The New 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Did NOT Perform as Expected on the TFLslip Test!
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Thank you for bringing these back - the technical aspects of these slip tests are what initially drew me in to TFL. No variables, just “how does this vehicle work if…”
Wow. That was surprisingly bad. Great video guys
I live in Regina SK…. Brutal winters here. I’ve owned the last 3 generations of CRV’s and have literally never been stuck. I can’t relate to this test.
It’s no surprise. It seems like the CRV has always had poor AWD performance. They definitely know their target market is not doing any off roading.
its NOT off-roading, it is simply snow they can't even drive in.
this is, well...horrible.
There's really no excuse here. With the price they sell these vehicles for they should perform better. Especially since it seem like a software issue where the traction control isn't effectively programmed.
That's exactly what I remember also, the crv 2 generations ago was pretty awful in AWD tests
@@Sha-Ayo like mark says above, this has got to be a software thing. the pilot has always been known for its awd/torque vectoring system.
I cannot figure it out when Acura has such a good awd system.
Bro, it’s designed for a civilized city driving, not for some off road wilderness and early man days of Alaska 😅
I'm happy to see the return of these tests. It's a great way to separate the AWD pretenders from the genuinely effective AWD systems.
What car would you prefer ?
you speaking of JEEP? I would love to see Mazda CX50
I love how theres hate in the comments because they automatically assume that an AWD system = off-road performance.
AWD systems come in all flavors, the CRV isn't designed for off road conditions, so you're not going to see it perform as such. Its made for city driving. Also you're driving with all season tires and not off road tires like in your other tests. Having the right tires in the first place would make a total difference in how the car drives in snow and dirt.
Long story short: If you want an Accord crossover, buy the CRV. If you want an off road snow riding machine from Honda, get the Honda Pilot Trail Sport.
In general though, you should skip AWD altogether for actual deep snow and major off-road tests and get a 4X4 / 4WD.
3:47 I don’t think these CUV systems are designed to hold brakes necessarily but rely on wheel spin to use that inertia. Pulsing the brake pad while it’s spinning helps the diff send that available torque to the side which has traction.
Thank you for the advice. It’s just unfortunate that on a Honda. You have to do something like that to activate the all-wheel-drive correctly.
3:55 pressing down on the accelerator all the way isnt cheating. its whats needed for the computer to recognize whats going on and how to transfer power. not saying this Honda did great, but just letting you know. different AWD systems require different inputs. similarly with a subaru. a subaru requires hard inputs for the AWD system to send power to the needed wheels.
I disagree entirely. Hard inputs can be extremely dangerous in snow and ice events, and are never recommended. An AWD system needs to respond to gently inputs first and foremost
@@TFLcarthat’s absolutely not true, and not how AWD systems work at all. Most vehicle computers need a little more than a slight throttle input to recognize wheel slip. Mashing the gas just to see what the computer can do is exactly what you need to do to find out how the computer works. Some cars are programmed differently. Honda is clearly one of them.
Tommy, The Honda Hybrid E-Drive system does not use a conventional belt drive CVT. There’s an excellent video on this you may want to check out “Understanding the Honda Hybrid E-Drive” After watching this video I learned that the real name is Intelligent Multi-Mode Drive (iMMD)
That’s disappointing, I expected more from Honda.
Seriously, I was about to put an offer on one of these 2025 all-wheel-drive hybrid sport touring model
Love my 2023 Honda CRV all wheel drive. It is not built for off-road driving but it performs great on snow, rain, curves and light off-roading. To go off-road I would buy an Fj cruiser or something similar. Certainly not a Jeep-Fiat.
Tommy, Love the Slip test!! Honda needs to be watching this! They make 3 different AWD systems... this one needs work. The IVTM-4 systems are excellent (Pilot/Passport/Ridgeline). I have to admit, the majority of CRV buyers, especially the Hybrid buyers will not be going off-roading in their CRV's. (less than 1%) Thps system as does Toyota's RAV 4 Hybrid can used improvements.
This AWD system would be ok for target buyers if they didn't jack the price in this redesign. Even if Honda added its kick@ss IVTM4 SH-AWD to this it would still be way overpriced. RAV4 hybrids AWD perform very similar to CRV, less complexity (no drive shaft and no rear differential + only have to change rear transaxle fluid every 60,000 miles). Most importantly Toyota's hybrid RAV4 is far less expensive and delivers significantly better fuel economy (especially in highway) @ 40mpg combined. Also arguably less complex and more reliable.
As always tires make a massive difference in winter and off-roading so a decent set of winter tires and/or mild AT tires for these unibody crossovers (for those who weekend adventure, camp, softroading, etc) are well worth the investment.
So you think if you took a survey of CRV buyers that only 1% would go offroad? Many people want vehicles that do it all, hence the design. If it only did regular roads then what would be the point ??
but those who live in the snow zone 7 months out of the year be warned.(thats me).
@@86309 you won't have any issue with that system. Slip test or mild off roading which CRV owners don't do much of won't notice. It's not a Toyota Landcruiser with locking 4 wheel axles.
Toyota makes the best off road system
The CR-V hybrid does not have a CVT in any usual sense of the word. Honda calls it "eCVT." However, there are no belts through which motive force is transmitted to the wheels. Everything is solid state.
Thank you. Tfl gets this wrong ALL THE TIME!
How about the non hybrid crv
On how many miles than you change oil on transmission if is not real cvt transmission and can you trust that transmission please let me know..tnx
@@simd510 the non-hybrid CR-V is a belt-driven CVT.
@@zeljkodjukic5889follow the Maintenance Minder. Most automatics are usually at about 60k but the hybrids show no specific interval. Just "replace when necessary", which again, depends on your driving style. I wouldn't be surprised if it still pops up around 60k, however.
As someone who is coming from one of the best stock off roaders (GX 460) to a CR-V Hybrid AWD, the fuel efficient Honda will be very capable of handling Canadian and Northern US winters. Hopefully people are not off-roading CR-V Hybrids!
Looks like I’m out on buying this. If I buy AWD it better work when I need it.
I'm no Subaru fan, but they still seem to have the best AWD system.
For the price, and when you’re in snow, where plows have not touched yet, and depending on the off-road condition, they do really well. Obviously, there are better, more expensive all wheel drive out there, but they will definitely get into your pocket pricing wise
As an owner of 2 Subarus I couldn’t agree more.
I was so exited about this CRV generation and thank you for sharing this test. I live in Buffalo and this is a deal breaker for me
Just get some snow tires and you'll be perfectly fine.
This will do perfect in the snow. There are barely ever any times where you would be in this type of conditionin.. its fine for snow roads
It's overpriced for what it is. Don't go for it.
@@ThirdBrainLives some years ago I was crossing one of the Southtowns close to the Bills stadium and the snow was so high that I barely made it with my 2007 Honda Pilot that has front and rear lockers and snow rated tires
@@ThirdBrainLives na, I’ll just choose another vehicle but thanks for the recommendation
So this test basically showed me what would happen driving in snow with bald tires and it doesn’t off road well. Cool thanks
It would be really great if you would include cut-aways to other vehicles taking on this same challenge for comparison. I know atmospheric and course conditions play a large roll in off-roading success or failure, so it would never be strictly scientific, but it would still be interesting to see, for example, a side-by-side video of the CR-V and a Crosstrek taking on the same obstacle.
Crosstrek would have blown it away.......So would My CX30...........Paul
Honda did call this the most rugged and adventurous CRV ever. Poor AWD, no fog lights, no spare tire to name a few. How could Honda fail so miserably in a new generation vehicle compared to old generation competitors?
I actually have this car and was been amazing in the snow haven’t had an issue once, and I live in the mountains dirt roads unplowed. Sec most popped tires can be fixed by a repair kit so they actually did there job and looked up the facts also all donut tires can’t be driven on going highway speeds or for longer then 50 miles. So a repair kits better because you can go longer and at a faster speed. And fog light really ain’t that important also there lights dim so much. So there really no diff for fog just keep ur brights off.
The "Achilles heel" of the CR-V is that it has an open differential and not a limited slip differential. Having a limited slip differential would have a made a significant difference, which is why the Honda Pilot would be a better choice in deeper snow. I used to have an 8th Gen Civic Si with a limited slip differential, and now I have a MKV7 GTI with an open differential, and there is a big difference, in my opinion, on how they handle in the snow. The Si did a much better job.
Its a crv its not meant to anything like that.
What is the difference between this new model and the previous one? If I remember correctly it did well on the slip test and the drive train is the same. Could it be a software issue?
Need a 4x4...AWD is not the same as 4x4. My current 4x4 vehicle tends to want to fishtail on wet roads when turning a corner at even just 3-5 mph. AWD does better on wet roads, while 4x4 does better with snow and off-road.
Not uncommon for AWD "utes", as you are well aware, since there are no locking differentials. The CRV is a soft roader not an offroader, nor is it marketed as such. Interestingly, in Mudfest though not a top contender it completed the whole course. In the 120in of snow we had around here this year it was a champ.
These tests are not representative of real world driving. I know, I'm an owner of the same vehicle shown here. But I'm telling you from experience with multiple vehicles from various brands... they all work fine. They have their little ideosyncracies in their function but they will always keep you moving as long as you have good tires and don't drive like a buffoon. Even Toyota's i-4WD in their hybrids will work. If they don't do enough for you, look into true, locking 4WD.
Thank you TFL! So when AWD attempts to get oneself unstuck, it deactivates warning FWD Only due to overheating. SMH
Guys, unless you’re doing off roading all the time, this thing will be unstoppable in the snow for 99% of the people. I live in a hilly winding Boston suburb and managed just fine in every single snowstorm in front wheel drive prius and accord with snow tires, haven’t been stock once! Add CRV’s ground clearance, weight and whatever bad but still awd and you have NOTHING to worry about!
Families are drive their kids to soccer in this, not going off roading lol
They definitely need to be upgraded to the same system as the pilot or passport
@UCfMLNTmGl6G6tcUQqLrE9ng Because people tend to by AWD vehicles for bad weather. And this system would really benefit from better traction control in the snow.
@@TheMrDudinessthat’s crazy how people can be so biased to hate a specific brand based off of one car. That’s like saying not to buy any Chevy because how bad the new blazer was. The CRV is definitely the weakest and cheapest SUV Honda makes and I agree it should have a better AWD like the other Hondas, but they’ve proven the vtm4 system is one of the best.
@TheMrDudiness little biased as That makes no sense. Most likely cause Honda has a direction they want to go and the crv isn't their priority. They done all wheel drive test in winter and sand with the pilot, passport and Ridgeline. They have the ivtm4 tranny which the crv does not. I'm not sure why this test waa done with crv for
@TheMrDudiness this doesn’t confirm anything, dude. Honda is a great and reliable brand. Yeah their AWD system on the CRV needs some tuning but their other AWD systems on other models are great. Their SH-AWD system for Acura is one of the best, and they’ve got better systems in the Pilot and Passport. They just need to buff the CRV a little. I’d still take a Honda over an American or Korean car ANY day!
It's interesting that Honda has the system developed and in some of their models. Why not just include it in the CRV???
I was surprised how poorly this new CRV did. Previous CRV's didn't do this bad. I was shocked on how well the Bronco Sport did on the same tests. Great videos/series. Keep them coming, thank you!
I was chatting with a tech at a Honda dealership, and i asked him why they bother putting in an AWD system at all, he said they are "legally obligated" for Branding, Whis was years ago when the first gens were still very common.
This slip test is good to tell the car can do off-roading or not, but as long as three or four wheels spin at the same time it will work fine on snow, like my 21" toyota sienna AWD do just fine on the ice or snow road today in Ohio
And you dont even need awd. Bunch of people in canada drives fwd they do more than enough
Overblown. Wife has driven a CRV since 2015. We are in Manitoba, Canada and get snow for months, never been remotely close to being stuck. I guess there are no rollers on the roads.
Right, but you’re CRV is most likely outfitted with winter tires. Which is more important than the AWD system itself.
@@lennygarrison6836 yeah we have winter skins, would be stupid not to. My point is any AWD system will get you through anything on the road in real world conditions. Spinning on a roller or not making it through whoops in a grocery getter don't mean jack. 130 000 kms and zero repair bills other than brake pads, now that means something.
@@rubicondickweed Lol you’re a funny boy. You’re ENTIRE point was you mocking the roller slip test. Pretty much inferring that it’s an irrelevant test. And now you’re talking about reliability. Weird people on the internet, I tell ya…..
@@lennygarrison6836 Did you read the whole reply, or do you just not understand it? Pardon me for suggesting quality is more important than the artificial spinny wheel test.
@@rubicondickweed man, you’re not cut out for this. You should probably take a break from the internet. Your ORIGINAL comment, mentioned absolutely NOTHING about quality or reliability. And my response to your original comment, was in reference to you mocking the roller slip test. You’re just an argumentative prick, who doesn’t like being called out for your f*ckery. Like I said, take a break from the internet boy.
How hard could it possibly be to have the Traction control system programmed to apply brakes more for better torque distribution?!? Honda always seems to disappoint in AWD performance in the CR-V
Last gen was much much better! They fcked up the current gen
I got my 2023 CRV last week. Really wish I wouldve seen this video before but overall still love this car as my daily driver! I do snowboard so I guess I'll see how it does in some light/medium snow...
Would have really made a difference in your purchase?
Yeah, most people do roads on snow and occasional ice. Not mountains. The video is still good, but this crv will still do better than front wheel drive only on the same regular icy road conditions and not on true off-road situations, which seem rare.
Ours has been a snow champ once equipped with Michelin cross climate tire, instead of the mediocre tires that Honda equips it with.
This just adds to the list of problems for Honda. Wrong engine, wrong transmission, confusing trim levels, ride comfort, road noise and then list goes on.
Also new model price got hacked jacked which unfortunately makes this very expensive in its class.
Thanks for putting up this review video. I was on the sideline thinking of getting one, but after this, I’m changing my mind. Plus, Honda has marked up over $8,000 for this vehicle! No thank you. I’m a long time Honda owner, but I’m switching to Toyota from now on.
Smart man
How is switching to Toyota going to decrease your pricing point? I understand the MSRP of toyota RAV4 hybrid for example, is cheaper, but it is very common for dealership to put additional feature that you can't remove, bringing up the toyota to about the same pricing point to CRV hybrid, if not more!
Futhermore, I am telling you right now, you are lucky if you can get RAV 4 hybrid close below 40k. ANY RAV 4 hybrid I am inquiring (about 40 vehicles) in the past year are going more $40K otd. with Honda you can get low 40K OTD in the US.
Friend of mine traded 6 months old crv after first touch with snow for Atlas. Usless awd system. That was a previous crv model, and nothing was changed since!!!
Pilot has awd system from Acura.
Wow this is so disappointing to see. This was going to be next car but seeing that it sucks on snow is a no for me. Can guys do the same test on the gasoline version instead of the hybrid? I wonder if it will fair well since it’s not focused on eco mode and saving gas.
I would say you need off road tires to do of appliances hounda are the the best I drive on performance top
It's not an off road vehicle, for highway use their AWD is amazing. Handles slippery roads better than the Toyota in my opinion
Always a bummer when she's all show and no go!
I was hoping to see the same test for the 2023 RAV4.
Which car in this category performed the best? Forester?
I live in the snow. I need the best one
Subaru FTW. Forester for snow.
As much as I don't care for Subaru, they're pretty much the king of snow performance. Either that, or get something with a more traditional four-wheel drive system such as a 4Runner Limited or Jeep Grand Cherokee. Both of those offer full-time 4WD, but of course those are substantially more money. Also the Honda Passport seems to do quite well, check out JonDZ Adventures, he does some pretty crazy stuff in his Passport.
The Outback does even better with the turbo because it has more torque. The NA 2.5 in the Forester and Outback lacks torque to fully utilize the AWD system and tends to bog down. If you want the best, then definitely go for an XT (2.4 turbo) Outback, it can’t be beat under 50k.
In the snow Honda's IVTM-4 SH-AWD vehicles perform best (Pilot, Ridgeline). Subaru also does excellent AWD systems though can't put 70% torque to the rear (and 100% to left or right) like Honda's IVTM-4 SH-AWD which provides better handling on road and cornering.
@@James-il3tq Subaru’s current AWD system can send 100% torque to either axle and either side. But there is some loss in torque as it does so, which is why I suggest the turbo so that you still have plenty of torque after those loses. 😉
Wonder if it’s the low rolling resistance tires? Don’t live in snow belt but I would definitely put snow tires on any of these car-based crossover SUV’s. They are set up for front drive/fuel efficiency and not for anything outside of maybe a gravel driveway
After just turning a small curve uphill in university campus in my Crv executive (2023), the car lost control and skidded. Thank God there was no pedestrian or another vehicle. I went to Honda service right away and they just drove the car and said everything’s fine. No, it was dangerous and I was not even at high speed.
Tommy, When will you be doing this test on the new 2023 Pilot? The IVTM has been modified for the new generation, and I'm wondering how it preforms.
I'm a Honda freak! Dirt bikes, gens, Africa Twin, pressure washers, quads and SUVs, due to reliability. We currently have a 2017 Touring since new, but will now be going to Toyota. CRV Touring only offers Hybrid now :-( We live in Northern Canada, and don't have faith enough in hybrid/electronics for the many cold months we have. I wish they offered both options still.
In reality, the majority of people don’t need AWD at all, but just make sure you have good snow tires and you’ll be fine
True but depending where you live a basic AWD system does help in winter accelerating and not getting stuck in deeper snow. But yes proper tires hugely important especially off-roading and winter!
Snow tires are not going to make a difference when it comes to very poorly manufactured AWD. Ouch. Honda quality has gone down.
I have the 2021 Honda crab and the awd system is insane. Honda has really refined even their basic AWF
Lol to your expectation it did not perform, but for my grandma who drives the cr v hybrid to the groceries and picks up the kids from soccer practice in the snow, it's perfect with winter tires!
Well that’s scary I was thinking about buying this vehicle but I get snow where I live so I guess I should look elsewhere..
Youll be fine with this unless you’re in a rural area where the snow plows won’t come for a day
What do you drive now? Any problems in the snow with it?
@@lpete531 I drive a 2014 Honda Civic and I do have trouble with it in the snow
@@davewilson7602 unfortunately that is the case, one lane country road usually plowed 2-3 days after the fact.
@@TheMrDudiness looking for something more CRV sized or really even HRV sized but unfortunately it’s way underpowered.
Lol you dogged the RAV4 only to find out the Honda sucked lol. Great video as always though!
Great slip test, please do this test on more cars!
CRV was not designed for off roading. On snowy roads with ice they excell.
Thank you for doing an honest test. I am in the market for a CRV for the gas mileage. I currently drive a Passport (which I love). Can’t wait till Honda makes a hybrid passport
If you see the Honda rockin’ please give it a push 😂
In snow you need winter tyres, these are more important than four wheel drive and are mandatory during winter months in much of Europe.
Right on! Better (appropriate) tires would a big difference
Keep doing this test with every vehicle you can find. This is so useful to car buyers.
You've heard of rock crawling? Well this will be great at pebble crawling.
It’s a Honda, not an Acura. Doesn’t have that special Super Handling All wheel Drive system with the torque vectoring.
Incredible AWD system 😮
No surprise. CX-5 is the way to go
I kinda doubt that could make it through some driveways in the rain here in Georgia.
In Canada the hybrid is only available on the top trim which is pushing 49 thousand.
Sorry I bought a Rav for 37 thousand.
rolls are not snow
Glad that you guys are back to doing these tests, and that you have a night level area to do it now.
I drove a Rav4 Prime last week and with one wheel losing traction up a slight hill with loose dirt, the car was basically completely stuck. i floored it and the wheels just started digging in. You think all these cars are sophisticated, and then you drive them and its incredibly disappointing. That's why this slip test is so helpful. thank you guys.
Remember that hybrids usually come with eco focused all season tires. Good tires make all the difference on any vehicle.
It’s the tires that’s mainly getting the vehicle stuck. Swap out to knobby tires and it will succeed
Great information if I ever find myself coming up on rollers in the road! LOL…
Many people are dissapointed about crv offroad performance in this days... It's a shame..
i-VTM4 on the Passport is fantastic both on and off road.
HAPPY THURSDAY EVERYONE ✌️
But let’s be honest - how many CRVs actually ever see dirt? I’m up here in Canada and it is nice to have all wheel drive in winter for the very snowy days. But even then, if you live in a city where the plowing is good, there are only a few days a year when you actually gain much advantage from all wheel drive.
Lol Canada ain't one homogeneous place. In Toronto, for example, I never felt the need for AWD and basically never touched dirt.
Here in BC tons of people go hiking, camping, etc which means driving on forest roads, even within an hour or two of Vancouver. Amusingly if you're close to Vancouver you might encounter snowy roads more because they have not nearly enough snowplows for the area.
@@tarfeef101 haha the past few days in Lower Mainland require some real AWD abilities.
And BC doesn’t really exist to Eastcoasters. Most of them have never been here since it’s cheaper to fly to Europe
Have you guys done that same test with a used Cherokee with active drive II ? It be interesting to see a real world difference between a used active drive one and use active drive II
I'm thinking of canceling my order for this car. We get alot of snow and I have a long steep driveway!
Smart move
Just cancel it. It's not worth
Basically sums up this generation of Crv - Disappointing
I had a 2018 crv fwd. Some people gave me grief for not getting the “4wd”. I knew it was never going off road so what was the point. I loved everything about that vehicle except getting gas in the oil…
New GF6 0-W16 oil is supposed to help minimize oil dilution issue in CRVs now
@@James-il3tq yeah I’ve heard of that solution. To bad it took a long while to be produced.
Although this was pretty bad, I do not think this should be a decisive factor , those cars not designed for offroad
Would the results be any different in the gas only model?
I love you guys for doing this types of test keep up the good work
Did you do this same test on a CX9? Do you have a video?
Is this not the same drive system as the old e hybrid. ?
99% of us only care about taking off swiftly from an intersection during the winter. God bless my 3rd Gen which does this flawlessly.
Did you guys do this test with the previous gen CR-V? Curious how this compares cause I thought they made it work a little better in the previous Gen so it’s disappointing to see how bad this is.
The CR-V's relatively-crude AWD has always been disappointing.
Merry Christmas guys!
Great test, unfortunate they designed this as such.
All the hardware is already on the vehicle the wheel speed sensors abs pump etc. why spare the few lines of code Honda?
Maybe purely because of product positioning? It’d compete with the Pilot if it was better off-road.
Exactly, this is ridiculous. The vehicle should be better at this for the price they are selling it at.
Would be cool to see a comparison in the classic channel with a 1st gen crv
Honda's have always needed a lot of gas to get the most out of the AWD system... it's not 4X4.
awd is pointless in this turd
Looks like traction control is disabled, is that possible. For 2023, Honda supposedly changed the awd system to send upto 50% of the power to the rear.
I've been a Honda fan for a long time, and I admit, this is disappointing. The iVTM-4 system in the Pilot/Ridgeline/Passport is a much better AWD system, and I wished it was equipped in the CR-V. Granted, a vast majority of CR-V owners won't take there vehicles off road, but I bet that the previous generation CR-V would've performed better than the current one.
Glad to see theses tests BEFORE buying this CRV Hybrid. Well after 2 Honda CRV's going to look elsewhere for my next car
Kinda surprised that individual wheel braking to transfer torque is not part of the traction control system. I thought that is one of the requirements of the system? TC shouldn't be just reducing throttle, it needs to brake spinning wheel even on a 2WD application.
Is there a hybrid vehicle that does well in the TFL slip test??
I am going to guess, Wrangler Rubicon 4Xe.
@@rodgood Ooof look at that MSRP though. Thanks!
How about Subaru Forester hybrid? I used to have one and drove on beach with normal fuel saving tyres without any problem.
🤔 I don’t think a hybrid Forester exists… Yet. 😝 in USA at least… - right?? But it would most certainly destroy this abomination in performance and price. … probably not as handsome tho. This one’s pretty!!
Wow, as someone who lives in snowy mountains, this video just stopped me from putting down a Deposit on the new CRV hybrid. What a massive disappointment
Love you to try this with 2023 Jeep Compass and 2024 Mazda CX50