Will Collagen Bonk Your Serotonin? | Chris Masterjohn Lite
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Isn't it nice when you stumble upon a video where your learn something that you needed to learn? Thank you!
Chris, thanks for addressing this question. And thanks for not bashing Trudy Scott. She has helped a lot of people and she is always, always open to learning new things.
Thank god I watched the video.Its not all in my head.Nothing is more important than my mental health.Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I tried taking Great Lakes collagen and started feeling depressed. I stopped taking it and immediately felt like myself again. I was vegetarian at the time. I think tryptophan should be added to the collagen powders and that could possibly sort it out and stop the negative effects that some people experience, like I did.
how much tryptophan did you add to it, may i ask?
@@adrianexo21 Hi. I didn’t add tryptophan myself, rather I stopped taking the collagen completely. So, now I have been vegan for a year and take a liquid silica instead. There is no actual vegan or vegetarian source of collagen so I would not be taking it even if it hadn’t caused me to feel depressed.
@@vestcoat What brand?
Have schizoaffective disorder and are very stable by using my medication, but after 4 ot 5 days of using a collagen supplement I was feeling abnormally and continuously depressed. Eating plenty proteins and still had a very prominent and unfortunate affect. Had to stop taking the collagen supplement and within 1 or 2 days I was back feeling more normal, was the only thing I changed in my diet.
Collagen has made me really depressed to the point where I'm having suicidal thoughts. I am a totally different person when I start taking collagen and when I stop.
Wow collagen also made me feel depressed and a severe anxiety. Never again. Not worth it
Suicidal thoughts are caused by glycine, not low tryptophan. People get this confused. So adding tryptophan will not help to prevent that depression
How much were you taking?
I can see it now. The Chris Masterjohn Master protein bar.😂 Great video Chris!
That’s brilliant Chris. Thank you!!! ❤️
Excellent! Very useful insights Chris 👏👍
Brilliant. Love your work!
Great, detailed explanation! Thank you!
Awesome, thanks for the clarity. Just got 6 bottles of collagen and my calories are really restricted right now. This info probably helped me not make a potentially awful diet mistake.
Really helpful, thanks!
This collagen-induced depression is almost surely because of the presence of glycine and/or glutamic acid in collagen rather than the absence of tryptophan in it.
Well, you're feeding your excititory and calming neurotransmitter sites and basically starving your "happiness" neurotransmitter site with little or no tryptophan.
@@metaorange302 You're not starving your "happiness" neurotransmitter site if you eat a normal diet with enough protein and just add collagen on top of it. That "starving" only occurs if your protein intake consists primarily of collagen.
I am glad you made this video to clear this up about collagen. The only thing I would say also is theat too many carbs with your protein may spike insulin which may actually inhibit tryptophan from crossing the blood brain barrier. Such as quickly overeating turkey (which is high tryptophan) along with high amounts of carbs.
Isn't it the other way around? Spiking insulin helps tryptophan into the brain by eliminating competition from other aminoacids. So spiking insulin with carbs and no protein in the evening after eating more protein in hte morning for example will increase tryptophaneabsorption. So it's more the combining of protein with the carbs that is the problem, not the carbs. Carbs by themself promotes tryptophaneabsorption from the bloodstream to te brain. This is what i have read. Thoughts? :)
Superb explanation of Serotonin 👌tysm!
When you mentioned that about glycine slowing respiration and producing an anxiety effect...wow I once had a panic attack around age 12 because I when I was trying to fall asleep it felt like I would stop breathing (not sleep apnea) and this sensation continued even when I was awake. And I hyperventilated as a response to that and ended up going to the ER where they said nothing was wrong with me and I'm a fat kid who should run around the block more haha.
Great video. Great comments.
I started adding a tablespoon of collagen to my morning berry smoothie and after a week I noticed I was edgy but didn’t make the association. I then started adding gelatine to my afternoon green smoothie and within a week had extreme anxiety. Still didn’t make the connection until I accidentally came across a Trudy Scott post and couldn’t believe it..... I immediately omitted both the powders and after a few days I was back to a calm state. Although I am not vegetarian I do not eat red meat.
I'm going through something similar right now my mood completely changes when I'm on and off collagen.
I'm glad to see that other people are having the same experience. Since I have started taking collagen I'm experience extreme agitation.
I had extreme panic attacks and couldn’t even drive! I omitted so many things trying to narrow down the cause and never thought it could be my collagen powder! Crazy! And so so glad I figured it out by reading comments like yours 🙏🏻
Your information is pure gold! I absolutely LOVE your channel! So wish you are my doctor!
There is a protein powder made from grass fed beef that has natural collagen at 5 grams per 26 grams of total protein. Its expensive but great for those who can't have plant or dairy for whatever reason.
I was really interested to hear what you said but I really would have loved a white board explanation as it got a tad complicated in the middle. Thanks.
Collagen contain glycine. Glycine can cause an energetic, excitation response causing anxiety and insomnia in some.
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It's true even when i take collagen occasionally, i observed that it affects my concentration and emotions
Collagen will mess up your mind by making you dull and sleepy, but only if you take the recommended dose, which is too high.
One of the most prominent side effects is causing your blood to become more viscus(probably due to hydroxyproline).
When I take too much collagen, I start to experience circulation problems, like arms going numb during the sleep.
Collagen is important to take, and the correct dose (for me) is 1 heaped TEASPOON once daily in my night protein shake. In my day protein shake I take 1 gram of l-proline, which is also very good for collagen and does not cause circulation issues.
Collagen is just protein...i eat tons of it, no side effects
John Smith what is l- Proline ? Proline?
Doesn't proline really help your gut too?
So basically anything that lowers serotonin makes you dull and non emotional? Not the other way around like you get when take ssris? Isn't oxytocin the thing that makes you very emotional when watching movies and such?
From Ray Peat's article on Gelatin:
Both tryptophan and cysteine inhibit thyroid function and mitochondrial energy production, and have other effects that decrease the ability to withstand stress. Tryptophan is the precursor to serotonin, which causes inflammation, immunodepression, and generally the same changes seen in aging. Histidine is another amino acid precursor to a mediator of inflammation, histamine; would the restriction of histidine in the diet have a longevity promoting effect, too?
Chris... of your list of books behind you, do you have any special recommendations?
High serotonin has been linked to learn helplessness, depression due to lowered dopamine, anxiety and social anxiety. Believe it or not, I use fruit snacks (gelatin) to counteract high serotonin and actually feel better.
What brand?
i experienced this seratonin depletion when
i started taking collagen last week.. which is unfortunate! i felt very fearful!!! very negative!
i am also on a maintenance drug, for many years and it has really changed my seratonin levels, ect. can you give me any tips there?
so i should increase my animal proteins or try adding tryptophan?
I even have it from ground beef which has quite a bit of collagen in it
I use colagen and almond protein with milk and a little liquid aminoacids which even has tryptophan. It's the reason i checked this video, apparently i'm good to go.
I am using L-tryptophan also. This is to recover from my collagen use
Is it helping?
We use a scoop of powdered chia seeds into our drink to go with the collagen peptides, because chia is rich in tryptophan.
Thanks for this info about chia seeds as I wasn't aware that they are rich in tryptophan. I will start adding them to my smoothies with collagen powder. I not only want the collagen for my skin, nails & hair, but for my joints as I have quite painful osteoarthritis ...
@@wendyfay16 Make sure you do not add insulin producing fruits to your smoothy with protein or it will prevent tryptophan from entering the brain.
@@bluewaters3100 This is incorrect - tryptophan cannot pass the blood brain barrier unless it is picked up by insulin - so you need to have insulin from carbs/fruits to get the tryptophan into your brain.
may i ask why we don't have tryptophan in our collagen ? is there a scientific reason? is it because it is an essential amino acid but i can't link it because we also have lysin in collagen which is an essential too
I'm guessing then that chicken, and beans, be it dried beans or canned beans, also lentils and yogurt_ that this is a good source of protein which I eat often but still taking collagen.🙂
I have HEDS, fibro and mild CFS. It bonked mine after the first dose. Second day, tried it again and got a panic attack. Depressed, jittery & feeling of doom. Quit immediately. Great video thank you.
This sounds like exactly what Chris was describing when glycine does the opposite of its normal function due to electrolyte or metabolism imbalances. Either that, or the type of collagen used here triggered an extreme glutamate sensitivity.
I cure fibro and help people to do it it is a trauma response an anxiety
Hello Chris I bought some collagen 101 protein bars do you think they are safe to eat or not
Hy i just wanted to ask in witch skin layer collagen helps repair and renew skin cels.?
Your endocrinology, oncology, neurology and cardiovascular knowledge are exceptionally on point.
Is Collagen type 2 multivitamin recommended for person having Hyperthyroidism?
The question is do we need to take collagen every day? Our ancestors probably had it occassionally.
Igaluit Channel I’m pretty sure they would get it every time they got bones, as they would get every last nutrient out of everything they could get their hands on. The second part of the answer is, most moderns have a backlog of collagen depletion to catch-up to. So yeah we should eat plenty.
Pork scratchings/rinds are still on the menu then? I eat them everyday.
Can you tell me if Someone can have a reaction to collagen I tried vital proteins and actually lost hair ? I also have the mthfr gene I don’t know if that related or if it’s bad for thyroid cause at the same time my thyroid tanked “ but I did a test my daughter who is 25 tried the collagen and she lost her hair too ? But she also has the mthfr gene as well “ can anyone help me
Wondering if the people having depression issues with collagen are also taking psychiatric medications which also interfere with serotonin ??? Also, wonder if the type of collagen (bovine vs marine) makes a difference as well....
i always come back to collahen and have the same results!! meat has the same amino acids and doesnt cause me anxiety why is this!
Chris, i was abusing collagen and neglecting protein, and got strong anxiety for a few days. The only thing that relieved it in a matter of an hour was creatine. Does that make any sense? Is that my tryptophan bonking?
Just to chime in, I too linked collagen twice to a lowered mood. I forgot about the first time, then made the connection. It’s essentially because it’s not a complete protein, right?
If you displace other protein with it yes, if you added it you are not “subtracting” the protein that you are, so in that case no.
When you have SSRI withdrawal symptoms, is it because of high or low serotonin?
But if I eat enough animal protein, collagen works for something? Or it’s only an a marketing trick?
Better to make your own collagen. Bone broth. Natural vs synthetic.
Same side effects lol
I am getting a LOT of protein from animal and vegetable. Once I added the collagen I started with palpitations, crazy amounts of anxiety and depression. So you are incorrect. Collagen is great at depleting tryptophan regardless your animal protein intake. I and MANY others are living prove.
So you no longer take it?
Do all types of collagen supplements cause this?
Proline, a component of collagen, is correlated with depression. "The results, shown in humans, mice and flies, show that elevated plasma levels and a diet rich in this amino acid -- proline -- causes a more severe state of depression." See: Universitat Pompeu Fabra - Barcelona. "A study confirms the relationship between an amino acid present in diet and depression." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 10 May 2022.
Wow this makes sense why many taking protein shakes act like monsters! Myself included
So Josh Axe is out to increase depression with his collagen powder
lol seriously! can't win with any supps its seams. Always something causing another
hi chris, thanks for a very informative video.... im starting to take collagen, the recommend dose is 2 tablespoons, but i only take one, i do feel a bit anxious (i suffer from depression and anxiety) what can i do to overcome this? will trytophan help? will i get any side affects?.. thanks.. a few months ago i tried amino acids and they messed me up, i just felt full of energy, couldnt relax, felt like i was going at 100mph,..i do want to take collagen because of its benefits, but i dont want it to affect my mental health... can you help?.. thanks from london UK..
@Ilyas Khan thanks.. should i take it every day?.. thanks
@Ilyas Khan thats the same kind of thing that happens to me... i get anxiety and my hearts racing so fast.... i think im gonna start making bone broth, i dont trust this crap that we buy of the Internet... thanks
@Ilyas Khan ive stopped taking it for 1 month now... bone broth has the same benefits and it tastes much better.. the only problem is, you have to cook it in s slow cooker for 24 hrs, theres lots of recipes on RUclips for this.. thanks bro!
What about plant based collagen
If anything it had the opposite effect for me. I feel much better white taking collagen :)
Hey, what are your opinions on Ray Peat articles about this subject ?
He actually says that depression is caused by high (and not low) serotonin. I guess you already know about him, otherwise you should check it !
He engages in a lot of either/or thinking on topics that are both/and. Serotonin being low or high does not cause depression. Low serotonin causes a deficiency of stress coping and high serotonin causes irrational stress coping. How you respond to that is what can lead to depression.
Saw this the other day, it matches my experience jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2319711
I dont think hes ever said that serotonin doesnt have adaptive functions in certain situations
Jean Marabou I suffer from depression and anxiety from more than 12 years. When I take something to increase serotonin drugs or even natural supplements , they make my symptoms worse very very worse!!! And this case continues for days!!!!!
I couldn’t find explanations for that!!!
@@said0757 Ssri type drugs do that to me as well
“ Please what Supplies Serotonin And Tryptophan?”
What about msm?? I find it helps my depression
High serotonin = hypothyroidism
Says ray peat
Thoughts?
Also ray pushes glycine big time...
Taking collagen has gotten rid of my shoulder pain allowing me to lift heavy again. (gym) I mix it with Cacao (mood enhancing). with my coffee in the morning. My mood is way ☝ UP overall as a result of taking collagen. Not down. So Fuck tryptophan. Appreciate your research tho. No disrespect. Collagen has helped me alot and and thus cheered me up. Just sayin
Collagen gives me a histamine response. I'd like to take it. I wish there was a work around.
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I kept my protein diet intact when I added collagen peptides I started having anxiety as the time passed by boom panic attacks nothing to do with not taking protein from animal or other sources
My best guess would be that’s a paradoxical adverse effect to the glycine.
My skin looks so good and I have no joint pain :( so I have to sacrifice looking good for peace
Histamine or glutamate reaction
@@chrismasterjohnBut similiar amino acid are in meat what is the difference?
Depression is so dang confusing with “food” causes and/or depletion.
COULD IT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT PEA PROTEIN ISN T A GREAT SUBSTITUTE TO ANIMAL PROTEIN? WHAT SAY YOU.
Can you write without all-caps?
@@chrismasterjohn It's really crazy that you glossed over that part, with PHD in your name lol I felt compelled to use all caps too.
Chris Masterjohn, PhD maybe he thinks you're deaf😉
Interesting view about serotonin, I would love to read a blog post/podcast about your view about serotonin, as it seems very different and more enlightened than most of what is written about this. I'm quite sure that keeping serotonin low has given my mental and physical health an enormous boost. Are you aware of serotonin's role in hybernation? In that sense, it seems to be a coping mechanism for stress indeed, in this case the stress of too little calories available. But in the end, the coping of serotonin always involves lowering the metabolic rate, and in the long term, this can never be a viable approach to any health problem. It is a really the hormone of the "avoidance" personality, which may help in the short term, but in the long term, with high serotonin, no real progress can be made. If you want to resolve any of your trauma's, and step into reality, low serotonin will probably help you more than anything else.
I'm going into more detail in the "Nutrition in Neuroscience" series. I haven't specifically studied its role in hibernation.
Kasper, you are correct.Sounds like you've read some Peat
However Chris has to conform to mainstream views as a way to not create uproar and diminish his credibility.
Once I began cutting conventional proteins and eating a lot of collagen/gelatin and fruits. I started dropping weight/water. I had some anxiety from TOO much displaced tryptophan however some taurine or a little milk can clear that up.
@@nobsreviews9154you dropped weight because glycine increases DHT which antagonizes the estrogen receptor
I take tyrosine amino acid with mine it helps and also vitD3 otherwise collagen makes me drowsy but it helps my joints and I have read it helps the thyroid too and I have thyroid problems
Msm is better than collagen
Or just take both, but think about the animals
@@TheJimmyswe150 what is MSM?
@@LtdMusic search it Up, powerfull stuff, search Up NAC too
@@TheJimmyswe150 is msm safe with hypothyroid
I began taking st John's worth when I began collagen
Please be careful with St John Wort. I suffer depression and was taking lexapro which worked great. I decided to go natural on St John Wort and after a few weeks on it my vision was blurry as it affects your eyes and sensitivity, and i feel suicidal and even more depressed. Lexapro has been a saviour for me and my depression
This video would have been cut in half had he just said "she's wrong, here's what is really happening." still could do that nicely, and could praise what she was right about: Her experience, using that to explain the mechanism behind what she experienced as opposed to her explanation.
English legends please
What if you take collagen 2 times a week or 1 time ?
Did you watch the video?
I take it about once a week now and I feel fine but when I took it everyday I became almost suicidal and just a bad bad feeling of depression.
Pork rinds are rich in collagen ...
Do marine collagen does the same?
It will also not do the same.
People here do not support your theory, I kept eating protein I added collagen and boom anxiety and everyone here is in y]the same boat
Can glycine actually lower serotonin somehow?
Nope. Glycine INCREASES serotonin, that's why it makes people feel more depressed and suicidal. High serotonin can actually cause suicidal thoughts, and low serotonin is better for your brain
Well I’d like to bonk it, my antidepressants gave it too much so if I bonk it, maybe I’ll produce more dopamine
Why didn't she consider the pea protein giving her reaction?
It’s because she had the pea protein prior and never had problems. I’ve never heard complaints regarding depression or anxiety from pea protein but there are plenty about gelatin and collagen peptides.
What is bonk?!
Pushing down.
Does anyone know if this man is single? I feel my loins quivering 😍🥰
😂😂😂
8:19 8:43
Ray peat says serotonin is bad.
I mostly agree for reasons i believe are obvious. Heres a few...
Most people are low dopamine.
Aka low drive. Low testosterone and low dopamine tend to go hand in hand and the symptoms of low T in males sounds a lot like low dopamine not low serotonin.
Also note the horrible side effects of serotonin drugs.
Many people i know say the same things. Makes them want to sit around eating sweets and watch tv or like me takes all emotions away.
Ray talks about setotonin being elevated in hypothyroidism and cancer. So how does raising it help anyone?
Please help root cause of feet Calluses “ ❤️🙏🎶
Bonk..... lol. in most of the world is a slang word for ‘sex’
Good video though.
we need neurotransmitter porn haha
...so when your levels"bonk" you're fukked makes sense
TLDW: No
This sounds like nonsense, sorry. I eat lots of pork rinds and have never felt better. I'm mostly carnivore.
Why is this foolish lady taking pea protein. PEA PROTEIN?! Christ, the things people will put in their bodies to avoid eating a nutritionally complete diet that only animal products can provide. She went from out of whack, to further out of whack, and then finds an obscure study and blames it on collagen?
@@RoboticusMusic Pea-Protein is common in powdered protein drinks for those who can not tolerate dairy/whey. It's a common protein to make smoothies.
You should calm down.
@@RoboticusMusic I think you missed the point of the video
@@andrewd5135 No, I disregarded an invalid point and replaced it with a better one. The most important human acquisition has always been meat, never changes. If you aren't eating plain beef you are your own worst enemy. You let someone convince you otherwise and there is no one but yourself to blame.