural society and upheld your proud attitude of being economically viable. Democracy, secularism and human rights can never be viewed as mistake, unless done with caricature of what they suppose to represend.
I am proud to be black, said the black man.
I am proud to asian, said the asian man
I am proud to be white, said the racist.
Les Griffiths
LOL Les.
@@mickcarson8504 Is it ok to be White? Do white lives matter?
POV: school told you to watch this video
yup, at home learning at the start of 2022!
Disappointing.
For a video that had the word debate in the title this was very one sided in the opinions that were expressed.
This could have been so much more than just another woke hit piece aimed at discrediting the importance of nationalism and all that goes with it.
Sadly it wasn’t.
Is identity dependent on being franchised ? Could you please explain how becoming disenfranchised changes one's identity ?
This contains a lot of statements but no reasoning. I cannot say "I am the greatest" and have it accepted if it has no reasoning.
I'm proud to be a white Australian, my ancestors built this nation.
BASED BASED BASED
Same!! 🇦🇺
👍🇭🇲🍻
ALL RACES BUILT AUSTRALIA
@Zero Down all*
as a chinese immigrant to Australia， I am unable to find my identity. I'm either Chinese, or Australian. And the multiculture society ideology just put me into that Chinese culture box, which I'm not represent it
No genuine debate has really ever taken place concerning Australia Day, ever. Oh sure there’s been a great deal of politicking, activism, advocacy, championing, and virtue signalling heavy crusading, but no debate.
And altogether throughout Australia’s media, predominantly our national debate has been the ongoing postmodern Ruling Classes, pushing its own interpretation, contrivance of Australian history. It's a colossal injustice and a gross display of ingratitude to the millions of early Australians (including aboriginals) who toiled, suffered and literally died in order to build this nation into a modern, successful country.
Honestly, I feel like once 'the date' is changed, we can ALL finally accept Australia as a Nationality. I've never called myself an Australian. I've always said Aboriginal. But I AM Australian. And I AM Indigenous. It's so weird how these two things can be separated like that - if I just say I'm Australian, am I hiding my indigenous identity? And if I say i'm Aboriginal, am I not Australian? But what if i say i'm Aboriginal Australian or an indigenous Australian - BUT WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO? I just wish we could erase race and ethnicity from our national identity. It's just so complicated. I feel like I'm not Australian, or not Australian enough and people who aren't immigrants- first, second, or third generation, just can't seem to understand this separation. ugh, it's messy. #changethedate #makeitm8
girl.. why did u comment twice? 👀👀👀
@jo dirt Everyone immigrated to what Europeans named Australia, if you go far enough back in time.
@Kesho shavs And then the Muslims can give Spain back to the Visigothic Kingdom.
Gurl …even if that date would change people would still hate sorry
Ok, the change the date debate is an issue over exaggerated by the media constantly braodcasted to attracted audiences. The issue is very minor compared to the more important matters that can affect the everyday lives of Australians. Even if the date was changed there are some days that are of importance to Australia that it can be changed to examples being December 3rd (Eureka stockade) and January 1st (Federation).
I think you may be simplifying the problem and might have missed the point of the Australia Day debate. Those dates you suggested both have colonial implications and are thus equally unsuitable for many Australians as a day to celebrate our nation.
@@herecomesthesunking1269 Wasn’t the Eureka stockade literally a fight against colonial police forces?
@@hamez1300 Yes, it was. But it was fought by colonial gold miners, so the date is still as irrelevant to First Nations peoples of Australia as January 26.
This is tots fixable.
1. Make ‘AD’ Jan 1 as that was when Australia as a country came into being. However as this is already a public holiday have the only official recognition be the release of the Australia Day honours list. Apart from that nothing else happens.
2. Gazette the AD public holiday to fall on either the last Mon or Fri of Jan (whichever is closest to the end of the month). This way those who would benefit from a Fri public holiday would get a go.
3. Rename Jan 26 as ‘Invasion Day’ and treat it with the same solemnity as ANZAC Day (dawn service)
4. Have a treaty signed off by the GG (on behalf of the Australian government) and to ensure global recognition, the UN Sec Gen.
All it takes is some leadership.
3. Renaming Jan 26 as 'Invasion Day' only panders to a minority and insults the majority. I mean, to a minority the day that Europeans arrived might be considered as an invasion, but to the majority that is the day when their ancestors first arrived in the country. You have to be realistic.
4. Why in the world would the Australian government agree to anything that would put them at a disadvantage with some sort of treaty after all the years of having sole sovereignty of the Australian nation just because a minority want to share it? Does the Australian government then have a treaty with every other minority that is represented in Australia?
@@echelon2k8 plus they didn’t arrive on the 26th they arrived on the 13th
@@lightningfun6486 Possession of New South Wales was formally declared on the 26th after landing at Sydney Cove and planting the Union flag, that's when they (the First Fleet) really arrived.
@@echelon2k8 yes possession but they physically arrived on the 13th
@@echelon2k8 at Botany Bay
What a joke 😂
Ok what?
The joke is?
teach the children
Tbh Australia is the most boring country to learn about
Those speakers are the boring ones
I’m Australian and I agree
i hate school
same lil fella 😴😴😴😴😵😵😵😵😪😪😪😪😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠
The bald white guy is kinda right to be Australian you have to be white its because white people created that word they created they own identity and culture what makes them Australian tbh anyone can be Australian no matter what race i know that 90 percent of population of Australia is white i see why they represent Australia its believe that any immigrants can't be Australian they may became a citizen of Australia generally because they haven't live in australia over a century white aussies live in australia for 300 years they emigrated from Europe while the original Australian live here more than 80,000 yeats
you don't have to be white to be australian nowadays, but you did back then. Now, we're working towards a better future where anyone that lives here is considered a part of that Australian community
Lots of white experts in this video guys...
Ryan Aun Is there something wrong with that?
@james field this just shows that australians are all white (which is not true) so yes ,there is something wrong with that
@@brandonlee6536 You Moved to a white Country. Imagen if I went to your country and whined about it being to choco.
@@lotsofsparks32 I'm British from a white family but living in Australia and i know a lot of settlers here that aren't white
@@brandonlee6536 I here that London whites are a minority now. Would Pakistan be celebrating the level of diversity if it became a white christian majority?
jarrod pretorious
We were never asked.
Australia was never mono cultural.
It was between 1901 and 1973 with the white Australia policy.
@@bigmate4721 Not really. There were many cultures during that period that lived side by side
@Zero Down totally wrong. Not all Europeans and within the Europeans, not the same culture or beliefs. Or do you mean all white and Christian’s??
@Zero Down there is no such thing as Judeo Christian. It is a contradiction. Jews do not believe in the messiah. They are still waiting. Christians believe Jews are close minded and will all die at the end of the days at the second coming of Christ. You are just parroting the term judeo Christian without knowing what it actually means.
@Zero Down chinese people who came to australia in the 1800s? then the japanese in the 40s? How about the culture in North Australia (aboriginal)? Yes in fact south australia is european but there are more than just 1 identity. and btw i dont agree with muslims in Australia.
i hate school
Honestly, I feel like once 'the date' is changed, we can ALL finally accept Australia as a Nationality. I've never called myself an Australian. I've always said Aboriginal. But I AM Australian. And I AM Indigenous. It's so weird how these two things can be separated like that - if I just say I'm Australian, am I hiding my indigenous identity? And if I say i'm Aboriginal, am I not Australian? But what if i say i'm Aboriginal Australian or an indigenous Australian - BUT WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO? I just wish we could erase race and ethnicity from our national identity. It's just so complicated. I feel like I'm not Australian, or not Australian enough and people who aren't immigrants- first, second, or third generation, just can't seem to understand this separation. ugh, it's messy. #changethedate #makeitm8