The biggest thing about fairy types that frustrates me is that they resist bug type. Bug type was weak enough as it was and when a new type was added they could easily have made bug resist fairy to balance it a bit more.
The last type added, (dark), is weak to bug. I'm going to take a guess and ssay the reason they made it a resist is because technically bug was buffed the last time a type was added
I'm not surprised it resists Bug, since Fairies often have bug-like features and an association with nature. However, I would have preferred them to not have Fairy resist Bug anyway, even though it makes perfect sense thematically. Perhaps it would be ideal if they could just resist each other, though
They should really make Steel and Poison better offensively Water has been placed with two weaknesses, as well as Ghost, if GF was smart they can do the same with Fairy
Honestly, I think it's very funny that Fairy was introduced to indirectly nerf overpowered types like Dragon, Dark, and Fighting but it ironically became just as broken itself.
It's so funny that they randomly made fairy resist bug. I always kind of thought bug could be super effective to fairy, imagining something like a Caterpie eating away at some fairy circle in the forest but bug can't help catching strays all these years later
>dragon is only resisted by steel >make fairies immune to dragon moves >fighting hits 5 types super effectively >make fairies resist fighting moves >steel lost its dark resistance >make fairies resist dark moves >fuck bugs >make fairies resist bug moves
@@Unresolvedissues101Fate Grand Order certainly has a good example as to why fairies arent always good........also ironically both Fate's asshole fae and pokemon's more agressive take on fae (Hatterene, Grimnsnarl) are both british
Thinking about the introduction of Fairy, it's funny that the duo of it and Steel essentially became the new kind of "Steel" type, but better. Although I'm very much glad that the Fairy itself would give Poison a reason to be used rather than for its status.
Or giving other relatively bland mons secondary Fairy types, aka Mawile and Azumarill these are the only relevant non-Normal mons that ever got the Fairy treatment
It's actually really good for the game balance in general, no? I mean it's to strong ofc but the state in which dragons were pre fairy type was just stupid. I think reverse the resistance/weakness relationship between fairy and bug would be a good change but otherwise I'm very happy that we have it!
I never understood why Bug wasn't made to be super effective against Fairy when it came out. It was already a weak type and I think you can easily make a case for it fitting thematically, too.
>dragon is only resisted by steel >make fairies immune to dragon moves >fighting hits 5 types super effectively >make fairies resist fighting moves >steel lost its dark resistance >make fairies resist dark moves >fuck bugs >make fairies resist bug moves
Other than bugs can eat fairies in tinkerbell, I do not see the "thematics" you say it does have. I also think its lame to just label the fairy type as the "tinkerbell guardian of the forest, do no harm no badness type". Like most fae creatures aren't purely good.
This might be an unpopular opinion but i’ve always been big fan of the addition of fairies. As a poison type stan, it gave so many of my children an actual niche.
I like them too it just feels like they became overpowered after being implemented to balance another overpowered type. I think another weakness to a good offensive type (Ice, Bug, Fire) would have helped
Ever since the introduction of Xerneas, I think that was the perfect Pokemon to represent how much of a real threat they are and to this day it comes out to be one of my favorite legendaries of all time.
I just.... wished it was light type... I liked the aesthetic of angels, aboleths, etc and i kinda thought it would work well... Especially since it couldve been "positive energy" that defeated things like evil, dragons, etc.
I love how fairy were made because dragon was "too broken" in gen 5 but gamefreak made fairies EVEN MORE BROKEN Like my god we could have just rebalanced ice making them resist dragon
Honestly, Dragon isn’t a good type, it’s just that Dragon-type Pokémon tend to be way too strong. Yes, four decent resistances, but two weaknesses, only one decent STAB matchup, and it’s ITSELF!? Not to mention Fairy only making that worse…
Hard disagree, fairies aren't nearly as broken as dragons were, there used to be a whole strategy of 5 Dragon types + Magnezone to trap steel types, I don't think anything like that is done with Fairy types.
@@gregorymirabella1423 Fairy has 1 immunity, 2 weaknesses, 3 resistances, 3 not very effective and 3 super effective match ups, it's strictly weaker than ghost type defensively number wise (2 immunities and 2 resistances) -Pre-gen 6, Dragon had 2 weaknesses (one of which is itself), 4 resistances, 1 super effective (itself) and 1 not very effective match ups (steel)
Obviously Fairy was introduced to nerf dragon, but also to buff Poison and Steel who offensively were almost useless. With this in mind I am still baffled as to why Fairy's Bug interaction is as a resist rather than a weakness as bug is also poor offensively. Super effective U-Turns would have gone a long way to make Fairy balanced.
@@okagron defensively steel is great and its not bad offensively. Rocks ices and fairies are pretty nice types to hit and steel has no immunities. This is what makes something like sciz and mega meta so devastating. Even something like specs magneton is very hard to switch in lower tiers. Fairy is better offensively but a steel is necessary in every team but a fairy is NOT.
they nerfed it way too hard. It makes no sense whatsoeever for fairy to have immunity to dragon. Like wtf. It already makes no sense for dragon to be weak to fairy, just thematically. It makes way more sense for dragon to be weak to steel. Instead of just nerfing dragon they totally obliterated them and fairy has just become the new dragon type and it has been like this for more than 10 years since their introduction. Same stale fairy dominated meta, every single gen because they just aren't weak to anything that is offensively strong and nerf dragon way too hard. They also often have access to powerful psychic moves which makes it even worse.
@@ronjohnson2760 fairy is honestly not as good as steel and i would go on to say as far as dark and ghost all honestly. Its a good type but not at all a type needing nerf.
The immunity to dragon alone was big in changing the whole competitive scene which comprised of high damaging moves such as draco meteor/outrage getting spammed given that many dragon types have good offensive base stats that they would make use of with a decent/good base speed stats. Even most steel types didn't want to switch in to many of the the attacks given their absurd base move damage and the fact that most dragon types have strong fire attacks or earthquake/earth power for coverage.
Poison's come a long way since gen 1 and I'm glad. They can't miss toxic, absorb Tspikes, and got some excellent representation with mons like Glowking, Glimmora, Clodsire, and Sneasler
I can see them doing that in the next gen. Fairy did alot of the game balancing wise but a slight nerfs to fairy with slight buffs to Bug etc might help.
@@OlaveSavior It is true that the starter pokemon are more competitively viable and yet Gamefreak neglects more popular pokemon like the Gen 1 and 2 starters. I think every starter pokemon should get a 3rd ability instead of 2 to help alleviate their weaknesses.
Really appreciate these edited breakdowns of competitve Pokemon topics - such a good concept, so well done and the editing style is very fun and easy to digest. Shout outs to Joey for being an absolute legend.
Im sad about Bug not being super effective against Fairy, yes, Fairy resist Bug because all the fairy tales or guardians of the nature, but that is already represented by his relation with the Grass type, the Bug type represents all the Insects and things that are part of our real life being usually middly realistic, weird or pointing in shapes, meanwhile the Fairies are represented by the butterflies that are nothing against a predatory bug, for me that makes more sense that the relationship of Dark and Bug. (Sorry for broken english, I recently think this and wanted to share it)
Well, keep in mind "fairy" doesnt just refers to say pixies and steriotypical butterfly-esque fairies, but also refers to things like trolls, dullahans (you know, the headless dudes), nymphs and so on, and fairies are also known for exploiting nature and its creatures, as well as humans So even if it sucks for the bug type (all time fave, just saying), them not hurting fairies all that much makes sense
I enjoy then adding fairy’s. Just let Bug type be super effective/neutral against fairy instead of very resisting it maybe let bugs resist it too. By doing that I think it would let those types become a little bit more balanced.
@@keion_arknights I agree. I think that's the same logic as Fighting types being too noble to want to harm Fairy types, hence the resist. Bug should 100% resist Fairy
Many argue that Dragons were a broken type due to their incredible strength. However, it's important to understand that their power stemmed from their exceptionally high base stats, rather than their typing advantage. Dragon-type Pokémon have consistently boasted some of the highest base stats across generations, making them formidable contenders in battles. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, Latios, and others dominated, much like Metagross and Tyranitar. (all sub-legendary 600bst) i'm not saying that dragon was a bad type, but it was balance, (similar to water 4 resistence and 2 weknesses) Fast forword to now: You can clearly see the weakness of Dragon by looking at the lack of Dragon moves on non-Dragon Pokémon, or throughout the return of some dragon in the meta, thank to tera that allow them to lose the dragon type. Do we ever see non-dragon pokemon using tera Dragon? Now, Fairy type is by far the strongest type in the game, arguably surpassing Dragon's previous dominance.
Nah, fairies aren't as dominant as dragons used to be, there was a whole strategy that involved having a team of 5 Dragon types + Magnezone to trap steel types, I don't think anything like that is done with Fairy types
The thing that is utterly wild about Fairy doesn't have to do directly with Fairy type. It has to do with it's weaknesses. Before Fairy type existed, Poison hit only *_ONE_* type for super effective damage, Grass type. Meanwhile, Poison was resisted by itself, which is a problem given that Poison is already considered a "stall-esque" type since it's best known for spreading residual damage with T-Spikes and Toxic, as well as bulky Pokemon like Muk, Tentacruel, and Amoongus taking advantage of their Poison typing to resist Fighting and U-Turn. But Poison was also resisted by Ground and Rock. Being resisted by Ground is just asking to invite in a Pokemon that knows STAB Earthquake, while being resisted by Rock let in Tyranitar to pursuit you as you switched out once your Sludge Bomb thudded off it's massive Sp. Def. Being resisted by Ghost was just another kick in the pants, since so many Ghosts were bulky, like Drifblim, Spiritomb, Cofagrigus, Jellicent, and the gen 4 Rotom appliances. But even the frail Gengar now had a quad resistance to opposing Sludge Bombs. Steel was in no better of a place offensively. It hit the already-weakness-laden Ice and Rock types, big whoop. Use Close Combat to punch through these defensively-burdened types, or better yet, lay down Stealth Rocks and render Ice types useless, while Rock types don't appreciate taking neutral hazard damage (because Rock doesn't resist itself). Meanwhile, Steel is resisted by Water, an already invincible type that's very common as a defensive backbone, so you'll never face a serious team that can't switch into you. It's also resisted by Fire and Electric, which are two typically frail types that struggle to find opportunities to switch in. Until you throw the game by clicking something goofy like a Steel move, so now these Specs Fire and Electric types can dish out STAB Fire Blasts, Overheats, Thunderbolts, and Volt Switches while you have to shamefully retreat to a Dragon type to soak up the Fire and Electric moves. Poison needs some serious buffs on the offensive spectrum, while Steel is kind of okay where it's at, being a defensively S tier type and an offensive letdown. If they did buff Steel type's offensive capabilities, it could do with some more weaknesses as compensation, like to Electric (really weird that it isn't weak to that), or Water (water rusting metal), but ultimately I don't think anyone is in a hurry to change Steel type too much. But Poison could do with some buffs and there's already a type that's got it way too good as it is. Water type. Two weaknesses, Grass, a type that turns a broken Pokemon into a balanced one, and a balanced Pokemon into a mediocre one. And Electric, which can be pivoted onto almost reflexively, thanks to Ground types. Water is such a broken type, hitting 3 types for super-effective in Fire, Rock, and Ground, which are all important types to hit, and being resisted by itself, Dragon, and Grass. But Dragon and Grass don't really matter as resistances since Water types all pack Ice Beam since Ice is an amazing OFFENSIVE type when you don't have to take 25% from Stealth Rocks to use Ice Beam. But Poison could work as a type that is super effective to Water, since you can contaminate water with toxic chemicals. But mostly so that Water will finally have a weakness it doesn't automatically check with Ice Beam, or even worse, Freeze Dry, allowing Water to check all of it's resistances in a single move.
And Bug has always struggled to find a niche, with its best claims to fame being specific powerful moves; As shown by Ice, all it takes is for those moves to be distributed a bit more widely, and the Pokémon with the Type will see their usage fade away, unless they have something going for them outside of being a Bug Type.
I love the Fairy type but they should’ve just made Ice a better Dragon counter by making it resist Dragon (and arguably Water but Ice is supposed to be fantastic offensively so…) I do like how Poison got a buff though because of Fairy but Fairy 100% felt TOO engineered as a response to Dragon Also I think an underrated negative to Fairy was that they wanted to make Steel better offensively and also wanted Steel to resist which is why Dark and Ghost were removed as resists. Ghost and somewhat Dark are incredibly braindead spam types nowadays because of it.
Fairy is a cool type but I got a couple problems with it. Fairy was made to nerf dragons/dark and game freak made a new type instead of buffing Ice type to make it a relevant check. Fairy types also seemed to be the favorite at Game freak because they always seem to have the tools to deal with their checks which they have only recently started to change. Lastly why are there so many Steel/Fairy types. Its a typing combo that should be as rare as water/fire, ice/fire but instead we got 5 of them in just 4 gens.
All are horrifying threats really, except for non-Mega Mawile and Tinkaton, who are still elevated by their typing and movepool. I understand Magearna's point of being overpowered, as well as Zacian, a natural version of something artificial, Klefki would've never gotten as much usage without Prankster and it's stupidly defensive typing, Mawile- I'm still unsure why it's a steel type, but go off, and as for Tinkaton? I mean its cool but it is just another Fairy/Steel type, with a really random concept.
And this is why we dread the inception of a Ground/Fairy as a competitive ICBM, as well as the degeneracy that is Steel/Fairy, which could never go below UU since it would break the game if it went any further.
While i think it’s a bit overtuned defensively (like why the bug resist…) i still think fairy was a good addition overall to save modern gens from banded outrages and specs dracos
As a dragon-type fan, it made me really sad that Outrage became such a bad move because of the introduction of fairy types. Special attacking dragons still had draco meteor, so it hurt physical attacking dragons the worst, and we didn't get a good move to replace it. One of the reasons I love Glaive Rush.
I feel like GF tried to balance Fairies by giving most of them pretty low stats. Of course, this didn't work because legendary Fairies have the same BST as other legends, so they ended up dominating OU anyways.
Hearing Joey pronounce garganacl's name normally caught me super off guard 😂 I do wish they had done a little more to check fairy type when it was released, like making bug hit it super effectively or something.
People who say dragons werent OP due to their type but for their stats/movepool/abilities/etc need to realize they're just admitting EVERYTHING about dragons was OP and their typing just happened to be moderate part of it. Fairy got so strong by just no selling the strongest type in the yard. Dragons desperately needed the nerf.
You know your type is overtuned when your decently strong, common, special attacking STAB option is slightly shy of 100 BP, has a max 24 PP, has a 30% chance to drop Sp. Atk, and isn't even resisted by anything. Like what's the justification in that design? Could've easily made it another Ice Beam, but I guess they thought Moonblast really needed to be that cracked. Fairy's resistance to Bug is also weird to me, feels like they only did that as a "fuck you" to U-turn instead of just making that move base 65 or whatever. Turn that Bug resistance into a weakness / neutrality and I think that makes things a bit fairer
Who would believe such a pink, cutesy type would be our new type overlords Then again, things like Nymphs, Dullahans (the headless rider) and Trolls counts as fairies, so maybe it wasnt that surprising🤔
Honestly literally no reason for fairy to be dragon immune, resist would have done the job fine. Dragon offensively was balanced around neutral damage, adding more powerful new steel types and then absolutely flooding out fairy types wouldnt have been that insane without immunity to the best neutral coverage type in previous gens. Also yeh literally remove steel resists, add them to fairy, Steel 2 + super effective coverage on 3 of the most powerful and common typing or secondary types. Gamefreak have 0 foresight for game balance.
>Dragon Types are too overbearing >Introduce Fairy type to fix that >Fairy replaces Dragon as the overbearing type >Still somehow led to a healthier metagame overall How did they do this
Because dragon moves are only resisted by steel types and most dragon mons learn fire fighting ground moves too bt on the other hand fairy moves are resisted by steel poison and fire and if u want to create a balanced team then u have to keep at least 1 steel mon and fire mons are pretty common too and not to mention theirs no ability to trap fire poison type and one last thing the most used fairy moves are draining kiss and moonblast which are weaker compared to outrage draco meteor
Cause Pokémon that are dragon type have like a BST of at least 600 lol. Whenever there’s a Dragon that is released with less, it’s usually an afterthought.
Personally I think it's because people sleep on how good Fire is and what a big mistake it is to let them in easily. Fire actually has 5 other resistances and half their switch-ins fear burn by definition. More viability for Fire creates a metagame with more manageable threats with more specific answers. Whereas a metagame where Dragons alone were what you feared coming in created a lot of untenable situations because every Dragon carried Earthquake, Fire Blast, or some other common coverage to blank Steels. That and making Poison and Steel moves actually get used as coverage.
It was interesting to see in Gen 6 that with the exception of the box legend and megas, fairies were fairly slow and many of them had average stats as if they knew the type would compensate. It made me think they were playing it safe to see if it would be too strong, but I thought game freak wouldn't be able to resist the selling hype of faster, stronger fairies. The gen after didn't let me down, that's for sure and neither did the rest.
Fairy just took over what dragon used to be. It’s the new “mythical “ typing that beats dragons. We still got awesome dragons but many can get mollywhooped by a angry wigglytuff cause why not suddenly
More videos like this please 👌🏾🔥 As per usual great video I wonder when we’ll get a new type if Ever 🤔 I’d like to see (in addition to the obvious sound) a cosmic/spiritual type soo many aliens Pokémon are ‘psychic’ when they are other worldly and should be cosmic types or dual cosmic types.
>dragon is only resisted by steel >make fairies immune to dragon moves >fighting hits 5 types super effectively >make fairies resist fighting moves >steel lost its dark resistance >make fairies resist dark moves >fuck bugs >make fairies resist bug moves
Since this is a video about typing I want to bounce a theory off some of you people. Would ice typing be fixed defensively if it gained an immunity to water? Arguments for it: I'm pretty sure type balances are logic based and that the defending type has more of said element than the attacker. So putting water on an enormous amount of ice would just result in it freezing, which is why ice being immune to water wouldn't be that out of the question. With the only exceptions being Scald, Steam Eruption and the Volcanion move, which could be neutral, or even super-effective, like freeze-dry acts for example. Would love to get some input from you guys! I'd make it into a video but I'm not exactly a content creator lol
I think there are 6 main reasons why the fairy type "feels" op 1)it's weaknesses are more physically defensive types and most fairies are strong special attackers(eg magearna zacian and azumarill are exceptions) 2)the types fairy is weak against fairy has coverage to deal with it most fairies have a fire/psychic move 3) moonblast is an extremely spammable move and I think needs a massive nerf 95 base power 100% accuracy with a 30 % chance to lower spa?yea sounds op 4)most broken types like dragon and psychic have immunities but fairy doesn't 5)fairy types usually get broken moves and abilities aside from their good typing(zacian magearna azumarill the tapus the list goes on) 6) literally 90% of fairies get recovery which I don't think needs to be mentioned is a REALLY good trait to have In my opinion the strongest types are 1)steel 2)ghost 3)fairy But according to BROKENNESS I would say 1)ghost(yes even with an immunity) 2)fairy 3)water How I would nerf the fairy type:- 1)make something IMMUNE to it(not resist that does not solve the issue) 2)add more offensive steel/poison types and maybe add a weakness 3)nerf the move moonblast seriously it gets way too much value at least make it like 90 bp or 95% accurate
the fact that fairy is only 2 agaisnt the 2 weakest offensive types at the time rl makes it hard to counter if they added 1 more common weakness they wouldnt be so overbearing
honestly ice and rock type should resist Fairy Type attacks give a boost to run more Ice-type pokemon since they are underpowerd compared to ice type attacks as coverage
@@pokeaimMDthat will just cause another type to become the dominant one. You make a type that beat Fairy and Steel, Dragon get a lot stronger, and then what? Another dragon nerf? If you begin playing that game the only result is that we will need to relearn the chart every generation.
@@noukan42 it doesn't have to be dominant if it has enough weaknesses and there is nothing wrong with relearning the type chart, we've done it several times already
Fairies have a history of being very good in LC. Swirlix is a top 5 LC mon ever abd usually gets banned, and Cutiefly is also good and QD spams its way to being banned.
@@numberstheidiot Resisting mienfoo's hjk is very helpful, however these Pokémon only end up being legal in early eras of the metagame where mienfoo isn't as good because besides Sneasel, Mienfoo struggles against a lot of the classic broken LC Pokémon.
I like fairies, but they need to tweak them a little. My idea was to maybe: 1.) remove their Bug resistance and give Bugs fairy resist instead (as they currently only have ground and grass with far less offensive success). 2.) nerf moonblast to either 80-85 power or remove the Spa drop.
Moonblast has no business being stronger and having a higher secondary effect chance than Tbolt/Flamethrower/Psychic when it has no immunities. Nothing's immune to ice beam either, but at least ice is held back by being a bad defensive type unlike fairy.
I feel like reducing the spec attack drop from 30 to 10% is fine for moonblast. I agree with the bug resist tho, completely unnecessary and makes bug types even crappier than they already are
i really think they made a mistake with moonblast also, its one of the best moves in the game if you ask me right up there with earthquake, and dragon dance
0:52 No, I'm pretty sure fire is actually strong against fairy! otherwise Dachsbun's ability wouldn't exist! Also im pretty sure when Ive used fire against fairy types it has been super effective!
@@pokeaimMD I'm pretty sure when i attacked poppys fairy tera type tinkaton that it was super effective... but maybe you're right and btw i know that with weak against it means they resist
Sound type Effective against Fairy, water, steel (sound travels faster through water and steel, fairy for balance) Resisted by normal, psychic, bug, sound (sound waves cancel out, telepathic pokemon, psychics, do not need to hear, others are mostly for balance) Added effect: always pierces substitute Throat chop becomes a fighting move effective against sound Tons of notable mons including kricketune, whismur line, chatot, Jigglypuff, audino, Pyroar, meloetta, etc.
Fairy is a good type but I still think they should have a weaknesa to Fire. That will balance it out a bit more. And it fits the theme of places fairies live like Forests burning from Fire.
I mentioned in a comment that I'd like Fairy to be strong and weak against Ghost, so Ghost can differentiate itself from Dark. Keep Fire's resistance to Fairy though.
Best thing about Fairies is that it made Steel and Poison much more offensively viable. Seriously I mostly play Gen 3 now so the absence of Fary types is really felt here
One additional thing for your video is that sableye was untouchable due to being a dark/ghost type Pokémon which resisted against both psychic and fighting type Pokémon. But with the addition of fairy type Pokémon, sableye was no longer completely untouchable though since sableye can learn metal claw, the cave dweller can strike back at fairy type Pokémon.
I believe Joey has said the same thing in a video. It's not that dragon-type was too strong, it's that they created too many good dragon types (and then gave them all draco meteor)
I find it interesting that Fairy is currently the only type that hasn’t been with Fire or Ground yet. I can see why Fairy hasn’t been with Ground yet though.
Unpopular opinion: Dragon as a type in generation V wasn't overpowered. Semi-legendary with 600 BST, Outrage made to 120 BP, the wide access to Draco Meteor and Dragon Dance made them overpowered. Imagine if all Dark-type Pokémon has access to all the same tool like Devastation (Outrage), Night Crash (Draco Meteor), and Quick Scheme (Dragon Dance). It will lead the metagame to the rise of Fairy-type and even perhaps Bug-type to face the problem, while Psychic, Ghost, Dragon and even perhaps Grass type are going to be way less used.
@@wind64a39 Introducing *Stealth Ice* Dragon/Flying and Dragon/Ground types being like: _"Guess it is Heavy Duty Boots time..."_ To be fair, I believe Stealth Rock was created to have hazard punishing Flying type Pokémon, as they ignored the other ones. The move could have been: _Deals X% damage, doubled if Flying-type or have Levitation._ But instead chose type effectiveness. So they could have chosen between Rock, Electric or Ice. Since Ground type Pokémon are immune, they could only pick between Rock and Ice. I wonder how the metagame would have evolved if it was Ice-type. For example, the newly Fairy type could only have a Dragon resistance due to Dragon-type being manageable already, and the Fairy type would perhaps have a Fire resistance since the new meta would have put Fire Pokémon instead of Ground Pokémon to deal with Steel. Meanwhile, Tropius, Torterra, Gliscore or Alolan Exeggutor: _"We are doomed!"_
Fairy still lacks a lot too… most notably is move variety Moonblast, Play rough, Dazzling Gleam, and sometimes Draining Kiss Physical options are extremely limited to the sometimes inaccurate Play Rough or the rare Spirit Break Moonblast on the other hand is arguably broken with more power than Psychic and a higher chance to inflict its secondary effect Fairy also still lacks useful Status moves outside of Geomancy, as well as no priority attacks
so many normal types turned fairy but Chansey was left as is for some reason also most of myhicals would be fairy if the type existed, but they decided to not change them
Fairy is way too OP for it's own god imo. One thing people don't seem to realize is Dragons were MEANT to be powerful and overbearing. Three stage evolution, slow XP gain but worth it. You got a powerhouse in the end for your hard work. Gen 6 rolls and it becomes completely unusuable due to the fact Fairy completely resists Dragon. Then GF's dumbass decides to create a Fairy/Dragon type in the form of mega Altaria which was not only hypocritical but a huge slap in the face to dragon users. Haven't played Pokemon since ORAS and haven't looked back.
I always felt that Psychic should resist Fairy (instead of fire) and bug also resist it the same way fighting and bug resist each other. Also i wonder how it would be if instead of inmunity to dragon, fairy only resisted it 🤔
I love Fairy-types in competitive. Lower tiers were pretty clearly starved for Fairies in ORAS, seeing as RU slurped up decidedly mid Pokemon like Togetic and Granbull, but Florges, Sylveon, and Gardevoir put good showings in UU. Mega Audino was both the mega and the fairy type of NU. Clefairy, Mr Mime, and Mawile were and are ORAS PU titans. Even little Carbink has a solid niche in ORAS ZU, alongside Wigglytuff, although their placements might change with the departure of Purugly. It’s pretty clear to see in the proportion of new Pokemon that Fairies were a big focus for gens 6-8, as you have a lot of new fairy types added in those gens to make up for it being a new type. That’s why I think there was less of a scramble for fairy types in the lower tiers of gen 7, as the scarcity and novelty were reduced a bit.
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The biggest thing about fairy types that frustrates me is that they resist bug type. Bug type was weak enough as it was and when a new type was added they could easily have made bug resist fairy to balance it a bit more.
The last type added, (dark), is weak to bug. I'm going to take a guess and ssay the reason they made it a resist is because technically bug was buffed the last time a type was added
@@Jamie16they also added steel in gen 2, which walled bugs
@@BadNicknames very true. Guess bug just drew the short straw
bug types could have been the perfect counter to fairy type, but instead fairy type resists them
I'm not surprised it resists Bug, since Fairies often have bug-like features and an association with nature. However, I would have preferred them to not have Fairy resist Bug anyway, even though it makes perfect sense thematically. Perhaps it would be ideal if they could just resist each other, though
If Pokemon ever makes a 19th type in the future, you know they're going to make it super effective against Fairy
and resist bug, grass and ice....for the lolz
They should really make Steel and Poison better offensively
Water has been placed with two weaknesses, as well as Ghost, if GF was smart they can do the same with Fairy
@@Curaga-y6tbug and grass for sure but ice probably gets another weakness if anything
@@Curaga-y6tthis is just Fire type #2 😭😭
@@Curaga-y6t resisting ice is ok, ice is good offensivively, making it effective against ice that would suck
Honestly, I think it's very funny that Fairy was introduced to indirectly nerf overpowered types like Dragon, Dark, and Fighting but it ironically became just as broken itself.
It's so funny that they randomly made fairy resist bug. I always kind of thought bug could be super effective to fairy, imagining something like a Caterpie eating away at some fairy circle in the forest but bug can't help catching strays all these years later
>dragon is only resisted by steel
>make fairies immune to dragon moves
>fighting hits 5 types super effectively
>make fairies resist fighting moves
>steel lost its dark resistance
>make fairies resist dark moves
>fuck bugs
>make fairies resist bug moves
I think they should've made Bug and maybe Grass resist Fairy. Fairies are the guardians of the forest, so they shouldn't be able to damage it.
@@guillemtb1671 yes but there are other fairy variations. Pixies or nymphs can probably fo damage if the want
@@guillemtb1671 fae arent inherently good and lets be honest they are def using bugs as farm animals ( I mean actual fae not the disney stuff).
@@Unresolvedissues101Fate Grand Order certainly has a good example as to why fairies arent always good........also ironically both Fate's asshole fae and pokemon's more agressive take on fae (Hatterene, Grimnsnarl) are both british
Thinking about the introduction of Fairy, it's funny that the duo of it and Steel essentially became the new kind of "Steel" type, but better. Although I'm very much glad that the Fairy itself would give Poison a reason to be used rather than for its status.
The best thing Fairy did was make a bunch of Normal type Pokémon interesting for the first time in their history
Or giving other relatively bland mons secondary Fairy types, aka Mawile and Azumarill these are the only relevant non-Normal mons that ever got the Fairy treatment
It's actually really good for the game balance in general, no? I mean it's to strong ofc but the state in which dragons were pre fairy type was just stupid. I think reverse the resistance/weakness relationship between fairy and bug would be a good change but otherwise I'm very happy that we have it!
Agreed fairy is a good addition
True
@@MintyTea_N what about gardevoir?
Fairy could've been so much more balanced if they'd just made some slight changes:
- Doesn't resist Bug
- Resisted by Grass and Ice
I never understood why Bug wasn't made to be super effective against Fairy when it came out. It was already a weak type and I think you can easily make a case for it fitting thematically, too.
>dragon is only resisted by steel
>make fairies immune to dragon moves
>fighting hits 5 types super effectively
>make fairies resist fighting moves
>steel lost its dark resistance
>make fairies resist dark moves
>fuck bugs
>make fairies resist bug moves
Honestly, steel should still resist dark.
Nah fuck bugs
Other than bugs can eat fairies in tinkerbell, I do not see the "thematics" you say it does have. I also think its lame to just label the fairy type as the "tinkerbell guardian of the forest, do no harm no badness type". Like most fae creatures aren't purely good.
@@BPbruv
Okay, Misty.
This might be an unpopular opinion but i’ve always been big fan of the addition of fairies. As a poison type stan, it gave so many of my children an actual niche.
I'm happy as well
My favourite type honestly, glad Poison and Steel got buffed with it
I like them too it just feels like they became overpowered after being implemented to balance another overpowered type. I think another weakness to a good offensive type (Ice, Bug, Fire) would have helped
@@tylerd1297i reckon ice resisting fairy would be a really nice change
Ever since the introduction of Xerneas, I think that was the perfect Pokemon to represent how much of a real threat they are and to this day it comes out to be one of my favorite legendaries of all time.
I just.... wished it was light type...
I liked the aesthetic of angels, aboleths, etc and i kinda thought it would work well...
Especially since it couldve been "positive energy" that defeated things like evil, dragons, etc.
magearna and the tapus is actually a fantastic band name i would totally see that live
Sound pretty rock/metal, agree.
@@XENON3120 okay i see you with that one
I love how fairy were made because dragon was "too broken" in gen 5 but gamefreak made fairies EVEN MORE BROKEN
Like my god we could have just rebalanced ice making them resist dragon
Honestly, Dragon isn’t a good type, it’s just that Dragon-type Pokémon tend to be way too strong. Yes, four decent resistances, but two weaknesses, only one decent STAB matchup, and it’s ITSELF!? Not to mention Fairy only making that worse…
Hard disagree, fairies aren't nearly as broken as dragons were, there used to be a whole strategy of 5 Dragon types + Magnezone to trap steel types, I don't think anything like that is done with Fairy types.
@@حَسن-م3ه9ظ But the type itself is actually good, instead of it just being slapped on high bst mons.
@@gregorymirabella1423 Fairy has 1 immunity, 2 weaknesses, 3 resistances, 3 not very effective and 3 super effective match ups, it's strictly weaker than ghost type defensively number wise (2 immunities and 2 resistances)
-Pre-gen 6, Dragon had 2 weaknesses (one of which is itself), 4 resistances, 1 super effective (itself) and 1 not very effective match ups (steel)
Obviously Fairy was introduced to nerf dragon, but also to buff Poison and Steel who offensively were almost useless. With this in mind I am still baffled as to why Fairy's Bug interaction is as a resist rather than a weakness as bug is also poor offensively. Super effective U-Turns would have gone a long way to make Fairy balanced.
Their biggest mistake was thinking that Steel needed any type of offensive buff. It's far and away the best type already.
@@JumbaJumby Defensively it is, offensively it wasn't. Also nah. Fairy type is better.
@@okagron defensively steel is great and its not bad offensively. Rocks ices and fairies are pretty nice types to hit and steel has no immunities. This is what makes something like sciz and mega meta so devastating. Even something like specs magneton is very hard to switch in lower tiers. Fairy is better offensively but a steel is necessary in every team but a fairy is NOT.
they nerfed it way too hard. It makes no sense whatsoeever for fairy to have immunity to dragon. Like wtf. It already makes no sense for dragon to be weak to fairy, just thematically. It makes way more sense for dragon to be weak to steel. Instead of just nerfing dragon they totally obliterated them and fairy has just become the new dragon type and it has been like this for more than 10 years since their introduction. Same stale fairy dominated meta, every single gen because they just aren't weak to anything that is offensively strong and nerf dragon way too hard. They also often have access to powerful psychic moves which makes it even worse.
@@ronjohnson2760 fairy is honestly not as good as steel and i would go on to say as far as dark and ghost all honestly. Its a good type but not at all a type needing nerf.
The immunity to dragon alone was big in changing the whole competitive scene which comprised of high damaging moves such as draco meteor/outrage getting spammed given that many dragon types have good offensive base stats that they would make use of with a decent/good base speed stats. Even most steel types didn't want to switch in to many of the the attacks given their absurd base move damage and the fact that most dragon types have strong fire attacks or earthquake/earth power for coverage.
Love the hidden poison type buff
Poison's come a long way since gen 1 and I'm glad. They can't miss toxic, absorb Tspikes, and got some excellent representation with mons like Glowking, Glimmora, Clodsire, and Sneasler
@@mr.sandman7339yeah also iron moth and overqwil
And eternatus bby, finally a poison legendary.
@yungmuney5903 and who's statistically the most powerful pokemon too
Still don’t get why they made bug type worse instead of better
Ngl grass and bug should resist fairy because of nature and all that
Gamefreak isn't exactly well informed on the pokemon metagame. They are more focused on making revenue for their company.
I can see them doing that in the next gen. Fairy did alot of the game balancing wise but a slight nerfs to fairy with slight buffs to Bug etc might help.
@@Renegade77784trust me they are. Look at how many competitively engineered Pokémon introduced in Gen 9 compared to other generations.
@@OlaveSavior It is true that the starter pokemon are more competitively viable and yet Gamefreak neglects more popular pokemon like the Gen 1 and 2 starters. I think every starter pokemon should get a 3rd ability instead of 2 to help alleviate their weaknesses.
Really appreciate these edited breakdowns of competitve Pokemon topics - such a good concept, so well done and the editing style is very fun and easy to digest. Shout outs to Joey for being an absolute legend.
Shoutout to you man, Thank you for appreciating my video edits in these discussion videos, yeah Joey is a true legend
The production quality of your videos has been absolutely amazing. Love watching them man
Im sad about Bug not being super effective against Fairy, yes, Fairy resist Bug because all the fairy tales or guardians of the nature, but that is already represented by his relation with the Grass type, the Bug type represents all the Insects and things that are part of our real life being usually middly realistic, weird or pointing in shapes, meanwhile the Fairies are represented by the butterflies that are nothing against a predatory bug, for me that makes more sense that the relationship of Dark and Bug.
(Sorry for broken english, I recently think this and wanted to share it)
Well, keep in mind "fairy" doesnt just refers to say pixies and steriotypical butterfly-esque fairies, but also refers to things like trolls, dullahans (you know, the headless dudes), nymphs and so on, and fairies are also known for exploiting nature and its creatures, as well as humans
So even if it sucks for the bug type (all time fave, just saying), them not hurting fairies all that much makes sense
I enjoy then adding fairy’s. Just let Bug type be super effective/neutral against fairy instead of very resisting it maybe let bugs resist it too. By doing that I think it would let those types become a little bit more balanced.
"Dragon types are too OP... LETS MAKE SOMETHING WORSE"
Oh, and Bug and Fairy relationship should 100% be flipped.
Many fairies are nature spirits and insects usually live in nature.
Imo fairy should be weak to and resisted by bug and resisted by grass.
@@nedrostram2360Doesn't mean much since you can just flip the script and say fairies don't want to harm nature so they're ineffective
@@keion_arknights I agree. I think that's the same logic as Fighting types being too noble to want to harm Fairy types, hence the resist. Bug should 100% resist Fairy
Gamefreak did at least do Bug types a favor by giving them Quiver Dance (the most overpowered stat boosting move in Pokemon history).
Many argue that Dragons were a broken type due to their incredible strength. However, it's important to understand that their power stemmed from their exceptionally high base stats, rather than their typing advantage. Dragon-type Pokémon have consistently boasted some of the highest base stats across generations, making them formidable contenders in battles. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, Latios, and others dominated, much like Metagross and Tyranitar. (all sub-legendary 600bst)
i'm not saying that dragon was a bad type, but it was balance, (similar to water 4 resistence and 2 weknesses)
Fast forword to now:
You can clearly see the weakness of Dragon by looking at the lack of Dragon moves on non-Dragon Pokémon, or throughout the return of some dragon in the meta, thank to tera that allow them to lose the dragon type. Do we ever see non-dragon pokemon using tera Dragon?
Now, Fairy type is by far the strongest type in the game, arguably surpassing Dragon's previous dominance.
One of those weaknesses was itself though, the mons did have good stats but the typing and outrage/draco was very op
in VGC, tera dragon is trash because of flutter mane's existence.
Nah, fairies aren't as dominant as dragons used to be, there was a whole strategy that involved having a team of 5 Dragon types + Magnezone to trap steel types, I don't think anything like that is done with Fairy types
The thing that is utterly wild about Fairy doesn't have to do directly with Fairy type. It has to do with it's weaknesses. Before Fairy type existed, Poison hit only *_ONE_* type for super effective damage, Grass type. Meanwhile, Poison was resisted by itself, which is a problem given that Poison is already considered a "stall-esque" type since it's best known for spreading residual damage with T-Spikes and Toxic, as well as bulky Pokemon like Muk, Tentacruel, and Amoongus taking advantage of their Poison typing to resist Fighting and U-Turn.
But Poison was also resisted by Ground and Rock. Being resisted by Ground is just asking to invite in a Pokemon that knows STAB Earthquake, while being resisted by Rock let in Tyranitar to pursuit you as you switched out once your Sludge Bomb thudded off it's massive Sp. Def. Being resisted by Ghost was just another kick in the pants, since so many Ghosts were bulky, like Drifblim, Spiritomb, Cofagrigus, Jellicent, and the gen 4 Rotom appliances. But even the frail Gengar now had a quad resistance to opposing Sludge Bombs.
Steel was in no better of a place offensively. It hit the already-weakness-laden Ice and Rock types, big whoop. Use Close Combat to punch through these defensively-burdened types, or better yet, lay down Stealth Rocks and render Ice types useless, while Rock types don't appreciate taking neutral hazard damage (because Rock doesn't resist itself). Meanwhile, Steel is resisted by Water, an already invincible type that's very common as a defensive backbone, so you'll never face a serious team that can't switch into you. It's also resisted by Fire and Electric, which are two typically frail types that struggle to find opportunities to switch in. Until you throw the game by clicking something goofy like a Steel move, so now these Specs Fire and Electric types can dish out STAB Fire Blasts, Overheats, Thunderbolts, and Volt Switches while you have to shamefully retreat to a Dragon type to soak up the Fire and Electric moves.
Poison needs some serious buffs on the offensive spectrum, while Steel is kind of okay where it's at, being a defensively S tier type and an offensive letdown. If they did buff Steel type's offensive capabilities, it could do with some more weaknesses as compensation, like to Electric (really weird that it isn't weak to that), or Water (water rusting metal), but ultimately I don't think anyone is in a hurry to change Steel type too much.
But Poison could do with some buffs and there's already a type that's got it way too good as it is. Water type. Two weaknesses, Grass, a type that turns a broken Pokemon into a balanced one, and a balanced Pokemon into a mediocre one. And Electric, which can be pivoted onto almost reflexively, thanks to Ground types. Water is such a broken type, hitting 3 types for super-effective in Fire, Rock, and Ground, which are all important types to hit, and being resisted by itself, Dragon, and Grass. But Dragon and Grass don't really matter as resistances since Water types all pack Ice Beam since Ice is an amazing OFFENSIVE type when you don't have to take 25% from Stealth Rocks to use Ice Beam. But Poison could work as a type that is super effective to Water, since you can contaminate water with toxic chemicals. But mostly so that Water will finally have a weakness it doesn't automatically check with Ice Beam, or even worse, Freeze Dry, allowing Water to check all of it's resistances in a single move.
And Bug has always struggled to find a niche, with its best claims to fame being specific powerful moves; As shown by Ice, all it takes is for those moves to be distributed a bit more widely, and the Pokémon with the Type will see their usage fade away, unless they have something going for them outside of being a Bug Type.
Water is fine. Posion is ok now. Buff Normal
I love the Fairy type but they should’ve just made Ice a better Dragon counter by making it resist Dragon (and arguably Water but Ice is supposed to be fantastic offensively so…)
I do like how Poison got a buff though because of Fairy but Fairy 100% felt TOO engineered as a response to Dragon
Also I think an underrated negative to Fairy was that they wanted to make Steel better offensively and also wanted Steel to resist which is why Dark and Ghost were removed as resists. Ghost and somewhat Dark are incredibly braindead spam types nowadays because of it.
Fairy is a cool type but I got a couple problems with it. Fairy was made to nerf dragons/dark and game freak made a new type instead of buffing Ice type to make it a relevant check. Fairy types also seemed to be the favorite at Game freak because they always seem to have the tools to deal with their checks which they have only recently started to change. Lastly why are there so many Steel/Fairy types. Its a typing combo that should be as rare as water/fire, ice/fire but instead we got 5 of them in just 4 gens.
I agree heavily that there's soo many steel/ Fairy types, that typing is very strong
Zacian, Magearna, Tinkaton.... what else?
Edit: Oh right Mawile and Klefki
All are horrifying threats really, except for non-Mega Mawile and Tinkaton, who are still elevated by their typing and movepool.
I understand Magearna's point of being overpowered, as well as Zacian, a natural version of something artificial,
Klefki would've never gotten as much usage without Prankster and it's stupidly defensive typing, Mawile- I'm still unsure why it's a steel type, but go off, and as for Tinkaton? I mean its cool but it is just another Fairy/Steel type, with a really random concept.
I actually love that fairy is as prominent as it is and yet Dragon is still so good
The bug-fairy relationship will ALWAYS be my biggest question towards game freak balancing
And this is why we dread the inception of a Ground/Fairy as a competitive ICBM, as well as the degeneracy that is Steel/Fairy, which could never go below UU since it would break the game if it went any further.
While i think it’s a bit overtuned defensively (like why the bug resist…) i still think fairy was a good addition overall to save modern gens from banded outrages and specs dracos
The Toxapex being named Wallington is hilarious
As a dragon-type fan, it made me really sad that Outrage became such a bad move because of the introduction of fairy types. Special attacking dragons still had draco meteor, so it hurt physical attacking dragons the worst, and we didn't get a good move to replace it. One of the reasons I love Glaive Rush.
I feel like GF tried to balance Fairies by giving most of them pretty low stats. Of course, this didn't work because legendary Fairies have the same BST as other legends, so they ended up dominating OU anyways.
Fairy finally said enough to dragon spam
Dragons got what they deserved
If, Psychic got hit hard by 2 types, Dragon had this coming after Gen 5
Naganadel: “Are you sure about that?”
Your narration keeps improving in these essay style videos, keep up the good work :)
Well for the most part Fairy type Pokemon also share a defense stat dump stat much like most psychic types.
Dude, your explanation videos are great. Very informative, well thought out and narrated. I know it's harder work, but good job
Hearing Joey pronounce garganacl's name normally caught me super off guard 😂
I do wish they had done a little more to check fairy type when it was released, like making bug hit it super effectively or something.
Everyone talking about Dragons and Bugs taking a hit but my bois Fighting type were hit the hardest
Great vid. I think you could’ve emphasized moonblast more. It’s possibly the best stab move in the game in singles
It honestly yeah does feel like Moonblast hits harder than something like flamethrower even though both have the same BP of 90
not to mention the huge 30% chance to cause a spA drop. Moonblast is actually on 95 power so it's even stronger than icebeam/flamethrower
People who say dragons werent OP due to their type but for their stats/movepool/abilities/etc need to realize they're just admitting EVERYTHING about dragons was OP and their typing just happened to be moderate part of it. Fairy got so strong by just no selling the strongest type in the yard. Dragons desperately needed the nerf.
I still wonder to this day why crescelia and milotic were not considered for the fairy typing.
Made it effective against dragons, now it’s the new dragon type
"Magearna and the Tapus" would be an ecvellent mon theme cover band. With such hits as, "I'm not gunna Raichu a love song"
this video is fantastic, so informative yet paced so quickly
You know your type is overtuned when your decently strong, common, special attacking STAB option is slightly shy of 100 BP, has a max 24 PP, has a 30% chance to drop Sp. Atk, and isn't even resisted by anything. Like what's the justification in that design? Could've easily made it another Ice Beam, but I guess they thought Moonblast really needed to be that cracked.
Fairy's resistance to Bug is also weird to me, feels like they only did that as a "fuck you" to U-turn instead of just making that move base 65 or whatever. Turn that Bug resistance into a weakness / neutrality and I think that makes things a bit fairer
The concept of the sound type has never made sense to me.
Bruh not the Ursaluna being named fucking "Coca!ne Bear" lmao
9:27
Who would believe such a pink, cutesy type would be our new type overlords
Then again, things like Nymphs, Dullahans (the headless rider) and Trolls counts as fairies, so maybe it wasnt that surprising🤔
Honestly literally no reason for fairy to be dragon immune, resist would have done the job fine. Dragon offensively was balanced around neutral damage, adding more powerful new steel types and then absolutely flooding out fairy types wouldnt have been that insane without immunity to the best neutral coverage type in previous gens. Also yeh literally remove steel resists, add them to fairy, Steel 2 + super effective coverage on 3 of the most powerful and common typing or secondary types. Gamefreak have 0 foresight for game balance.
>Dragon Types are too overbearing
>Introduce Fairy type to fix that
>Fairy replaces Dragon as the overbearing type
>Still somehow led to a healthier metagame overall
How did they do this
Paradox that's how.
Because dragon moves are only resisted by steel types and most dragon mons learn fire fighting ground moves too bt on the other hand fairy moves are resisted by steel poison and fire and if u want to create a balanced team then u have to keep at least 1 steel mon and fire mons are pretty common too and not to mention theirs no ability to trap fire poison type and one last thing the most used fairy moves are draining kiss and moonblast which are weaker compared to outrage draco meteor
Cause Pokémon that are dragon type have like a BST of at least 600 lol. Whenever there’s a Dragon that is released with less, it’s usually an afterthought.
Personally I think it's because people sleep on how good Fire is and what a big mistake it is to let them in easily. Fire actually has 5 other resistances and half their switch-ins fear burn by definition.
More viability for Fire creates a metagame with more manageable threats with more specific answers.
Whereas a metagame where Dragons alone were what you feared coming in created a lot of untenable situations because every Dragon carried Earthquake, Fire Blast, or some other common coverage to blank Steels.
That and making Poison and Steel moves actually get used as coverage.
It was interesting to see in Gen 6 that with the exception of the box legend and megas, fairies were fairly slow and many of them had average stats as if they knew the type would compensate. It made me think they were playing it safe to see if it would be too strong, but I thought game freak wouldn't be able to resist the selling hype of faster, stronger fairies. The gen after didn't let me down, that's for sure and neither did the rest.
Fairies make my stomach turn.
It was always weird to me that fairy type and grass type dont have any interaction. Grass type could resist fairy.
Fairy just took over what dragon used to be. It’s the new “mythical “ typing that beats dragons. We still got awesome dragons but many can get mollywhooped by a angry wigglytuff cause why not suddenly
Fairies are a bit much. They should've made that resistance to bug a weakness instead. Would've balanced it out a bit more
Brilliant video! Very insightful!
More videos like this please 👌🏾🔥
As per usual great video I wonder when we’ll get a new type if Ever 🤔
I’d like to see (in addition to the obvious sound) a cosmic/spiritual type soo many aliens Pokémon are ‘psychic’ when they are other worldly and should be cosmic types or dual cosmic types.
When Fairy types were introduced, I knew right away that Fighting-type Pokemons hates Fairy types because they're kinda like Psychic-types for them
>dragon is only resisted by steel
>make fairies immune to dragon moves
>fighting hits 5 types super effectively
>make fairies resist fighting moves
>steel lost its dark resistance
>make fairies resist dark moves
>fuck bugs
>make fairies resist bug moves
It's kinda funny that the two strongest types now are Fairy and Steel. Magic and Technology. Magical Girl and Mecha.
Since this is a video about typing I want to bounce a theory off some of you people.
Would ice typing be fixed defensively if it gained an immunity to water?
Arguments for it:
I'm pretty sure type balances are logic based and that the defending type has more of said element than the attacker. So putting water on an enormous amount of ice would just result in it freezing, which is why ice being immune to water wouldn't be that out of the question. With the only exceptions being Scald, Steam Eruption and the Volcanion move, which could be neutral, or even super-effective, like freeze-dry acts for example.
Would love to get some input from you guys! I'd make it into a video but I'm not exactly a content creator lol
I think fairy needs another weakness, poison and steel isn't enough
Imo ghost type should’ve been super effective against fairy type
I hate how it resists Bug.
I feel like this video is just a compilation of Magearna being OP and getting banned
Alright now we need you to pitch some potential types
I think there are 6 main reasons why the fairy type "feels" op
1)it's weaknesses are more physically defensive types and most fairies are strong special attackers(eg magearna zacian and azumarill are exceptions)
2)the types fairy is weak against fairy has coverage to deal with it most fairies have a fire/psychic move
3) moonblast is an extremely spammable move and I think needs a massive nerf 95 base power 100% accuracy with a 30 % chance to lower spa?yea sounds op
4)most broken types like dragon and psychic have immunities but fairy doesn't
5)fairy types usually get broken moves and abilities aside from their good typing(zacian magearna azumarill the tapus the list goes on)
6) literally 90% of fairies get recovery which I don't think needs to be mentioned is a REALLY good trait to have
In my opinion the strongest types are
1)steel
2)ghost
3)fairy
But according to BROKENNESS I would say
1)ghost(yes even with an immunity)
2)fairy
3)water
How I would nerf the fairy type:-
1)make something IMMUNE to it(not resist that does not solve the issue)
2)add more offensive steel/poison types and maybe add a weakness
3)nerf the move moonblast seriously it gets way too much value at least make it like 90 bp or 95% accurate
the fact that fairy is only 2 agaisnt the 2 weakest offensive types at the time rl makes it hard to counter if they added 1 more common weakness they wouldnt be so overbearing
honestly ice and rock type should resist Fairy Type attacks
give a boost to run more Ice-type pokemon since they are underpowerd compared to ice type attacks as coverage
@@voidcommando7574 I think an immunity would be better than two resists
I wanted Joey to calmly say: Letting Magearna get off the goob nut 😂
bug's final nail in the coffin
I hope to God the Sound type never becomes a real type. I'm so tired of hearing about it. It's so unnecessary and we just don't need it.
Nah we need it to counter fairy type ahh
@@pokeaimMDthat will just cause another type to become the dominant one. You make a type that beat Fairy and Steel, Dragon get a lot stronger, and then what? Another dragon nerf? If you begin playing that game the only result is that we will need to relearn the chart every generation.
@@noukan42 it doesn't have to be dominant if it has enough weaknesses and there is nothing wrong with relearning the type chart, we've done it several times already
Fairies have a history of being very good in LC. Swirlix is a top 5 LC mon ever abd usually gets banned, and Cutiefly is also good and QD spams its way to being banned.
Probably because of their ability to resist Mienfoo’s High Jump Kicks, but unlike Bug, Ghost, and Poison, lack common weaknesses.
@@numberstheidiot Resisting mienfoo's hjk is very helpful, however these Pokémon only end up being legal in early eras of the metagame where mienfoo isn't as good because besides Sneasel, Mienfoo struggles against a lot of the classic broken LC Pokémon.
Now they need to buff Bug and Ice types
My favorite Fairy type Pokemon (no legends/mythicals): Gardevoir, Grimmsnarl, Tinkaton, Magearna, Galarian Weezing, and Alcremie
dont worry. Been subbed for a minute. we are getting close. lets go!
I like fairies, but they need to tweak them a little. My idea was to maybe:
1.) remove their Bug resistance and give Bugs fairy resist instead (as they currently only have ground and grass with far less offensive success).
2.) nerf moonblast to either 80-85 power or remove the Spa drop.
Moonblast has no business being stronger and having a higher secondary effect chance than Tbolt/Flamethrower/Psychic when it has no immunities. Nothing's immune to ice beam either, but at least ice is held back by being a bad defensive type unlike fairy.
I feel like reducing the spec attack drop from 30 to 10% is fine for moonblast. I agree with the bug resist tho, completely unnecessary and makes bug types even crappier than they already are
i really think they made a mistake with moonblast also, its one of the best moves in the game if you ask me right up there with earthquake, and dragon dance
still incredibly criminal that play rough is 90 pwr 90 acc and moonblast is 95 pwr 100 acc
0:52 No, I'm pretty sure fire is actually strong against fairy! otherwise Dachsbun's ability wouldn't exist!
Also im pretty sure when Ive used fire against fairy types it has been super effective!
? The weak against means they resist
Also no, fire is not supereffective against the fairy type. Maybe you were attacking a fairy steel like klefki
@@pokeaimMD I'm pretty sure when i attacked poppys fairy tera type tinkaton that it was super effective...
but maybe you're right
and btw i know that with weak against it means they resist
Using Xenon footage is just greatness recognizing greatness
well I'm the one editing Joey's discussion videos and it makes it easier that way using some of my old battles, hahaha thanks for watching
Sound type
Effective against
Fairy, water, steel (sound travels faster through water and steel, fairy for balance)
Resisted by normal, psychic, bug, sound (sound waves cancel out, telepathic pokemon, psychics, do not need to hear, others are mostly for balance)
Added effect: always pierces substitute
Throat chop becomes a fighting move effective against sound
Tons of notable mons including kricketune, whismur line, chatot, Jigglypuff, audino, Pyroar, meloetta, etc.
Fairy is a good type but I still think they should have a weaknesa to Fire. That will balance it out a bit more. And it fits the theme of places fairies live like Forests burning from Fire.
I mentioned in a comment that I'd like Fairy to be strong and weak against Ghost, so Ghost can differentiate itself from Dark. Keep Fire's resistance to Fairy though.
@@nunyabiznes33ikr ghost and fairies are kind of aimilar in concept. And we never had 2 unique types beign super effective against each other
Best thing about Fairies is that it made Steel and Poison much more offensively viable. Seriously I mostly play Gen 3 now so the absence of Fary types is really felt here
One additional thing for your video is that sableye was untouchable due to being a dark/ghost type Pokémon which resisted against both psychic and fighting type Pokémon. But with the addition of fairy type Pokémon, sableye was no longer completely untouchable though since sableye can learn metal claw, the cave dweller can strike back at fairy type Pokémon.
I’ll never be convinced that the dragon type itself was the problem. The demons in gen 5 ou would have been just as terrifying if they were all bug
I believe Joey has said the same thing in a video. It's not that dragon-type was too strong, it's that they created too many good dragon types (and then gave them all draco meteor)
They are powerful, but it's probably in part the dragon type, as it hit like everything for neutral damage, and was resisted by only one type
Absolutely. Imagine if Heracross got Dragon Dance (Bug Dance?) or if every special attacking bug was built like Volcarona.
i like using fairy type because they look kinda weak but actually quite powerful
I find it interesting that Fairy is currently the only type that hasn’t been with Fire or Ground yet. I can see why Fairy hasn’t been with Ground yet though.
Unpopular opinion: Dragon as a type in generation V wasn't overpowered. Semi-legendary with 600 BST, Outrage made to 120 BP, the wide access to Draco Meteor and Dragon Dance made them overpowered.
Imagine if all Dark-type Pokémon has access to all the same tool like Devastation (Outrage), Night Crash (Draco Meteor), and Quick Scheme (Dragon Dance). It will lead the metagame to the rise of Fairy-type and even perhaps Bug-type to face the problem, while Psychic, Ghost, Dragon and even perhaps Grass type are going to be way less used.
The thing is, they can't rein in their desire to make more Dragon pseudo-Legendaries, so something else had to be done.
@@wind64a39 Introducing *Stealth Ice*
Dragon/Flying and Dragon/Ground types being like: _"Guess it is Heavy Duty Boots time..."_
To be fair, I believe Stealth Rock was created to have hazard punishing Flying type Pokémon, as they ignored the other ones. The move could have been: _Deals X% damage, doubled if Flying-type or have Levitation._ But instead chose type effectiveness. So they could have chosen between Rock, Electric or Ice. Since Ground type Pokémon are immune, they could only pick between Rock and Ice. I wonder how the metagame would have evolved if it was Ice-type. For example, the newly Fairy type could only have a Dragon resistance due to Dragon-type being manageable already, and the Fairy type would perhaps have a Fire resistance since the new meta would have put Fire Pokémon instead of Ground Pokémon to deal with Steel.
Meanwhile, Tropius, Torterra, Gliscore or Alolan Exeggutor: _"We are doomed!"_
You can always trigger a singles player without fail simply by saying:”clefable is worse than clefairy”
I love Fairy so much! It's my favorite type so much.
My favourite Fairy Type is Skeledirge!
Bug should’ve been supereffective against fairy smh my little bug guys got robbed
Or even better ghost type should’ve been super effective against fairy type
My favorites fairy type Pokemon are togekiss mimikyu hatterene primamaria and iron vallant
Fairy still lacks a lot too… most notably is move variety
Moonblast, Play rough, Dazzling Gleam, and sometimes Draining Kiss
Physical options are extremely limited to the sometimes inaccurate Play Rough or the rare Spirit Break
Moonblast on the other hand is arguably broken with more power than Psychic and a higher chance to inflict its secondary effect
Fairy also still lacks useful Status moves outside of Geomancy, as well as no priority attacks
Can't wait for the type that beats Fairy, Ghost, and Dark.
Something like the Mythical type?
Hey, dark is already weak to fairy , fighting and u-turn.
@@EggscellentTree Kingambit, Urshifu, Chien Pao, Chi Yu
@@xy394 i dont think being dark type is the primary reason they are busted.
I just hope that in the future there'll be another type that'll counter fairy types, maybe add a new type
Fairies are so broken while Bug and Ice and shafted most of the times. I can't stand that, they need to buff those two types at least
so many normal types turned fairy but Chansey was left as is for some reason
also most of myhicals would be fairy if the type existed, but they decided to not change them
Fairy is way too OP for it's own god imo. One thing people don't seem to realize is Dragons were MEANT to be powerful and overbearing. Three stage evolution, slow XP gain but worth it. You got a powerhouse in the end for your hard work. Gen 6 rolls and it becomes completely unusuable due to the fact Fairy completely resists Dragon. Then GF's dumbass decides to create a Fairy/Dragon type in the form of mega Altaria which was not only hypocritical but a huge slap in the face to dragon users. Haven't played Pokemon since ORAS and haven't looked back.
I always felt that Psychic should resist Fairy (instead of fire) and bug also resist it the same way fighting and bug resist each other. Also i wonder how it would be if instead of inmunity to dragon, fairy only resisted it 🤔
The type chart for fairies is so unbalanced. Crazy how physical fairy types need play rough / spirit break. There's like no good fairy moves
And conversely moonblast is the best move ever, I think bulletproof should negate it like focus blast
2:36 wait a minute who are you
that scene i took from a battle on my channel i had a long time ago, if that is what you are wondering?
I love Fairy-types in competitive. Lower tiers were pretty clearly starved for Fairies in ORAS, seeing as RU slurped up decidedly mid Pokemon like Togetic and Granbull, but Florges, Sylveon, and Gardevoir put good showings in UU. Mega Audino was both the mega and the fairy type of NU. Clefairy, Mr Mime, and Mawile were and are ORAS PU titans. Even little Carbink has a solid niche in ORAS ZU, alongside Wigglytuff, although their placements might change with the departure of Purugly. It’s pretty clear to see in the proportion of new Pokemon that Fairies were a big focus for gens 6-8, as you have a lot of new fairy types added in those gens to make up for it being a new type. That’s why I think there was less of a scramble for fairy types in the lower tiers of gen 7, as the scarcity and novelty were reduced a bit.
mega mawile got banned from oras ou
I wish they attempted to balance the types at least a little bit, make ice resist fairy and bug hit fairy super effectively.