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- Опубликовано: 1 янв 2020
- In this video I will share my thoughts on two of the different Festool Track Saws and share my experiences with them to help you determine which track saw is right for you. I am fortunate enough to own both the TS-55 and the TS-75. I will discuss what I use each for, and what caused me to buy the TS-75 after already buying the TS-55.
These two track saws are hands down the most common tools that I receive questions about. I took the most common questions that I get asked and answered them in this short video. Hope you enjoy.
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That was awesome! I always appreciate when people give their honest opinion on which tool they would purchase if they could only have one. And you explained why! Thank you very much for this video!
You’re very welcome
'Better to have and not need won the day'!! Purchased the 75 two days ago - thanks!!
Nice!
Wanted to write the Same 😂😂😂 i‘ll go for the 75 as well 💪🏻
Yes!! You answered all my questions about these two saws!! Thank you sir, always enjoy your work and content. Keep it up!!
Glad to hear it
Jason, Great video and I thank you for putting this and other video like this out. As a retired 12H Construction Engineer (2014), I can appreciate what you are doing to educate everyone with wood working. I look forward in future videos.
You’re very welcome!!
Great job as always Jason! Interesting to see your opinions on both saws. Keep up the great work you do!
Thank you. I appreciate that!!
Great video review. It is nice to get information based on user experience. Thanks Jason
You’re welcome!!
That’s what I thought!
But now I’m 100% sure what I need to get .
I’m going for TS75
Thanks for explain everything about
Very good information to know for anyone considering buying a track saw. Thanks for sharing!
You’re welcome!!
I own the TS75. A couple of extra points worth making when comparing the two are:
The TS55 is no powerhouse, it’s a precise, clean machine. If you want to fly through thick, dense wood, say green oak for exterior joinery, just buy something else, it’s not made for that.
If you take a closer look at casing/blade housing on the TS55, you’ll see that it’s perfectly flat. So, if you want to cut along the edge of something already in situ, for example, follow the skirting/kick board whilst cutting wooden click flooring, you can make your cut within a few millimetres of the board.
On the TS55, the blade engages against the anti-splinter guard from about 15mm upwards, so if your cutting relatively thin panel stock for cabinetry, the anti-splinter guard is doing its job.
Meanwhile, the TS75 is a powerhouse. It’s powerful and precise, but it does have some disadvantages against the TS55. It doesn’t have a flat blade shroud, so you can cut as close to skirting/ kick boards or similar obstructions. On cutting thin sheet material, typically used in cabinetry, the blade doesn’t engage the anti-splinter guard early enough, so used be cutting materials without the benefit of the guard, which is absolutely key to how you get such a clean cut from Festool saws. Obviously, the TS75 is also heavier, more cumbersome, and more expensive in blades/consumables.
Festool use their own fairly unique kerf width blades, it’s high quality steel, so the kerf is a bit thinner than usual, which obviously helps with cutting power. If you have ideas of buying a Festool, then putting cheap Freud blades in it, or whatever, you’ll be disappointed with the power.
A very important point that I think was missed? Is in regards to the cutting depth. Both saws are primarily designed for use on the track, as a result there’s some loss of cutting depth, on the track the TS55 drops from 55mm to 49-50mm, and obviously for the TS75, depth drops to 69-70mm.
Last point. A lot of users are saying that the TSC55 (identical saw, but running on batteries) seems to be a tad more powerful than its mains powered sister, the TS55. When I get around to buying the smaller saw, it’ll be TSC, or the Maffell (even better build quality and a more powerful motor).
Thank you for adding all this 👍
This is probably the best RUclips comment I've come across. Thank you for taking the time and sharing your insight and knowledge about the small details, it is much appreciated.
I went with the 75 for end trimming thick table top panels. Pretty much the only thing I use a hand held saw for in my shop.
Thanks for posting this video...Huge help! It's the 75 for me.
Glad it helped!
"I'd rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it." I say that all the time.
I wish I had the TS 75 when cutting 1.75 inch Ash Butcherblock.
Very informative video. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
You’re welcome
Nice to see the comparison between both units. If i were in the market for one, your suggestion to get the 75 was very helpful for all the reasons you gave. That was a nice touch.
Slightly unrelated but, I recall a youtuber named “AvE” doing a teardown on a ts55 and evaluating the engineering behind it. It was kinda neat to see and of course his colorful explanations lol.
Interesting, I would like to watch that!
Thanks for the info jason.
You’re welcome 👊🏼👊🏼
Excellent advice like always!! Thank you
Glad you found it helpful
I purchased the Festool Domino about a year ago and didn’t really understand the proper setup and use and frankly was frustrated with it and stuck it in the back of my shop. I had a project I really wanted to use it on a few weeks back. I found your video about the Domino and it just clicked, everyone else left a lot of the little details out. To the point! I have since purchased the 125 Rotex WOW it’s awesome, and the ETSC 125 so I LOL 😂 when you said the Festool “Rabbit Hole” I have the Makita cordless 36v track saw and love it, but I woke up this morning thinking what’s the difference in the 55 and 75 Festool tracksaw and am i missing something. Well you did a great job at explaining it as I’m thinking my next purchase or build is going to be a MFT table. Not sure if I want to purchase the Festool MFT or build one of my own. Long comment to say your awesome and I thank you for your service too. Have a great day Sir!
Very helpful.
Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome information thank you!!!
You’re welcome
I made this saying up and it applies to most things in life. You are a prime example with your saws. "You can use less of more, but you can't make more of less". I have the TS 75 because of this. It can do everything the TS 55 can and more it just weighs more. This is not a rifle, you are not carrying it for miles more likely a few feet. When you cut a board, you are not even carrying it.
Good way to look at it.
I bought the 75 first cause I could only afford one and needed the depth of cut. But I am definitely eyeing a 55 for sheet goods, possibly cordless.
I have given some thought to the cordless recently
You are a fantastic instructor. I taught 8000 people to hang glide. I found out that I was a better instructor than a hang gliding pilot. LOL! I do hold the Outer Banks longest single soaring flight which is 7 hours. So I guess I wasn't too horrible. I really like your videos and content. We should have a beer one day! Thanks for all the info!
I would love to have a beer sometime and thank you
👍I calculated the additional $135 fine tooth blade plus the longer, $80 more expensive rail when considering the 75. When you add that factor to the difference it’s 33% more (assuming one wants the equivalent fine tooth cutting). It’s all about solving your problems. Great review.
Also great points and thank you!
So the ts75 takes a different track than the ts55??
@@spkendrick not exactly… it requires more length for the same distance because it’s a larger saw.
Totally agree with your conclusion but I went for the hk85 which can also use the fsk guide rail and it will take a rebate cutting block. It will still plunge and use standard guide rail.
Just bought a new 55-might return and exchange for 75 since I don’t plan to own 2 and do everything on the MFT/Assembly table combo
Thanks for the comparison. I recently purchased the 75 mostly for the reasons you mentioned. I am getting an MFT so we’ll see how it goes. I may want to eventually get a 55 but as long as it doesn’t get too cumbersome or I feel my cut capacity is too limited then I’ll probably stick with the 75 and not know the difference.
I enjoy my MFT a lot. I think you will be just fine with the 75. May just get a little heavy if you see were using it for a big project making a ton of cuts.
For how i work, mainly with 19mm ply i use the ts55, but went with the hk85 for cutting down slabs etc
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I was going through this decision about 6 months ago. I went with the TS75 because of the cut capacity. It is the only track saw on the market with a cut capacity greater than the 2 1/8 you mentionond. As you mentioned, lots of other great brands that have a track saw, but none of them offer the larger model.
It’s such a useful tool to have in the shop
That is not true. The Mafell K85Ec will cut 3 7/16" and rides on their tracks. It's in another league from these saws, and the price reflects that but for super thick stock it could be worth it.
Great job with this. I couldn't have said it any better. I too have the 75 and the 55 and as far as everything you said, like I said before, I would have said it the same way. The 75 is a beast, but its heavy. The 55 I reach for, especially if im doing lots of cuts and the material is common (non hard), less than 1in material; cause I just hate when the motor kind-of bogs down. If I'm doing work and I'm on-site, and I'm not absolutely sure it will be 1in material or smaller, and im not sure how many cuts I'm going to make, I always bring with me my 75. Yes heavier and all, but I also know its going to do what I need it to do with no issues.
For sure. There is nothing my TS 75 hasn’t been able to handle
I'm still on the fence between the 55 & 75 & I would need a dust extractor also to take full advantage. I do General construction with my father, so it would be used for cutting the bottom of doors, ripping plywood, cutting wood floor Oak transitions, buildings tabletops(only 5/4 pine right now, haven't gotten into exotics yet)building fireplace mantels & surrounds, wall paneling applications etc...My only gripe, is it still doable with the 14lb 75 to cut the bottom of doors still attached to hinges.
I think it’s certainly doable, just maybe not as enjoyable. I would say look at the thickness you think will be the max for the material you will be cutting. I would also suggest looking at the cordless version of the 55 if you plan on using it for things like you listed. May be nice to not mess with the cord.
If your doing a lot of ply I’d definitely go with the 75. I bought the 55 and it’s way underpowered for cabinetry that I do.
As a former owner of nearly all powered things Festool, the TS75 was the first Festool I purchased and man was that thing a workhorse in my shop. Absolutely loved it. Precise and exceptional cuts with the stock blade. Great for repeatable cuts on multiple sheets of plywood (would have taken much much longer on a table saw or non-fixed saw guide). Can’t attest to other brands as Festool was locally available. I may no longer be a woodworker, but man did I LOVE my Festool!!!
It’s a tool I wouldn’t want to be without
It’s $799 now….. dang
Thanks Jason, yeah I have a track saw from True Track and converted my Milwaukee circular saw base for it but when I made a dining table and I could’nt even cut 1 1/4” with it i’m like Hmmmm so yeah I’m planning on getting the Festool track saw and had already decided on the 75 cuz with me, I always like bigger and more power 😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nothing wrong with that lol
If you have both, you are likely to go for the lighter, more mobile saw (TS 55). If you can only buy one, the bigger one (TS 75) has more range and capabilities (as described in the video).
I have the tsc 55 it is very weak on wood no power in cutt in 50mm wood im thinking to switch to the ts75 cordered no need for cordless believe me
When you showed the clip of you cutting plywood on the MFT, you had earbuds in. Apple AirPod Pros? I want to have earbuds that are either noise cancelling or can mute out the external shop noises (like ear plugs). Thanks!
The air AirPods. They aren’t noise canceling but I like using them
Try Isotunes
I had a Dewalt track saw which wasn't bad but I replaced it with a 75 because I need the cut dept. It seems like something simple but if you work with material over two inches routinely you'll save your self a lot of time, effort and headaches using a saw that can one-and-done it. From my research the 75 also has the deepest cutting depth of any track saw. I just wish they made a cordless version. Really trying to ditch anything with a cord.
Awesome, I am sure you will enjoy it.
I know this is several years old but this video helped me decide to go with the 75. I was also wandering when it comes to the other tools like sanders, multi tool etc do you think it’s worth spending the extra money and getting the festool brand of that specific tool??
Yesterday I finally dropped the hammer and purchased my first Festools with the TS75 and a CT35 (and a Domino, and a Rotex 150, and a SawStop-yes I am broke now). I have never had a track saw. Just some clamps, a board, and my Makita worm drive with crap blades. Talk about clunky and heavy. I look forward to how lite weight and maneuverable the 75 is going to be. I build solid furniture using mostly 8/4 and bigger raw stock so the 75 was an easy decision for me over the 55.
One question I have is x-cut and rip blades and splinter guards. I bought a Panther blade and a cross cut blade. Do I need to worry about switching between blades and splinter performance? i.e. should I be considering a dedicated rail for each blade to ensure the best possible cut for each blade/rail system?
That’s quite the haul! As for your question as long as the blades are the same kerf I think you should be just fine. So if you have no intention on using the stock blade from Festool USA I would cut the splinter guard with one of your new blades, or one of the two blades that you plan on using and like I said if they are the same curve when you switch those out it should be no problem. But if you plan to use the festival blade which may be a slightly different curves and yes you could have a small minor issue with the splinter guard lining up with the blade. An example is I actually have different tracks for my TS 75 then I use for my TS 55 because they don’t line up perfectly
Great video as usual! Have you ever sent out any of your festool blades for sharpening? If so, would you mind sharing who you used if you are happy with them? Thank you
Thank you!! I have not sent them out before so I couldn’t say.
he said he never changes the blade
apparently festool blades dont get dull
another plus in the festool category 👍
Billy Stray they last a really long time. I have one that is 15 years old and needs to be sharpened.
@@nicolaslowman2704
that was Sarcasm lol , just having fun
i have a 75 and change blades/sharpen at least once a year ....
Billy Stray do you have a place that you recommend getting them sharpened? It’s the easiest thing to procrastinate on.
On your point about the track length needing to be longer for the TS 75, can you still use a 55" track with the 75 to cut a 48" wide sheet? Is there still enough track on both sides of the cut for the saw's base to stay square?
As far as the TS55 goes. Which saw has more power? The battery powered or the corded?
I bought the TS55 and I regret it so much. its way underpowered Im eventually going to get the ts 75 unfortunately its no where to be found right now
Try switching out the blades for different applications.
I'd rather have a 'Big', and be able to cut a little, than only having a 'Little', and not be able to cut big. I have a 75. And Yes, the times I have cut full depth are few and far between
But when you need it, it’s there 👍
Can you do this with their routers as well?
Unfortunately I only have the 1400. Maybe at some point I could get my hands on another for a video.
I have an hk85 and it's a nightmare for bevel cuts it eats up all the plastic splinter guard strip. Same thing with the ts75 probably ? or a lil' bit less
I haven’t experienced anything like that.
Just starting out with fine woodworking. My question is why a track saw v. a straight edge and a circular saw v. a table saw? Is it strictly a production decision?
I get perfect results every time with the track saw. In my case I often had slight imperfections when doing a circular saw and straight edge. Not to mention the dust collection is worth not having to spend 20 minutes vacuming up my shop after every material breakdown session I have.
Hi Michael, the track saw and table saw are used for different things. Sometimes one is more efficient at a task than the other. I purchased a TS75 over 15 years ago and I have never regretted it. The dust collection can really spoil you. Once in a blue moon, I will use a craftsman circular saw for something that I don't want to put my TS75 on and I am reminded of how there is saw dust everywhere without the dust collection. A good track saw is worth the investment if you plan on owning it the rest of your life.
Nicolas and Daniel both hit the nail on the head. The track saw is the one tool in my shop I wouldn’t want to be without.
Lots of pros and serious amateurs saying if you can only have one, get track saw. It breaks panels, cross cuts to 2", and works as jointer. If you need deeper cuts, a good job site table saw like DeWalt is far cheaper and takes up much less space than full size table saw
It looks like now there's a Festool TS 60 as well with a 62mm cutting depth and brushless motor that costs the same as the TS 75 ($799 USD without a rail), but it is the same size and weight as the 55. Have you had a chance to play with one?
I have. Quite a few times. I have one sitting in the shop now that I will be releasing a couple videos about towards the end of the month. 👍
Interesting you have only a 60$ gap between the two. Here in Germany the TS 55 rebq comes around 440€, the TS 75 around 620€.
That's a huge gap if you consider your introducing words: "I've never changed the blade". Got my TS 55 used with both a cross cut and a rip cut blade. Using the right blade for the right job makes a difference.
That’s quite a difference in cost.
I owned a TS75, TS55, and a Mafell MT55 at the same time and returned the TS55. The Mafell is superior to both saws except for the depth of cut and power of the TS75 although the Mafell MT55 does have a more powerful motor than the TS55. The Mafell style track joining system is night and day better than the clumsy Festool offering. I'm surprised that Festool thought that their approach to track joining was a good solution given their generally very nice tools and the Mafell will work on Festool tracks with an adjustment to the saw's shoe. I still own the TS75 because of it's depth of cut and it is a great saw.
I have never had a chance to use one myself. I have heard good things.
Do they both work on the same track
Mine do. I have heard some people say that it would cut slightly different but I haven’t experienced that. I also am pretty sure there are alignment options for that reason in the manual. But personally, I have not had the issue at all. I use the same tracks for both.
The 75 is too big and heavy for me to be my daily driver. Instead of burning up my $600 saw motor and overheating the blade trying to rip 8/4 stock with a finish blade (kinda dumb- sorry) I would have purchased the Rip blade for the 55. But now you have both saws so no worries, except you still have a now-dull blade on your 55. Those blades are good but they’re not indestructible. If you’re still on the same blade that came with the saw after a cpl years you’re not doing a whole lot of cutting with it.
Thank you for your input
8:15 #igiggled #imstill12ontheinside
🤣🤦🏼♂️
What’s an MFT?
Multi function table
I justify buying new tools the same way lol
What are your thoughts on the hk85?
Lol nothing wrong with that. Personally, I haven’t had a chance to try out the HK. I can definitely see how it would be beneficial, especially for a contractor
Well Jason this video sucked, you were supposed to tell me
the TS-55 was all the saw I needed, and that the TS-75 was just more saw than any
mere mortal (like myself) could possibly use. You were supposed to say thing
like; bigger isn’t always better, and since I bought it, I’ve only used it a
few times so save you’re your money and get the TS-55, it’s all the saw you’ll
ever need. But Noooo, you had to go and egg on my already inflated “Festool”
ego and encourage us to get the big one, and oh, while you’re at, get both like I
did!!! Listen, I recently got sucked into the Festool rabbit hole. It all started when I
bought a Domino DF-500 (Awesome tool), then I got a Kapex 120 (Stupid Awesome tool), then I got the mobile cart and extensions for it. Then I got a sander and a dust extractor, and besides looking at a track saw I'm cosidering a DF-700, I think I need professional help, or maybe I just shouldn’t have come here? All kidding aside, I think you made a good argument for the TS-75. I will be using it mainly for sheet goods and the TS-55 can do that all day, but I would like it to fill in where my Sawstop and Kapex might not be as well suited to handle and it is better have it when you need it then not to have it. Thanks!
Lol it happens. 🤣
8:12 You said doo-doo.
lol festool jerkfest
Jason, I love the information you provide but I am really turned off with your Festool obsession. You’re comparing saws that are ranging over $800 for the saw and guide rail (at its cheapest rail). Maybe you’re not trying to market to the weekend warrior but, I see far more hobbiest in my area that would not be able to purchase a single festool product let alone near $1K for a track saw an 106” rail.
I guess why is this “investment” any better than a kreg jig track guide or straight edge guide or a really good hand plane when used well. Or what is the market you’re trying to get to because it REALLY feels like it’s woodworkers with lots more money to spend....
I try to give info to all levels. A lot of my followers have these saws and or would like to get one. I get a lot of questions. That’s why I did this video. I choose Festool because I like the brand and the tools. Keep in mind that 3 1/2 years ago I was a beginner and hobbyist as well. Thanks for your input
If you’re obsessing over the cost of his tools, you’re approaching this wrong. Is the Festool the best possible track saw? Maybe. Do you need a Festool, or even a track saw at all, to make what he does? Absolutely not.
BnR Labs BnR Labs , right! And to an extent, that’s my point. And like Jason said, his audience must have these saws and I’m not part of that demographic in his audience. I don’t dislike Jason’s information any less and he’s extremely personable on camera - of which I appreciate and value - Festool and Incra just feel like an elephant in the room. His stuff is expensive. And like other channels (thirdcoastcraftsman, wood whisperer, and such) their content has gone from accessible and representative of the everyday woodworker to an elite tool shop. It doesn’t mean projects can’t be done (which I didn’t infer, in fact outlined other options in my comment) but it is difficult to feel represented in the craft when I don’t own green, gold and red.
@@mathewanderson2400
"represented in the craft"? what on earth does that mean?
I think you're still missing the point. It's not the arrow, it's the indian. All of these guys have these tools because it maybe makes it easier/faster/better than another tool, but I've never watched any of their videos and thought "man, I can't do that because I don't have that $4k tool" There are thousands of guys in thousands of garages banging out amazing stuff with hand tools.
But it's your money... wait, damn, it's free. Ok... it's your time, so spend it how you like. If you can't get over your hangups enough to watch the content, then don't. There are a lot of guys and gals on youtube that do things and have skills that I'll likely never have but I watch anyway for the inspiration and the entertainment.
Another point of the value of Festool Track Saws is that they deliver on the promise of precision where other less costly products can't. I am looking at purchasing the TS75 because I am working with fine tolerances and can't get bogged down correcting discrepancies of poor quality cutting. Yes, they are expensive and will cost me, but I think they're worth it.
No thanks
Once again volume is to low. I know you said I tts “just fine”... you don’t listen to it. It would effect nothing and yet you still refuse to raise it. Fine, I’ll move on, enjoy your own channel
I’m done...
Volume is just fine for me?
I pity americans for having to grow up with imperial instead of metric. 1 and 11 16's inch... haha djeezes. I'm not even sure i'm even capable writing it right, let alone measure it xD Imperial is such a inferior system compared to metric. I don't get americans stick by it.
Actually, neither of these two overpriced, over hyped saws.
no sound i'm out