Is this 32-Core Dual CPU AMD System from 2011 worth it?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
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i dont care how slow it is. for me, their is something fun about owning actual dual cores on one board. great video.
There was a time when dual CPUs was the only way to have true dual cores
You can disable 1 core per module in the bios. as a result the turbo boost will be 3.3Ghz. you can run parkcontrol to disable cpu parking.
@LabRat Knatz if you get the right stuff you can put an open source bios on them and remove the backdoors.
Googles Quantum computer recently went down.. I hear someone tried running Crysis on it.
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That 3d mark score... Double nice.
Happy Gaming :D
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2:00 oh that's not a problem, just get a usb3.0 pci-e adapter
And an PCI-E SSD adapter card. You'd still need a SATA boot drive, but all the apps and data can enjoy killer storage performance.
6969 in Fire Strike.
Best PC ever, right?
Happy Gaming :D
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I was your 69th liker on this comment.
When you have a 32core processor. But thr game only uses 2 cores that run at 2.6ghz. OOF
6 969 score on 3dmark 😉😏
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Phill man! I love your videos. You literally do all the things I want to do but lack the funds for. Thanks again!
Thank you, you make really interesting videos. Happy holidays.
Another awesome project. I hope you had a good holiday.
These dual cpu boards have always interested me. Keep up the great content man👍👍
I'm so glad you make these videos so I can look at all the nonsense I want to fiddle around with but don't have the time or budget to do. If you can run dual Opteron 6328s I'd love to see the performance difference at half the cores but at higher base/turbo frequencies. Clearly a set-up that makes even less sense because it looks like people sell those used for a significantly higher price.
They are bulldozer, so any FX Bulldozer have similar results depending on number of cores and clock speed.
LOL. this is exactly what I am gonna say.
Lol, not intended for the Gaming use. But the power usage info is useful.
So thanks a lot Phil.🙄👌
I'd still like this legacy setup 😍👍
@@IsmaelWensder unfortunately I beg to differ. An AM3+ Opteron in a consumer board despite being only 8 cores gets fairly better results. I tested that theory using my current setup downclocked to the same speed as its' 16core cousin on a g34 board. It was a difference of up to 50%fps in many games including mass effect andromeda for instance. In this case it seems more of a limitation of it being a NUMA archutecture and/or overall server board limitation. Granted on a proper board, this supermicro for instance, the results are somewhat better.
I have a pair of 6380's running and can confirm that the performance bump is significant - not really worth it though. It's was a worthwhile distraction to get it tuned and working properly but the fact is that the 2S motherboards are more expensive than the intel alternative, the best on the platform offers only mediocre comparative performance and it uses at least 20-30% extra power.
I run these and a pair of 2651v2's so i have first hand experience.
I would love more dual CPU content
Heh, if he can find the Olde celerons, on ABIT BP6. Epic
I have a dual cpu pentium 4 server sitting around. I should try that sometime. 😂️
I sure didn’t see a dual CPU video coming! Very nice! I have a pair of AthlonMP CPU’s somewhere in my stash. Doubt I’d ever find a motherboard to try them with.
Love the videos with used server/oem parts keep it up :)
Fascinating experiment, keep up the great videos very enjoyable to watch.
Thanks for playing in the foam at the trailing edge of the tech wave.
I love your videos Phil. Keep up the good work.
Many games still do not scale well with multi core cpus, expecting instead high single thread performance, might be worth trying this chip again in 1-2 years.
I mean, sure, it wont compare to the newest Ryzen/Intel chips but if games are more optimised to use many cores, we might see some surprising results... or not :( .
Hey phil shoutout from the states ! i really digest and love your videos that you make. I just found an old socket 754 in my tech junk yard im trying to find an old Athlon 64 for a decent price lol. i just like tinkering around with older hardware even if its almost 20 years old. my first build was on socket 754 a Sempron 2600 "SDA2600AIO2BO" that was well over a decade ago , its crazy to say that.
I like what you do on your channel, thx !
It's like having 32 totally useless people to help you with your tasks. At least half of them would be loitering around doing nothing, the others wouldn't give much help either.
sounds about right when you consider that bulldozer "modules" cant act independently.
Server CPU's are meant to run many tasks on one machine. My server uses full advantage of its cores through virtualization. Instead of having 1 windows machine, why not 4?
@sajber kurajber
You can't really compare GPU cores to CPU cores, GPU are specific to some "tasks", and these "tasks" here are just Graphic rendering with API's like OpenGL, DirectX, Vulkan etc. They are very heavily multithreaded and hence can utilize the 2000+ CUDA cores modern GPU's have
I had to look at the video again. Thought you where explaining how the government works.
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Love these types of reviews, Phil. Even though these older processors aren't the highest performers, they can be very fun to experiment with and frankly, affordable under the right circumstances.
That Supermicro board looks great.
Thanks Phil for trying out every idea I have ever had! Now, if you'll get a Via Quadcore or Zhaoxin system. ^_^ The old Quadcore boards are stupid expensive for the performance and I've never seen a Zhaoxin anything for sale . Anyways, thanks for the awesome content Phil!
Thanks for the great video!
Thank you Phil for putting the money down for one of those mobo's just so we could see whats what, they arnt cheap when i looked at them
Great video, great system!! (I'm talking from my hardware collector perspective, of course, not performance wise :-P).
watching ... hoping for cinebench numbers... and you did. Awesome.
This may have been decent rig for a web or application server.
I like how you give tips on improving each game’s performance in case anyone goes out and replicates this build. :P
I love these dual socket game benchmarks!
Quality content right there
It would be interesting to see how a couple other apps run, such as blender or some compression/decompress software, for basic workoload indication. Cool tests on old hardware, keep up the good work.
This would be awesome for a gaming room: 3-4 VMs with their own GPU, monitors, and peripherals.
Does this platform even support PCIe passthrough?
Phil, I think you should consider doing benchmarks which include OBS streaming and video rendering. Most people don't care about content production but it's nice to know whether it would be an option if ever the need arose. With that many cores, it should be effortless to have OBS software encode in the background.
When you say most people, are you using a sample size of one?
I guarantee quite a few people are wondering if a 32-core machine is capable of performing properly in content creation workloads.
I definitely wish it was more common to run encoding benchmarks.
I approve this setup!! Nice dual cpu board with alot of 16x slots. The issue is that it is just not effective for the money. But if you find it free or cheap it is fun to play with
Victor Bart - RETRO Machines exactly, I stumbled upon a dell 690 and it was worth the $8 for 16 gb of ram and dropping a gtx 1050 ti in it and adding to my gaming PC collection (I have five kids) and this PC has far more games as options due to sse 3+ support
I agree with your assessment 100%, however I still really enjoyed the vvideo.Thank you. 👍🙂👍
Great vid. I have messed with the older opeteron CPU's in the past, and found the "bulldozer" to not be very fast, but slow and reliable. I have a few servers running them running with basic stuff. My current gaming/video/streaming rig is a dual Xeon on an Intel board... Certain models are great for this kind of combination of work, and are a bit of fun to play around with. If you search around, you can find them pretty cheap.
I'm sure many people would appreciate some more production oriented benchmarks. It's a bit frustrating that you admit it is definitely not made for games, but you still focus the bulk of your review and conclusion on them.
Maybe some blender/premier/z-zip tests?
I'm really loving your channel since I live in South America and most parts are so expencive just because it has a corei in the begining lol no joke here in Chile a 2gen i7 goes for 100bucks and 60bucks for a 2nd gen i5
I find you videos to be very well done, interesting, and informative. I know that the focus of these videos you do is gaming on older hardware, But I ask you to please consider adding a Blender Benchmark score to your builds. Blender can use either GPU - OR - pure CPU cores/threads to render, and now has the built-in ability to use multiple network machines in a render pool there many users that build their own local render farms. It would be very helpful, (and could add some new viewers) by adding the Blender Bench mark for people that build machines to render, color grade, animate and other uses in addition to gaming.
My current Windows 10 based Blender machine is a Asus B450 Mother Board, Ryzen 2700x, 32GB DDR4 2933 ram, 1TB 3D NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD, 550W power supply, and I repurposed an old GTX 1050 TI video card and old case from a previous system. The total cost was just around $780 USD.
At 4Ghz all core:
Cinebench R15.0 CPU score average of 1,785
CPU-Z multi core benchmark 4,882
Blender benchmark CPU (quick score) of 18:48.68
* As a note, Blender typically renders MUCH faster under Linux. Even just booting my machine into a Linux environment from an old USB2 thumb drive without any optimizing gives me:
Linux Blender benchmark CPU (quick score) of 14:22.63 - So whatever you get under windows you can expect far greater rending on Linux.
Instead of building another machine like mine to farm rendering, It ‘appears’ that I could easily build 2 of these systems from this video cheaper and have a much higher possible rendering capacity. BUT that’s presuming an extrapolation based on the Cinebench and CPU-Z scores. It would be so much better to have a blender benchmark score for an ‘apples to apples comparison.
You don’t need any familiarity with blender to use the Blender benchmark you just unzip it to a folder and run it, you can get the test from here opendata.blender.org/
there is information on the benchmark itself and the database they keep
www.blender.org/news/introducing-blender-benchmark/
Thank you for the time to read and hear me out.
The original Threadripper.
I wasn't expecting to see this video so soon. You work fast :D
Did you try the modded OC bios I sent you? Or will that be another video?
I used to run a workstation with those exact processors doing video editing, it was slow compared to the Intel xeons at the time. Those bulldozer chips just weren't up to snuff.
Interesting video 👍
It was really amazing!!
I'm Still rocking Sims eons from 2012 and I have to admit I'm still really happy with them they still work fast and with new boards coming out where you can overclock them lots of potential.
I wish there was some overclocking that was on the platform for AMD because I'm sure it's possible.
I mean Lee actually do work on my machine and every once in a while and my son comes over he games and even though I have an older Dell OEM T 3500 the sucker really kicks ass with a 1070 Founder's Edition GPU
there has to be a killer app that should be in your next test run where you can actually use all those cords to actually do some real work that would be fun around the house or fun to actually do.
Sehr gutes Video 👍
I wish I could get my hands on this hardware so I can experiment with vulkan wrapping games and forcing thread utilisation to change.
Thanks Phil for spending on that $upermicro board. I have one of their boards (single socket Xeon I use for a NAS), and man, what a rip. I'd never get to see such a silly setup if not for your time, effort and cash.
Judging by the dust in your area I'm guessing Broken Hill Mad Max country? (I'm from the NT, but now live in North America).
Totally worth as a home server. I'm planning to get a quad 16-core version. For my projects that will be more than enough!
Did you count the power cost? That's one reason why I'm switching everything to Raspberry Pis.
Crysis only optimised up to 3 cores usage.
I had i5-4670k and the game console reports only 3 cores were used instead of 4, running fairly smooth over 60 fps with maximum details (paired with RX 590).
RivaTuner overlay reports the same.
And how about renderimg, editing videos and using this machine as a workbench.
Could you include this mini section of this in your future videos?
I cant stop watching ur vid
Nice review... I have one of these cpu back then, but i didnt have the mainbord untill now.. so im curious about the performance.
For perspective: My Ryzen 3600x (6c/12t) oc'ed at 4.2ghz gets around 1600 in cinebench 15. I would not have guessed that is was faster. Good video.
Thats a nice setup and sure its fun to play around with. Despite having 32 threads i prefer dual socket 1366 with two xeon X5660´s on it. It does performe well and runs very stable on a normal ATX motherboard, so no oversized plattform. Maybe you could test some of the dual 1366 mainboards out there and check if theres a competition in price/performance. Would be awesome to see. Nice video, keep up the good work.
Thanks for taking the trouble to do this, Phil.
you know, H8DGi-F has a OCNG5 BIOS that allows these processors to overclock, I have made 6276s hit 2.9-3GHz on decent cooler so look into that if you are interested
will that board run the 6300 series CPU's?
there was a good increase in performance to the new generation but not all boards take em.
but if they do the 6380 isn't that more expensive than it's 6200-series predecessor.
@@brrebrresen1367 these boards will run 6300 series processors with BIOS update, the 6300 series with overclock could hit 3.2-3.3GHz All core
me too same board 3ghz all cores
Great vid, very informative.
Though it's a bit weird to see you disassembling the PC as you talk instead of assembling
Très belle démonstration. J'apprécie beaucoup l'objectivité de vos analyses. Elles sont un précieux guide si toutefois l'envie nous prenait d'essayer une telle configuration. Grâce à vos vidéos on a comme toujours une vraie approche de ce que l'on pourrait obtenir et en termes de résultats techniques et en termes de finances. Bonnes fêtes de fin d'années 🎄🎁✨🎈🧨🎃 à vous et bonne continuation. Merci de France !
Now install Linux on it and setup a nice server with VMs so those processors feel at home.
cool! to look at dual socket!! Need more!!! like lga 1366!!
At 7:27 was the cpu utilization frozen or this game just using constant resources all the time?
Thank you for your videos. Your channel opened a new world for me. :)
Hmm definitely looks like a bug or glitch :)
This board would be awesome for a multi head virtualized XP retro machine (like LTT 7 Gamers, 1 CPU).
I'm just trying that experiment with a dual Xeon 2620 board from a few years back. Performing like a champ in Win 10 at the moment, good few years of service left in it.
Your channel is cool.
The core usage on Apex Legends and TR! If anything the abundance of cores shows how many games are now using more than 8 threads! (Then look at Strange Brigade only using two...) Very interesting video Phil, thanks. This setup is not useful for most any more considering its cost, but at least we can come away knowing now more than ever modern games need more cores. Even 6C/12T is already looking rather mid range at this point.
Another great video but I question the 130W idle draw, that seems way too high.
Also you could investigate using Nvidia Frameview to really test the FPS - it gives important frame time data which translates to how smooth the game feels. Also some video encoding benchmarks would be nice for other streamers and such. Perhaps compare to buying a modern encoding system or whatever.
Cool video
I enjoy the videos you make with using previous generation hardware and see what is good for gaming on a budget, I'm a budget conscious gamer as well. Tho I don't have the extra funds to do what you are doing. However, is there a chance you could add something like League of Legends or Diablo 3 to your testing? Just to give a different perspective for those that don't play the first person oriented titles. Thanks and keep up the great content!
Bulldozer + 2.6GHz in gaming, yeah, that didn't go well!
Who knew 32 shit cores were still going to be most shit! 🤣
my i5 2300 was only 2.8Ghz with 16 gigs ram and a shotty gtx 750 (not a Ti card) and the only game I could find it could play was Star Citizen (at 40+gig game not surprising lol)
How do the current gen consoles manage it with 8 AMD cores at lower speeds than this? They don't have Zen cores, either.
@@wal81270 different CPUs can do a different amount of computation per clock cycle, and the rate at which data can be transferred to and from the CPU is also very important. This is a gross oversimplification, but that's the gist of it all.
@@notabagel - Are you serious with this? The 8 core CPUs used in PS4 and XboxOne are Jaguar. This is a microarchitecture from 2013 that has nowhere near the IPC of intel at the time, nor even comparable to AMD Zen chips now.
You can have this as quad socket setup too, try that next :)
Server boards are beautiful.
I have an AMD quad socket opteron board from just before bulldozer came out. It also runs sata 2 and ddr2. It was a 16 core beast when i built it in 2010 though.
I would love to have this motherboard. Comparing with my AMD Phenom 4 core... this is way better then mine.
My Ryzen 2 beats this dual CPU setup! So glad I upgraded. My old CPU was a Bulldozer. Would just die trying to play VRChat. Other games seemed better. But now EVERYTHING runs smoothly.
ive been looking for a decent review... looking at doing a similar build for a Server/Workstation hybrid ... need to free up my main pc
It's interesting to see the new AAA titles using so many cores pretty amazing.
Yea. Maybe I'm missing something, but a steady ~60FPS seems fine to me.
These systems run very fine (even 3d games) when splitted in two with "Aster Pro Software".
Phil should try some time the trial version.
Perneta what it's that software exactly?
What exactly happens to a system when it is "splitted in two"
Nice to see this hardware again!
Something you might want to look into - I used to have a 1P Opteron 6274 "overclocked" to the max all-core turbo frequency on all cores. There was (is?) some software that changes the power management behaviour to force the max all-core turbo at all times.
Would be interesting to see the results with an "overclock" :-)
I have some old Geekbench results showing the change in multi-thread perf.:
browser.geekbench.com/geekbench3/5965
browser.geekbench.com/geekbench3/5965
Would love to know how it would handle Premiere and After Effects... Thanks for the video!
nice set...would be a nice vm server, would love to have such set, to play around with
love the cpu usage for shadow of the tomb raider 8:12 , very cool
Do you plan on testing opteron 6300 series processors, Phil? They should be a good bit faster as they are at least based on Piledriver and not Bulldozer. The clock speeds are also higher on these.
Can be cool to have some productivity test. This high core count can be nice for virtualization I guess.
I know your style is gaming testing, but this system, as you said, is usually not for that purpose. So please do some more when testing a server configuration like this. Love to see how its rendering and calculating performance.
I guess it should be a video render beast !
Still works not to bad for gaming and for a workstation. I'd be using it as a server more than anything else.
Nice fire strike score
You can overclock these Supermicro G34 boards with a custom bios. I have a quad socket with 6378s. Got them up to 3ghz.
Great video. I would like to know, which new games are good for old many core systems? Doom, strange brigade, shadow of the tomb raider. Any others?
I just found something that overwhelmed my 32 cores Opteron build, and it is 4K Video render, it suck all resource available on both CPU completely.
Do you have an issue with PCI-Express lane for graphic card only show as x8 after power cut once? I used to have 2 of this motherboard and both have.
could u show us how good is it on video render?
@ I can but it will not so soon. Last time I used that machine is around 47 minutes for 32 minutes 4K30p footage (with some 2560x1600 footage in it) exported from Adobe Premiere Pro CC 2017.
@@sophustranquillitastv4468 thank for information, thats what i wanted to know... not gonna invest on a machine like this then
Hello, Since you are visiting dual cpu setups you might wanne look at the asus Z8NA-D6 combined with 2 xeon X5675's.
You can find the mainboard on aliexpress for about 75us$, you might have the xeons allready.
i believe there is modified bios for some supermicro G34 motherboard that allows you to overclock. have you ever tried overclocking these opterons?
Hi @PhilsComputerLab, it is not simply due to clockspeed, but more heavily towards architecture. If I downclock my Ryzen 5 1600 from 3.6Ghz down to 2.1Ghz I am roughly at the IPC of my FX 8350 (4.2Ghz), which is also roughly two times the IPC of this opteron of yours.
Sad that most games rely so much on single core performance, but also slightly understandable in the past due to multicore programming difficulty.
Thanks for this, it answered a couple questions I had myself. It almost seems to be a lot of bottlenecking due to the NUMA architecture afterall. There is a performance issue with switching threads across nodes in highly threaded apps. Could you try using "CorePrio" and dissassociating the nodes to see if it improves things? It is an issue under threadripper as well and I did see some gains with a single 6380.
bitsum.com/portfolio/coreprio/
It's showing them as 16 cores and 32 logical threads because the windows 8+ amd CPU driver was updated to make it "try" and place load not on the same module as there is a 50% penalty for doing so (basically treats the cpu like ht/smt)
there should be a option to stabilise performance in the bios by setting module to core count to 1m/1c ratio from 1m/2c this should improve games performance by making sure the games/programs only use 1 core per 1 module so resources are not been shared (should stop inconsistent fps)
Not sure if this bulldozer dual socket setup uses numa nodes so the other cpu would Likey been doing nothing (taskmanager performance cpu around where cpu count is it may state the numa nodes is, if so dual socket is pointless test in general as don't think I know any game that is numa aware so one socket and only 1 bank of ram will be used)
Imagine how power elements on motherboard will be hot.
Nice video. How did you get all CPU percentages on the screen?