Why The TVA Didn't Arrest Steve Rogers
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
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It’s really hard to imagine Steve blending in, working on the docks or something, knowing Bucky is out there somewhere under Hydra control. To allow Hydra to rise, to take the lives of Tony’s parents.
He had to. Cuz he knew the Steve Rogers that would come would always come.
@@OkokBoior him sitting in peggy's basement 'not affecting anything because future ' is just really really dumb because him going back to the past wasn't thought through in the first place.
tbh he could have supported making shield all along.
Certain things you need to allow for justice to prevail, now ya'll know how much God has to put up with our bullshiit. 😂
Certain things you need to allow for justice to prevail, now ya'll know how much God has to put up with our bullshiit. 😂
So by that logic Captain America kissed his own niece in the Civil War. 💀💀
At that time he didn't knew
Peggy's niece, but yeah
@@Marco2marco-ir7nuaccording to this video she is Steve and Peggy's niece
Steve created an alternate timeliness for himself. So in this timeliness, he never did that
@@lillyburt4229 Not exactly. If Steve remained there TVA would've evicted him. But since he returns this timeline normally that means that Steve and Peggy are meant to be together and that timeline became the past of the current timeline. So in a way Steve is the hidden husband of Peggy that no one knows for obvious reason.
That’s why steve never ended up a trillionaire stock trader 😂
Or probably he did but he put a fortune on wothless scam crypto
@@valthenvega2434thanks boogy2988!! You messed up caps money dreams!
No
The best comment here😂😂😂
Nah, he’s an honest man, he wouldn’t have done such a thing to the country he loves.
"If I tell you what will happen, then it wouldn't happen" - Dr Strange to Tony Stark.
Maybe Strange saw that variant too...
@@1alpha38no strange saw Tony dying and because of his paranoia and his nightmares and panic attacks he wouldn’t have made the sacrifice if he knew it was coming.
@tac-os2970 no, he saw Tony coming back as Dr Doom 🤣
That makes allot of sense, but does that mean cap kissed his own great granddaughter sharon carter???
lol
That's her niece 😅
Thats somehow way worse
He didnt know .
grand niece
Peggy: Wait, we use nukes??
TVA: We would like inform you about your extended car warranty
at the point in which Cap returns to peggy WW2 already ended so the nukes would have already been used on Japan.
I never noticed Peggy beeing brought in by the TVA in the background. Awesome detail
Its confirmed that it isnt even a Peggy variant
@@Bentheminor1847then who is it ?
@@Bentheminor1847then who it may be, grown up Anna Frank?
Where was it confirmed?
@@valthenvega2434 It was confirmed that it was amelia earheart.🤔
Captain America watch earth getting invaded for 2nd time be like. It not my problem 🤷
I would enjoy a captain america movie that's just about him returning the stones and getting back to the woman he loves.
Brooo
Yes please
It can be a short animated series but it should be made
it is confirmed.
Could be a six episode tv show where each episode is centred around returning one stone with a small sequence at the end of the show showing his life with Peggy that coincided with events within the mcu
Can’t forget what the TVA said to Loki after he asked about the Avengers time traveling, “what they did was supposed to happen and what you did was not!” Or something like that.
Nailed it. I just left rhe same response. This guy is way off in imagination land.
So if they were supposed to take the tesseract in 2012 and not go back even further and take it from a military base with some pun particles then that means they did not do what was suppose to happen
@@nathanleifer3093 It doesn't matter where they got the tesseract from. The Avengers were supposed to balls it up in 2012, to get it the way they got it in the 70s. Loki escaping with the tesseract was what the TVA was mad about it, not what the Avengers did (which they made clear in the show).
Avengers using the time machine in the Endgame was part of Cannon event, they were supposed to use it to bring back the dusted and defeat prime Thanos again.
Captain going back to Peggy was a Cannon event. Two Steve Rogers existed in the same sacred timeline and it was a cannon event. I am pretty sure the Cap who went back to Peggy and kept his identity a secret knew that other Cap existed who was frozen and asleep.
Whereas, the Loki who escaped was an Anomaly which led to creation of separate branches and timeline hence the TVA was after him.
So Loki was responsible for their mistakes.
It's been years already and these guys still get the TVA's purpose wrong.
THANK YOU !
Loki has been chosen for a specific purpose.. of course he was "arrested" --'
Also cap going back was a part of the timeline so it was never a breach. He never changed the flow of time as it should be as it was already destined to be that way.
@@vibhavrao7799 In Loki season 2 they stated that it was a cannon event and had to happen
@@Audon4150 The end of the show literally spells out that he was captured for a purpose and yet these AI trash channels want to rewrite history.
@@Vinchezno These channels seem to forget that it HAD to happen so "this" loki could become God of Stories.
It is not that the TVA goes after people who tampers with TIME... They go for people that tampers with the CORRECT timeline creating branches...
they are now going for deadpool too
That version of Peggy should be rescued from the TVA
She must have ended up in the Void. And who knows probably eaten up by the Alioth.
too late 🤣
That wasn’t Peggy
@@kingonslaughtit literally was
@@Shrektheogre2It literally was not. It’s Amelia Earhart.
I like to think that the last stone Steve returned is the soul stone and Red Skull reminded him that he had a life before he got frozen and that he go back and live it.
Ngl, going back to Peggy was a shitty thing to do after he judt gor Bucky back, but..the scene with Steve and Peggy was actually kinda cute
he told Buck prior.
Those British buns are much attractive than an American hot dog
@@sersastark Bucky likely convinced him to do it
Well I think Bucky likes his life rn
I imagine Steve expressed his wish to go back, mostly joking. But then Bucky told him he should, and that he'd be okay. Because he 100% knew what was going to happen before Steve even stepped on that platform. That wasn't a spur of the moment decision, they planned that. Hence why Bucky didn't talk to Old Cap, he'd already said his goodbye to Steve. That moment was for Sam to say goodbye and inherit the shield.
Dr Cox Singing voice: 'Wrong wrong wrong wrong, Wrong wrong wrong wrong!'
I mean, tbh ... we dont know they didnt grab Rogers. Those stones in the draqwer at the TVA didnt get there themselves. Who knows how many Tony Starks, Steve Rogers, Thanos's or Dr. Strange's they've 'nabbed for screwing with time ...
Yep, well not as much as how many Lokis there are
We know they didn't because he arrives at the end of Endgame as an old man.
The TVA openly said that the Avengers time traveling was part of the sacred timeline's plan
Not this Steve Rogers. An alternate timeline Steve Rogers.
And the Dr. Strange from “Infinity War” was smart enough to avoid the TVA. He, along with everyone else, didn’t do any forbidden actions, including the removal of the infinity gauntlet from Thanos, or removing Starlord from the fight, which would alert the TVA.
We do know they didnt grab steve because that is how the sacred timeline was written by Kang.....the Mainline Avengers had to do the time heist as to start the journey of "Variant Loki" The show even says that the Loki we are following is not the first attempt and Kang would tweak the "story" ever so slightly until he got the outcome he needed with Loki becoming God of stories....It really is not that complicated if you just watch the show.
Though the whole “stone missing from a certain point in time” isn’t correct since one of the Loki variants said he’d got pruned cause he killed Thor, this doesn’t involve a stone.
The stone theory was for this Loki, not that Loki. Just like Sylvie never had one. Not all Loki's are pruned because of the stones, pruning happens from deviating too far from the sacred timeline.
The thing is the avengers created parallel timelines instead of butterfly effecting. The TVA would take notice of this. Most likely this vid is wrong and the answer is simply: events of loki happened before avengers. The tva had already been dismantled
Kang choose one timeline and prunes all the others
No no no no.
That is so far off from how it works. The muliverse doesn't spit because a stone was involved. That goes against the whilr TVA series.
The TVA didn't interfere with Steve's staying back in time because they didn't stop all time branching. That wasn't their purpose. We know this, because they didn't stop the Avengers from messing with time. True, they ultimately put the stones back. Still, their actions resulted in Thanos and his entire army going forward in time. Their leaving their old timeline created a branch out of the Avengers mission to go back and retrieve the stones. They clipped that branched universe by putting the stones back, but still, Thanos created a branch in the future, which the TVA would have had to clean up. If the TVA cared only about clipping branches, they would have prevented him going forward in time.
What you are forgetting is that the TVA is the puppet of He That Remains. They clip timelines however he sees fit. They didn't stop Steve from staying back in time simply because He Who Remains wanted him in the past.
The entire Infinity Saga was orchestrated by him with the sole intention of removing a danger to himself, namely the stones. So as to bot expose himself to danger, he manipulated everyone so others wpuld remove the danger to him for him. He manipulated the Avengers to be together.
He made Thanos who he was. Thanos was vital to He Who Remains. He needed a being that not only was powerful enough to survive using the stones, but had the willpower to destroy the stones. The cost of getting him to destroy the stones was to allow him to wipe out half the life in the universe. He undid that with the Avengers. He built them up to be strong enough to defeat Thanos. He allowed the access to time travel to help with that effort.
Still, He Who Remains knew that once Thanos was defeated, he would have made the Avengers strong enough to be a threat to him themselves. Sp he also manipulated the timeline so they would be crippled during the process of defeating Thanos. Black Widow and Iron Man were dead. Thor was a broken shell of himself. Hawkeye retired. Hulk was around, but he was the most cautious of them all and would avoid time travel at all costs as his typical methodology would be to avoid using any power he had as much as possible.
All that was left was Steve. So He Who Remains both rewarded him and disabled him by allowing him to stay in the past. Think about it, Steve in the past couldn't be a hero, because he had to strictly avoid changing the timeline to avoid creating any branches.
Still, his staying back in time would have created a branch. There would have been two Carters, one with him and one without him. The Carter in the TVA was most likely the one in the universe where Steve went back to the future. As all the TVA agents were variants, it is likley they would have viewed her as a skilled potential agent and retrieved her from the timeline before they clipped it. Because, when he stayed back, they would have had to have clipped the universe where he hadn't stayed back.
So no, Steve's being able to stay back in time had nothing to dp with the stones and everything to do with removing a threat to He Who Remains.
thanks for explanation
Sounds like you should write for them instead of the shitty writers they currently have.
Wow
Yeah I think this video could've been written by AI... Or someone who didn't watch Loki
Бро написал целую диссертацию на чью-то фантазию, созданную для заработка на нём
Ты проиграл Тем, Кто Зарабатывает
I finally get why Steve said, "No, I don't think I will." when asked about his life with Peggy. It was meant to be, but it had to be kept secret from even the TVA by not influencing the timeline. There's likely a variant or 50 that tried to stop events before they occurred because let's face it, this is Captain America. He wants to save people more than most anything. But here, he has to take a backseat and be a spectator. Super happy regardless though
Short version: Steve was always meant to return to Peggy.
Pretty sure that old steve's actor was supposed to be stan lee, explaining the easter eggs
Rip Stan
I thought the directors said the never named husband wasn’t Steve
They said he was steve years ago
@@SupportGamin2024 That is literally not how time travel works in End game or in the Loki show.
Matter of fact im pretty sure her husband was saved by steve during the events of cap 1....
IF Main timeline peggy was married to steve this adds a weird layer considering HER NIECE was trying to bone her uncle... Remember Sharron......Come on man this isnt game of thrones...watch end game , and watch loki. it actually...surprisingly explains it all.
Then how the hell is Peggy explaining how Steve was in the flashback video? Why didn't Peggy recognize Steve when she saw him on her deathbed ? None of it makes any sense whatsoever
@@cade.s Alzheimer’s sucks
@@commandershepard7728 not blood related
Steve went back and became Mister Rogers.
The Tesseract isn't an Infinity Stone; it is a vessel for one. Calling it an Infinity Stone is like calling Loki's Scepter an Infinity Stone.
The stone was within it correct? He altered it's predestined location throughout time by taking it. The stone was still inside it doesn't matter if he referred to the stones container.
@@grimsgraveyard3598 Yes, I said that the stone was within the Tesseract, as that is what a vessel is. I believe saying things which are correct is better than saying things which are not correct.
@@frostjotunn362He didn't call the tesseract an infinity stone, he said the answer lies in the tesseract, the space stone. The space stone is in the tesseract, so what he said is not incorrect.
On one hand, he does call the Tesseract an Infinity Stone. He says "The answer lies in the Tesseract, an Infinity Stone known as the Space Stone."
But on the other hand, whining about that just comes across as pedantic and kind of annoying.
@@TimlerFX it's a bit ambiguously worded, and could be read either way.
That would make sense except for the fact that there are a bunch of Loki’s that are hit with the vanishing stick for changes unrelated to the stones
They don't care what you mess with. As long as it doesn't result in the rise of a KANG. Time travel itself is not taboo
It would explain why the tva has DRAWERS full of infinity stones...
That actually makes sense
That makes sense if you just apply the endgame rules, but in the Loki series they say that even if you're late for work and it wasn't supposed to be that way, the TVA would act on it. This topic always gives me a headache
They also show that some acts are insignificant enough that they don't matter.
Being late for work could end up adjusting back on it's own. But if this started a chain reaction of things that wasn't supposed to happen, that's another matter.
They go to an apocalypse scenario to show nothing they are doing there matters.
On the other hand. When Loki is about to die in one (And I think that was the cause, not the moment the lokis shared), all sorts of warning bells went off. All the time when he was on that path... nothing... it could still correct itself I assume.
Because when they made Loki the mcu had fired or lost all their competent writers
Why do you think that, good sir or madam?
@@nicholaswiktorowski3187because loki is the most incompetently written thing i've ever seen
@@puggietaurlol, I can see why you'd think that. I personally think it was fairly good compared to the other marvel trash Disney has been releasing. BUT, I do agree that the show could've done better but I liked the over flow and feeling it gave off.
it's explained in the TVA that the events in Avengers was "supposed to happen", not because how each infinity stone affects the timeline. Some actions cause a Nexus event that could potentially lead the Sacred Timeline to get exposed to other timelines where other Kangs could infiltrate. So Steve Rogers' actions could have not affected the Sacred Timeline since the He Who Remains Kang variant already knows what could happen. The Sacred Timeline is just an isolated timeline where all the MCU events before Loki happened
Steve rogers played as human torch in dead pool but he died so fast😢
Bro SPOILER ALERT 🚨 your comments for people who haven’t seen the movie, a**hole 😂
This makes perfect sense in its contained situation, the problem though is that there have been so many characters that have been pruned due to non-infinity stone events, or even major changes
yet ANOTHER plot twist based on Back to the Future
Why is the common excuse to fix time travel paradoxes, "oh, he was meant to travel in the first place even though it was never a workable concept anyone was aware of until we wrote it into the script?"
Time travel and multiverses are infinitely complex. You either need to do an insane amount of intellectual preparation to cleverly involve it in your story or expect everyone to point out all the plot holes after watching it.
i will never understand this until marvel explains it in a movie
They already explained it in Loki. The Avengers were supposed to do what they did. Loki wasn't. Thats literally all there is to it.
@@snatchr2451 Kinda weird given how Loki escaping with the tessaract was what spurred them to go further into the past to get the tessaract again from Steve's old boot camp.
Old Steve was meant to be Stan Lee. Not Chris Evans with convincing makeup. It was supposed to weave a tale of Steve keeping an eye on things as time went on. Unfortunately, Stan passed away before we could see that.
Ok, but loki instantly chased and captured, meanwhile the avengers were free for the whole movie
This is why time travel should be left exclusively to the Doctor. Because everyone forgets that time to everyone else means something totally different to the time traveling authority
That was supposed to happen with the avengers why is that so hard to understand
They explained it clearly in the shown. They didn’t stop the avengers from doing it because it was what was supposed to happen
In the words of Miguel O'Hara: "It was a canon event."
The Avengers meddling with time was **supposed** to happen in the eyes of TVA's "Sacred Timeline". Loki escaping was not part of that plan, so naturally they instantly captured him.
@@thedogwoods5716Yea but that still doesnt make sense. If their time hopping is supposed to happen then the fallout of that time hopping is also approved action. Loki was only in yhe situation to grab the space stone and port out specifically because of their time line changes. If he is guilty of being variant then the actual.time criminals who created the variant events are also criminal.
Amazing reaction to this music video and Thorfinn’s character development 🥹😁
Now I understand why there is so many timestones inside of the TVA. This explained it very well.
Have we forgotten which stone Loki was holding? ITS THE SPACE STONE! Loki didnt time travel, he just travelled.
“no i dont think i will”
saved us possibly 2 seasons
makes sense why he said it now.
what many people don’t know, is that the Steve that is in the iceberg is still there, the Steve that travelled back in time to go with Peggy didn’t tamper with the old Steve, so he doesn’t get, y’know captured but the TVA.
All these mental gymnastics to justify poor planning and writing and STILL his theory is wrong 😂
Imagine your love interrest is considered dead in war, you get all sad for 2 weeks and get arrested because you didn't got that love interest to love you.
Well Steven had a 70 years time-line to mess with, if he went back and stay on the down low change his looks and identity
Okay so from a physics perspective, endgame is the perfect example of the bootstrap paradox. (an infinite loop of time travel). In this case, as they use the multiverse theory in tandem with time travel, it's essentially like an infinite number of parallel mcu's, where every universe's avengers are doing the exact same thing, getting the stones, stopping thanos, and returning them. But additionally, Captain america was supposed to reunite with peggy. But here's the catch, the older version of cap that we see, is in fact not our cap. He is an identical version from a parallel universe. Nothing about his life is any different than that of the captain we know, but he is technically a different captain America.
It was Steve all along🎼🎤🥁
This is not a misunderstanding. That's basically how time travel works in Endgame.
War Machine suggested that they could just kill baby Thanos, and then Professor Hulk explained why that wouldn't work.
And do you know why? Because that would create an alternate timeline. There was nothing with the stones. This action would just change the past. And time traveler always changes the past because he wasn't there before.
So when does time travel work differently?
From what I can see it has nothing to do with infinity stones.
It was explained that he got arrested for doing something he shouldn't, not the time travel. In the loki show it was also explained that the avengers and also Steve were meant to time travel, so your theory was wrong.
The real answer is way better. It's because the tva doesn't care about time travel any more and because the tva is outside of time it never did care from the perspective of our timeline
Except they specifically say that when you go back the past becomes your future and the future becomes your past. And so if Thanos dying before he was able to do the snap didn’t make it so it never occurred resulting in a paradox then Steve should not be able to go to a past that would have the same falcon and Bucky in the future it would have to be an alternate timeline. Like they say specifically that they can’t change the past.
How can you get this wrong? The Loki show explains this by itself better than you can. The events of Endgame where always "Supposed to happen" to maintain one timeline, the "sacred timeline". They were supposed to travel back in time and change the events of the past. However, an "unexpected" event occurred in which Loki was able to get away, the implication being that this would cause to great of a change, declaring him a deviant and therefore captured by the TVA. Whereas Steve was meant to end up with Peggy. The stones where never a part of what makes someone a deviant, but many deviants may end up with stones.
After the final episode of loki s2
It makes sense why cap can stay in the past which might create an alternate timeline since alternate timelines are not being destroyed anymore by the TVA. But how would cap have that knowledge? Did he just risk it to be with peggy or he was always in the past all along.
bro this sounds like a cop breaking the law vs a black man
I wish Steve Roger would come back to the MCU!
Peggy even says in The Winter Soldier that Steve returned to her.
Honestly, I think it's because Steve Rogers WAS working with the TVA.
Directors wanted like that simple 😅
its because the one above all decided that this is what he wants, the TVA didnt just arrest people messing with time but they wanted certain events to happen to keep he who remains aka kang the only ruler and not making copies of him by splitting timelines
I hear from somewhere that the Stan Lee cameo all through out Marvel series was actually Steve all along, and work for multiple jobs just to stay close and watch the Avenger, but he passed away before endgame. Due to respecting him, they decide to not put it in the movie
We saw that He Who Remains wanted a Loki specifically to take over from him, and he cared about little else as long as the timeline wasn't going to create another Kang.
i always figured it was because the time line change that steve made didn't alter the timeline far enough to cause a variant of kaang that the one who is at the end kaang couldn't either handle or just become
So there should be variants of Cap who did alter his destiny
The thing with Steve is that he did not interfere after choosing to be with Peggy, which is why he returned as an old man. He let things play out because he knew they would succeed anyway.
He put time back in its place LMAO
Because the writers haven't decided on the TVA yet when Steve tempered with the timeline.
In short: Steve staying in the past is a canon event, just like the avengers going back in time.
She didn’t marry Steve in 616 timeline. She says in civil war that she’s sad Steve never got to live his life like she got to live hers. And she also says in winter soldier that her husband was a man Steve saved. Even saying after he was gone, he was still affecting her life.
None of those things would be said by somebody literally married to Captain America/Steve Rogers at that moment
We need a series about captain America returning the stones Disney if you are reading this please take notes
Peggy: "You are the father!"
TVA: it's free real estate~
Disney needs to make a series on cap returning the stones
Deadpool also went back in time and changed things but the tva said they didn’t care and were watching him do it
It’s theorized he was also the old man who stood up to Loki when he invaded that party.
He Who Remains had written how time was supposed to go. He can do things that change the timeline but still make it work, like Miss Minutes told Loki and Sylvie. He Who Remains orchestrated everything that happened up until Loki became god of the multiverse.
The answer lies in the "We didn't think of it at the time so we made up some stuff to make it work"inator
Which they will use to take over the Tristate Area
But Rogers would know both times line, "which doesn't fulfill the first one, because he isn't the same person that he would have been, if he didn't split the time line." You broke the timeline, then put a different Roger where he shouldn't have been. That would literally break the timeline, in the same way, bringing Loki to the TVA would have broken it.
Because Steve hadn't committed any crimes in 2017, Loki by 2024 was a hardened criminal committing crimes damn near every day.
Given that the entire Loki show takes place outside of time, it stands to reason that at that point in the movie, the TVA as we knew it from that scene simply didn't exist anymore and instead just Loki's world tree TVA.
Also, I could imagine "He who remains'" sacred timeline including a happy ending for Steve like that given how cinematic and storylike it had been thus far.
In Loki they say that everything that the Avengers did was part of the Sacred Timeline and was meant to happen. Loki taking the tesseract was not.
That's why Steve told Sam that he didn't want to talk about it when he asked 🤔💯💯💯
In Loki they explained that they only pruned timelines that created a kang, Steve staying in 1930 never created a kang so they didn’t care
The TVA explained that the Avengers time traveling was supposed to happen.
imagine trying not to spoil what happened in the future for 70 years
nah but the thumbnail got me tweaking
They specifically mentioned that everything the avengers did was supposed to happen. Those events were specific to that timeline in the multiverse.
The other reason could be because Loki was taken in by the TVA BEFORE Endgame was over as far as continuity goes, and since time works kinda weirdly in the TVA, it's entirely possible that the complete events of Loki seasons 1 and 2 (minus the time skip at the end) occurred in the time it took for the time heist and battle against Thanos to wrap up, meaning even IF Steve changed anything, it wouldn't have resulted in the TVA coming after him.
In the movie "Black Widow", the Red Guardian did say that he faught Captain America, and asked Natasha if Captain America mentioned him. So it's quite possible Red Guardian faught Steve when he went back in time.
I thought that the existence of classic Loki was enough to prove that someone can escape death as long as they don't interrupt any important events. Classic Loki was able to stop Thanos from killing him, and left to live in solitude. Since he didn't make any major changes to the timeline, he wasn't snuffed out by the TVA. It wasn't until after he tried to go back to the normal world that the TVA came knocking on his doorstep. Steve probably understood that if he changed anything, then the results could be catastrophic, so he probably tried to live in the background until the present day where he gave his shield to the Falcon.
It’s because Steve didn’t steal an infinity stone. They have to be in the right spot at all times.
Look like Mikey Mouse has his work cut out for him to patch all these plot holes after the final Canon episode of the Marvel universe (Avengers-Endgame).
A series based on Cap's life with Peggy.....secretly working in the shadows to fulfill the current timeline would be crazy.
By this logic then the TVA should have shut down the Avengers attempt to collect the stones and fix the snap..
Every time joker gets a therapist they go mad
Rogers a pro, in the first time heist he didn't fuck up like the other team members in getting the stones. And then he successfully returned the stones.
Star spangled man with a plan indeed.
I'll do you one better, it's because Loki and Endgame were written by actual people who's preferred diet was chalk and doorknobs.
Because they never planned for the TVA
95% of this makes sense...except in the Winter Soldier, yes Peggy doesn't name her "husband", but she discusses how Steve fought through a Hydra blockade, saving a whole force of trapped Allied soldiers, including "the man who would become her husband". Steve could hardly have saved himself 😂
Warp Zone made a great skit about Captain America’s life after endgame. Hilarious video