Bro i stopped the video when you started talking about a license to modd these titles. BRO THESE GAMES ARE LITERALLY UNSAFE TO PLAY BRO BECAUSE OF MODDERS AND HACKERS ON THE GAMES DUDE. Like really, dude i used to hold this channel and such high regard and to see you giving Activision the biggest Hawk-Tua of any other content creator on any platform (including Jev, espresso, faze members on twitter, and many many more that have come out and said something about this) its sad bro. The modders made a mod to allow people to experience an old game safely.... the fact that you said " I just got put back in Activisions good graces", then proceed to say someone else is biased is hilarious, and pure hypocrisy. Must be Nice being on the Activison payroll.
I am being so for real when I say this: are you cognitively impaired in some way? are you drunk maybe? like what is wrong with you? bro just wrote fanfiction in my comments section to justify hating on me like WTF LMAO
They knew this was gonna happen and make him a martyr 😭😭 speaks his truth and those of others but it means they have a reason to not reach out again… even after fans hoping he and activision would have a relationship for years
Dude honestly he’s taking it lightly on them. I can’t believe that we have come to a point in this world. where people that will buy this game without even thinking about it. I too was that guy but this evil company must COMPLETELY FALL. We can’t let this bs continue anymore
calls it like he sees it. just so happens that activision is alienating their entire community too. I hope more of these mainstream cod channels start calling them out on their bs
What gets my blood boiling on top of all of this is how they refuse to patch the older games that still go for $60 on steam and let hackers go rampant. You need to install clients just to run the games without fear of getting hacked. It’s truly a sad time for COD.
@@Thearchon592the problem is that these games are priced at a high value and yet are unsafe to play. Also if you don’t know people still do like to play the og cod games and I’m pretty sure there are a couple of corporations that still update their old games or at the very least keep it hacker-free.
@@Beta_Extraz24 I know people still play the games I am saying activision doesn’t care there isn’t a rule for them to go back to these games nor lower the prices I know it’s depressing but it’s the truth they don’t have to support these titles after there done
They dont support any of their games and only care about their shop and shutting down anything that’ll take a penny away from their profits. The same bugs have been in this game since 2019. The shop bugged out and was fixed in 3mins.
@@wilson0213 bro just because you were hyped doesn't mean it got traction or that it was big. Even the Google trends agree with me that it only really started getting traction a few days before Activision sent the letter. And Activision being a big ass company takes a few days to make any decision. The likelihood of them purposefully waiting for it to be the day before is schizo levels of low. I've given you many reasons for why they wouldn't and you can't name one for why they would besides "they're evil" well even evil things need to be rationalized nobody does things for literally nothing it's impossible
@@kennymccormick8295 i mean is it not insane? Someone who just got a relationship with activision again is still willing to speak his truth and speak out for another community and is ready to call out said company on its bullshit
Yeah this is great to know there’s a RUclipsr with some actual integrity who is true to his word. I don’t even watch his content a ton anymore but I still think he’s a genuinely good dude, I hope things work out for him
Surprising that you didn't mention that the ENTIRE battle royale genre (aka fortnite, warzone, etc) all spawned off a mod, too. Day Z was originally an Arma mod, playerunknown created a battle royale mod of Day Z (mod of a mod), which then turned into its own game and resulted in its own insane popularity, followed shortly thereafter by fortnite, which then inspired warzone. Activision's own massive cash cow exists due to the modding scene. Feels like that would've been the perfect example given the context. CSGO and League are good examples too, but not directly tied to ATVI
@@MrRoflWaffles thanks! You’re one of the few content creators I consistently watch. Thank you for putting in all the effort you do in your videos. They seriously help and are a joy to watch 🤙
I work on a mod called Skywind, which is a Skyrim mod that aims to remake an older Elder Scrolls title called Morrowind in its entirety. I don't believe Bethesda has explicitly said we need to require users to have both Skyrim and Morrowind installed, but we require it in good faith. So far we are in good standings with Bethesda as we have a solid communication line with them - though, there hasn't been an official endorsement yet. Maybe this is what H2M was missing? Requiring users to have MW2 installed?
Nah, Bethesda don’t care about modern cause it keeps their shit games alive. Activision hates modders cause they want all players on their newer title where they can squeeze playtime and cod points from them.
MW2R campaign isn’t on steam, only MWR is unless you are talking about the 2009 MW2 which wouldn’t make any sense because to my knowledge they didn’t take any assets from MW2 2009, they remade assets and ripped some assets from MW2R campaign.
The ripped assets would be the issue. From what I understand you guys remake most of the Morrowind assets from scratch, where as H2M used ripped MW2/MW2R assets. Plus MWR doesn't have official mod tools and thus no explicit permission for this sort of user generated content to be made in the first place, let alone any sort of guidelines to determine what mods are allowed to be made. As someone working on a large mod project within a community that's seen this sort of event before, I've learnt it's important to try follow the EULA of whatever you're modding to avoid this sort of issue. Can't wait to see more of Skywind. You guys are setting the standard for large scale mods.
Putting a sale up for the game and then immediately ceasing and desisting the mod after it ended is just pure fucking evil and greed. It's actually impressive, it's like shit you see in the movies.
Yep its liie they saw what the great thibg bethesda did with the release of fallout london and went we will do that but then crush their dreams after making proffit
Massive respect for choosing your integrity over a business relationship with Activision. Potentially losing access to the exclusive insight and content Activision has given you but you are still not afraid of speaking up on Activision's bs.
Unrelated, but it's insane that you've put out 36 videos/shorts in the last couple weeks. The amount of content you've put out lately is crazy. We see you working hard, Milo! We see your dedication! Keep doing what you're doing!
yo thank you for noticing this - the absolute OPERATION it has been getting all this content out (especially while travelling!!) has been really challenging at times but seeing comments like this makes it all worth it! More to come ❤
Realistically speaking, I bet there were even some CoD Devs who probably would have wanted to even play that mod, but the executives made the decision to shut it down.
@@knowingbadger he explicitly said he didn’t remember anything before the bus ride at treyarch and said “I don’t think I’m supposed to ask any questions”
All that stuff was recorded a while ago. The marketing team essentially created an ARG with Milo being the main character. I’m assuming they wanted to wait for the right time to release it
We need more content creators like you. Not afraid to get on Activision’s bad side despite being invited to their events throughout the years. Too many shills and corporate bootlickers in this community
Except all the pros and maybe one or two other grinders and completionst. I don't think there's that many bootlicker I say as if that's not most the creators
The thing I find most absurd about all of this is the idea that H2M was ever going to have any impact on BO6. Activision has no reason to believe that, nor does the player-base and community as a whole. Realistically speaking, MW2 is old news and we already got the maps remastered in MW3 2023 not even a full year ago. Anybody who wants old Call of Duty does not really care about new Call of Duty and vise versa. Nobody who loves Warzone and MW3 are gonna drop everything for this remaster. Those who appreciate both will simply play both BO6 and MW2 remastered. I thoroughly and wholeheartedly believe there’s no evidence to suggest that MW2 remastered in the version of a mod for COD4 remastered exclusively on PC would take away from BO6 numbers; that’s simply ridiculous, and Activision taking these measures is equally ridiculous, disappointing, and frankly kind of disgusting.
I think the only logical reason is activision must already have an mw2 remaster in their back pocket and are saving it for a rainy day and probably invested millions into creating it. They wouldn’t want something else existing that does exactly that and was built for freew
I truly feel like huge community mods like this should not be made publicly known up until the release. Send it to trusted creators and they will cover it the day it goes live. Of course, without hype, this might fall flat, but at least, it will give time to the community to download it and maybe play it on their own.
A cease and desist is a lawyer politely telling you to knock it off. If you take that off the table, you're going straight to court with a billion dollar corpo.
Oh the mod is totally active underground. It’s been leaked out and now people are flooding the servers. The cease and desist literally stopped nothing. Now people are just spitting in activision’s face by pirating MWR and shitting on Bo6.
people gotta understand that Treyarch inviting Milo to their offices to play BO6 Zombies is different from Milo being invited to COD Next. Activision handles COD Next, and Treyarch handles these in-studio play-sessions. I imagine Treyarch has a very different relationship with Milo than what Activision does. Still, fuck Activision.
Just so people know, when stuff like this happens in steam, steam is super generous and will allow refunds even if you played it longer than 2 hours. You might have to go directly to steam support, but I’m sure they’ll take care of it for you. Steam is goated.
Hey Milo! Love your videos and how you conduct business on RUclips. Incredibly done video. Only other point I’d mention is how unsafe MWR (and other older CoDs) are. They are so hacked and exploited that they are truly unsafe to play. So, mods are the only safe way to enjoy those older games. Because Activision clearly isn’t going to go back and fix the older games and make them safe again. Looking forward to all the zombies content with BO6!
another good example is that FiveM was its' own mod for GTA 5, Rockstar banned the mod and its' sister mod, and because of enough backlash, Rockstar went back and bought the group that made FiveM and then gave them freedom to do whatever they want. Rockstar also lets LSPDFR and other mods take place on GTA and do nothing. Fortnite has been exceptional with creative because you can MAKE WHATEVER YOU WANT.
The fact that they pick and choose which title to go after within the same IP is crazy. The fact that Rockstar and Bethesda allow this with almost no real involvement for Skyrim and GTA… and let’s not forget that the version of MW2 On PC is a legitimate security risk to your identity and IP address. If they aren’t going to let modelers pick up their slack, they should be willing to at least provide a safe environment to play their original product.
rockstar is a gray area as well. they initially shut the whole thing down and then bought out the modding tool guys and fiveM is now rockstar owned and fully in their control, with A LOT of rules attached. for example you are not allowed to create new games, stories, missions or maps.
The only thing that I can think of that put them in hot water with Activision was that they used MW2 Campaign Remastered assets without requiring the players to own MW2 Campaign Remastered. Because H2M contained weapon models, animations, maps, and some custom maps from MW2CR - that means that they were technically allowing players to use MW2CR content without owning MW2CR. I can't think of any other way they could have had the leeway to do this, because as far as I know, modding in older games is typically accepted unless it's stuff like unlock tools which give the player "paid" content (ie; locked weapons/weapons from crates). That being said, Activision is still scummy as fuck for starting the sale for MWR and then sending out the C&D a day before the mod drops - I cannot fathom how they thought that was a good idea.
the stupid thing is, the people who bought the mwr might have bought bo6, but as it stands they will not be buying bo6, so its a lose situation now for activision. and they know its a big number, or else they would have done nothing
doesnt matter how much we hate activision. everyone will still support them and buy their new releases happens literally every year and we are all guilty of it even myself
I stopped buying CoD games after BO2. MWR was the only purchase I made after like a decade and now they do this. I refunded it. Not interested in their new shit.
Milo we are the same age and I've been following you since I knew what zombies Easter eggs were. (Different accounts) I've never commented before but I have appreciated your unadulterated and unfiltered takes and reviews for literal years. I'm flabbergasted that after your recent escapades with die is cast you still are being yourself. You are an inspiration to people our age and everyone else. Keep being you.
As someone working on a large mod project remaking parts of older games (Halo Reborn), the asset ripping was an immediate red flag. From day one of our project we were considering what assets we could and couldn't use, with assets from newer games in that franchise or one's without official mod support being quickly considered off the table to avoid this exact issue. Ultimately, you are working with an IP you don't own so you need to play by the rules of the IP holder, and that means not taking assets from other games as it would probably count as illegal redistribution and is just asking for a C&D. We've seen this happen before, both within Call of Duty and elsewhere (Halo Online/Eldewrito). If they remade the MW2 assets from scratch rather than ripping them they'd be less likely to get shut down, and if they did this in a game with official mod support like BO3 they'd be almost entirely safe as they'd have clear guidelines in the EULA made by Activision to follow. The only real issue is Activision's intentions being made clear so late, which really was unnecessarily cruel and a spit in the face to H2M's developers along with those that bought MWR to play it.
26:00 so they keep saying "my game my cod my...." what even is cod anymore now that the og devs are gone, it's nothing. cod arguably belongs more to the community than it does to activision, the fans are taking better care of it, showing more passion etc and trying their best to keep it alive (again, unlike activision)
PSA: if you’ve played more than 2 hours, state that you bought the game for the purpose of playing a mod that was cease and desisted and now nobody will actually play the game rendering it dead I had 4 hours and they still gave me a refund
That’s because Valve is arguably the best game company out there right now and actually cares about the industry. The day those policies change is the day that (mostly) safe pc gaming dies
Haven’t even played or opened my game since buying it. Will be requesting a refund straight away. This company is actually fxing criminal. The same reason I won’t preorder blops6
Milo dont let the trolls get u. They have no life and will always find ways to complain about anything. Just keep ur standards true followers know u 💯🔥
"Mason, my friend... Tell me... What is left to believe in, when you're betrayed by your own? When all that you are, all that you've done, is buried beneath the lies and the deceit of corrupt men. I will die in this wretched place... The only thing that keeps me alive is the thirst for vengeance. They must be stopped, Mason."
Activision and the COD studios do things like this because they no longer need their older, nostalgia-driven fans. The older crowd was abandoned years ago in favor of the new generation who will pump hundreds and hundreds of dollars in microtransactions into their new rinse and repeat titles
Milo, as a History point, Call of Duty as an IP had a unique way of choosing Developers for each game in the Franchise. The list of Cancelled Titles that used the IP Name can be an example of that.. 'Call of Duty: Devil's Brigade', 'Call of Duty: Roman Wars', 'Call of Duty: Future Warfare/Project NX1'... When Call of Duty first started, Activision would talk with Developers in a way that was like Crowd Sourcing, It would tell dev's were looking for the Next Big Call of Duty game... and dev companies had the opportunity to show what they had, what they could do. Literally one year a Dev company proposed a Cod title and when asked to show what they had so far, they had a soldier running across a bridge... with some background buildings and a skybox. That was it... That year they chose to use another title instead. Could you imagine playing a Spartan and going to war on horse back, as if you were playing call of duty from the Movie '300', With spears, swords , and shields. A melee only call of duty. In a way, the origins of Call of Duty were done with Crowd Sourcing, reaching out to dev companies but only 3-4 really stood out, and its been these companies that have made every cod since then. (Infinity Ward was first, Then Treyarch, Sledgehammer, lastly Raven Software (There are others that helped with different platforms or were in junction with another studio as help, like Tencent Games or High Moon Studios) Looking back on the Lost Titles per say, there were plenty of reasons Activision could have opted out. One game was called Call of Duty: Combined Forces, for Activision it was a decent concept its what actually lead to the making of Finest Hour... But there were Legal issues with other companies like Spark Unlimited and EA. But to make the game after Finest Hour released. It was proposed to cost 10.5 Million to start, and Activision saw it as more of a DLC like addon, than a Standalone title. You could also look at Project NX1 the same way, otherwise known as Future Warfare, it was made to be a Futuristic Sci-fi title for Cod. But for unknown reasons and an unknown time, they scrapped it. The assets were used to make Call of Duty: Ghosts and Infinite Warfare that came out in the later years. It was Confirmed after leaks made light earlier this year that Future Warfare was supposed to be released in 2013 but we got Ghosts instead that year. This bit was even more shocking to me at the time i found out about it, Raven Software was developing a Standalone Call of Duty Zombies game, during a break in Black Ops Zombies development. They were making a game just for zombies so that fans of the franchise could have something to hold us over until the next instalment. However when Treyarch decided, we're gonna develop the franchise again (coming back from the Zombies Hiatus) They decided that Raven's Zombie Title would create Internal Competition between the 2 Development Studios... Raven put the project off and didn't Complete it, it was even left Untitled. I personally, not proud to say it with recent zombie 'games' we've gotten, Vanguard and MWZ to be examples of experiments that didn't exactly stick with me, but i have bought cod games solely for the Zombie mode cause face it i love Call of Duty Zombies, since the beginning, and i Love Black ops 3's Mod for PC where i can play Custom Maps. Its a long shot to say this, but i wish, there was that Inner-Company Competition cause it would push the studios to simply DO BETTER, I wish there was a Standalone Zombies game, perhaps one that came with a Mod Tool attached like Bo3 so that the community to go wild with creativity. Sure it could cause issues with the main franchise to some extent, but one of the Big Selling Points for the Black Ops series was the Zombies Mode.. it's why even if Bo6 is a flop, I'm still getting it to play Zombies.. its what i love about Cod... Its why i keep going back to Black Ops 3... Hell i even reinstalled Cold War just to play the zombies maps again, like Forsaken, or Die Maschine. Needless to say, Activision should stick to its origins, they shouldn't have Canned H2, they should have put a cease on the development for the Mod, gone over legal development side of things. And gone through it officially, Since Modder's usually don't get paid at all, and their mods make people want to buy the game that uses it, Look at Fallout Series as a very successful example, the Most recent Fallout London can be used as a prime example. (As continuation from my thoughts earlier, i had to drive home). Fallout London has been a huge success for the dev team that made it, its value is like that of a studio's legacy making moment. They made that mod more or less from scratch. Similar to how some Bo3 Modder's made DLC Sized Modded Maps.. take one of my Favorites, Atonement as this example, Custom Map, Custom Wonder weapon, Full EE with Boss, Unique Starting Room Challenge (the longer you stayed the greater the reward), Secret Rooms, More than just 6-7 perks to choose from. Fallout London is Large enough to be considered a Standalone game... and they didn't ask for people to pay for the mod, the Mod was given out for free. Catch? nothing, just Own a copy of Fallout 4 preferably on GOG since that company decided to help the launch of the mod. (there was a delay on the size of the file and they had to switch publishing companies to someone with more server space to house the mod. Among delays from Bethesda themselves.) Speaking of H2, i can see activision perhaps taking a step back, looking at Pros and Cons of dealing with this Mod. And potentially reaching out to settle the miscommunication and misunderstanding between interests for the project. One reason for Activision to HAVE to stand in on something like this is the potential Profit making the Dev team could make. (Not talking about from donations here), Say the dev team asked for cash for the mod. (Not that they have or would) But say it got so popular that they decided to charge for the mod. It would be no different than that Steam controversy on the Climbing game that was made entirely from assets in Unreal and selling the game for profit.. making people buy a game made of completely free assets. The Mod Uses assets from Mw2, so if profit was made, the dev team would be undermining Activision. That's one reason to take legal action sooner than later. Perhaps its all a coincidence that it just so happens to be a day before the release but even legal actions can take days and even weeks to make it air tight. They HAD to get it out before the release of the Mod because if it were done after the fact then it would allow people to Clone the Mod and send it out on the internet indefinitely. It Had to be done before the mods launch, whether we like it or not, we have to suck it up and wait... hope that activision sees reason in letting it happen after taking all legal matters into account. I apologize for the Long winded comment but i had to put all my thoughts out there on this. Specially on Milos video since i respect you dearly my friend. And not just cause i wanna play Zombies with you again. :P Have fun everyone, thanks for the
THIS. This right here is one of the best comments on the whole situation. It's honestly just pisses me off that Activision is just a bunch of prickly bastards who don't understand anything about how biting the hand that feeds being a bad idea and how it will eventually bite them in the rear. First SM2 and now this. It just sucks man.
@@DjinnNyxDerolect I'm glad to see another fan like me agrees BO6 is going to flop games need to evolve forwards not go backwards. Round base been done, gobble gums been done, old ranking systems been done..... The dev's should have tried something new with bo6.
Awesome to hear you’re going to be doing a documentary on modding CoD! I’m sure it will be great and I look forward to it! Hope you give some shoutouts to modding forums that were big in those times, particularly in the MW2 days. Would also recommend covering how USB modding on 360 on WaW sadly destroyed a good portion of its multiplayer. Also covering hotswapping and flashed DVD drives for .iso mods and JTAG/RGH to retail infections for hosting lobbies changed things as well. [MTAF! Hosting Unlock All lobby! 1600 MSP!]
It's not even close. FiveM is still able to be played, quite literally got BOUGHT by Rockstar and is supposedly getting added to console versions of GTA 5 at some point. Activision shut a fan project down a day before release (after the project literally 100x their profits for MWR), even though they've known about the mod for years. Activision is a greedy, shitty company that doesn't care for it's community in the slightest, and I don't even play COD like that.
@@mpsspotlight3934 You'll see why when GTA 6 comes out. R* involvement with FiveM was always to set up for GTA 6's different multiplayer. There WILL be a Rockstar-backed roleplay type online for console and PC. Mark my words on some 'my uncle works for R*' type shit.
Another great example of companies empowering modders is when Rockstar hired the creators of GTA RP. They brought them on to improve the experience rather than destroying trust with their fans. Activision just can't seem to realize that people want to play games that they know are fun rather than gamble on something new.
Exactly, rockstar has made some stupid mistakes but here, this is where they did it perfectly. They understood it would put a lot of people off the game and they acted accordingly. People give rockstar a lot of shit but honestly I think they’re one of the best when it comes to learning from your mistakes compared to some other AAA companies, even if it takes a while
I’m so immensely happy to see you calling Activision out here. It doesn’t matter how “Upset” they say they were, every other content creator and influencer that hasn’t been as brutally honest as you have been are absolute cowards.
I don’t believe anyone needs a video to understand why Activision did it. They don’t want you to play old game, there ain’t no 20$ bundles there. It’s that simple, BO6 is behind the corner and they need a success after MW3. They don’t want any distractions.
They’ve also already made MW2 remastered mp raven finished it and they never did anything with it and now they’re mad people wanna play that instead of whatever garbage they pump out
What a lot of people seem to not understand is that there is such thing as a devil’s advocate. Not everything can be so wishy washy yknow. Love the video btw
Go take legal action against these people that actually are doing something good for the community, but they’ll let other people just hack that memory league games and cheat all over the game and not do nothing please what a joke of a company
Wow, i wouldnt have known about this project if it weren't for your video. Absolutely devastating that the community will not see this mod come to fruition.
@@PaunchySeven I buy new games but only if they are very good like god of war or Elden ring I bought mw2019 and loved it Cold War was ok vanguard is inexcusable I didn’t buy it
@@justinwood6421 I recommend wait until they no longer balance anything like for me. I’m not buying BO6 until two criteria are met. No nerfing in zombies and double tap 2 is added
@@PaunchySeven Yeah nerfing in zombies is super dumb it’s a pve mode the only one gaining an advantage is me against the zombies. As for double tap I would definitely prefer it being in the game but anytime there are rarity’s for salvage my bet is that it won’t be in the game. I definitely have hope for black ops 6 though everything I’ve seen looks promising it looks like they’re really trying to build and innovate off of what Cold War started.
Going after modders is always a dumb move, they’re literally just giving you free publicity. They’re literally free game devs you don’t have to hire. I know there’s “ game integrity “ but it’s COD, they make games to satisfy shareholders not to make art. Let them mod.
Actually it’s not a dumb move in the slightest. Why would Activision allow a third party to remaster one of their old games - of which they are almost guaranteed to remaster themselves one day? Furthermore, BO6 releases soon and they know if they didn’t take it down, the BO6 player base would be lower. One day (don’t know when) all the classic CoDs will be remastered, that’s a fact. They don’t want these mods surfacing because it doesn’t make sense to have them.
@@the_seer_0421 Agreed. But they don’t like their fans anyways so there’s no point being annoyed, because they don’t give a shit. Just get a refund a move on. Don’t buy anymore of their shit games, and just wait for the remasters to drop. I’d rather play a proper one appose to a mod anyway tbh 🤷♂️
It's not a dumb move, scammers ruined COD modding. Accepting payments with promises and then just abandon the project. They have every right to protect their IP when modders are just trying to profit from it.
@@20eyesmisfitI disagree about “modders trying to take profits”. Maybe some of them, maybe the H2H ones, maybe not. It’s wrong to generalise, especially when the first to seek profits are the IP’s owners. And for this matter, the whole thing stinks. As Milo said, CoD lawyers could move sooner. Right or not, it was a shitty move.
Mad respect bro ❤️, talking with integrity these days are harder for others who seeks sponsorship & exclusive content from big company such as Activision
First of all, I hate that Activision took this action, and filed the C&D on M2M. The information available points at this being more scummy then not, but allow me to also provide some insight that might help as well. I am not a legal expert, but I have studied IP law heavily, among other things. The first issue is that their mod requires MWR to run, which doesn't officially support mods. This means that you are then redistributing modified assets through an illegally modified game that you do not own, or hold any rights to, as per the EULA. If Activision were to let this mod exist, it would create a president for modding future projects too, even without it officially supporting mods, so I saw this coming as soon as I knew it was indev. On the other hand, if Activision had 2 years notice of the project being made as was claimed, the long time for the C&D to come through is highly unusual by legal standards. A C&D isn't something that can be done overnight, you have to figure out the nation and province/state that the team is headquartered in, then you have to check their copyright laws to ensure the C&D is enforceable, then comes evidence gathering, creating the case, and filing the C&D. All in all, this usually takes weeks to a few months. The potential two years notice implies something more malicious to me, such as potentially wasting the dev team's time to kill their drive, and even milking sales. Activision and their parent company of Microsoft are both known for these tactics, and for being extremely consumer unfriendly. I believe they had the C&D done earlier, and waited to set the date until the release was announced. As for if the sale was set up to support that, I ask someone check when the sale began, to see if the sale predates the announcement. Sorry for the long read, just wanting to get my knowledge out there, along with my opinion.
Another thing to note is Rockstar games. Another large company recruited the moders of GTA5RP to help work on GTA6. Just let that simmer in your thoughts for a minute
@@incredimixerchannelofficial except one of them doesn't even work at the company anymore, and all they wanted out of the 5M acquisition was the IP that came with it. majority of the original 5M devs have left the team, and the project is currently basically aimless/directionless as there's zero amounts of lead from rockstar. they're just coasting at this point, and at some point will inevitably crash into a wall
@@incredimixerchannelofficialthey were just writers for the games they don’t have any technical backgrounds. People really think just 2 guys brought a team together likes it’s the avengers or something
@@Knaeckebrotsaegeevery leak of GTA6 makes the game seem less and less interesting. I’m sure it’ll be a good game, but I don’t think it’ll be as good as the amount of effort rockstar put into their other games. They’re working devs to their absolute limits reports show that Rockstar is rushing development hard. This could easily be another cyberpunk situation
Everyone hating on activision for several reasons ( me too ) but yet, they still supporting that multi million trillion company buying their "new" games ( mw3 lmao litterly is mw2r ). Ya all even accepting the fact that bo6 is litterly 70 bucks lmao. Also, im pretty surr, Activision shutting things like sm2 this one down cause they re scared, That their new games doesnt sell well while there are suchs mods around.
MAD RESPECT for calling out Activision for their dogs**t financial decisions. This mod should have been rolled out without issue. The only reason Activision didnt do this earlier is to drain the pockets of their fans. It's disgusting that companies whose main revenue is consumers would do something like this so obviously trust-breaking and still expecting them to continue buying their games.
It's such short term thinking. What they are doing here is effectively taking their most passionate customers and spitting in their face. Consumer trust is paramount, especially within the tech industry. Doing what they've done is prioritising quarterly profits with no regard for the consumer drop-off that will have an effect on them in the years to come. But the exec who made this decision will probably have moved onto another company by then so why would they care?
An analogy: People staying in your house while you're away don't need to steal anything for you to be upset that they used your house. And you won't except their excuse that you left your door unlocked and that they didn't steal anything.
Milo, you absolute king 🙌🏻. Predicting straight out of the gate the hate and uniformed insults of people immediately needing to categorize your content to an extreme of either shilling or being purely negative doomer takes. And then in your very next video, getting shoved into said extremes on twitter and then in the very comment section of this video. Although you already know this, the people who also aren’t deranged and understand that people can account for personal inherent biases while also maintaining objectivity and neutrality are often less vocal as they don’t feel a need to shout their opinions and throw you into some extreme catagory. So although the main comments might be absolute nonsense, remember a vast majority of sane people really appreciate your honesty. ❤ Now more than ever it is clear that you are (and always have been) a voice of reason and create well-informed and researched content that matters. Keep on going king, the sane Zombies and gaming community are proud of you.
I find it stupid how Activision lets Bo3 mod clients get through, but wont let a huge passion project get through when you have to buy the base game to even use it. Some Bo3 clients just allow you to Pirate Bo3 entirely.
Literally bought mwr on steam yesterday for this mod... I'm really not getting bo6 now even if the beta is good. This company is THIS hellbent on killing old cod in favor of new cods, even though everyone that wanted mwiii already has it.
So many games on steam have a "Workshop" where people can post their mods and creations meanwhile Activision is just like "But but but buuuuttt, what about Black Ops 6?"
If you really want to stick it to Activision, you should not buy Black ops 6. What I think happened is that they don’t want any other distraction on the run up to Black Ops 6
They’d still shut it down if COD was in its yearly dry stage; they want you to forget how COD was. Old games show you SBMM, wank movement and bundles hurt the game by exploiting the meek that don’t know better.
Activision deserves better. They're not like Sega or Rockstar where they were impressed by the mod and they can hire them but instead they went on damage control, cease and deceist the mod clients and make them look like they're more important. Selfish behavior from a totally normal AAA company
Activision: shuts down a H2M mod even though the mod wont be getting single dime since the mod is made for the community by the community Cod community: [Everyone disliked that]
The simplest way to solve this is giving a grace period to enjoy the mod, "we do not condone the use of our assets for thirdparty use, but we understand the enjoyment this has brought to the community, therefore we will be shutting this project down but feel free to enjoy it until August 28th" something along these lines that way they atleast get some time to enjoy it and the devs who worked on it can see their passion throughout
@@20eyesmisfit do you even know what your talking about. A shit load of people paid for a game pacificly to play the mod and they knew about it for months and said nothing until day of release. So you sound like one of the COD sheep that like getting bent over. And were is that in their terms and service, getting f__ked.
None of this was someone fixing the servers Activision pays for. But hey it's better to just be hateful then first make sure you understand what's going on.
Good video Milo!! One thing for me ... You should have touched on two more aspects: first modding is super useful to ATVI Studios for recruitment (many former and actual COD devs comes from modding) and second, the fact that Activision is happy for assets to be ripped of any of the COD games to be used as "Renders" or Thumbnails or social media/portfolio... Basically this sort of shutdown the "protecting their IP" type scenario. They basically dont mind assets being ripped and used as long as it benefits them. As I said on Twitter, H2M is not the first project to be C&D last minute, sad but totally predictable as ATVI not benefitting from it beyond the sale of MWR (which now will get refunded en mass). Oh and lastly, BlackOps did get tools (minus mapping) but they were not very popular. H2M Should try make their game "legally" on BO3 as its totally doable imo.
Bro i stopped the video when you started talking about a license to modd these titles. BRO THESE GAMES ARE LITERALLY UNSAFE TO PLAY BRO BECAUSE OF MODDERS AND HACKERS ON THE GAMES DUDE. Like really, dude i used to hold this channel and such high regard and to see you giving Activision the biggest Hawk-Tua of any other content creator on any platform (including Jev, espresso, faze members on twitter, and many many more that have come out and said something about this) its sad bro. The modders made a mod to allow people to experience an old game safely.... the fact that you said " I just got put back in Activisions good graces", then proceed to say someone else is biased is hilarious, and pure hypocrisy. Must be Nice being on the Activison payroll.
I am being so for real when I say this: are you cognitively impaired in some way? are you drunk maybe? like what is wrong with you? bro just wrote fanfiction in my comments section to justify hating on me like WTF LMAO
@@MrRoflWaffles haha 3 mins ago what's up bro, watching the vid rn
What video did you watch holy hell. Don’t drink right when you wake up
This guy is a W.
This being pinned is WILD 😂
Bro just got unblacklisted by activison and is going straight back to it (milo is truly a man of the people 🙌)
When he said he was going to do his best to remain impartial despite his invite to treyarch and I believed him. I still believe him too.
They knew this was gonna happen and make him a martyr 😭😭 speaks his truth and those of others but it means they have a reason to not reach out again… even after fans hoping he and activision would have a relationship for years
Me personally I wouldn’t give af if I got blacklisyed again because Activision is greedy pos
i just blacklisted ACTIVISION myself, i will never purchase any of their games ever again.
they need to go bankrupt.
He was never block from Activision 😂 or he would never be doing anything for them stupid😂
Milo : Aftter 5 years I finally got back on activision good side
Milo a day later : This is how activision messed up
Activision wont see it this way but hes critical because he cares.
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Nah he just sat on the fence the whole video and now he’s got splinters up his ass
😂😂😂
Dude honestly he’s taking it lightly on them. I can’t believe that we have come to a point in this world. where people that will buy this game without even thinking about it. I too was that guy but this evil company must COMPLETELY FALL. We can’t let this bs continue anymore
milo really aint holding back against activision. respect
He’s a real one fr 🥲
calls it like he sees it. just so happens that activision is alienating their entire community too. I hope more of these mainstream cod channels start calling them out on their bs
I just think he is being honest
He'll still buy blops 6
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What gets my blood boiling on top of all of this is how they refuse to patch the older games that still go for $60 on steam and let hackers go rampant. You need to install clients just to run the games without fear of getting hacked. It’s truly a sad time for COD.
It’s a business why would they support old games when they have a history of putting everything into there new stuff
@@Thearchon592the problem is that these games are priced at a high value and yet are unsafe to play. Also if you don’t know people still do like to play the og cod games and I’m pretty sure there are a couple of corporations that still update their old games or at the very least keep it hacker-free.
@@Beta_Extraz24 I know people still play the games I am saying activision doesn’t care there isn’t a rule for them to go back to these games nor lower the prices I know it’s depressing but it’s the truth they don’t have to support these titles after there done
They dont support any of their games and only care about their shop and shutting down anything that’ll take a penny away from their profits. The same bugs have been in this game since 2019. The shop bugged out and was fixed in 3mins.
More hackers, on older games the less that are on the newer games
It's all about the sales... But I will say that waiting to stop it until 24 hours before it's release was a HUGE dick move.
I don't think they necessarily waited, I think most people only heard about this project within the last couple days.
@@Mythicalgoonshouldn’t those bastards be aware?
@@Mythicalgoon there's absolutely no way they didn't know. It was fully hyped at least a good 2 weeks before release date
@@wilson0213 bro just because you were hyped doesn't mean it got traction or that it was big.
Even the Google trends agree with me that it only really started getting traction a few days before Activision sent the letter. And Activision being a big ass company takes a few days to make any decision.
The likelihood of them purposefully waiting for it to be the day before is schizo levels of low. I've given you many reasons for why they wouldn't and you can't name one for why they would besides "they're evil" well even evil things need to be rationalized nobody does things for literally nothing it's impossible
This is just a good move, imo for cod as a business. Used them like a fleshlight 😂
Milo risking his relationship with activision for the h2m community is insane he truly is for the people, the CoD's community greatest soldier
Nah he just sat on the fence the whole video and now he’s got splinters up his ass
Everything is insane, wild, or crazy these days. Learn what hyperbole is.
@@kennymccormick8295 i mean is it not insane? Someone who just got a relationship with activision again is still willing to speak his truth and speak out for another community and is ready to call out said company on its bullshit
@@kennymccormick8295it's just 2020's slang, don't look too far into it.
@@YhugYug Lol ride 'im harder
bro got unbanned from Activision events and crashes out shortly after
Yo wassup man. I am a big fan of your work. Keep it up
@@Dark__69 thank you Dark
Time for another 5 years
More than worth it if it means calling out Activision on their greedy scumbaggery
why did they ban lil bro?
Milo risking that relationship with Activision for honesty. Legend 💪
Yeah this is great to know there’s a RUclipsr with some actual integrity who is true to his word. I don’t even watch his content a ton anymore but I still think he’s a genuinely good dude, I hope things work out for him
Yea
Real
What relationship? It’s a fucking business dude. Not a damn person. Like go fucking read a book for once
Yeah It makes him even cooler
Surprising that you didn't mention that the ENTIRE battle royale genre (aka fortnite, warzone, etc) all spawned off a mod, too. Day Z was originally an Arma mod, playerunknown created a battle royale mod of Day Z (mod of a mod), which then turned into its own game and resulted in its own insane popularity, followed shortly thereafter by fortnite, which then inspired warzone. Activision's own massive cash cow exists due to the modding scene. Feels like that would've been the perfect example given the context. CSGO and League are good examples too, but not directly tied to ATVI
I didn’t think of that but yeah that’s crazy. It’s a shame
yeah this would have been a great example to use - just didn't think of it at the time!! Will def mention if I make a followup vid at some point 🙌
@@MrRoflWaffles hi Milo if you respond it would make my whole week :) I luv ur whiteboard vids
@@BonBawn I gotchu 🙌🤝
@@MrRoflWaffles thanks! You’re one of the few content creators I consistently watch. Thank you for putting in all the effort you do in your videos. They seriously help and are a joy to watch 🤙
I work on a mod called Skywind, which is a Skyrim mod that aims to remake an older Elder Scrolls title called Morrowind in its entirety. I don't believe Bethesda has explicitly said we need to require users to have both Skyrim and Morrowind installed, but we require it in good faith. So far we are in good standings with Bethesda as we have a solid communication line with them - though, there hasn't been an official endorsement yet. Maybe this is what H2M was missing? Requiring users to have MW2 installed?
Nah, Bethesda don’t care about modern cause it keeps their shit games alive. Activision hates modders cause they want all players on their newer title where they can squeeze playtime and cod points from them.
MW2R campaign isn’t on steam, only MWR is unless you are talking about the 2009 MW2 which wouldn’t make any sense because to my knowledge they didn’t take any assets from MW2 2009, they remade assets and ripped some assets from MW2R campaign.
No because the last mod (IW4X) got shut down similarly and you needed the have MW2 files to run it.
tbf bethesda needs modders to finish their games.
The ripped assets would be the issue. From what I understand you guys remake most of the Morrowind assets from scratch, where as H2M used ripped MW2/MW2R assets. Plus MWR doesn't have official mod tools and thus no explicit permission for this sort of user generated content to be made in the first place, let alone any sort of guidelines to determine what mods are allowed to be made. As someone working on a large mod project within a community that's seen this sort of event before, I've learnt it's important to try follow the EULA of whatever you're modding to avoid this sort of issue.
Can't wait to see more of Skywind. You guys are setting the standard for large scale mods.
I guess Milo didn't want to be invited to CoD Next anyway. 😜
Straight back to the blacklist lmao
Lmao
Honestly tho mad respect that decision from Activision was terrible
Thats why he's worth listening too, he has integrity, unlike the other sell-out streamers
@@boltonianmax6519Precisely. Milo has that Big D Energy
Putting a sale up for the game and then immediately ceasing and desisting the mod after it ended is just pure fucking evil and greed. It's actually impressive, it's like shit you see in the movies.
Cartoon villain behavior
Scummy for sure.
They didn’t put a sale up because of the H2M hype though? If you check SteamDB you can see like every cod was on sale cuz it was a franchise sale.
Every COD was on sale not just MWR
Yep its liie they saw what the great thibg bethesda did with the release of fallout london and went we will do that but then crush their dreams after making proffit
Massive respect for choosing your integrity over a business relationship with Activision. Potentially losing access to the exclusive insight and content Activision has given you but you are still not afraid of speaking up on Activision's bs.
Unrelated, but it's insane that you've put out 36 videos/shorts in the last couple weeks. The amount of content you've put out lately is crazy. We see you working hard, Milo! We see your dedication! Keep doing what you're doing!
yo thank you for noticing this - the absolute OPERATION it has been getting all this content out (especially while travelling!!) has been really challenging at times but seeing comments like this makes it all worth it! More to come ❤
@MrRoflWaffles hell yeah brother. Keep grinding! We'll all be here for you!
Realistically speaking, I bet there were even some CoD Devs who probably would have wanted to even play that mod, but the executives made the decision to shut it down.
i love how milo is just acting like normal despite running that whole heroes journey to dc lol
technically he doesnt remember any of it
It was an Internet ARG. That's why, he's just going along with the plot
@@Tackk6 but he does...
@@knowingbadger he explicitly said he didn’t remember anything before the bus ride at treyarch and said “I don’t think I’m supposed to ask any questions”
All that stuff was recorded a while ago. The marketing team essentially created an ARG with Milo being the main character. I’m assuming they wanted to wait for the right time to release it
We need more content creators like you. Not afraid to get on Activision’s bad side despite being invited to their events throughout the years. Too many shills and corporate bootlickers in this community
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Except all the pros and maybe one or two other grinders and completionst. I don't think there's that many bootlicker
I say as if that's not most the creators
When Milo said he wasn't going to hold back on deserved criticism, he meant that and is standing on business.
Tippable o7
26:26 "slaps on the wrists, getting ceast and desist" bruh that goes hard🔥💯
The thing I find most absurd about all of this is the idea that H2M was ever going to have any impact on BO6. Activision has no reason to believe that, nor does the player-base and community as a whole. Realistically speaking, MW2 is old news and we already got the maps remastered in MW3 2023 not even a full year ago. Anybody who wants old Call of Duty does not really care about new Call of Duty and vise versa. Nobody who loves Warzone and MW3 are gonna drop everything for this remaster. Those who appreciate both will simply play both BO6 and MW2 remastered. I thoroughly and wholeheartedly believe there’s no evidence to suggest that MW2 remastered in the version of a mod for COD4 remastered exclusively on PC would take away from BO6 numbers; that’s simply ridiculous, and Activision taking these measures is equally ridiculous, disappointing, and frankly kind of disgusting.
I think the only logical reason is activision must already have an mw2 remaster in their back pocket and are saving it for a rainy day and probably invested millions into creating it. They wouldn’t want something else existing that does exactly that and was built for freew
Womp womp you can’t steal someone’s property cry about it.
@@zaiyas1408boot licker
@zaiyas1408 Wow another 10 year old kiddo using "Womp womp" and "cry about it". Oh what a sick burn, was that the best you could manage? Pathetic. 😂
@@zaiyas1408 Imagine simping for a billion dollar company
Actually love you for this Milo... The more RUclipsrs that talk about this the better!
I truly feel like huge community mods like this should not be made publicly known up until the release. Send it to trusted creators and they will cover it the day it goes live. Of course, without hype, this might fall flat, but at least, it will give time to the community to download it and maybe play it on their own.
And when the shit hits the fan they're gonna eat crap with Activision in court
@@azizibrahem27 That why they should shadow launch it. There are ways devs can release stuff anonymously.
Odd how pokemon uranium gets new updates even though it got cnd. Devs gotta play smart
A cease and desist is a lawyer politely telling you to knock it off. If you take that off the table, you're going straight to court with a billion dollar corpo.
Oh the mod is totally active underground. It’s been leaked out and now people are flooding the servers.
The cease and desist literally stopped nothing. Now people are just spitting in activision’s face by pirating MWR and shitting on Bo6.
Milo’s lack of bias towards Activision will be why I always choose to watch his zombies content out of all the others
people gotta understand that Treyarch inviting Milo to their offices to play BO6 Zombies is different from Milo being invited to COD Next.
Activision handles COD Next, and Treyarch handles these in-studio play-sessions. I imagine Treyarch has a very different relationship with Milo than what Activision does.
Still, fuck Activision.
W treyarch w milo L Activision
maybe jason had to fight harder than we thought to get those mod tools in
Just so people know, when stuff like this happens in steam, steam is super generous and will allow refunds even if you played it longer than 2 hours. You might have to go directly to steam support, but I’m sure they’ll take care of it for you. Steam is goated.
When Milo said COD events I really thought he said COD next and I never went back so fast to see if I was tripping or not 😭
Hey Milo! Love your videos and how you conduct business on RUclips. Incredibly done video. Only other point I’d mention is how unsafe MWR (and other older CoDs) are. They are so hacked and exploited that they are truly unsafe to play. So, mods are the only safe way to enjoy those older games. Because Activision clearly isn’t going to go back and fix the older games and make them safe again. Looking forward to all the zombies content with BO6!
another good example is that FiveM was its' own mod for GTA 5, Rockstar banned the mod and its' sister mod, and because of enough backlash, Rockstar went back and bought the group that made FiveM and then gave them freedom to do whatever they want. Rockstar also lets LSPDFR and other mods take place on GTA and do nothing. Fortnite has been exceptional with creative because you can MAKE WHATEVER YOU WANT.
The fact that they pick and choose which title to go after within the same IP is crazy. The fact that Rockstar and Bethesda allow this with almost no real involvement for Skyrim and GTA… and let’s not forget that the version of MW2 On PC is a legitimate security risk to your identity and IP address. If they aren’t going to let modelers pick up their slack, they should be willing to at least provide a safe environment to play their original product.
Bethesda (zenimax, really) is obsessed with paid mods and micro transactions.
rockstar is a gray area as well.
they initially shut the whole thing down and then bought out the modding tool guys and fiveM is now rockstar owned and fully in their control, with A LOT of rules attached.
for example you are not allowed to create new games, stories, missions or maps.
Refunded MWR on Steam only bought the game for H2M 😭
I played more than 2 hours 😢
@@cody2147 me too my guy, i am sad af
You should be able to get a refund because of this situation. Sweet talk the steam support if you have to.@@cody2147
@@cody2147 Clearly you had enough fun without the mod though?
@@chasemorr4110 depends on the way you look at it
Can’t have shit in Detroit.
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The only thing that I can think of that put them in hot water with Activision was that they used MW2 Campaign Remastered assets without requiring the players to own MW2 Campaign Remastered. Because H2M contained weapon models, animations, maps, and some custom maps from MW2CR - that means that they were technically allowing players to use MW2CR content without owning MW2CR. I can't think of any other way they could have had the leeway to do this, because as far as I know, modding in older games is typically accepted unless it's stuff like unlock tools which give the player "paid" content (ie; locked weapons/weapons from crates).
That being said, Activision is still scummy as fuck for starting the sale for MWR and then sending out the C&D a day before the mod drops - I cannot fathom how they thought that was a good idea.
Activision out here trying to be Nintendo 2: C&D Boogaloo.
the stupid thing is, the people who bought the mwr might have bought bo6, but as it stands they will not be buying bo6, so its a lose situation now for activision. and they know its a big number, or else they would have done nothing
Nah they will buy the game, this is the COD community, theyve got no spine
doesnt matter how much we hate activision. everyone will still support them and buy their new releases happens literally every year and we are all guilty of it even myself
I stopped buying CoD games after BO2. MWR was the only purchase I made after like a decade and now they do this. I refunded it. Not interested in their new shit.
Activision:”Hey Milo does the easter egg on this rag smell funny to you?” 😂
nice on lol
5 years to get back in, 5 mins to get get kicked back out
better for him
Goodbye COD Next invite... thanks for being a real gamer, Milo!
😂🤣🤣💀😅
Milo we are the same age and I've been following you since I knew what zombies Easter eggs were. (Different accounts) I've never commented before but I have appreciated your unadulterated and unfiltered takes and reviews for literal years. I'm flabbergasted that after your recent escapades with die is cast you still are being yourself. You are an inspiration to people our age and everyone else. Keep being you.
yoo thanks for taking the time to write this man, appreciate it 🙌
You weren't kidding when you said you were in a good position to hold Activision accountable. Mad respect.
Loving the grind Milo 💪 Keep up the great content
Activision just salty they can’t do good games anymore
It’s pure greed and it’s a joke
its not that they can't dumb ass its that they won't they don't care about you
They can do good games bit they don't listen to their players
Activision doesn't do games. They just own studios that do games
As someone working on a large mod project remaking parts of older games (Halo Reborn), the asset ripping was an immediate red flag. From day one of our project we were considering what assets we could and couldn't use, with assets from newer games in that franchise or one's without official mod support being quickly considered off the table to avoid this exact issue. Ultimately, you are working with an IP you don't own so you need to play by the rules of the IP holder, and that means not taking assets from other games as it would probably count as illegal redistribution and is just asking for a C&D. We've seen this happen before, both within Call of Duty and elsewhere (Halo Online/Eldewrito). If they remade the MW2 assets from scratch rather than ripping them they'd be less likely to get shut down, and if they did this in a game with official mod support like BO3 they'd be almost entirely safe as they'd have clear guidelines in the EULA made by Activision to follow.
The only real issue is Activision's intentions being made clear so late, which really was unnecessarily cruel and a spit in the face to H2M's developers along with those that bought MWR to play it.
You know shits serious when a whiteboard comes out
i love when its the time of year when i refresh your chanell every couple hours for a new vid
Big guy vs. Community. Always
26:00 so they keep saying "my game my cod my...." what even is cod anymore now that the og devs are gone, it's nothing. cod arguably belongs more to the community than it does to activision, the fans are taking better care of it, showing more passion etc and trying their best to keep it alive (again, unlike activision)
PSA: if you’ve played more than 2 hours, state that you bought the game for the purpose of playing a mod that was cease and desisted and now nobody will actually play the game rendering it dead
I had 4 hours and they still gave me a refund
That’s because Valve is arguably the best game company out there right now and actually cares about the industry. The day those policies change is the day that (mostly) safe pc gaming dies
Steam's always been super lax on their refund policy, they're very much on the side of the customer
@@ThatWarlockBoiValve is garbage but they do better things than Activision
@@mikesshowcase8513 Nope, L Bozo.
Haven’t even played or opened my game since buying it. Will be requesting a refund straight away. This company is actually fxing criminal. The same reason I won’t preorder blops6
Milo dont let the trolls get u. They have no life and will always find ways to complain about anything.
Just keep ur standards true followers know u 💯🔥
I love your content Milo! It really does seem very mean of Activision. Great video as always, love your content and honesty.
"Mason, my friend... Tell me... What is left to believe in, when you're betrayed by your own? When all that you are, all that you've done, is buried beneath the lies and the deceit of corrupt men. I will die in this wretched place... The only thing that keeps me alive is the thirst for vengeance. They must be stopped, Mason."
Activision and the COD studios do things like this because they no longer need their older, nostalgia-driven fans. The older crowd was abandoned years ago in favor of the new generation who will pump hundreds and hundreds of dollars in microtransactions into their new rinse and repeat titles
Milo, as a History point, Call of Duty as an IP had a unique way of choosing Developers for each game in the Franchise. The list of Cancelled Titles that used the IP Name can be an example of that.. 'Call of Duty: Devil's Brigade', 'Call of Duty: Roman Wars', 'Call of Duty: Future Warfare/Project NX1'... When Call of Duty first started, Activision would talk with Developers in a way that was like Crowd Sourcing, It would tell dev's were looking for the Next Big Call of Duty game... and dev companies had the opportunity to show what they had, what they could do. Literally one year a Dev company proposed a Cod title and when asked to show what they had so far, they had a soldier running across a bridge... with some background buildings and a skybox. That was it... That year they chose to use another title instead. Could you imagine playing a Spartan and going to war on horse back, as if you were playing call of duty from the Movie '300', With spears, swords , and shields. A melee only call of duty.
In a way, the origins of Call of Duty were done with Crowd Sourcing, reaching out to dev companies but only 3-4 really stood out, and its been these companies that have made every cod since then. (Infinity Ward was first, Then Treyarch, Sledgehammer, lastly Raven Software (There are others that helped with different platforms or were in junction with another studio as help, like Tencent Games or High Moon Studios)
Looking back on the Lost Titles per say, there were plenty of reasons Activision could have opted out. One game was called Call of Duty: Combined Forces, for Activision it was a decent concept its what actually lead to the making of Finest Hour... But there were Legal issues with other companies like Spark Unlimited and EA. But to make the game after Finest Hour released. It was proposed to cost 10.5 Million to start, and Activision saw it as more of a DLC like addon, than a Standalone title. You could also look at Project NX1 the same way, otherwise known as Future Warfare, it was made to be a Futuristic Sci-fi title for Cod. But for unknown reasons and an unknown time, they scrapped it. The assets were used to make Call of Duty: Ghosts and Infinite Warfare that came out in the later years. It was Confirmed after leaks made light earlier this year that Future Warfare was supposed to be released in 2013 but we got Ghosts instead that year.
This bit was even more shocking to me at the time i found out about it, Raven Software was developing a Standalone Call of Duty Zombies game, during a break in Black Ops Zombies development. They were making a game just for zombies so that fans of the franchise could have something to hold us over until the next instalment. However when Treyarch decided, we're gonna develop the franchise again (coming back from the Zombies Hiatus) They decided that Raven's Zombie Title would create Internal Competition between the 2 Development Studios... Raven put the project off and didn't Complete it, it was even left Untitled.
I personally, not proud to say it with recent zombie 'games' we've gotten, Vanguard and MWZ to be examples of experiments that didn't exactly stick with me, but i have bought cod games solely for the Zombie mode cause face it i love Call of Duty Zombies, since the beginning, and i Love Black ops 3's Mod for PC where i can play Custom Maps. Its a long shot to say this, but i wish, there was that Inner-Company Competition cause it would push the studios to simply DO BETTER, I wish there was a Standalone Zombies game, perhaps one that came with a Mod Tool attached like Bo3 so that the community to go wild with creativity. Sure it could cause issues with the main franchise to some extent, but one of the Big Selling Points for the Black Ops series was the Zombies Mode.. it's why even if Bo6 is a flop, I'm still getting it to play Zombies.. its what i love about Cod... Its why i keep going back to Black Ops 3... Hell i even reinstalled Cold War just to play the zombies maps again, like Forsaken, or Die Maschine.
Needless to say, Activision should stick to its origins, they shouldn't have Canned H2, they should have put a cease on the development for the Mod, gone over legal development side of things. And gone through it officially, Since Modder's usually don't get paid at all, and their mods make people want to buy the game that uses it, Look at Fallout Series as a very successful example, the Most recent Fallout London can be used as a prime example. (As continuation from my thoughts earlier, i had to drive home). Fallout London has been a huge success for the dev team that made it, its value is like that of a studio's legacy making moment. They made that mod more or less from scratch. Similar to how some Bo3 Modder's made DLC Sized Modded Maps.. take one of my Favorites, Atonement as this example, Custom Map, Custom Wonder weapon, Full EE with Boss, Unique Starting Room Challenge (the longer you stayed the greater the reward), Secret Rooms, More than just 6-7 perks to choose from. Fallout London is Large enough to be considered a Standalone game... and they didn't ask for people to pay for the mod, the Mod was given out for free. Catch? nothing, just Own a copy of Fallout 4 preferably on GOG since that company decided to help the launch of the mod. (there was a delay on the size of the file and they had to switch publishing companies to someone with more server space to house the mod. Among delays from Bethesda themselves.)
Speaking of H2, i can see activision perhaps taking a step back, looking at Pros and Cons of dealing with this Mod. And potentially reaching out to settle the miscommunication and misunderstanding between interests for the project. One reason for Activision to HAVE to stand in on something like this is the potential Profit making the Dev team could make. (Not talking about from donations here), Say the dev team asked for cash for the mod. (Not that they have or would) But say it got so popular that they decided to charge for the mod. It would be no different than that Steam controversy on the Climbing game that was made entirely from assets in Unreal and selling the game for profit.. making people buy a game made of completely free assets. The Mod Uses assets from Mw2, so if profit was made, the dev team would be undermining Activision. That's one reason to take legal action sooner than later. Perhaps its all a coincidence that it just so happens to be a day before the release but even legal actions can take days and even weeks to make it air tight. They HAD to get it out before the release of the Mod because if it were done after the fact then it would allow people to Clone the Mod and send it out on the internet indefinitely. It Had to be done before the mods launch, whether we like it or not, we have to suck it up and wait... hope that activision sees reason in letting it happen after taking all legal matters into account.
I apologize for the Long winded comment but i had to put all my thoughts out there on this. Specially on Milos video since i respect you dearly my friend. And not just cause i wanna play Zombies with you again. :P
Have fun everyone, thanks for the
THIS. This right here is one of the best comments on the whole situation. It's honestly just pisses me off that Activision is just a bunch of prickly bastards who don't understand anything about how biting the hand that feeds being a bad idea and how it will eventually bite them in the rear. First SM2 and now this. It just sucks man.
@@user-wz1jf1cd7j I appreciate your kind words friend.
@@user-wz1jf1cd7j Thanks for the kind words 🖤
Didn’t read the whole thing but yea man sooner or later its all gonna come back and bite em in the ass and its gonna feel good
@@DjinnNyxDerolect I'm glad to see another fan like me agrees BO6 is going to flop games need to evolve forwards not go backwards. Round base been done, gobble gums been done, old ranking systems been done..... The dev's should have tried something new with bo6.
Awesome to hear you’re going to be doing a documentary on modding CoD! I’m sure it will be great and I look forward to it! Hope you give some shoutouts to modding forums that were big in those times, particularly in the MW2 days. Would also recommend covering how USB modding on 360 on WaW sadly destroyed a good portion of its multiplayer. Also covering hotswapping and flashed DVD drives for .iso mods and JTAG/RGH to retail infections for hosting lobbies changed things as well.
[MTAF! Hosting Unlock All lobby! 1600 MSP!]
I like how hes looking at both sides of the arguments and trying to rationalize them while also saying that they messed up.
This seems to be on the same level as rockstar did with 5m in which rockstar bought and told 5m devs to take away old cars from older rockstar games
What???? That's just petty bro
Better than shutting it down completely, and they funded it@@Kirasfox
It's not even close. FiveM is still able to be played, quite literally got BOUGHT by Rockstar and is supposedly getting added to console versions of GTA 5 at some point. Activision shut a fan project down a day before release (after the project literally 100x their profits for MWR), even though they've known about the mod for years. Activision is a greedy, shitty company that doesn't care for it's community in the slightest, and I don't even play COD like that.
@@mpsspotlight3934 You'll see why when GTA 6 comes out. R* involvement with FiveM was always to set up for GTA 6's different multiplayer. There WILL be a Rockstar-backed roleplay type online for console and PC. Mark my words on some 'my uncle works for R*' type shit.
@@Rasmosyeah I don’t see why they’d hire fiveM otherwise.
Bro I didn’t expect milo to post at 01:30am😂
Its 9 pm tho😂😂
Yes i get different time zones lol
@@ianmcveigh6943 in the uk it was 1:30am when he uploaded
Time zones are crazy
@@wiyr_era thats pretty normal for milo tho alot of his videos were posted after night noon. Was just pointing out how nuts time zones are really
@@ianmcveigh6943 Yh I only just started watching him like regularly I only used 2 watch I’m bc of the no noncense guides
Another great example of companies empowering modders is when Rockstar hired the creators of GTA RP. They brought them on to improve the experience rather than destroying trust with their fans. Activision just can't seem to realize that people want to play games that they know are fun rather than gamble on something new.
Exactly, rockstar has made some stupid mistakes but here, this is where they did it perfectly. They understood it would put a lot of people off the game and they acted accordingly. People give rockstar a lot of shit but honestly I think they’re one of the best when it comes to learning from your mistakes compared to some other AAA companies, even if it takes a while
I’m so immensely happy to see you calling Activision out here. It doesn’t matter how “Upset” they say they were, every other content creator and influencer that hasn’t been as brutally honest as you have been are absolute cowards.
I gained alot of respect for you today man...fuck Activision bro im glad your not on there side with this.
The original killing floor game was a mod and now it's an entire game series that's currently working on its third game
L4d was a mod even counter strike
I don’t believe anyone needs a video to understand why Activision did it.
They don’t want you to play old game, there ain’t no 20$ bundles there. It’s that simple, BO6 is behind the corner and they need a success after MW3. They don’t want any distractions.
They DID it because theft is illegal 😂,
It doesn't matter who you do it too, it's wrong
They’ve also already made MW2 remastered mp raven finished it and they never did anything with it and now they’re mad people wanna play that instead of whatever garbage they pump out
@@vengeance8298does your wife atleast let you watch from the chair?
@@Mr._IKE😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@vengeance8298 sounds like a skill issue from you 😂
Milo comes back from Treyarch and immediately calls out Activision 🙌
You the goat! Appreciate you making this video!
What a lot of people seem to not understand is that there is such thing as a devil’s advocate. Not everything can be so wishy washy yknow. Love the video btw
19:05 they forgot they're selling malware and low quality trash while kicking the fans in the balls unfortunately
at this point they need to be sued for selling games with rce exploits that have no warnings for the consumer
If they blacklist Milo again I’ll never trust them again
With you on that 1000%
@@jessepaz2346 its gonna happen
It's activision why u trust em in the first place
@@godofdestructionFTW Fair enough 😂 I guess I don’t really but it’ll be even less
Go take legal action against these people that actually are doing something good for the community, but they’ll let other people just hack that memory league games and cheat all over the game and not do nothing please what a joke of a company
Proud of you man. Your hair touched a brush while in the brush. Good content
Wow, i wouldnt have known about this project if it weren't for your video. Absolutely devastating that the community will not see this mod come to fruition.
This is the reason I don’t buy these greedy companies games anymore.They hate their fans and there is really no other way of putting it.
Every triple A company spits on the consumers… I wish they stayed humble instead of becoming greedy and selfish pos tbh
@@slidersidesI don’t buy new games anymore
@@PaunchySeven I buy new games but only if they are very good like god of war or Elden ring I bought mw2019 and loved it Cold War was ok vanguard is inexcusable I didn’t buy it
@@justinwood6421 I recommend wait until they no longer balance anything like for me. I’m not buying BO6 until two criteria are met. No nerfing in zombies and double tap 2 is added
@@PaunchySeven Yeah nerfing in zombies is super dumb it’s a pve mode the only one gaining an advantage is me against the zombies. As for double tap I would definitely prefer it being in the game but anytime there are rarity’s for salvage my bet is that it won’t be in the game. I definitely have hope for black ops 6 though everything I’ve seen looks promising it looks like they’re really trying to build and innovate off of what Cold War started.
Going after modders is always a dumb move, they’re literally just giving you free publicity. They’re literally free game devs you don’t have to hire. I know there’s “ game integrity “ but it’s COD, they make games to satisfy shareholders not to make art. Let them mod.
Actually it’s not a dumb move in the slightest. Why would Activision allow a third party to remaster one of their old games - of which they are almost guaranteed to remaster themselves one day? Furthermore, BO6 releases soon and they know if they didn’t take it down, the BO6 player base would be lower. One day (don’t know when) all the classic CoDs will be remastered, that’s a fact. They don’t want these mods surfacing because it doesn’t make sense to have them.
@@Luke-ym7hdbut the way they did it was undeniably scummy af.
@@the_seer_0421 Agreed. But they don’t like their fans anyways so there’s no point being annoyed, because they don’t give a shit. Just get a refund a move on. Don’t buy anymore of their shit games, and just wait for the remasters to drop. I’d rather play a proper one appose to a mod anyway tbh 🤷♂️
It's not a dumb move, scammers ruined COD modding. Accepting payments with promises and then just abandon the project. They have every right to protect their IP when modders are just trying to profit from it.
@@20eyesmisfitI disagree about “modders trying to take profits”.
Maybe some of them, maybe the H2H ones, maybe not. It’s wrong to generalise, especially when the first to seek profits are the IP’s owners.
And for this matter, the whole thing stinks. As Milo said, CoD lawyers could move sooner. Right or not, it was a shitty move.
The lights at the top left of the screen made me think my phone was cracked. Good video btw
Mad respect bro ❤️, talking with integrity these days are harder for others who seeks sponsorship & exclusive content from big company such as Activision
Thanks milo really appreciate everything you do, stay strong brother ❤️
First of all, I hate that Activision took this action, and filed the C&D on M2M. The information available points at this being more scummy then not, but allow me to also provide some insight that might help as well.
I am not a legal expert, but I have studied IP law heavily, among other things.
The first issue is that their mod requires MWR to run, which doesn't officially support mods. This means that you are then redistributing modified assets through an illegally modified game that you do not own, or hold any rights to, as per the EULA.
If Activision were to let this mod exist, it would create a president for modding future projects too, even without it officially supporting mods, so I saw this coming as soon as I knew it was indev.
On the other hand, if Activision had 2 years notice of the project being made as was claimed, the long time for the C&D to come through is highly unusual by legal standards. A C&D isn't something that can be done overnight, you have to figure out the nation and province/state that the team is headquartered in, then you have to check their copyright laws to ensure the C&D is enforceable, then comes evidence gathering, creating the case, and filing the C&D. All in all, this usually takes weeks to a few months.
The potential two years notice implies something more malicious to me, such as potentially wasting the dev team's time to kill their drive, and even milking sales. Activision and their parent company of Microsoft are both known for these tactics, and for being extremely consumer unfriendly. I believe they had the C&D done earlier, and waited to set the date until the release was announced. As for if the sale was set up to support that, I ask someone check when the sale began, to see if the sale predates the announcement.
Sorry for the long read, just wanting to get my knowledge out there, along with my opinion.
You’re a real pillar of the community! Thank you!
Another thing to note is Rockstar games. Another large company recruited the moders of GTA5RP to help work on GTA6. Just let that simmer in your thoughts for a minute
Sam and Dan Houser know what's good
@@incredimixerchannelofficial except one of them doesn't even work at the company anymore, and all they wanted out of the 5M acquisition was the IP that came with it. majority of the original 5M devs have left the team, and the project is currently basically aimless/directionless as there's zero amounts of lead from rockstar. they're just coasting at this point, and at some point will inevitably crash into a wall
@@incredimixerchannelofficialthey were just writers for the games they don’t have any technical backgrounds. People really think just 2 guys brought a team together likes it’s the avengers or something
@@Knaeckebrotsaegeevery leak of GTA6 makes the game seem less and less interesting. I’m sure it’ll be a good game, but I don’t think it’ll be as good as the amount of effort rockstar put into their other games. They’re working devs to their absolute limits reports show that Rockstar is rushing development hard. This could easily be another cyberpunk situation
Milo you are a great RUclipsr! The integrity for honesty is amazing
Everyone hating on activision for several reasons ( me too ) but yet, they still supporting that multi million trillion company buying their "new" games ( mw3 lmao litterly is mw2r ). Ya all even accepting the fact that bo6 is litterly 70 bucks lmao.
Also, im pretty surr, Activision shutting things like sm2 this one down cause they re scared, That their new games doesnt sell well while there are suchs mods around.
love how you just keep pumping out content We appreciate you Milo
MAD RESPECT for calling out Activision for their dogs**t financial decisions.
This mod should have been rolled out without issue.
The only reason Activision didnt do this earlier is to drain the pockets of their fans.
It's disgusting that companies whose main revenue is consumers would do something like this so obviously trust-breaking and still expecting them to continue buying their games.
It's such short term thinking. What they are doing here is effectively taking their most passionate customers and spitting in their face. Consumer trust is paramount, especially within the tech industry. Doing what they've done is prioritising quarterly profits with no regard for the consumer drop-off that will have an effect on them in the years to come.
But the exec who made this decision will probably have moved onto another company by then so why would they care?
An analogy:
People staying in your house while you're away don't need to steal anything for you to be upset that they used your house. And you won't except their excuse that you left your door unlocked and that they didn't steal anything.
What Activison did with the sale before the release and shutting it down last second feels actually more like getting robbed at this point
Milo, you absolute king 🙌🏻. Predicting straight out of the gate the hate and uniformed insults of people immediately needing to categorize your content to an extreme of either shilling or being purely negative doomer takes. And then in your very next video, getting shoved into said extremes on twitter and then in the very comment section of this video. Although you already know this, the people who also aren’t deranged and understand that people can account for personal inherent biases while also maintaining objectivity and neutrality are often less vocal as they don’t feel a need to shout their opinions and throw you into some extreme catagory. So although the main comments might be absolute nonsense, remember a vast majority of sane people really appreciate your honesty. ❤ Now more than ever it is clear that you are (and always have been) a voice of reason and create well-informed and researched content that matters. Keep on going king, the sane Zombies and gaming community are proud of you.
I find it stupid how Activision lets Bo3 mod clients get through, but wont let a huge passion project get through when you have to buy the base game to even use it. Some Bo3 clients just allow you to Pirate Bo3 entirely.
There is literally a full fan made sequel to Portal 2 on Steam.
Why is no one talking about how Milo said activision did something to keep him from posting the end to his Washington DC trip series 25:31
Literally bought mwr on steam yesterday for this mod... I'm really not getting bo6 now even if the beta is good. This company is THIS hellbent on killing old cod in favor of new cods, even though everyone that wanted mwiii already has it.
So many games on steam have a "Workshop" where people can post their mods and creations meanwhile Activision is just like "But but but buuuuttt, what about Black Ops 6?"
Thank you for talking about this. Mad respect ✊
I'm loving the MrRambleWaffles arc
If you really want to stick it to Activision, you should not buy Black ops 6. What I think happened is that they don’t want any other distraction on the run up to Black Ops 6
i really dont think they care about that, they just dont want random groups of people modding their IP
They’d still shut it down if COD was in its yearly dry stage; they want you to forget how COD was. Old games show you SBMM, wank movement and bundles hurt the game by exploiting the meek that don’t know better.
Activision deserves better. They're not like Sega or Rockstar where they were impressed by the mod and they can hire them but instead they went on damage control, cease and deceist the mod clients and make them look like they're more important. Selfish behavior from a totally normal AAA company
Glad to see you back and stronger than ever remember your videos of you going through some things, glad to see your doing great 🙏🏼
Activision decided to go against modders modding old cod games while they won't do anything against cheaters in the modern cod games
Activision: shuts down a H2M mod even though the mod wont be getting single dime since the mod is made for the community by the community
Cod community: [Everyone disliked that]
The simplest way to solve this is giving a grace period to enjoy the mod, "we do not condone the use of our assets for thirdparty use, but we understand the enjoyment this has brought to the community, therefore we will be shutting this project down but feel free to enjoy it until August 28th" something along these lines that way they atleast get some time to enjoy it and the devs who worked on it can see their passion throughout
THIS
Nah
We just need to mass sue Activision for not fixing their own games for shitty servers in MW3 but then they get pissed when we want to do it ourselves.
Lol, you can't sue them at all if you played the game and accepted terms of service.
@@20eyesmisfit do you even know what your talking about. A shit load of people paid for a game pacificly to play the mod and they knew about it for months and said nothing until day of release. So you sound like one of the COD sheep that like getting bent over. And were is that in their terms and service, getting f__ked.
@@20eyesmisfithahah i can so fuck em
@@20eyesmisfit unfortunately
None of this was someone fixing the servers Activision pays for. But hey it's better to just be hateful then first make sure you understand what's going on.
Good video Milo!! One thing for me ... You should have touched on two more aspects: first modding is super useful to ATVI Studios for recruitment (many former and actual COD devs comes from modding) and second, the fact that Activision is happy for assets to be ripped of any of the COD games to be used as "Renders" or Thumbnails or social media/portfolio... Basically this sort of shutdown the "protecting their IP" type scenario. They basically dont mind assets being ripped and used as long as it benefits them. As I said on Twitter, H2M is not the first project to be C&D last minute, sad but totally predictable as ATVI not benefitting from it beyond the sale of MWR (which now will get refunded en mass). Oh and lastly, BlackOps did get tools (minus mapping) but they were not very popular. H2M Should try make their game "legally" on BO3 as its totally doable imo.