OMG! This was such a crazy spreadsheet to design and test. There is so much data here for everyone to play around with! I've also kind of changed my opinion in that bok choy seeds are great if you are going for value but the bok choy preserves might actually let you stay offline longer while keeping the high gold per hour rate of preserves. So, if you are looking for the best of both charts, I think I've changed from seeds to preserves for bok choy. I'll be playing around with this idea on our livestreams. I'm really interested in seeing which crops you are planning on using in your garden and hearing if this helps you see the extremes of both situations and allows you to make a more informed decision when it comes to making the most gold per hour in Palia! Let me know your thoughts and comments here and the sheet might be updated with it in the future. Also, if you have any questions about the sheet, I stream here on RUclips and on Twitch so come stop on by and ask a question live! Cheers! Aqajj
HAHAHA! It certainly is a lot of math! You don't really need to know the math by heart, you can use the colors and graphs to see what's the best. I believe you'll get it eventually!
Haven't even gotten far into the video, but already appreciating how much effort you put into this. Also VERY surprised you got pushback on the bok choy declaration last time - I switched my garden layout to do more bok choy and started raking in the gold immediately. Edit: I should probably mention that bok choy seeds work very well for me since I have a busy life + full time job, so my Palia playtime per day is quite low. Bok choy in the seeders overnight gives me so much income with minimal effort.
Thank you so much! I’m glad you appreciate it! The reason for the pushback is the fact that the seeds took so long and people mark it down for that. But I’m like you, only have a few hours to play a day so I don’t have any issues letting the bok choy just sit there and run while I’m offline.
@@Aqajj maybe im dumb but wouldnt potatoes still work better? potatoes take 84 minutes per cycle so per 24h potato can make 17 cycles making 68 seeds which sell for 20G which would made 1360G or star quality 30G per seed so 2040G. // Bok choy takes 72m per cycle so can make 20 cycles making 80 seeds which sell for 15G which would make 1200G or star quality 22G per seed so 1760G. Either that or i made a dumb mistake somewhere?
Yes, if you are just selling the seeds potatoes do come out better. But if you’re looking to make the most money, potatoes take 5 days to grow whereas Bok Choy takes 3. So Bok Choy ends up getting more crops and you can sell the excess to make a little extra money than potatoes. Otherwise, If you only wish to sell the processed seeds, then yes potatoes are better than bok choy.
The sheer amount of data here is immensely impressive. Thank you so much for putting in so much effort in analyzing and organizing this. I'm sure this will help many
My layout is a hybrid between the crops you recommend, another RUclipsrs layout and my own tweaks based on crop need… all I have to say is thanks!, I can easily make 10-14k with my crops.
This is so much more intensive than the math I did to figure out that blueberries and cranberries make the most money in Stardew Valley 😂😂 Thank you for sharing all this info! I love when real life skills can be applied to games. Although in my case, I'm the opposite in that I've found my game skills have helped me in real life lol. Viva la bok choy! I'll def be starting a bok choy kimchi farm (and bok choy kimchi sounds delicious)
I’ve just gotta say, this is phenomenal work! My brain can’t quite comprehend the complexity of it (but I revisit it often and am starting to to slowly understand a bit better) Thank you so much for your time and mental efforts towards this, it does NOT go unnoticed! Last video I started growing a lot more bok choy and it helped me immensely with gold making, so I was following closely for this update post patch. It would be cool to see a video with some different layout options - beginner and advanced - and compare with seeds vs preserves vs selling raw (not saying it would need to be you making the video bc I know that’s a big time investment, this is just a general statement) for us visual people who struggle with charts. I’ll definitely be using your charts and creating some different layout options with the gardening layout tool, perhaps I can screenshot them and share to the discord or Reddit threads to help others too. Thank you so much 💖💖💖
I tend to jump on for about 30 min to an hour twice or three times in a day, so I tend to stick to preserves as they let me log off and then just refill them when I log back on. I'm currently doing a rotation of potato preserves/nappa kimchi with permanent makers for tomatoes, blueberries & apples. I know bok preserves are supposedly better, but since I'm high level in gardening I prefer tomatoes. They yield multiples every harvest, so I don't ever run low on them.
I love seeing the math worked out like this. I am surprised though that you didn't calculate in worm farms as well (even though I know they aren't as worth it with 1.8)
My brain was struggling to fully comprehend everything but I've found my Groove with my own palia garden. I grow 4 rows of potatoes with 1 row of nappa cabbage between each pair of rows of potatoes and then the other 3 soil patches I use to grow apples and anything else I need. And I pickle the potatoes, feed the nappa cabbage to my worm and glow worm farms. And sell pretty much everything
о господи! он сделал эту таблицу, чтобы мне не пришлось. Я буквально думаю о том, что стоило бы на практике посчитать профит уже около месяца и вот оно! Спасибо!
I watched on .5x speed, rewatched MULTIPLE times and I’m still confused 😭 I thought I was decent at formulas but goddamn I clearly have much to learn 🙇🏻♀️
Wow, man. Props to you for all this effort. One question, what do weeds do? Does it affect anything if you pull right away vs leave it for some waterings?
i just wanted too know what plants i should grow and in what format, now im confused and have a headache. i didnt know you needed a degree in agriculture to play Palia.
This is certainly a guide for more advanced players looking to min max. If you’re looking for a gold-priority layout you can check out the last tab of the spreadsheet to find the bok choy layout at the bottom. If you wish to see a breakdown of the layout, the video on the channel “Best Crop Layout” from February will have that. Thanks for watching the video and I hope this was able to help you out!
In terms of the best gold per hour yes, bok choy preserves are the fastest. I said seeds would be the best because they are #1 and #2 for value then speed. But since then I realized that the preserves probably can run for longer which helps with afking. If you’re going for speed, yes, bok choy preserves would be better than seeds. Thanks for the question.
It looks like your 55 slot bok choy layout doesn't make as much money as a 59 slot bok choy layout (not harvest boosting the rice at all). Remember you can't possibly process all of your bok choy, so why bother processing the rice and wheat at all? If you keep the processors completely full of bok choy, sell all the extra raw rice and extra raw bok choy, only make rice seeds as needed for replanting them, you end up with more profit per day. I wonder if buying the rice seeds from Zeki would be better in that situation (so you can keep the bok choy processors in full swing and not have to worry about managing rice seeds in your processors - that is, getting the rice in and out of the processors fast to get the bok choy cranking again as quickly as possible). Thoughts?
I just ran some numbers, I didn't min max or anything, for the 59 slot bok choy with 28 crafters to that and 2 crafters to the rice not harvest boosted it comes out to 3751 compared to the 55 slot bok choy with everything harvest boosted with 26 crafters to bok choy and 2 per rice/wheat comes out to 3995. Now this is all theoretical assuming someone is playing 24/7, I haven't made one to account for specific play time yet but that sure would be fun. It shows that the 55 slot makes more because you lose less money by planting a different crop than you do by not harvest boosting everything. If you have the number to prove your method right, I'd love to see a short video and tag me in it or share it to the palia discord and tag me. But just know that this is all theoretical and that these numbers change a lot when you don't play 24/7. Also, check out this design I made for a single boosted crop: palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RBkRBkBkBkBkRBk-BkBkBkBkRBkBkBkBk-RBkRBkBkBkBkRBk-BkBkBkRBkBkBkBkR-RBkRBkBkBkBkRBk-BkBkBkBkBkRRBkBk-RBkBkBkBkBkBkRBk-BkBkBkRBkRBkBkBk-BkBkRBkBkBkBkRBk It provides the same boost as a 21 rice field but gives you an extra free bok choy that sadly isn't harvest boosted. I think this is the best that can be done with 1 booster. It might even be better than your 59 slot design.
@@Aqajj Nah you're probably absolutely right. I only play for 30 mins in the morning and 2-4 hours at night by the way. I didn't account for being forced to sell raw though in the Palia Garden Planner because that specific calculator assumes all of the Bok Choy is being processed, which is impossible.
Well, even at 1,000 it is still per day, it’s just the average of every day up to that point. Sure, as you see in the graph it takes a little bit for the average to level out but I keep it at 1,000 so everything has enough time to reach the leveling out point and is better for comparison similar to other charts with a static number and no variability.
Am I missing something? What kind of fertilizer should I use on this farm? Is it Quality Fertilizer (because rice and wheat already provide harvest boost?)?
It is up to you. If you are new to the game you can use quality up fertilizer to help produce star quality crops. The layout was built on not using fertilizer since it adds more work and cuts into profits depending on what’s used. So in short, you don’t need any unless there is a specific boost you wish to add.
@@Aqajj thank you man. your layout help me a lot. it's way convenient and so profitable compared to my old layout which is all tomato 😅. keep up the awesome work dude
Play hours is true hours. However it isn’t hours per day, so it really has no difference unless you only have for example 72 hours left in an event. Otherwise it just scales everything somewhat evenly and I usually leave it at 1,000 that way it hits the plateau but isn’t too much work for the computer. I haven’t made one for specific play time per day yet.
Shouldn't a potato tomato corn rice pattern be considered? or the same without the tomatoes? just potato raw average 4952/day with tomato raw average 4728/dqy Last Harvest Day 10 = 47281and 49522 only potato rice corn In any case your father remains the most commendable well done 51 976 raw Average 5198/Day
Great video, thank you ! Do you still get only star quality crops from any seed at level 25 in gardening ? I seem to have quite a bit a non quality drop at level 23
@@Aqajj Oh ok thanks :) If anyone is interested, I got 121 quality bok choy and 42 regular ones from regular seeds at level 23 and it's about the same ratio for my few wheat and rice plants
Bok choy is better the less you play since the processing times are long especially for the seeds. You can still make a lot of money by selling the raw seeds as seen in this spreadsheet but if you only want to sell processed crops, you will still make good money with preserves but seeds will be slow.
I wonder if that only works, if you are basically all the time logged in are or if this works if you only logg in 3 times a day. For me onions work perfect 😊😊
The top chart is the theoretical max gold per playing hour, so the less you play the more money you make per hour played. The bottom chart is based on playing 24/7. The candlestick chart in the top right is a visual representation of this showing whether a crop can make money while you’re offline. I haven’t come up with a way to factor in specific play time per day yet. So depending on how often you play, you’ll end up somewhere along that blue bar.
Some people find it fun to run the math and figure out stuff like this. Just because you have a different play style doesn’t another’s play style is sad. Game’s are supposed to be fun for everyone and each person gets to decide what that means for them.
There’s a ton of different garden layouts in Palia’s discord under the gardening channel. If you are looking for one to go the bok Choy route, there’s a video on the channel about my custom layout that will get you a ton of bok choy without fertilizer. The layout is best for people with less play time per day.
OMG! This was such a crazy spreadsheet to design and test. There is so much data here for everyone to play around with!
I've also kind of changed my opinion in that bok choy seeds are great if you are going for value but the bok choy preserves might actually let you stay offline longer while keeping the high gold per hour rate of preserves. So, if you are looking for the best of both charts, I think I've changed from seeds to preserves for bok choy. I'll be playing around with this idea on our livestreams.
I'm really interested in seeing which crops you are planning on using in your garden and hearing if this helps you see the extremes of both situations and allows you to make a more informed decision when it comes to making the most gold per hour in Palia! Let me know your thoughts and comments here and the sheet might be updated with it in the future.
Also, if you have any questions about the sheet, I stream here on RUclips and on Twitch so come stop on by and ask a question live!
Cheers!
Aqajj
this hurts my brain
HAHAHA! It certainly is a lot of math! You don't really need to know the math by heart, you can use the colors and graphs to see what's the best. I believe you'll get it eventually!
Haven't even gotten far into the video, but already appreciating how much effort you put into this. Also VERY surprised you got pushback on the bok choy declaration last time - I switched my garden layout to do more bok choy and started raking in the gold immediately. Edit: I should probably mention that bok choy seeds work very well for me since I have a busy life + full time job, so my Palia playtime per day is quite low. Bok choy in the seeders overnight gives me so much income with minimal effort.
Thank you so much! I’m glad you appreciate it! The reason for the pushback is the fact that the seeds took so long and people mark it down for that. But I’m like you, only have a few hours to play a day so I don’t have any issues letting the bok choy just sit there and run while I’m offline.
@@Aqajj maybe im dumb but wouldnt potatoes still work better? potatoes take 84 minutes per cycle so per 24h potato can make 17 cycles making 68 seeds which sell for 20G which would made 1360G or star quality 30G per seed so 2040G. // Bok choy takes 72m per cycle so can make 20 cycles making 80 seeds which sell for 15G which would make 1200G or star quality 22G per seed so 1760G. Either that or i made a dumb mistake somewhere?
Yes, if you are just selling the seeds potatoes do come out better. But if you’re looking to make the most money, potatoes take 5 days to grow whereas Bok Choy takes 3. So Bok Choy ends up getting more crops and you can sell the excess to make a little extra money than potatoes. Otherwise, If you only wish to sell the processed seeds, then yes potatoes are better than bok choy.
This man is the gardening master. Only if he could help with a real life garden layout. 😀
Badruu wake up aqajj new spreadsheet is out. 😂
Hahahah!! Maybe he’ll call for a collab one day 😂😂
🤣🤣 about to run him out of business
@@Umekacarter18 badruu can learn a thing or two with how much Delaila loves her gold bars. 😭
The sheer amount of data here is immensely impressive. Thank you so much for putting in so much effort in analyzing and organizing this. I'm sure this will help many
This is Master Class for Palia Gardening ❤
I think i need to lay down 😳
My comprehension is on vacation
I do appreciate this, love the passion and effort you put into this
WOW. Aqajj you have *outdone* yourself!
Hahaha!! Thank you so much! It certainly took a long time but I’m happy it is complete! I hope you have fun messing around with the data. 🎉🎉
My layout is a hybrid between the crops you recommend, another RUclipsrs layout and my own tweaks based on crop need… all I have to say is thanks!, I can easily make 10-14k with my crops.
My teeny tiny brain struggles to comprehend! But I’m amazed at how much you put into this.
I’m going to try bok choy now! I was only selling raw tomatoes. But I just recently moved my plots elsewhere so I’ll be starting over. thank you!
This is so much more intensive than the math I did to figure out that blueberries and cranberries make the most money in Stardew Valley 😂😂 Thank you for sharing all this info! I love when real life skills can be applied to games. Although in my case, I'm the opposite in that I've found my game skills have helped me in real life lol. Viva la bok choy! I'll def be starting a bok choy kimchi farm (and bok choy kimchi sounds delicious)
I’ve just gotta say, this is phenomenal work! My brain can’t quite comprehend the complexity of it (but I revisit it often and am starting to to slowly understand a bit better)
Thank you so much for your time and mental efforts towards this, it does NOT go unnoticed! Last video I started growing a lot more bok choy and it helped me immensely with gold making, so I was following closely for this update post patch.
It would be cool to see a video with some different layout options - beginner and advanced - and compare with seeds vs preserves vs selling raw (not saying it would need to be you making the video bc I know that’s a big time investment, this is just a general statement) for us visual people who struggle with charts. I’ll definitely be using your charts and creating some different layout options with the gardening layout tool, perhaps I can screenshot them and share to the discord or Reddit threads to help others too. Thank you so much 💖💖💖
This is super helpful
I tend to jump on for about 30 min to an hour twice or three times in a day, so I tend to stick to preserves as they let me log off and then just refill them when I log back on. I'm currently doing a rotation of potato preserves/nappa kimchi with permanent makers for tomatoes, blueberries & apples. I know bok preserves are supposedly better, but since I'm high level in gardening I prefer tomatoes. They yield multiples every harvest, so I don't ever run low on them.
you ever hear the same word said over and over until it doesn't sound like a word anymore..?
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A new spreadsheet!
Yeppers!! Have fun playing around with it!
*bows to the spreadsheet/math master* you did an incredible amount of work on this!! Thank you for ALL your hard work!!!
I love seeing the math worked out like this. I am surprised though that you didn't calculate in worm farms as well (even though I know they aren't as worth it with 1.8)
Yaaaasss!! I always check your channel after an update and was waiting for this 😂
That is an honor to have you say that! I’m glad you enjoy the videos and hope you have fun playing with the sheet!
Wow! I feel like I just went to school. Holy smokes, that was ALOT of information. Thanks for putting in the work, my guy.
It’s better than school because there’s no pop quiz. HAHAHA But thank you! I hope you enjoy using it.
My brain was struggling to fully comprehend everything but I've found my Groove with my own palia garden.
I grow 4 rows of potatoes with 1 row of nappa cabbage between each pair of rows of potatoes and then the other 3 soil patches I use to grow apples and anything else I need.
And I pickle the potatoes, feed the nappa cabbage to my worm and glow worm farms. And sell pretty much everything
Nice! Yeah, everybody has a different system that works for them! As long as you’re happy with your results then it sounds great to me!
о господи! он сделал эту таблицу, чтобы мне не пришлось. Я буквально думаю о том, что стоило бы на практике посчитать профит уже около месяца и вот оно! Спасибо!
Truly the lords work!
I watched on .5x speed, rewatched MULTIPLE times and I’m still confused 😭 I thought I was decent at formulas but goddamn I clearly have much to learn 🙇🏻♀️
I love Palia nerd spreadsheets 😂❤ I made one and my friends were like no way!! Yes way!! 🎉🎉
Thank you
You’re very welcome! Thanks for watching and have fun experimenting with it!
good job a lot of effort put into it good energy 💯
Thank you very much, I hope you enjoy using it!
Wow, man. Props to you for all this effort. One question, what do weeds do? Does it affect anything if you pull right away vs leave it for some waterings?
i just wanted too know what plants i should grow and in what format, now im confused and have a headache. i didnt know you needed a degree in agriculture to play Palia.
This is certainly a guide for more advanced players looking to min max. If you’re looking for a gold-priority layout you can check out the last tab of the spreadsheet to find the bok choy layout at the bottom. If you wish to see a breakdown of the layout, the video on the channel “Best Crop Layout” from February will have that.
Thanks for watching the video and I hope this was able to help you out!
Well this puts my personal sheet to shame lol impressive!
Hahah! Thank you so much!
Wow, thanks for this. But I'm a little confused, wouldn't Bok Choy preserves yields more money than the seeds?
In terms of the best gold per hour yes, bok choy preserves are the fastest. I said seeds would be the best because they are #1 and #2 for value then speed. But since then I realized that the preserves probably can run for longer which helps with afking. If you’re going for speed, yes, bok choy preserves would be better than seeds. Thanks for the question.
It looks like your 55 slot bok choy layout doesn't make as much money as a 59 slot bok choy layout (not harvest boosting the rice at all). Remember you can't possibly process all of your bok choy, so why bother processing the rice and wheat at all? If you keep the processors completely full of bok choy, sell all the extra raw rice and extra raw bok choy, only make rice seeds as needed for replanting them, you end up with more profit per day. I wonder if buying the rice seeds from Zeki would be better in that situation (so you can keep the bok choy processors in full swing and not have to worry about managing rice seeds in your processors - that is, getting the rice in and out of the processors fast to get the bok choy cranking again as quickly as possible). Thoughts?
I just ran some numbers, I didn't min max or anything, for the 59 slot bok choy with 28 crafters to that and 2 crafters to the rice not harvest boosted it comes out to 3751 compared to the 55 slot bok choy with everything harvest boosted with 26 crafters to bok choy and 2 per rice/wheat comes out to 3995. Now this is all theoretical assuming someone is playing 24/7, I haven't made one to account for specific play time yet but that sure would be fun. It shows that the 55 slot makes more because you lose less money by planting a different crop than you do by not harvest boosting everything. If you have the number to prove your method right, I'd love to see a short video and tag me in it or share it to the palia discord and tag me. But just know that this is all theoretical and that these numbers change a lot when you don't play 24/7.
Also, check out this design I made for a single boosted crop: palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RBkRBkBkBkBkRBk-BkBkBkBkRBkBkBkBk-RBkRBkBkBkBkRBk-BkBkBkRBkBkBkBkR-RBkRBkBkBkBkRBk-BkBkBkBkBkRRBkBk-RBkBkBkBkBkBkRBk-BkBkBkRBkRBkBkBk-BkBkRBkBkBkBkRBk
It provides the same boost as a 21 rice field but gives you an extra free bok choy that sadly isn't harvest boosted. I think this is the best that can be done with 1 booster. It might even be better than your 59 slot design.
@@Aqajj Nah you're probably absolutely right. I only play for 30 mins in the morning and 2-4 hours at night by the way. I didn't account for being forced to sell raw though in the Palia Garden Planner because that specific calculator assumes all of the Bok Choy is being processed, which is impossible.
Playing hours its on 1000 so wouldnt this not be per day but per month or whatever it equals to?
Well, even at 1,000 it is still per day, it’s just the average of every day up to that point. Sure, as you see in the graph it takes a little bit for the average to level out but I keep it at 1,000 so everything has enough time to reach the leveling out point and is better for comparison similar to other charts with a static number and no variability.
Am I missing something? What kind of fertilizer should I use on this farm? Is it Quality Fertilizer (because rice and wheat already provide harvest boost?)?
It is up to you. If you are new to the game you can use quality up fertilizer to help produce star quality crops. The layout was built on not using fertilizer since it adds more work and cuts into profits depending on what’s used. So in short, you don’t need any unless there is a specific boost you wish to add.
@@Aqajj thank you man. your layout help me a lot. it's way convenient and so profitable compared to my old layout which is all tomato 😅. keep up the awesome work dude
I'm confused about the play hours. Does 100 = 1 hour or 100 true hours? I'm trying to find the true value if I play for about 2 hours a day
Play hours is true hours. However it isn’t hours per day, so it really has no difference unless you only have for example 72 hours left in an event. Otherwise it just scales everything somewhat evenly and I usually leave it at 1,000 that way it hits the plateau but isn’t too much work for the computer. I haven’t made one for specific play time per day yet.
my brain is not braining
Shouldn't a potato tomato corn rice pattern be considered?
or the same without the tomatoes?
just potato raw average 4952/day
with tomato raw average 4728/dqy
Last Harvest Day 10 = 47281and 49522 only potato rice corn
In any case your father remains the most commendable well done 51 976 raw Average 5198/Day
Great video, thank you ! Do you still get only star quality crops from any seed at level 25 in gardening ? I seem to have quite a bit a non quality drop at level 23
I replant star seeds and when I was around 25 I was indeed getting pretty much 100% star crops.
@@Aqajj Oh ok thanks :) If anyone is interested, I got 121 quality bok choy and 42 regular ones from regular seeds at level 23 and it's about the same ratio for my few wheat and rice plants
I did the bokchoy but I was struggling to process them. Despite logging in every cycle. 😭
Bok choy is better the less you play since the processing times are long especially for the seeds. You can still make a lot of money by selling the raw seeds as seen in this spreadsheet but if you only want to sell processed crops, you will still make good money with preserves but seeds will be slow.
can someone summarize all this and tell me what to harvest for the best value money ,thanks lol
I wonder if that only works, if you are basically all the time logged in are or if this works if you only logg in 3 times a day. For me onions work perfect 😊😊
The top chart is the theoretical max gold per playing hour, so the less you play the more money you make per hour played. The bottom chart is based on playing 24/7. The candlestick chart in the top right is a visual representation of this showing whether a crop can make money while you’re offline. I haven’t come up with a way to factor in specific play time per day yet. So depending on how often you play, you’ll end up somewhere along that blue bar.
@@Aqajj great! Thank you 🙏🏻
i understand nothing
This is definitely a more advanced guide but what exactly is confusing you? Maybe I can break it down a little more.
Do you by chance, play Eve online???
I have not played Eve Online though I have heard about it for years.
How much gold do you earn per real day? I’m guessing you run the seed maker throughout the day and sell the next day when you empty them out
People also should really know that this is a passive income. Amazing video as always
I have more bok choy than what I know how to process with despite running 26 seeders 😭
I honestly hate doing the garden.
What do you hate about gardening?
Palia is a game, you are a very sad individual
Some people find it fun to run the math and figure out stuff like this. Just because you have a different play style doesn’t another’s play style is sad. Game’s are supposed to be fun for everyone and each person gets to decide what that means for them.
Bravo! We appreciate your time and efforts so much!
Can anyone direct me to where I can find the best garden layout to support these numbers? 🫶🏽
There’s a ton of different garden layouts in Palia’s discord under the gardening channel. If you are looking for one to go the bok Choy route, there’s a video on the channel about my custom layout that will get you a ton of bok choy without fertilizer. The layout is best for people with less play time per day.
What's Alyssa's secret? 💺 🍾