If you like John Wetton check out the album Danger Money by a band called UK. John is at his peak. It contains bass, drums and keys with no 6 string guitars.
"Every night I fought a battle against the rhythm section of Bill and John, and every night I was defeated" R. Fripp from the amazing "Great Deceiver Live 73-74" boxed set's liner notes
@KitCatStudio I found something online a few years back that Bruford wrote for a Doctor's thesis strictly dealing with rhythm, if you will. I don't know if he was going to school or he just submitted the doctorate but it's out there somewhere. I read the first couple pages and it was so much to digest I put it back down and I'll have to find another copy of it
King Crimson have had a lot of amazing incarnations in their long history, some of them are legendary especially the first one but for me the lineup of Fripp, Wetton, Bruford and Cross was unmatched, they not only made some of the most epic music ever but had such a monster sound as a four piece. Absolutely loved this era RIP JW
They're a great line up and all but it felt rather incomplete once Muir left. Him and Cross were like a percussive and melodic layering around seventies prog trio. Once it was just Cross his contributions just felt a bit more distant and overshadowed.
@@nothingbutsoy i've always felt that Cross's violin playing was a huge part of the sound on the albums but listening to live recordings of the band, not all of them but certain ones i can barely hear him, i would say USA was the best where he was completely showcased. I did miss Muir in the band as he gave Crimson an avant garde feel to the music.
@@MarceloKatayama that's true, you're right and Eddie Jobson was brought in to add violin, keyboard and mellotron overdubs to the David Cross parts to give USA a much more clearer sound
David Cross’s contributions are so often overlooked, but in King Crimson his playing is like having exactly the right amount of salt in a dish: easy to take for granted and not obvious but crucial to how it tastes
I understand Bill's favorite King Crimson era was the 80s, but man, this is just gold. This intensity was seldom achieved by any band, from any period.
@@apothecurio Eunuchs as well!! They did an amazing cover of black midi’s Lumps and The Castration of Gods def has some Mr. Bungle sound to it. Edit: forgot to add that It’s also just an awesome record. It’s really a great experience
@@KP-wi6in I believe Bryan Mack is referring to Bill's comment above (just below the video) describing his problem with dynamics on this tune. As I was listening I was thinking the same thing, "Gosh Bill, that was a tad loud during this still quiet part". A minor complaint by me though. I love Bills playing on this.
What an amazing performance. Locked together with all of the syncopated time elements. Bill’s like a kid in a candy store working out his sugar buzz. Such a joy to watch.
In this era of Crimson, in the most exciting passages it sounds like the guitar and drums have swapped roles, with the guitar doing a hypnotic pattern and the percussion telling a story.
I've always loved the aggressiveness of the second part of this piece. And Larks' Tongues | Starless | Red is my favourite incarnation of King Crimson.
That's why King Crimson is my favorite prog rock band probably. Robert Fripp knew how to blend Romantic-era inspired orchestral soundscapes with a loud electrified aggression that almost drove it into metal territory on this incarnation.
@@stefanstrittmatter6459 Oh yes! You're right. Cross on Mellotron... 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️😆 But just on the intro. After that, it's all them three who are 100% responsible for the sound of this song.
@@Almamater25 Cross is also playing Hohner Pianet - you can hear it on the very last bit giving a high harmony to Fripp's guitar riff. And I suspect that he's doubling either Fripp or Wetton most of the time, to give their parts more clarity.
Well...I Guess Emerson Lake & Palmer & Yes Were Chopped Liver...I Don't Think There's Ever Just 1 Best Band Ever...Greg Lake Was Formerly In This Band...Bill Bruford Was In Yes.. .
@@ELPCOTILLION-SD1970 I love Yes, but Bruford left them at their best after Close to the Edge to play with a more experimental and risky musical proposal. To play with Jaime Muir on percussion and Fripp of course in his own words. Lake was a founding member of Crimson, and left in my opinion to a more company produced ELP. Great tecnically, but not so profound, artistic and original to my point of view as Crimson.
Love the commentary Bill, getting it from the faucet is a thrill. This song reminds me of the Discipline team in many ways. Love John Yelling at the top of his lungs and getting aggressive with his bass. Pure Entertainment! Thanks for your attention to the RUclips channel and we hope to keep your attention as well.
Me too, remember buying Starless And Bible Black 1974 on release, best line up of KC for sure, met John and still corresponding with David Cross through his wife who is also his manager, check out his album with Dialeto playing Bartok and Crimson classics 😊
@josephnaja man I'm only 32 but feel ancient in the type of music I listen to and just the way i am, ive always felt way older than i should.. the kids today truly have listened to crap for so long and I always listened back in time growing up... everything forward in time was worse for me growing up... TOOL might be the only modern band that I really love... king crimson was always something I had on while everyone else was listening to pop or rap crap or whatever... its hard to find similar taste but I always find it with people between 40 -80
King Crimson plays a major role in who I am today. From the first album with Giles, to the solo pursuits. Even those Fripp and Toyah videos enrich my life. Thank you.
I saw this incarnation of KC four times and it was - and still is - my favorite band, regardless of genre. As for Bill's comments about dynamics, it wasn't like the whole band was lingering in mezzo-forte to mezzo-piano range while he was playing inaudibly behind them or overpowering them. This version of KC tended to be really quiet or really loud, often moving from one to another very quickly. The notable exception was the first section of the instrumental break in Starless, where they slowly got louder over four "verses" of the song. Also, from my experience seeing them, no matter how loud anyone else got, Fripp was louder.
1:58 there is absolutely no denying the sound of Bill Bruford's snare! That's the sound all over all the early Yes albums.... good luck trying to drum along and tap your fingers in time with his snare though!
this period is so magical for me. I listen to those live shows from Larks/Starless/Road to Red over and over without ever getting bored with it. Gimme that wall I'll climb it x
My favorite version of KC. "Asbury Park" from the USA album is my favorite song of all time. John Wetton was amazing. They all are/were. RIP John. Love the Boston Bruins logo that Bill is wearing! I'm from Boston and loved the Bruins.
This version of King Crimson was the greatest live musicians of all time, the greatest improvisers Best bass player, best drummer and by far the greatest guitarist/composer and musical genius of his time! They blow everyone away!
a musician would say there are many great musicians. some people listen to music, and narrow favorites to one and done. something keith emerson might have said, once upon a time.
I am glad, I got to see and hear, this version of King Crimson, back in 1974, when I was 16. An amazing performance. The strawbs opened, then KC, then ten years after. K Crimson, was the best band out of the 3, though the whole concert was good. They played lament that night.
Loved this song!! This whole album was just such a great time in history. These types of bands like Crimson and Genesis back then were so good. Incredible artists.
LOVE the overalls, Bill. I'll never forget having met you in the early '90s at a Percussive Arts Society convention in Ohio. You autographed a drum head for me 🙂 I treasure it to this day.
@@Eleventhearlofmars To be fair to Bill, dungarees where in at the time. I even briefly toyed with the idea of purchasing a set, but settled for a white overall jumpsuit a la Steve Hillage ! :-)
Starless and Bible black and red are the two greatest prog albums made back to back that I've ever heard by a band . A lot of people would probably say relayer and going for the one. but there's a lot of time in between those two albums. Yes had a long time to prepare going for the one. though in 75 and 76 the members of Yes each put out their solo albums. But I just naturally gravitated to King Crimson over yes once I found them. I could never really get into yes in the 80s except for drama and naturally I gravitated towards the King Crimson thing again of the early 80s. They were phenomenal in my life. Discipline the beat three of a perfect are just excellent albums.
¿Fripp consideraba ésta como la mejor formación de K C? Lo dudo, no porque lo fuera o no, sino porque no me imagino a Fripp con una definición tan tajante. Al respecto, podría decir, que Wetton fue la mejor voz de la banda, sin desmerecer a otros como Lake y Belew
He never said it... He has said that he has a soft spot for the first lineup and then the one from the 80s. I like the 72-74 the most, but I can understand the view that the 69 and 81-84 bands were really ahead of their time.
maybe one of my favorite endings to a song ever. When I first heard the studio version, I thought it was editing, then I watch the live performances and nope it's very much part of the piece. Amazing!
Bill: Interesting comment. Perhaps one can hear in this time period the extreme dynamics of either 'ppp' or 'fff' in your playing; but I think by the time King Crimson came back with Discipline in '81 you were exploring the moderate levels with a percussive excitement. It may be due to the use of the African slit drum. That earthy instrument touched something inside you that opened up a more mature, almost spiritual side in you of playing rhythms. Maybe, far more than metals or modern mylar heads can do. I'm a big believer of drummers touching the more cultural earthiness of instruments from Africa, India, Asia and Latin America because of that connection to the origins of rhythm. That said, Josef Zawinul once told Peter Erskine that musical maturity ( what to play/what not to play, dynamics and voicings) opens up profoundly when one has children. So, is it a bit down these avenues that aided to an evolution of mature listening?
I'm so thankful you're sharing your own thoughts on the music you've played over your long and wonderful career. Even though you're critical of your performance here, what really stands out to me is just how much fun you look like you're having. Playing in a band at that level, 1974, it must be hard to describe
Legendary stuff. Arguably proof that a 4 man Crim can be enough (same as the 80s and 2000s lineups). In purely commercial terms I recall Crim biographer Sid Smith stating that Wetton was of the view that 70s Crim could have gone on to be as big as Pink Floyd by the end of the decade. Had they stayed together. Interesting to consider what might have been even if Crim had persisted as hinted by Smith as being Bruford/Wetton/McDonald or Bruford/Wetton/Fripp/Jobson etc...
Even though King Crimson is not as popular as Pink Floyd, I perfer Crimson. And I think King Crimson's sound of 80~00' was enoughly and heavily great as much as 60~70's.
@@주훈김-k1h I think they are such vastly different bands that they could have had equal success without any direct comparison. For me, anything with tricky time signatures during the 70's was always 'lost on the masses'. ELP, KC, Return to Forever-land, et al never got the cred they deserved.
Sounds like live USA...So beautiful to see Wetton so young and vibrant...Bob Fripp looks great too...It looks like a happy time...I love larks tongues in Aspic...Such a great album...I stole a lot of your chops from this album...Especially that little snare roll at 2:30...:)
Your insight in the description above is great. A lot of drummers never come to that realization about appropriate volume and only go for all the volume they can get, along with all the drums they can surround themselves with.
My favorite incarnation of the band. Love, love, love that period! And just a word about John, damn, he was playing some amazing stuff back then. I kept trying at that time to sell other bass players on him, to get them to try to play like him. Watching this, I can see why he stopped playing like that, and why he later had problems with his hands. He played HARD!
Great music over all the years. The early 80s albums are special to me, I was losing my fight against alcoholism and drug addiction and those albums just seemed to give me hope. Maybe because they seemed as weird as I was. Lol still listen today. I finally got clean and sober 5-5-1985 and that music still speaks to my head and heart. I occasionally quote from the songs and it baffles people. 😂
Amazing how succinctly the drums and the balance of the remaining instruments meld with such dynamics. One should watch it two or three times to grasp all that's emerging from the music. Powerfully controlled energy, that was in my opinion king Krimson with Mr.Bill Bruford.
Wow they killed this song one of my favorites ever.John's singing is one of rocks best Rip John great journeys thru life from your singing good & bad times for me.Thanks for the great music king Crimson & anything from Bruford & Wetton... Yeah..
Ahhh. My favorite incarnation. I first heard KC on the live USA album. It was a powerful sound and somewhat mysterious. It really turned me into a progressive rock fan. Your live material always takes it up several notches. The first UK album became one of my all-time favorite albums which then led me to your solo stuff with Holdsworth and Berlin. Thanks for a great musical lifetime!
"Каждую ночь я сражался с ритм-секцией Билла и Джона, и каждую ночь я терпел поражение", - отмечает Р. Фрипп из потрясающего бокс-сета "Great Deceiver Live 73-74".
Whatever the battle, the winner was my ears and my musical soul. That was an incredible jam I have never heard before, and I am better for it. Thank you!
Though I utterly lack the kinds of skills of these great musicians, I did play in a band for a bit, and one thing I learned is that the band's (or the individual member's) perception of how well any given performance went was often contrary to the audience's perception. But those on the outside do not experience the music the same way the musicians do. The musicians have their own relationship to their own skills and the way it is working together with the other member, and (perhaps) the vision for what they believe the music could or could be. The audience just hears the result and will as likely interpret what the musician feels is a mistake or weakness as intentional and even genius. I say all that to say that I (like many) really appreciate King Crimson, and its various members, and think it is really all just rather swell. I love this song, and the other vocal ones from this record. I walk around singing this stuff to myself all the time. Bruford. Just Wow! your fabulous.
@BillBruford I love to read your reactions you write in the notes about yourself and how you have grown. You were then and even more so now one of the top drummers in the world. And amazingly with little ego about it. I hope there is awareness and recognition to that within you. Also, nice Boston Bruins overalls :)
I love that extreme range of dynamics that can be heard in Yes and KC, and with Genesis too (your snare in "Seconds Out-Cinema Show" is something beautiful). This extreme dynamics range you mentioned was like a "Bruford signature" that put you where you are as one of the best and more personal drummers in the human history. The sound of your acoustic drumming was completely unique. Saludos dese Buenos Aires.
I carried your drum cases into the venue, when you played with U.K. at the Vouge Theatre in Indianapolis...thrill of my life what an honor. Saw you with K.C. when you were doing the Larks Tongue tour in 72-73 another thrill. I saw YES 3 times during their highest popularity. You are still my favorite drummer!!!
We are at the mercy of many factors both while performing and listening back. Each musician must contend with the moment according to his own ears. Everything from the recording equipment to such things as temperature and air pressure will impact both performance and listening back. Listening to this for the first time on a smartphone without earbuds. Who knows what dynamics will issue forth when listening with different gear? Of all the musical instruments shy of amplification, percusiion instruments are capable of the greatest dynamic range. For a percussionist to realize and harness that range is a rare thing. Even more rare are fellow musicians who recognize dynamic concerns in the first place. Greatly enjoying these posts, Bill. My first real snare drum: I took it back to the store and asked the tech to "tune it like Bill Bruford's sound on Roundabout." God bless!
I guess I tried to show you how I'd take the crowd with my guitar And businessmen would clap their hands And clip another fat cigar And publishers would spread the news And print my music far and wide All the kids who played the blues Would learn my licks with a bottleneck slide But now it seems the bubble's burst Although you know there was a time When love songs gathered in my head With poetry in every line And strong men strove to hold the doors With my friends, I passed that age People stomped on dirty floors Before I trod the rock 'n' roll stage I'll thank the man who's on the phone And if he got some time to spend The problem I'll explain once more And indicate a sum to lend That ten percent is now a joke Maybe 30, even 35 I'll say my daddy's had a stroke He'd have one now, if he only was alive I like the way you look at me You're laughing too down there inside I took my chance and you took yours You crewed my ship, we missed the tide I like the way the music goes A few good guys who can play it right I like the way it moves my toes Say it when you wanna go and dance all night
Being a drummer myself and being pretty old myself and playing for many years, your dynamic level is subject to scrutiny from all sides. I've been told I am not a very loud drummer, that I'm too loud, just right, etc.... until I realized it also depends on who it's coming from. The important thing as drummers is that we CAN play at all dynamic levels but whether those levels are acceptable is up to the opinion of someone else's ears. I've even been in situations where I am getting mixed signals from musicians in the same band; one suggesting I'm playing too loud and another suggesting not loud enough. Sometimes the same can be true with tempos. The question is who to please: the band leader perhaps? The bassist and fellow rhythm section player? the lead singer? the audience or oneself. I never heard complaints that John Bonham was too loud but then again the name Led Zepplin would not suggest playing at a whisper (yet I can recall quiet passages even as I reflect and think at the moment on some quiet Zeplin sections). Food for thought. being AWARE of dynamics probably equally important as meter.
Watching that ending again and again and again. It blows my mind with every hard stop. From full dynamics to zero dynamics is such a clever idea and so intense,.
Great song. The ending was absolutely insane. I had to watch it several times to take it in. I have never experienced that use of extreme dynamics before. Incredible.
This song has everything, a dreamy start, heavy transitions, challenging sections, just an absolute delight. This is King Crimson's best lineup.
Trust me, I've Lamented this song sometimes
@@aakkoin is that a good thing?
@@anall3l3 Yea :D I was little drunk when I wrote that.
Haha well at least we're both enjoying this song man!
Maaaaan, how good was John Wetton!
Right! Try to sing and play the bass line on "In the Dead of Night", for example :-)
If you like John Wetton check out the album Danger Money by a band called UK. John is at his peak. It contains bass, drums and keys with no 6 string guitars.
@@barrygreenstein8383 how on earth he ended up doing Asia I"ll never understand and passed away far too early. Top bloke.
Right man?
His voice is like Greg Lake and Peter Gabriel together that's amazing
Love the way bill looks at the cymbal at the end. “Don’t you make another sound”
Ride cymbals can be a headache at times
@@DylanWhite-k5j and ride cymbals are a bitch to choke, you can slice your finger on the edge of the cymbal... maybe I should use some other words.
Yeah that’s funny. And Bill Bruford is a unique looking character, as well as a great, unique drummer.
Bill’s move from Yes to KC was crucial to Bible Black. The GOAT prog album.
just imagine, left Yes after CttE and you did a bloody trilogy after that: Larks, SaBB and Red
And then BB made another trilogy with Robert Fripp & KC in the 80's, and THRAK from 1995 is great.@@igorrodrigues97.
Bill makes every band he's ever been involved in...his abilities are irreplaceable and he's always the missing link when absent.
You could just easily see how much more fun he was having playing with KC here. Loved his work with Yes too though.
John Wetton: one of the most naturally talented bass players of all time!
with a beautiful vocal resonance, tho not yet evident here.
"Every night I fought a battle against the rhythm section of Bill and John, and every night I was defeated" R. Fripp from the amazing "Great Deceiver Live 73-74" boxed set's liner notes
😄
Hilarious
Also Fripp, from the same liner notes: "Bruford/Wetton.... were amazing, busy, exciting, mobile, agile, inventive, and terrible to play over" (p. 3).
Best live album ever.
@@jdmresearch He could never ever get better rhythm section - and he knew it
Bruford is still one of my favourite drummers always true to his own style making music interesting and fresh. Truly one of a kind.
I see what you did there.
@@fml4542 yes
@KitCatStudio I found something online a few years back that Bruford wrote for a Doctor's thesis strictly dealing with rhythm, if you will. I don't know if he was going to school or he just submitted the doctorate but it's out there somewhere. I read the first couple pages and it was so much to digest I put it back down and I'll have to find another copy of it
@@feduppelin4 It's dealing with performance of music, not just some rhythm
John Bonham was quite good, but overrated, in my humble opinion. And Bill Bruford has been greatly underrated, I believe.
King Crimson have had a lot of amazing incarnations in their long history, some of them are legendary especially the first one but for me the lineup of Fripp, Wetton, Bruford and Cross was unmatched, they not only made some of the most epic music ever but had such a monster sound as a four piece. Absolutely loved this era
RIP JW
They're a great line up and all but it felt rather incomplete once Muir left. Him and Cross were like a percussive and melodic layering around seventies prog trio. Once it was just Cross his contributions just felt a bit more distant and overshadowed.
@@nothingbutsoy i've always felt that Cross's violin playing was a huge part of the sound on the albums but listening to live recordings of the band, not all of them but certain ones i can barely hear him, i would say USA was the best where he was completely showcased. I did miss Muir in the band as he gave Crimson an avant garde feel to the music.
@@WarhawkBeyond2040 The sad thing is that a few of the violin tracks for USA were rendered unusable, so they had someone else overdub Cross's tracks
@@MarceloKatayama that's true, you're right and Eddie Jobson was brought in to add violin, keyboard and mellotron overdubs to the David Cross parts to give USA a much more clearer sound
Totalmente de acuerdo.
The abrupt ending still gets me every time
same
Just when it started to get really good.
That was the first time I’ve ever heard that I had to rewind, how did they do that.
@@worldboatskiff8709 i’m pretty sure that’s how they do it on the album, so it’s already written. bruford looks like he’s ready to take off tho!
That was beyond quiet ...impossible.
David Cross’s contributions are so often overlooked, but in King Crimson his playing is like having exactly the right amount of salt in a dish: easy to take for granted and not obvious but crucial to how it tastes
I understand Bill's favorite King Crimson era was the 80s, but man, this is just gold. This intensity was seldom achieved by any band, from any period.
I believe deep inside he knows this was his best
Esta fue la mejor época. No la de los 80.
Definitely Check Black Midi. They're part of the next wave bands following Frank Zappa, Crimson, Bungle. Etc..
@@fernandomartinheras5025 También eso creo, pero BB dice que los 80s. En fin, esta es la banda que me hizo querer ser músico.
@@apothecurio Eunuchs as well!! They did an amazing cover of black midi’s Lumps and The Castration of Gods def has some Mr. Bungle sound to it.
Edit: forgot to add that It’s also just an awesome record. It’s really a great experience
I love Bill's drum sound and his playing is so crisp and articulate!
@@bryanmack7463 what do you mean?
@@KP-wi6in I believe Bryan Mack is referring to Bill's comment above (just below the video) describing his problem with dynamics on this tune. As I was listening I was thinking the same thing, "Gosh Bill, that was a tad loud during this still quiet part". A minor complaint by me though. I love Bills playing on this.
What an amazing performance. Locked together with all of the syncopated time elements.
Bill’s like a kid in a candy store working out his sugar buzz. Such a joy to watch.
Dynamics be damned, the crushingly loud bits in this make it pop better than it does on the record.
Bill has one of the cleanest techniques of any drummer out there. So smooth & effortless!
In this era of Crimson, in the most exciting passages it sounds like the guitar and drums have swapped roles, with the guitar doing a hypnotic pattern and the percussion telling a story.
Legendary Men! Wetton voice and Brufford percussion are the other dimension! Don't forget Fripp...tks!!!
I've always loved the aggressiveness of the second part of this piece. And Larks' Tongues | Starless | Red is my favourite incarnation of King Crimson.
That's why King Crimson is my favorite prog rock band probably. Robert Fripp knew how to blend Romantic-era inspired orchestral soundscapes with a loud electrified aggression that almost drove it into metal territory on this incarnation.
My God... Best progressive rock band ever, by far. And just unbelievable that there are only three playing here.
three?
@@stefanstrittmatter6459 Oh yes! You're right. Cross on Mellotron... 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️😆 But just on the intro. After that, it's all them three who are 100% responsible for the sound of this song.
@@Almamater25 Cross is also playing Hohner Pianet - you can hear it on the very last bit giving a high harmony to Fripp's guitar riff. And I suspect that he's doubling either Fripp or Wetton most of the time, to give their parts more clarity.
Well...I Guess Emerson Lake & Palmer & Yes Were Chopped Liver...I Don't Think There's Ever Just 1 Best Band Ever...Greg Lake Was Formerly In This Band...Bill Bruford Was In Yes.. .
@@ELPCOTILLION-SD1970 I love Yes, but Bruford left them at their best after Close to the Edge to play with a more experimental and risky musical proposal. To play with Jaime Muir on percussion and Fripp of course in his own words. Lake was a founding member of Crimson, and left in my opinion to a more company produced ELP. Great tecnically, but not so profound, artistic and original to my point of view as Crimson.
Love the commentary Bill, getting it from the faucet is a thrill. This song reminds me of the Discipline team in many ways. Love John Yelling at the top of his lungs and getting aggressive with his bass. Pure Entertainment! Thanks for your attention to the RUclips channel and we hope to keep your attention as well.
ありがとうございます。良いものを観れました。聴いていて楽しい。見ていて楽しい。
This period of the band was such Unique....With the great late John Wetton RIP.
Roadroller rhythm section with the master Bruford
thanks for this. you and Wetton were one hell of a rhythm section, one of the best - if not the best. thank you thank you thank you
THE best .. listen here: ruclips.net/video/CGBxIcoZAS0/видео.html
They are most excellent, but Peart & Lee are the ultimate rhythm partnership.
I'm old enough to remember when this was new. Love it still.
I'm 66 years old and this was the music that we listened to in high school, real music not this crap today! 🌴🌴
Me too, remember buying Starless And Bible Black 1974 on release, best line up of KC for sure, met John and still corresponding with David Cross through his wife who is also his manager, check out his album with Dialeto playing Bartok and Crimson classics 😊
@josephnaja man I'm only 32 but feel ancient in the type of music I listen to and just the way i am, ive always felt way older than i should.. the kids today truly have listened to crap for so long and I always listened back in time growing up... everything forward in time was worse for me growing up... TOOL might be the only modern band that I really love... king crimson was always something I had on while everyone else was listening to pop or rap crap or whatever... its hard to find similar taste but I always find it with people between 40 -80
King Crimson plays a major role in who I am today.
From the first album with Giles, to the solo pursuits. Even those Fripp and Toyah videos enrich my life.
Thank you.
This was a treat. Only thing missing was a camera on David Cross. Larks and Starless are 2 of my favorite Crimson albums.
Cross is there. He's just not playing violin, he's playing the mellotron.
Ha, same! My 2 fav KC albums as well! :-)
Best line up ever! and I’m not talking only about the KC long story, but in art rock history (not calling it prog rock ) thanks maestro bill!
Why not call it prog rock? Because art rock is more broadened?
@@antonioscalcione7921 That's What I Suspect
I saw this incarnation of KC four times and it was - and still is - my favorite band, regardless of genre. As for Bill's comments about dynamics, it wasn't like the whole band was lingering in mezzo-forte to mezzo-piano range while he was playing inaudibly behind them or overpowering them. This version of KC tended to be really quiet or really loud, often moving from one to another very quickly. The notable exception was the first section of the instrumental break in Starless, where they slowly got louder over four "verses" of the song. Also, from my experience seeing them, no matter how loud anyone else got, Fripp was louder.
1:58 there is absolutely no denying the sound of Bill Bruford's snare! That's the sound all over all the early Yes albums.... good luck trying to drum along and tap your fingers in time with his snare though!
This is just music at its best by brilliant musicians. ❤❤❤❤
this period is so magical for me. I listen to those live shows from Larks/Starless/Road to Red over and over without ever getting bored with it. Gimme that wall I'll climb it x
Red is timeless to me!
My favorite version of KC. "Asbury Park" from the USA album is my favorite song of all time. John Wetton was amazing. They all are/were. RIP John. Love the Boston Bruins logo that Bill is wearing! I'm from Boston and loved the Bruins.
Asbury Park was a live improv.
The B used to be the Boston Bruins logo until Bruford made it his emblem!
This version of King Crimson was the greatest live musicians of all time, the greatest improvisers
Best bass player, best drummer and by far the greatest guitarist/composer and musical genius of his time!
They blow everyone away!
a musician would say there are many great musicians.
some people listen to music, and narrow favorites to one and done.
something keith emerson might have said, once upon a time.
The Flying brickwall!!
I am glad, I got to see and hear, this version of King Crimson, back in 1974, when I was 16. An amazing performance. The strawbs opened, then KC, then ten years after. K Crimson, was the best band out of the 3, though the whole concert was good. They played lament that night.
That's funny. The Strawbs and Ten Years After. Time will judge these bands.
John Wetton was one of the greatest lead singers and bass guitarist ot of lived! 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯👍👍👍💣💥
Fantastic! John was a monster talent, love his voice and bass playing. Great tune thanks for sharing.
If someone asks me what song best personifies King Crimson in nutshell, this one is it! LOVE this piece!
Loved this song!! This whole album was just such a great time in history. These types of bands like Crimson and Genesis back then were so good. Incredible artists.
That is bloody perfection.
To me, Bill was the original Stewart Copeland. Just a beast unlike any other drummer out there at the time. Revolutionary.
LOVE the overalls, Bill. I'll never forget having met you in the early '90s at a Percussive Arts Society convention in Ohio. You autographed a drum head for me 🙂 I treasure it to this day.
To think Bill thought white dungerees sans shirt was a cool look at the time! ;-)
With a B on them too!
Boston Bruins dungarees, Bill must of got a shitload of them around 74 because he was still wearing them on a Genesis tour in 1976 lol.
@@Eleventhearlofmars To be fair to Bill, dungarees where in at the time. I even briefly toyed with the idea of purchasing a set, but settled for a white overall jumpsuit a la Steve Hillage ! :-)
Starless and Bible black and red are the two greatest prog albums made back to back that I've ever heard by a band . A lot of people would probably say relayer and going for the one. but there's a lot of time in between those two albums. Yes had a long time to prepare going for the one. though in 75 and 76 the members of Yes each put out their solo albums. But I just naturally gravitated to King Crimson over yes once I found them. I could never really get into yes in the 80s except for drama and naturally I gravitated towards the King Crimson thing again of the early 80s. They were phenomenal in my life. Discipline the beat three of a perfect are just excellent albums.
The Absolute Best version of King Crimson. We have these odd video's and USA as a testament of just how good they were Live.
I like this track off SABB. So found this video. What a performance! Three brilliant musicians
There is a reason Fripp considers this to be Crimson's best lineup.
Does he, really?
Well, I don't know if Fripp really said that loud. Personally, the most attractive K.Crimson lineup.
¿Fripp consideraba ésta como la mejor formación de K C? Lo dudo, no porque lo fuera o no, sino porque no me imagino a Fripp con una definición tan tajante. Al respecto, podría decir, que Wetton fue la mejor voz de la banda, sin desmerecer a otros como Lake y Belew
@@frankoi7022 its the overalls.
He never said it... He has said that he has a soft spot for the first lineup and then the one from the 80s. I like the 72-74 the most, but I can understand the view that the 69 and 81-84 bands were really ahead of their time.
maybe one of my favorite endings to a song ever. When I first heard the studio version, I thought it was editing, then I watch the live performances and nope it's very much part of the piece. Amazing!
Pretty sure this is my favorite song. Been on steady rotation since the early 80's. In my head!
Bill: Interesting comment. Perhaps one can hear in this time period the extreme dynamics of either 'ppp' or 'fff' in your playing; but I think by the time King Crimson came back with Discipline in '81 you were exploring the moderate levels with a percussive excitement. It may be due to the use of the African slit drum. That earthy instrument touched something inside you that opened up a more mature, almost spiritual side in you of playing rhythms. Maybe, far more than metals or modern mylar heads can do. I'm a big believer of drummers touching the more cultural earthiness of instruments from Africa, India, Asia and Latin America because of that connection to the origins of rhythm. That said, Josef Zawinul once told Peter Erskine that musical maturity ( what to play/what not to play, dynamics and voicings) opens up profoundly when one has children. So, is it a bit down these avenues that aided to an evolution of mature listening?
I'm so thankful you're sharing your own thoughts on the music you've played over your long and wonderful career. Even though you're critical of your performance here, what really stands out to me is just how much fun you look like you're having. Playing in a band at that level, 1974, it must be hard to describe
King Crimson's best line-up!!!!
What an incredible band you guys were, my all time favourite I reckon, thankyou so much from the bottom of my heart xxx
Legendary stuff. Arguably proof that a 4 man Crim can be enough (same as the 80s and 2000s lineups). In purely commercial terms I recall Crim biographer Sid Smith stating that Wetton was of the view that 70s Crim could have gone on to be as big as Pink Floyd by the end of the decade. Had they stayed together. Interesting to consider what might have been even if Crim had persisted as hinted by Smith as being Bruford/Wetton/McDonald or Bruford/Wetton/Fripp/Jobson etc...
But Pink Floyd already had hits early on so they were well ahead of the game.
Even though King Crimson is not as popular as Pink Floyd, I perfer Crimson. And I think King Crimson's sound of 80~00' was enoughly and heavily great as much as 60~70's.
@@주훈김-k1h I think they are such vastly different bands that they could have had equal success without any direct comparison. For me, anything with tricky time signatures during the 70's was always 'lost on the masses'. ELP, KC, Return to Forever-land, et al never got the cred they deserved.
@@AGoodBuzz Genesis seemed to be the most popular of the British bands that used unusual time signatures.
@@Eleventhearlofmars Or Rush, perhaps.
hahaha. I love the dead silence at the end.
Yeah - Bruford staring at the cymbal, like "If you make one peep, I'm out of the band."
@@RussKC XD
hoooo, Bill giving that cymbal the death stare at the end there: you make one more bloody ting-ting...
Sounds like live USA...So beautiful to see Wetton so young and vibrant...Bob Fripp looks great too...It looks like a happy time...I love larks tongues in Aspic...Such a great album...I stole a lot of your chops from this album...Especially that little snare roll at 2:30...:)
Your insight in the description above is great. A lot of drummers never come to that realization about appropriate volume and only go for all the volume they can get, along with all the drums they can surround themselves with.
My favorite incarnation of the band. Love, love, love that period! And just a word about John, damn, he was playing some amazing stuff back then. I kept trying at that time to sell other bass players on him, to get them to try to play like him.
Watching this, I can see why he stopped playing like that, and why he later had problems with his hands. He played HARD!
Great performance! Boston Bruins Hockey fans should also appreciate the big B
Great music over all the years. The early 80s albums are special to me, I was losing my fight against alcoholism and drug addiction and those albums just seemed to give me hope. Maybe because they seemed as weird as I was. Lol still listen today. I finally got clean and sober 5-5-1985 and that music still speaks to my head and heart. I occasionally quote from the songs and it baffles people. 😂
Amazing how succinctly the drums and the balance of the remaining instruments meld with such dynamics. One should watch it two or three times to grasp all that's emerging from the music. Powerfully controlled energy, that was in my opinion king Krimson with Mr.Bill Bruford.
こんな映像があるとは。。やはりクリムゾンはこの時期でしょう。曲の良さ、演奏力、熱さ、どれもアメイジングです。
同意します
Wow they killed this song one of my favorites ever.John's singing is one of rocks best Rip John great journeys thru life from your singing good & bad times for me.Thanks for the great music king Crimson & anything from Bruford & Wetton... Yeah..
I like how they're not even looking at each other.
Look ma, no hands!
John Wetton's voice...what a dream
Amazing! My favorite lineup, great to hear this tune again.
My favorite KC line up. And this was definitely Bill's favorite stage outfit. :D
thank you for DARING to be a flying brick wall. It did inspire most of us to boldly go where the usual drummer wouldn't go.
Ahhh. My favorite incarnation. I first heard KC on the live USA album. It was a powerful sound and somewhat mysterious. It really turned me into a progressive rock fan. Your live material always takes it up several notches. The first UK album became one of my all-time favorite albums which then led me to your solo stuff with Holdsworth and Berlin. Thanks for a great musical lifetime!
Digging the ring on that snare bill.. loving these uploads.
"Каждую ночь я сражался с ритм-секцией Билла и Джона, и каждую ночь я терпел поражение", - отмечает Р. Фрипп из потрясающего бокс-сета "Great Deceiver Live 73-74".
Where can we find this full performance? ❤️
Whatever the battle, the winner was my ears and my musical soul. That was an incredible jam I have never heard before, and I am better for it. Thank you!
I just love the raw and natural sound of the drums. Also Bruins overalls would be hard to find these days 😃
Great!
Nothing more to say.....
King Crimson for decades has been The King and will be The King for never ending future.....
Oh so glad, I experienced this line-up in May of '73
Though I utterly lack the kinds of skills of these great musicians, I did play in a band for a bit, and one thing I learned is that the band's (or the individual member's) perception of how well any given performance went was often contrary to the audience's perception. But those on the outside do not experience the music the same way the musicians do. The musicians have their own relationship to their own skills and the way it is working together with the other member, and (perhaps) the vision for what they believe the music could or could be. The audience just hears the result and will as likely interpret what the musician feels is a mistake or weakness as intentional and even genius. I say all that to say that I (like many) really appreciate King Crimson, and its various members, and think it is really all just rather swell. I love this song, and the other vocal ones from this record. I walk around singing this stuff to myself all the time. Bruford. Just Wow! your fabulous.
Stellar all around-the rhythm section in particular. Bruford’s so gleeful in performing what would’ve been Muir’s bit in the beginning . . .
I had the great fortune of seeing this band three times!
Best era of Crimson. Best era of any band period.
@BillBruford I love to read your reactions you write in the notes about yourself and how you have grown. You were then and even more so now one of the top drummers in the world. And amazingly with little ego about it. I hope there is awareness and recognition to that within you.
Also, nice Boston Bruins overalls :)
I love that extreme range of dynamics that can be heard in Yes and KC, and with Genesis too (your snare in "Seconds Out-Cinema Show" is something beautiful). This extreme dynamics range you mentioned was like a "Bruford signature" that put you where you are as one of the best and more personal drummers in the human history. The sound of your acoustic drumming was completely unique. Saludos dese Buenos Aires.
I carried your drum cases into the venue, when you played with U.K. at the Vouge Theatre in Indianapolis...thrill of my life what an honor. Saw you with K.C. when you were doing the Larks Tongue tour in 72-73 another thrill. I saw YES 3 times during their highest popularity. You are still my favorite drummer!!!
Great voice and bass of Mr Wetton, I love King Crimson!!!
We are at the mercy of many factors both while performing and listening back. Each musician must contend with the moment according to his own ears. Everything from the recording equipment to such things as temperature and air pressure will impact both performance and listening back. Listening to this for the first time on a smartphone without earbuds. Who knows what dynamics will issue forth when listening with different gear?
Of all the musical instruments shy of amplification, percusiion instruments are capable of the greatest dynamic range. For a percussionist to realize and harness that range is a rare thing. Even more rare are fellow musicians who recognize dynamic concerns in the first place.
Greatly enjoying these posts, Bill. My first real snare drum: I took it back to the store and asked the tech to "tune it like Bill Bruford's sound on Roundabout."
God bless!
Contigo Yes llegó a la cima y contigo está etapa de KC fue fenomenal.
Such a unique and signature sound. Only Fripp sounds like Fripp.
With all said and done, one should not forget
Richard Palmer James with magical lyrics
I guess I tried to show you how
I'd take the crowd with my guitar
And businessmen would clap their hands
And clip another fat cigar
And publishers would spread the news
And print my music far and wide
All the kids who played the blues
Would learn my licks with a bottleneck slide
But now it seems the bubble's burst
Although you know there was a time
When love songs gathered in my head
With poetry in every line
And strong men strove to hold the doors
With my friends, I passed that age
People stomped on dirty floors
Before I trod the rock 'n' roll stage
I'll thank the man who's on the phone
And if he got some time to spend
The problem I'll explain once more
And indicate a sum to lend
That ten percent is now a joke
Maybe 30, even 35
I'll say my daddy's had a stroke
He'd have one now, if he only was alive
I like the way you look at me
You're laughing too down there inside
I took my chance and you took yours
You crewed my ship, we missed the tide
I like the way the music goes
A few good guys who can play it right
I like the way it moves my toes
Say it when you wanna go and dance all night
Man. Your attack after the percussion section is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk innnn GREAT, LOVE IT!!!
Being a drummer myself and being pretty old myself and playing for many years, your dynamic level is subject to scrutiny from all sides. I've been told I am not a very loud drummer, that I'm too loud, just right, etc.... until I realized it also depends on who it's coming from. The important thing as drummers is that we CAN play at all dynamic levels but whether those levels are acceptable is up to the opinion of someone else's ears. I've even been in situations where I am getting mixed signals from musicians in the same band; one suggesting I'm playing too loud and another suggesting not loud enough. Sometimes the same can be true with tempos. The question is who to please: the band leader perhaps? The bassist and fellow rhythm section player? the lead singer? the audience or oneself. I never heard complaints that John Bonham was too loud but then again the name Led Zepplin would not suggest playing at a whisper (yet I can recall quiet passages even as I reflect and think at the moment on some quiet Zeplin sections). Food for thought. being AWARE of dynamics probably equally important as meter.
Saw this line up at the terrace ballroom In salt lake city. Blew my mind. Cross, Fripp, wet on and a drum master!! Bought starlets that week.
Tremendo !!! el rock no seria lo mismo sin este King Crimson!
I can't find the video for "Starless", recorded in the same studio and at the same time (with solo violin). I saw him before...
Yeah, I was also looking for that and can't find anywhere
A few good guys who could play it right. I just love the way Bill plays the woodblocks and bells, not to mention all the rest!
Thank you for sharing these gems with the world, and especially your super insightful comments about your own playing. Keep em coming!
Wow! Forgot how great this band was with this line up! Excellent!
Watching that ending again and again and again. It blows my mind with every hard stop. From full dynamics to zero dynamics is such a clever idea and so intense,.
Some of my favourite Crimson
Great song. The ending was absolutely insane. I had to watch it several times to take it in. I have never experienced that use of extreme dynamics before. Incredible.