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Why you're not enjoying Baldurs Gate 3
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- Опубликовано: 11 авг 2023
- If you're not having fun in Baldurs Gate 3, this might be the reason why.
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“You engage as little as you need to, and then you wonder why you’re not getting back what you had when you engaged more.” - Josh Strife Hayes
Absolutely beautifully said 👏
its the same with people complaining their life is boring. well its because they themselves are boring.
"oh the game is boring"...well not so weird when that player has 0 creativity and interesting ideas themselves.
same principle applies to games and other aspects of life.
With AAA games in general these days you dont have to connect more then surface level. So when some people tried BG3 and couldn't figure out they had to shoot the floor of Lae'zels cage to safe her. Or look for levers in the windmill to rescue the gnome. These are perfect examples how dumb and passive "gamers" have gotten to the point they need to be told every little thing or they fail. Most massive games these days treat you as nothing more than a passive passenger instead of actually engaging the gamer. Its not the games fault that its "difficult" its the individuals fault for being fucking braindead and incapable of comprehending things that used to be considered general knowledge and common sense.
this could apply to so many things and life itself, very profound
on the other hand most games nowadays are not even worth to be more engaged
if you engage them more you will realize there's just another predatory mtx hell
Not just in games, but in life.. as someone that has become increasingly reclusive over the years I've never felt more attacked...
An absolutely inredible speech 👏👏👏
One thing I think it "destroyed" mostly of the people's experience in MMO is that "everything need to be min-max" people boot up the game for the first time and already have a spread sheet for the best builds, best characters, best classes, "what I wish I knew when I started" and so on, this for me destoys so much the overall experience of the game, struggling sometimes makes you engage even more with the world and the game you are presented to, than going for the endgame thinking you know something just because you read the "min-max" stuff for absolute everything, I think those stuff is good after you already explored the game by yourself and are trying to improve even more things.
It depends on the game. There are games where you can easily paint yourself into a corner with a non-viable build, and then the game becomes a horrible unfun slog unless you start over.
I picked a Wild Magic Sorcerer not because of the stats, & especially not the spells (sorcerer is much less flexible than Wizard), but because I love the chaos I can wreak on the battlefield (for both allies & enemies alike), & love dissing wizards about what a bunch of book-nerds they are 😆
Important to say that min-maxing isn't bad, especially if you invent your own min max build instead of looking up a guide, but min-maxing shouldn't be pushed as the only option. But game devs who try to prevent min maxing are going about it wrong
Yes. Playing runescape years ago was some of the most fun I had gaming. No its all just max efficiency and xp. Had so much fun with things like pest control, soul wars and pk
@thewhyzer No, even on tactician, you can do just fine with any build in the game. They give you so many solutions to any problem, you won't ruin anything with the build you choose, especially since you can always respec if you REALLY need to. You probably won't need to, though. Like myself, I made a max charisma character that can't fight and has 8 constitution. I'm in act 2 right now and doing just fine in combat.
The lack of energy and time to engage is truly a huge killer of enjoyment for any fun activity. Even if you have the desire, if you don't have the energy to have the drive. It will just feel like a chore.
Well, used to we played a console game, or we played with one monitor.
There were no distractions.
Now we can't play without music going, a second monitor showing a video, and with people all watching different things at once, while trying to make dinner, and wonder why a game is boring.
@@XaadeTheBladethat doesn’t make any sense, even if you did all that you would still enjoy the game if you did but nah the way it’s designed is brain dead
Gee thanks for the life lesson and that's sad, I feel bad for you.
So true. It's so hard for me to get into games because the whole time I'm playing, all I'm thinking about is how much time I have left before I need to do irl stuff
Bg3 is just lame lol 😆
You hit the nail on the head with this one. Once I became a father I immediately lost hours and hours of time to invest in gaming. Since then, my progress in every game has slowed down to nearly a crawl. And because of this I’ve acquired a severe case of FOMO. Like if I don’t get through X game by X date, I’m not going to be able to play game Y and miss out on all of the conversations.
So because of this mindset, I began rushing through games, just to get through them instead of actually play them. They’ve become a task and no longer a toy. It’s quite sad.
But the other day I had a breakthrough when playing Ghost Recon: Breakpoint for the first time . I turned off all aspects that could possibly hold my hand or guide me. No HUD, no hints, no mini map, no markers…just me and the in game world. It forced me to actually be present and take in what was in front of me instead of where I needed to go. My senses were heightened and my level of awareness went through the roof. I actually became fully immersed in the world. Felt like I was actually there and my life was in some sort of danger. I was giving the game everything I had basically. My full attention and all of my brain power to imagine that I was really in this world. I’m glad I came across your video because my experience was astonishingly euphoric but I couldn’t quite figure out why. Now I know exactly what happened.
Thank you for this and I’m glad you’re not streaming BG3 so you can enjoy it 😂😂😂
This is me too. Hello fellow dad
I feel the same way.. feel like that magic I had is gone once I became a father.. I miss it! Going to pick up BG3 and bring my old self again! Sometimes we need these words .. game on folks!
damn you entered that flow state in ghost recon
I think you don't need to worry about FOMO
You're a dad bro.
Still enjoy gaming when you can. I suggest maybe just hitting those shorter story driven games like MK1, AC Mirage, last of us, batman, etc.
I don't have a lot of time to play anymore either. But Assassin's Creed has always been my favorite since AC1. To this day if there is only one game I have time to play or buy it's usually AC. Only other games I've doved into recently in the past few years are the Arkham games again(loved them), witcher 3, cyberpunk and red dead redemption.
Also I bet if you get your kid into gaming when they get older you'll have a little more time to game with them. Which is a win win. Great bonding experience and shared interest.
This is what happened with my sister. I got her into gaming and whenever I visit we usually play a game
I felt like this with Kingdom Come: Deliverance. An absolutely magical experience at exactly the right time in my life, when I was hungry for something that would do the opposite of holding my hand. I'll also give a mention to ELEX as well, which may be janky but I got completely lost in the fiction and gameplay systems of that world in a similar way
haha loved that last sentence, "will i play baldur's 3 on stream? NO cause i want to enjoy it." perfectly said my friend, take your time and enjoy the game to the fullest then give us a review!
I moved your likes from 420, to 421. Real life villian
@@rafaelguerra9608 I will find you.
Lessons learned from Dragon Age: Origins I'm sure. xD
Those words really resonate with me, as much as I love talking about amazing games with friends. If I'm honest I enjoy most games that I play by myself so I can give the game my undivided attention and for me creates the most immersive experience.
@@riyuphoenix4533immersive*
This is worded so well. I have a hard time giving games my undivided attention like I could 20 years ago. With Baldurs Gate 3 I’ve been really trying to engage with it and give it time to breathe.
Did you end up enjoying it?
Playing BG3 blind without guides has been a transcendent experience. The only game to capture the same feeling I had playing KOTOR as a kid.
The only game since kotor..??
Yeah no, you barely played any video games lmao
@@VioIetteMolotov I have the same feeling about it.
Mass Effect was just a bigger KotOR for example. And after KotOR, it was good, but i have not felt the same.
Dragon age was also cool.
In the end, it's subjective. But I totally understand that BG3 can recall this long forgotten feeling.
I 100% agree! It totally gives me feelings I had when I played KOTOR as a kid.
@@VioIetteMolotov Give an example then
God I loved playing Kotor, that game devoured months of my life, I was obsessed with it for ages. The best star wars anything since episode 4,5 and 6. Even now.
I’m trying to enjoy BG3 but it’s just not happening. I’m constantly falling asleep while playing it, every attack I do in the game never hits and everyone dies way too much.
Thank you for having a good opinion the game is so boring I’ve tried playing it for long periods of time and I can’t it’s such a slog
I totally agree with Josh. I know for me, it is incredibly hard to get immersed in story-rich games now because I get constantly distracted or interrupted by my partner, stepson, pets, trying to get dinner ready by a certain time, phone calls, family visits, just life in general, etc. I may desperately want to just zone into a game for a few hours, but I'm not allowed to a lot of the time. So I often let those brilliant RPGs sit in my backlog in favour of a quick and easy game that doesn't matter as much if I need to jump in and out.
Yep, theres a bunch of games I love or am sure I would love, but that take me sitting down for a couple of hours to actually be able to get into them.
And I just dont always have the time, energy, focus or mood for that. So on most days, especially during the week, those games just dont work for me.
Kinda have the same issue with movies a lot of the time.
exactly to the every point. Can I bitch and moan in the reply? Thanks .... In my case there is one more issue on top off all that ... My PC is in the fricking living room cuz there is no space in bedroom and her parents live next door constantly nagging me why I don't hang out with them and "side eyeing" me why I play so much and that much is nothing, a small plays in already limited free time. I miss my old den in the parents house where no one was bothering me...
Sorry to say but if you are made to feel that you have a wrong partner.
When i read comments like this I get happy that I'm alone with a lot of time for myself
@@thedangerzone9399 I don't wanna say it but if I had a partner who just wanted a couple of hours to himself I'd make sure to keep myself and my son away from the room. People need alone time and that's to be respected.
(i hope youre enjoying Baldurs Gate 3)
It's good, but It's a tad too hard for my liking. And I did play BG1, BG2, Neverwinter Nights. But this one feels I need to meta game every single encounter. Even on story mode you can easily get jumped out of a cutscene and have half your party wiped in the first turn because your rolls were less then fortunate.
@@arborisThere is no shame in playing it in story mode the first time around. I myself steamroll even tactician, but the first time I played DOS back in the day I also struggled a lot. Both Larian's sandbox-like game design and DnD's ruleset are incredibly complex for someone new to them.
Good news though: You can change the difficulty on the fly. I genuinely encourage you to do so. There are so many choices in this game you can play it 5 times over and not get bored. By the 2nd or 3rd run you will be able to run normal, by the 5th you will slay tactician!
I'm scared at how much fun I'm having throwing goblins at goblins laughin like a maniac and proceeding to throw their corpses into a spider pit to feed em.
Kinda had to exterminate the spider threat after.
@@wfb.subtraktor311 I have no shame whatsover, i "savescum" to hell and back. It's a singleplayer game. So I'll get through eventually.
But if you need 3(!) runs through the entire game to come to grips with it, that's a bit of an oopsie on their part then. Most will run through it once, if even that. I just find the encounters more often then not harsly overtuned. Even on storymode. Because for something called "storymode" it really isn't "storymode". It's just a tad easier than normal mode.
Spoder is fren@@MrSpacat
Actually, the stuff you're saying regarding personal investment even applies to my experience with D&D lately. A few of my peers whom I played with regularily, and even myself to an extent, i've noticed our ability to invest ourselves into our characters is quite low compared to what i'm used to from when I used to play as an early 20-something yr-old. One person even outright said he doesn't wanna roleplay, he just wants to play the gameplay part and enjoy the DM's npc dialogue and whatnot, basically treating it like elder scrolls. As for myself, it seems very hard for me to be able to exert myself through a character these days. Desire to invest myself just seems to be at an all-time low.
Dude this is something I abstracted to some other issues I have. I definitely have this issue in gaming but this gave me a really great view of how to maybe move forward and try to enjoy some things again.
The realization I just had about this was sudden and a bit depressing... I've found that it's difficult for me to engage in and get into most games now a days that I used to love as a kid and play for weeks. I realized that I slowly became a more passive enjoyer of entertainment. Constantly watching Twitch and RUclips, looking up guides for games before I even play them, rarely straying from the guide. I rarely explore on my own now a days. Maybe the fact I can't passively go through most new experiences and have grown bored of the old ones keeps me complacement and stuck doing nothing... It's a helpful realization, but it makes me sad.
It's not just your and our fault though. Games have gone that way as well, there are a lot of games where you practically have to look up a guide because the game itself doesn't give you enough hints (Because devs got lazy as well and "Hey, if they have trouble they can always look up a guide"). And we've all encounter the illusion of free choice way to often to expect different choices to have different outcomes.
I've slowly regained my enjoyment of games in the last years (after I retired and had more free time) and it was actually "work". I restrain myself from looking up guides and spoilers, even if FOMO hits hard ("But what if I miss a sidequest/story/hidden area/secret item/etc.?"). And there is no general way of doing that. My flatmate and I play mostly the same games, but we play them totally different. What is the same though is that we are having fun.
I have faith, that you and others can find their way back. It's like getting back into a physical hobby like jogging or cycling. At first you will have a lot of sore muscles and doubt that it's worth it. That is until that magical moment when you realize and experience that the magic is still there.
Yes, it's sad (for now), but you can change that. Wish you the best in your journeys, wether you decide to switch to different hobbies or get back into gaming. Because there is no wrong or right, there is just wrong or right FOR YOU. You do you, have fun and enjoy life!
Instead of letting yourself feel sad, why dont you make a change? It seems like im a minority watching this video because ive never experienced this and im 22 yrs old. I have a lot of love for gaming, always put a lot of time in and got a lot of reward. Only use guides after you've tried all other possible solutions. Personally i find that passive content can't compare to interactive content. I thought it would be obvious that actively taking part in something is 10x more fun than simply watching it.
I remember having arguments with friends over this very practice; I always felt that a well made game allows you to intuit or outright explains everything you need to know to work it out. Obscure secrets are one thing, sure. But you should be able to see and enjoy everything in the game without resorting to a Wiki, because if you can't get online, or that Wiki is vandalised or shutdown, then you're screwed.
Whenever I do resort to a guide, it's usually to work out some obscure advanced technique. I'd also say something on the scale of an MMO is going to require a Wiki by it's very nature.
You engage gaming as if you d watch TV.
Instead of watching it as a piece of entertainment, play it as an overworldy experience as if you d go adventuring yourself in a different world.
Stop thinking games as a piece of entertainment but as you in a different world living a different life.
Watch out for half assed games that only exist to suck your wallet tho.
The key word is : immersion.
Its really simple. When you enjoyed games years ago social media wasn't everywhere. No short clip trends or RUclips guides for everything. Your attention has been destroyed like everyone else's. We just crave the instant dopamine hit now and taking the time to learn and play a game is next to impossible. There's a reason why a lot of prominent figures in the tech industry refuse to allow their kids access to this stuff.
I finished few maps and thinking that those were actual chapters, it turns out I spent 45 hours in chapter 1, devouring the game, exploring every single pixel possible. Huge shoutout to Larian and their narrator who kept in captivity for years to VA all of their bullshits.
Haha same. A friend told me he booted up the game and played a bit. Said he stopped after talking to a group of druids. I was like: all right nice. I boot up a game and it took me 8 hours to get to the druids.
The amount of "secret" content is just insane.
Just wait until act 3 (act 1 and 2 aren't really separate) and you'll realize this game was not ready to be released.
Larian literally released it, because the early access stopped making them money. That's it.
They weren't expecting even a fifth of the interest it got after release. They were just hoping to squeeze more money out of it before it died.
I did the same thing in Divinity 2. Spent around that much time on the tutorial island
@@LecherousLizard"stop having fun guys" guy is in the comments, nice.
@@LecherousLizard Are you legitimately insane? Act 3 is bigger than act 1 & 2 combined & is one of the most impressive things I've seen in gaming over the past 20 years. Get your head checked
2:40 I had countless of those phases during my childhood and teenager years. People, this isn't a thing about "growing old" or having too much responsibilities, it's an issue about not setting proper boundaries for yourself. Every human needs at least some time for themselves, be it an hour everyday or be it in binge phases every now and then. The only thing that is important is to know that everyone needs them. That's how we stay healthy, interesting, engaged, mentally fit and emotionally stable. If you can't take time out of the day for yourself then make sure you can as soon as possible.
Seen this problem far too often within many friends. They been gaslit into thinking that taking time for oneself is egocentric or lazy, despite it being the opposite as it allows us to recharge ourselves.
Being too stoned and thinking “spellcheck” was some sort of game mechanic.
Baldurs Gate 3 has been a blast. Nothing like doing a little RP commentary as you watch your friend get their butt kicked in combat
Im hoping they fix the tiny issues that pop up here any there. Me and my friend are playing through and for some reason my character is the only one with any charisma (we didn't think about Cha when we were planning our group) so its important i'm the one doing the conversations. Almost 100% of the time, if a conversation is started via a triggered event (walking into an area, or moving from one conversation instantly to another) it doesn't matter which characters are where, it almost always switches which character is talking to the NPCs.
@TuffMelon The worst are the dialogues that start after or during a fight. The game defaults to using the person closest to the NPC engaging the dialogue so you need to know when the dialogue pops so you can position your group accordingly. Very annoying.
@@nova_supreme8390 I definitely understand your frustration about this as it makes it more difficult to get the outcome that you want. I think it's a good addition tbh, yes in some situations you can choose who does the talking but oh wait your nerdy awkward wizard got himself too close to a goblin camp and now needs a novel way out or take a risk in talking his way out by rolling the dice! It can add to the immersion for me, finding my way out of a tricky situation can also be fun :)
@@TuffMelon that’s exactly how it is in tabletop though.
Nothing like pounding bears
It's not the game's fault when you are just not the target audience for it. I love exploration, talking to npcs, and reading lore. I'm also a fan of tactical combat that's more about planning than it is about killing much and fast. As a cheapskate won't be playing BG3 for some time though, but will get to it.
Everything was fine until I read "exploitation" 3 times in a row...
@@NM-lz8xc Probably just burnout. I've played like 15+ hours of BG3, but I'm taking a little break. Sometimes I just want to turn off my brain and mindlessly kill things which is what D4 and PoE are for.
Looks like a quality game, but bland. Too generic. I don't enjoy theme of space sci-fi tentacles and models are just too generic, like bioware game.
Exactly. There's this absurd idea, that every new game or show must/should appeal to everyone. People somehow can't seem to fathom, that perhaps why product X didn't appeal to you, was that you weren't part of the core audience.
@@taenar1335 What ruined my immersion in BG3 was my Half-Orc Barbarian not having a fitting voice. I'm definitely not the target audience, so not bashing the game, but I did find it incredibly sloppy that there wasn't even a deep voice option and the body types were pretty lackluster. In some aspects, the character customization is very in depth and in others it's very shallow and unfortunately it was shallow in most of the parts that mattered to me.
I don’t mean to be a contrarian and I absolutely am not saying Baldur’s Gate is a bad game, but I just don’t enjoy it. I actually do read all my spells and abilities. I actually do talk to all the NPCs and actually read/listen to all the dialogue. I actually play DnD 5e too. I think the story is really cool…. But the combat is brutally punishing. I want to get further and actually see the story progress but I’m constantly being wiped out from not being able to hit anything even with 70+ percentage chances and/or getting wrecked by rolling low initiative and getting wombo combo’d immediately. I really really want to like this game but I can’t afford to constantly throw my self into a brick wall until I finally break through.
As someone whose go to games right now are daggerfall and vintage story, two games that require patience and dedication. Nah I just don't enjoy Larians game design or writing. I love slower paced games that want me to take my time but all 3 larian games I've played have been unfun slogs. Not everyone going to enjoy everything.
A toast to the editors who have to farm old clips of Josh's streams for like a month until Josh finishes BG3
I am taking a well deserved break from the world, 80 hours in and I just reached the outskirt of the main city.
Not reading class guides or watching tips and tricks, just going blind into the narrative experience the studio crafted for us.
I am having an absolute blast, the game is amazing and the ammount of choices you have in term of narrative progression is incredible, think 10 times the likes of Witcher and Mass Effect series.
Man, I finished the game in 72 hours and immediately making a new character, its been so long that I just go new game after finishing it.
I don't even think I can remember all the different choices I want to make in my next playthrough. The amount of hidden quests with alternative outcomes is nuts, not to mention the main quests. Only Yakuza has ever taken me more than 90 hours to beat.
I'm 30 hours in, still in Act 1, and already excited for what I will do different in my 2nd playthrough, what new race/class I'll play as, experiencing the Dark Urge origin story, etc. KOTOR is maybe the only game I can recall last that I did 2 back to back playthroughs.
@@jpb6895how are you spending so long in act 1? There’s literally no content.
"I have just one question.... Are you having fun?"
i will never bond with a game like I did club penguin
Exact reason why im going social media silent when AC6 releases. I want to be fully immersed in it with no distractions or spoilers. Also the short clip trend has destroyed our attention spans, thanks for reminding me so I can avoid them.
I partially agree with Josh.
What he didn't mention (in here at least) was this was to be expected and was a consequence of game studios choices. When you try to expand the scope of games to reach other people that were not traditional gamers they don't have the same engagement, they never did.
When you make a game for everyone you make a game for no one.
If someone did not enjoy BG2 and put several hours on it would you expect them to like the next installment? No. If the next installment is faithful to its IP you probably won't.
Then you look at the Diablo IP and see the difference, most that enjoyed 1 enjoyed 2, but those that enjoyed 2 disliked 3 and 4. Can you actually blame those players in these scenarios, ofc not. Even Diablo 1 and 2 NPCs are more memorable than from 3 and 4.
When an artist doesn't invest time on their creation but expects others to it creates a dissonance that you can't blame on the latter.
The grand majority of AAA games the last decade punished players time, is it strange that it's harder for said players to invest time?
Should you expect people that never invested time before to do now?
See, as an old man with responsibilities, my actual time spent with a game is very short. So I spend a lot of time planning to play. Reading guides, making checklists etc. Then when I get to play I get shit done.
You should see my Stardew farm. Grandpa wasn't just proud, he told me to take a break.
That feeling of i dont want to put attention to the game was something that I've been experiencing for years with games but when DoS2 was on sale and i gave it a shot i reignited that joy of immersing myself in a good game. Exploring, interacting with everything, talking to every npc, theorycrafting builds, without any those things ever feeling like chores was something amazing. To think that i almost didnt give it a chance just because it was turn-based and it ending as one of my favorite games of all time. BG3 has brought that feeling back, im having a blast and im glad other people are enjoying it too.
Yep it only takes a well made game to bring that feeling back, a rare thing nowadays.
It was the opposite for me. I only decided to try it because of combat and and specifically turn based combat. Ended up realizing how much I actually love immersing myself in rpgs.
It took lots of context to realize you meant D:OS2, Larians previous game. That was indeed an amszing game which myriads of paths, in story and combat. It rewards engagement, which is the part Josh failed to mention. The game needs something worth engsging with.
Dos2 was a blast to play. i started a 3 man co-op campaign that lasted 78 hours, but abruptly ended in the pocket dimension when i pressed the lever, i was undead and the whole place filled with deathfog so i was laughing my ass off at the situation, then i heard them panic about something, then i saw the lava.
it was an honour mode session
BG3 is a game I picked up on a whim this year after all the hype and it's really surprised me with how fun it is. As you pointed out it is very time consuming and as an adult it's hard to set aside sufficient time for this game to feel like you're making progress. I definitely skip some dialogue with more rando NPC's and don't read every book I pick up but when you pay a little attention to the game it's great in how it can guide in how to defeat an enemy with a specific vulnerability or the dialogue is probably the best I've ever seen in a game. There's little things like the other day I stumbled upon a hidden basement, checked it out, noticed a room with no doors and noticed a couple oddly placed chairs, so I sat in them and a door opened to this room. The way to access this basement was blocked by a big wooden door and even as a rogue I wasn't able to lockpick it, however a nearby town had copious amount of explosive barrels. Had someone stash one, set it down by the door, hit it with a fire arrow and down goes the door. This may be a very polarizing game as to get fun out of it you must be engaged with it but so many games have conditioned us to turn off our brain and repeat A to achieve B, rinse and repeat.
have conditioned you*
This is a great point, and it's why I loved WoW Classic when it first came out, despite losing all motivation to play retail. There was a shared sense of anticipation before release, I was excited to jump in with everyone else, and there was something about making a completely fresh start. I felt genuinely eager to immerse myself in the world as much as I could. But as time went by, I became increasingly aware of how shallow and static the world was, and the growing sense that it was just looking for ways to waste my time.
That said, I long for a game that resonates with me like WoW and FFXIV did, but with a more dynamic and immersive world, and more fleshed out social elements, so there's a lot more potential for emergent gameplay. Give me a game like this and I will put a ridiculous amount of time and energy into it.
i've been so dumbed down by the "meta" in gaming that i have a hard time consciously shifting my focus to just sitting down and enjoying a game as i used to and i have no clue how i can change this, i find myself starting playthrough after playthrough because at some point i just digress into googling guides and walkthroughs and i feel like it's not how i want it to be. i know BG3 is right up my alley in terms of setting and genre as i used to play a lot of CRPG's back in the day, NeverWinter Nights, Dungeon Siege, Dragon Age Origins. i just somehow, somewhere lost the ability to connect with the game and i wish i could get that magic feeling back.
Won't play Baldur's Gate on stream...
Understandable tho, I'd very much like to hear his opinion on it
i feel like, shorts and tiktoks trained us to be stupidly entertained. We sit here braindead and all we have to do scroll down and the next little thing starts playing and we get a minute of questionable entertainment. But at the end of the day we could not tell what we did for hours, or even what we watched. Our brains are rotting in our heads while being mildy entertained with no effort at all. We got trained to bring no effort.
Honestly chief the amount I’m learning from you is insane. I’ve always enjoyed the content but I’m surprised by how much I learn of little things like this or your other videos and highlights. Hopefully that came off right, wording things isn’t easy for me. Keep up the great content my friend! Thank you for all the time you put in!
Ngl, I had one of my most infuriating gaming experiences from BG3. I felt like I was constantly hitting a wall left and right, constantly loading saves cuz I was either dying a lot or didnt' get the result I wanted. It truly isn't for everyone and I'm not here to conclude that I understand it better now or my campaign has gotten better lol. It truly is an amazing experience but you really do need to put the effort, energy and patience.
Even as someone who rarely died, the game strongly favors having over 30 different saves per character and just save scumming because so many things are down to pure random chance rather than smart decision making.
Because it's designed in such a Larian way. If you've played through Divinity, you'll understand what I mean. Once you figure out the actual "corrrect path" to take instead of finishging quests to their end. Because for a game to have true Larian design you need to figure out the easiest way to get the most experience skipping all around the world. Knowing which encounters to take when and at which level, which exploits to abuse etc. etc.
I logged into BG3 last night and after an hour I realised I hadn't moved from my camp because I was organising inventory, talking to my companions and checking gear and spells to see if there were things I could do a bit better. I haven't left he first zone yet and only just gone down into the underworld thingy after playing all week.
I crossed 50 hours last night. Still in Act 1. Haven't even gotten to the underdark yet 😅 (though to be fair, I did have to go back about 5-6 hours to an earlier save from before a couple of my friends had hopped into my game, assuming they would just take control of one of the origin characters but were forced to create a custom character and from then on they were permanently in the party whether they continued playing with me or not.)
Some of my best gaming experiences were had last year playing ff14 because I was in between commitments and had a solid 2 months of time to just soak into the game without worrying about spending my time "efficiently". I played the the game doing all the little side content, paying attention to the story, levelling up random jobs (especially the noncombat ones) and it was such an enjoyable experience. I felt truly connected to the world and met some people. It'd been over a decade since I thought I could feel like that, and it gave me the realization you speak of in this video.
I had the same feeling about not having the need to play "efficiently" in side content . Like how solving the puzzles in variant dungeons without a guide was more enjoyable than getting the reward as fast as possible (for me at least)
A smile better suits a hero.
yesss super purposeful minmaxing in RPGs makes me want to kms
"The game is good, you're the problem."
Thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for after months of trying to enjoy the game.
Can I ask you, OP, why have I restarted this game from scratch after getting to act two 4 times now? Why is the rest system giving me so much anxiety? I played the first and second Baulder's Gate back in the day (as well as Neverwinter) and felt so inamoured with them.
What's different here?
Man, you're speaking exactly of my experience with Dragon's Dogma! I tried to play the game twice and just died a lot and got turned off from it. Then i decided to give it ONE MORE shot since so many people were telling me its great! When i finally settled down and learned ALL the controls and the Vocation system, i fell so deeply in love! Its one of my favorite games now!!
In a certain zone much later in the game I decided to run my own mission impossible to get into an incredibly well guarded area and get out with out being seen and I took only 2 party members in and with them working together with spells to keep each other hidden and then moving each other around it just felt awesome and I could have done it totally different or not at all and in essence I made it my own story and that one little section that took maybe a half hour has given me more joy than 99% of games have in their entirety and that's not counting the rest of the game
I will never forget to hours it took to clear out the entire goblin fortress. That was an adventure.
In BG3 i talked to all the npcs, did every side quest, explored the whole maps, and I quit after 25% in act 3. It's just not fun
I disagree. I played for 5 hours now, talked to every NPC I met, even animals, opened every box, looted every plant. Read all the text while leveling, and still not hooked. Something missing and I don’t know what. And btw, I’m over 40 played many JRPGs and other RPGs and turn based games, I even play football manager. Still can’t feel the hype that’s bestowed on BG3.
You are letting your preconceived thoughts about the games reputation ruin the experience for you
This quote actually fits real life activities as well
Honestly depends (in regards to mmorpgs). Some just don't flat out reward effort. You can bust your ass on a raid and get it on farm after a couple of weeks to a month then take a break thinking you hit a spot only for time to exist so your effort either needs to be automatically void or overwritten, not because people actually got better.
good point. i think it's very valuable that a game will still be there if you take a break. in runescape you can get a bis gear and then take a 2 year break and while it might not still be bis, it will likely still be usable, and it won't be any worse for what you used it for.
@@herrabananivery true
Very true, played some WoW back in the day and I remember how one of the biggest things that made people burn out was when the super-special mythic gear they spent months grinding to get is on par with standard drops by the next patch and completely unusable by the next expansion. Even worse with Legion, when the legendary equipment they spent a whole year grinding to improve its stats and aesthetics only for the weapon to effectively be destroyed at the end of the expansion. Fortunately, I'd already disengaged before Blizzard decided to spit in the face of its playerbase like that; I'm not into degradation play so I wouldn't have enjoyed it.
One of the reasons I went heavy into Warframe for some time is that, while power creep exists, it's an extremely low curve compared to most and the devs often try to rework older equipment or even create whole new systems to buff non-meta equipment so they still have some valid reason to exist.
I felt this with Guildwars 2. I put a ton of hours in every day because of the 2 hourly world event bosses. I stopped playing anything else really, just grind out these - can't play another game because in less than 2 hours, the boss will be back up to farm. But right after you finish that one, another is starting, so hop to that. Eventually it's back to the first one, creating an endless loop of running from one event to another. I spent months like this and it was only the realisation that I've gotten bugger all but wasted time out of all of it that finally made me stop. The reward just wasn't there, apart from a miniscule chance that some big ticket item would drop. In my months, it never did, and the most I got out constant farming for days on end was a bit of gold and the occasional cosmetic item. I had to spend a lot of real world money to have any chance of enjoying myself, but in the end there was always another thing to buy that would finally make the game feel more enjoyable, yet it never did.
Super Mario World didn't "reward your effort". It was just a good platformer and people simply accepted it for what it was and had fun playing it. If you only go through the motions in a game(raiding) to get rewarded for you playing the game(bis gear), that's a you problem more than it is a problem with the game. Not saying the game is problemless either, but simply it's more a you issue than anything else.
Whether that means that game just isn't for you and you're just forcing yourself to play something that very clearly isn't for you, or if that means more what Josh was pointing out, only you know.
I put all my energy into baldurs gate 3 and it was worth it. I have strong feelings about most characters that you come across in the game. I even have regret about certain actions I took in the story, but I'm not reloading I gotta just live with it and make it work.
I spent a bunch of money on this game.I played it for a few hours,and I couldn’t do anything.These games are made for experts that were born with a gaming controller in their hands.
The general population are absolutely responsible for the state of video gaming today. You are 100% right Josh.
its not us that are 30+ its the damn kids now that just want fortnite and shit lol, they have ruined gaming for everyone
Evwr since people and companies started actaully listen to other peoples' complaints and opinions; The gaming community and the gaming communities and the games we get have just been downhill ever since.
@@johnevans3562censorship did
@@johnevans3562 it's also our generation that has no time to sit down and really fully digest a game. By the time our kids are asleep, we are so exhausted that we just want to play mindlessly.
to be fair, baldurs gate 3 is the biggest release in many years with so little microtransaction / corporate greed
The thing that got me was how playing the pathfinder games made me scared of long rests because the game events really were on timers. I hate spoiling myself on games but ultimately for BG3 I did have to look up if long rests advance quests (they mostly don't except when you are specifically told they do), because otherwise I would try to do pretty much everything without resting meaning my spellcasters were borderline uselss.
What an inredible insight once again! Thaks Josh!
This kind of touches base on what I became self aware of recently. I realized that the reason I would spend so much time on NES and SNES games, then gradually lost interest, is because that while NES games were often just as terrible as they could be amazing, I was driven to try to fully explore even the terrible games because I still have found a few things in Mario 3 in recent years that I didn't know were there. I could never really get into MMOs and the generic mobile games because once you see the first 5 minutes, you've seen it all if you know what I mean.
Josh turns everything into a existential crisis. What a poet
Even his vest has an existential crisis occasionally.
You're right and BG3 is a game that gives you more the more you give. If you actually treat it like a DnD adventure and roleplay your character a specific way, it is immeasurably more fun than treating it as DnD Xcom. Engaging games the way they want to be engaged is part of what makes them fun and BG3 reminded me of that.
Yes, the only slight i have on baldur is how much i have to reset in combat. I am a dnd veteran, and balanced os difficult enough to kill me half of the battles i engage it.
It feels scummy because i normally live with my choices and never reset.
Oh, and sometimes your character does or says something you did not want...
@@sloestywhat is your class/party makeup.
I had a lot of trouble at first till I started focusing on positioning and blowing things up dos2 style.
Our schedules and lifestyles have also changed. You can't put in the same energy you did in your twenties. Especially if you have an office job where you sit for hours. At the end of the work day, even if you would love to immerse yourself in a game, you just don't feel like sitting still.
i played as a dark urge barbarian. I went to the goblin camp and to the torture priest. He slapped me with a mace and i screamed at him MORE! 3 times in a row, while my party was watching. Their comments and the whole thing itself made me fall with laughter. Barbarian itself has so manny funny stuff he can do
Hey! I also think barbarian fits Dark Urge much more than the sorcerer they suggest he should be. He's secretly the main character of the story, I hope more people will try him and realise how neat his character is. Too bad it's the only real way to play a truly evil character.
@@helgenlane Too bad its a literal maniacal serial killer and torturer and some people just dont really want to see that as their protagonist. I'll be just staying happier with Shadowheart and Laezel being the protagonists of the game and my character just kinda leading them around to get to places.
Shadowheart was concerningly into it.
"Laugh. NOW!" (Act 3)
I've been more invested in BG3 than any game in recent memory. Absolutely enjoying all the energy into the game. Its assuredly not for everyone but its absolutely for me.
Only other single player game I got sucked into for the past 10 years have been Witcher 3, and SWTOR. This game is def on my top 3 games of all time and I wasn’t even a turn based fan. Now I look forward to beating Larians Divinity Original Sun series after the 150+ hours I spend on BG3.
This game would've been for me, if it was finished.
Yes, the story branching and choices are nice, but:
1. Memory leak since 2020 - unfixed
2. Game completely crashing on loading a save.
3. Dialogues bugging out and not showing any choices except a debug "Continue" which forces the dialogue to proceed to the next phase.
4. Entire cutscenes breaking.
5. Relationships with companions getting bricked completely because you didn't rest at the camp often enough.
6. Some very obvious choices missing, like not killing Minthara (the "evil" drow companion) and still preventing the assault on the Grove.
7. And plethora of other minor and major bugs, like missing quest rewards or broken dialogues.
A game like Cyberpunk 2077 released essentially flawless in comparison to Bugltur's Gate 3, but it still got shredded to bits for the tiniest of transgressions, because it was being hyped for too long.
@@bobsag1164 SWTOR is a mmo but you didn't even mention Elden Ring... That was like the only game to come out in the past 15 years or so that wasn't a completely crap shoot buggy mess and had TONS of playable and explorable content. Best game by far probably in the next 10 years as well... How could you forget Elden Ring already... Shame on you!
Same here, started playing these days and devoured 5+ hours in a day. I'm not even done with the beginning of Act I and I'm already thinking about finishing and starting a new file asap with my many other D&D characters I want to roleplay as, to try different dialogues and classes!!
Honestly this explains why I can’t get into D&D despite having wanted to before, but I’m completely in love with BG3. I don’t have to be actively engaged and actively researching like in an actual D&D campaign but the video game provides all the tools and information for me to enjoy a 5E experience in a digestible format. Probably also helped that I played DOS2 so I’m familiar with the controls and format of Larian’s games.
You don't need to be actively researching in real d&d either. Just modern Wizards of the coast d&d. Play old school essentials d&d and you get the true d&d experience that the creators intended and there is no d&d homework necessary, just show up for game night.
@@MrTechFox I run dnd 5e weekly and we don't do that. The rules are pretty barebones the more you play lol It's just that learning curve that is the issue.
You don't have to do that in IRL DnD either, unless you're trying to metagame.
the only time you have to do research and homework in dnd is if you're being a tryhard who needs to "win" at a game about pretending to be somebody else
I found the opposite to be true.
I agree. I've been loving BG3 since release! Admittedly there was a period where I did get bored but I wouldn't blame anyone but myself for that and now I'm back in and loving it.
This is a great video. I have kind of the opposite problem, where I’m not playing BG3 as much as my friends because I know this is a game that requires my undivided attention, and sometimes I just don’t have it in me. But I’m still enjoying it very much.
I listened to all these game journalists and heard that this game was the game of the year. and besides, I really liked the previous parts of Balders Gate Dark Alliance 1 and 2. So I bought and installed this game and for some reason this game is not at all similar to the previous two parts, after an hour of playing I deleted it :(
I think part of the reason for why I don't enjoy certain games is that I try to engage more... but don't find someone to engage with. For me, even single player games need to be a more social experience - of course I will engage with the game itself but I also want to talk about it with others and share things with them.
@@Cue-Ball. oh yeah I definitely don't blame the games themselves for that. Unless the community engagement is missing (at least partially) because of how the game doesn't really support it so well; for example Destiny 2 is sorely lacking in game community features.
Josh is getting into shape! His workout must've been working out for him.
LMAO, the chat.
"You would be a really good motivational speaker for people who were about to stop gambling."
Who is this monster 😂
Lmaoo clocked him
And what happens if you do all that? And still die a lot on very easy mode?
Honestly, BG3 is the only games I've played where I've actually cared about interacting with the game in years, and it's been an absolute blast
This can be said not only for gaming but also life itself
I always come back to this video every now and then in order to motivate myself into finishing my gaming backlogs. Thank you, good sir.
I breezed through the first two acts, and the third is teaching me why I should not have done that.
This is literally one of the best rpg experiences ive had in years. This is so close to the ideal rpg model ive yearned for years.
I didn't like it because it didn't feel like I was playing a game, it just feels like a lot of pointing and clicking on things.
interestingly enough, baldurs gate 3 is one of the games that's the most fun to me since forever. I've played 16 hours straight last week because the incredible world and the massive amount of stuff to do kept me hooked
I fully understand that problem. Which is why I still have several new-ish RPGs sitting there waiting when I'll finally play them from the beginning to the end.
Unfortunately what now usually happens is me going home with a tired head after work, and while this head is enough to watch youtube or chat with people, it's not enough to dive into an RPG properly. I started a proper BG3 playthrough (not including a very short test attempt) weeks after the release I think. I'm almost level 4, but I didn't do much yet still. And that's good, since I still gotta learn how to effectively fight with a party, for now I'm just mostly soloing everything with ranged sneak attacks with my assassin. But at least I "prepare for the future" so to speak - items, consumables, new skills/spells from leveling up. I have no idea how much time will it take me to finish the game, I basically properly play only during my weekend. And even that depends.
Also stealing stuff and checking every container (hello tons of empty vases) really eats my time. Yes I know I can manage without that, but it is too tempting.
In my opinion, a lot of games are really good and can give you a fantastic experience, but you have to be a “good sport,” as I put it, so this applies not just MMOs.
Cyberpunk 2077 is one of my favorite games. Combat and buildcrafting is deceptively simple, the world is rich and the stories and characters you interact with are fantastic. It did something a lot go games can’t do, which is make me feel something. So many moments in the game gave me a genuine emotional reaction. It worked because I was willing to go along with the game, and put forth some effort into engaging with it and going along with what it was trying to do. If I just run around the open world blowing stuff up and trying to make bugs happen and mash through all the dialogue, I’m not going to have that emotional experience, am I?
Cyberpunk is great if you go in without expectations. I knew when the first trailer dropped that people were getting way too hyped for a game they know nothing about, imagining the impossible in a video game. Thus no matter what CDPR did people would be disappointed. That's not to say it's perfect at all, the combat is pretty 1 dimensional, i wish the story let you continue the game rather than reload a save (should've learnt from Fallout 3), but the story is pretty good for a video game and it's a good way to immerse yourself in the cyberpunk genre.
@@sameerdodger definetly, the game was hyped for 10 years, there was no way there wouldn’t be some disappointment. And it’s certainly a flawed game, but I love it nonetheless.
Cyberpunk is legit the only game that I have played that made me cry.
Yeah. You have to find a balance. Don't be a fanboy for a thing. Don't let yourself be taken advantage of. But also accept that you can like and enjoy thing that isn't perfect. Just like you can dislike a popular thing.
I've played this game for about 30 hours.
This is definetively not my cup of tea, and I can't understand how could it be for anyone.
Turn based combat on 2023... Oh pls!!.
20 minutes to defeat a few spiders with no engaging combat, spells usable for just one time and you have to go back to your camp and rest after almost every battle...
I just want to play elden ring again....
You know the way
You have good game taste
Right? Turn based is literally the worst way to do combat.
Bro just turned into Aristoteles for 3 min and I love it
The last sentence says it all: Will you play Baldurs Gate on Stream? No, because I want to enjoy it.
Or... hear me out... there's plenty to dislike about the game. Combat is clunky. Controls are confusing and unintuitive. NPCs have bizarre and unnatural writing. The mechanics have a huge learning curve (even for someone who knows DND 5e inside and out like myself) that is often discouraging rather than inspiring. I understand that immersing myself more into any experience will allow me to pull more out of it. But why would I do that if the act of immersing myself itself feels like a chore rather than fun?
I could spend a whole weekend just walking around Skyrim, meanwhile bg3 manages to make even movement feel like work.
I didn't enjoy it because of the writing - quests, characters (oh my god, the f-ing characters...), the world in general. Game mechanics, though somewhat questionable, are fluid and simple. In every aspect of production, the game is top tier. But the world building, characters and quests are all so bland or annoying that I simply had to quit mid way through Act III, to which point I got by actually forcing myself to play from the end of Act I.
I quit at the time Rogue Trader came out. Then I went with it and had a time of my life - probably didn't enjoy an RPG that much since Neverwinter Nights 2 or Dragon Age: Origins. Maybe Witcher 3. But better than both. And immediately started the 2nd playthrough when I finished the 1st.
Recently, I opened BG3 again, wanting to restart and give the game a fresh look with a fresh start, new class, try different things. After 30 minutes in character creation, I had a PTSD moment about all the annoying things I went through with the characters and the world and I just quit.
That is why I am not enjoying the game. Because of Astarion, Lae'zel, Karlach, Shadowheart, Wyll, Gale. Because of the blandest, most generic story out there. The illusion of choice that ends up railroading you at the end of every chapter. Almost non-existent world-building (to the point where you are not even aware where are all the locations that you visit in relation to each other). A Lieutenant of Hell, who led armies of devils into battle, slew countless enemies, has infernal engine for a heart... is a level 1 barbarian that struggles fighting a wolf or a bandit? A warlock who has a contract with one of the devils, killed dozens cultists alone and is a folk hero of the entire region... starts at level 1 and can't take two goblins on his own?
I could go on and on about every single character. But I don't want this to turn into a rant.
The reason I am not enjoying the game is not because I haven't invested time, patience and will into it. It is exactly because I DID invest all of those things and the game gave back the most generic, bland, boring and in more cases than not simply annoying content.
And when you see the folks who fanboy about the game - you will not hear how excellent the writing, quests, options etc are. No, they are insistent on how high the production value is, that the game does not have microtransactions, is polished and does not have DLCs.
Basically, they are commenting on the studios practice of game releases, not the game itself. I'll take a fresh and interesting mess of bugs that is Rogue Trader over a polished plastic bag that is Baldur's Gate 3 10 out of 10 times.
Well, that's kinda the dilemma I'm living with in my relationships to computer games these days. One the one hand, I've fond memories of the times when games where hard to beat and you actually had to invest time and energy when you wanted to beat them. On the other hand, I've gotten older and have way less time than I used to have when I was still going to school/university, so when a game goes back to giving me that experience I'm nostalgic for (Souls-like games, WoW classic), I often experience an awful amount of frustration because I just can't give it the time and energy to have the same amount of enjoyment I used to have. Und unluckily, it's a rare thing to find a game which meets exactly that personal sweet spot between still being challenging without getting frustrating.
How is everyone now after reaching Act 3 and seeing how Larian did DoS 1 and 2 all voer again with awful Act 3? And how are you guys feeling after the AWFUL endings?
I feel that the characters feel too chessy, like astarion bro come on who is like that? Nothing like Dragon age origins. It was really hard for me to get to feel inmersion when i talk to any npc or companion, the only one i can grasp to like is karlach so i finish act 2 and said "nah this feel stupid" and uninstall. Really cool gameplay and mechanics though, i really like that aspect
Couldn't disagree more with this opinion. Great art doesn't force you to get engaged. It draws you in and invites you to be engaged and you will be because it's great art. Whether it's the opening scene of your favorite movie or the first bars of a great piece of music you are drawn into the artist's perspective and you find yourself deeply involved. Making excuses for a game like this and blaming the player because that person wasn't "engaged" enough to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear is just plain barmy.
By your definition games can never viewed as works of "Great art" I have no problem with that, it just means your comment is not where it should be because he is talking mainly about video games
B.S. Bloodbourne and the souls series were great games and great works of art. There are many other examples. Stories and characters that drew you in because the game was well written and well made. No need to work your ass off learning a million different button presses and getting buried in inventory management, @@SilverKnightXx
@@bluesy1234 "Great art doesn't force you to get engaged" I think pressing the start button to even start a game is forcing me to engage with it. Games need to force you to engage otherwise they woudn't be games. Funny that you have Bloodborne or the Souls Series as an example, a prime candidate for forcing people to engage in its mechanic, there are so many people who can't get into those games because they do not want to put in time to "learn" them to engage with them in anything deeper than surface level interactions.
@@theskinnyscampuss6435 here comes the guy who believes shit thrown at a wall is art get out of here i randomly say its not art and because of artists agency your wrong now shut up child
Finally someone with common sense. Good art engages with you not the other way around. Insane that this turn based trash is suddenly so popular now. People acting like it's the second coming of christ.
I bought the game today, its xmas and I was really close to avoiding it because I knew I was signing myself up to be completely overwhelmed with a learning curve that could take 5-10 hours and I ended choosing to get it because I had the thought of "I want to feel overwhelmed, dumb, and push through till it makes sense. Then it will all be worth it."
How’s it going? 😅
I'm not having a good time because I want to do EVERYTHING and thats just not possible in one playthrough
I lost a fight in bg3 like 4 times in a row. I had such a good time replaying the fight. I did that for like two hours or so. That was my entire session and it was AWESOME!!
Yea it’s one of the things I had to get used to with the game. Typically I expect to blast through several quests in an hour but in BG3 things take a long time. At first I was upset, but I’ve come to find that part of the fun of the game is taking your time, exploring every area, developing different strategies for each fight, and I guess if you’re having fun who cares how long it takes
@@davidfl4 I kinda put myself in the same headspace as a real DND campaign. I have had a few sessions where I just spend a few hours doing conversations and I'm like oh I guess today I'm doing an rp session hahaha!!
Which fight was that?
@@davidfl4it also depends on how you play and how well you know the ruleset. Some people just spam long rest after every fight, some people have very unoptimised builds that really struggle to get through...
@@helgenlane one against Gnolls. They were a level ahead of my entire party hahaha.
cant speak for others but I can tell you why I am not enjoying my time with BG3,
As an AMD user MSAA anti aliasing is super shimmery and TAA is so blurry its unusable... FSR 2 mod has artifacts so i want to wait for official support.
Official support for FSR 2 didn't come and i am stuck in an infinite loop of not using bad mod for FSR2 and waiting for official support that is not coming...
Nobody mentioned that NVIDIA titles don't get FSR 2 but everyone and their moms and grand-moms made 100 videos on starfield not getting DLSS. its bullshit
So as this video was playing, was wondering if Josh has any BG3 vods, so I first open up Josh Strife Replays, and no cigar. But it has been a few months since I've checked it, so scanned through to see if anything would catch my interest. Afterwards, I open his twitch page, and right as I go to click the videos tab, I hear "'Will you play BG3 on stream?' No because I want to enjoy it."
Fair enough lmao.
I have recently decided to go into games without the build guides etc etc and I am again having fun in games.
I’ve spent the last week giving this game my undivided attention. Pure roleplay. I’ve cheered, cried, and laughed alongside my character. I’m having the absolute time of my life, but it will be over all too soon. 100 hours in and I’ve only just reached Baldur’s Gate.
I am loving this game. Savoring
Lol absolute I see what yo did
@@coldbreezeproductions1148 Praise her 🙏
I'm really taking my time with this one, exploring every nook and cranny. I'm a little over 80 hours in and still in Act 1. I want to progress quickly but I also want this to last forever.
@@shibernyan2009 Still in act 1 after 80 hours? Damn. I guess I played a lot of Early Access so I had already explored a fair amount. Still, it took me 50 hours to get through act 1.
Maybe some people just don't like it? The camera can be wonky, only one person can input into a convo, % combat can be frustrating, turn based combat, being skilled in things can always roll a 1, etc etc. There are reasons to not like bg3 and reasons to like it. Just let people not like things.
I have given the game over 100 hours, and I honestly dislike it, I have done all the side quests I could find and the progression is just a bit underwhelming, My first play through I spent (wasted) so much time levelling and learning to fight correctly, but it was all useless since now I just Dex shove into abyss and blow up powder kegs to win, poor game design.
You chose to Dex shove and Blow up powder kegs lmao, nobody made you. You wasted you own time by levelling and learning to fight and then choosing to cheese the fights. Thats on you.
@@czar6595sekiro better
Agree. Old runescape days some of best days in gaming. Just exploring, having fun leveling and doing mini games and pkn. Now its all just most efficient xp method so alot of content doesnt get done now. It sucks that its so hard for me to get into games now.
I gave EverQuest poop socks. That's commitment.
As someone who played text based MUDs on telenet long before mmos came out I agree 10000%. They were so fun and pissed off my parents because the phone was busy all the time. All it was was a chatroom you can move around in and kill monsters and it was great. Had more friends in those games than modern wow because no one talks anymore.
Something that cracked me up is one of the articles reviewing BG3 said that easy mode was too hard. First off if you ever played actual D&D you would know these fights are very easy by comparison. Second off I guess the people who reviewed XCOM 2 all retired because that game gets pretty hard. Less abilities so less complex but hard. Bet they couldn't beat the Warcraft 2 campaign either.
Did you ever play BENG battleengine on mIRC?
Honestly, I'm playing BG3 on Tactician and I'm having an incredible time because of the difficulty, not in spite of it. In this game every single encounter is a puzzle to be solved rather than just a healthbar to be drained, and if you try to brute force everything without thinking you WILL die.
I was watching a friend play the other day, he's been doing his first playthrough on Tactician as well. He was at the point in act 1 where the goblins try to invade Emerald Grove and I noticed some odd things about the state of his struggle. First off his elven monk was laying *outside* the Grove's walls half dead and asking his allies for help. Furthermore, the downed monk was being protected by a single ogre who was fighting off one other ogre plus three goblins. Everyone else on his team was up on the wall, the tiefling archers were already dead, there were two spiders closing in on the remaining forces, the enemy's special units were all pretty much unharmed while my friend's entire party was inches away from death. The enemy still hadn't managed to blow up the wall, but the battle was pretty much lost.
What was odd about the situation, and what ultimately led to my friend's crushing defeat, was that even though he was playing on Tactician difficulty he wasn't thinking like a tactician at all. He positioned his monk outside of his own walls in an attempt to hold off enemy forces, which discarded the fact that the defending side of an invasion always has the overwhelming advantage. If you're defending a fortified position you should NEVER storm enemy forces.
My friend had also failed to deal with the spiders who jumped up on the wall ahead of every other enemy unit, which resulted in the death of his archers, which were the key to wittling down enemy forces as they tried to destroy the gate. Why did my friend fail to take care of the spiders? Because he was hyperfocused on the enemy suicide bombers who were trying to blow the gate up. He managed to keep the gate intact for a time, but at the cost of the entire battle.
My friend also did not use the buried oil barrels that were prepared on the path to the gate, nor did he throw the oil barrels that were up on the walls. Take note that he had managed to contract three ogres to fight by his side, an advantage I had to do without in this battle because I couldn't pass the charisma checks.
So, how did I do it? How did I manage to beat the battle my friend was having trouble with even though he had the advantage of three ogres in his forces? I used EVERY single defensive strategy in the book. Enemies approaching my gate? Good, throw oil barrels at their feet to make the terrain difficult to traverse and pepper them with arrows. Enemy spiders jumping up to kill my archers? Protect them at ALL costs, the gate be damned. Suicide bombers blew up the gate? Good, to get into the Grove they'll have to go through a narrow corridor, use it as a chokepoint, cast grease at their feet and make them walk through fire to get to you. Enemy unit managed to climb the wall? Good, now's the opportunity to push them off to their deaths.
THIS is how Baldur's Gate 3 wants you to think. Line of sight, chokepoints, terrain elevation. In Tactician you have to take everything into account, leverage every advantage to get the upper hand. This combat system plus how the encounters are designed makes for strategic depth rarely seen nowadays, it's a shame more people aren't engaging with it.
for my measly skill normal is enough for me but fun tried an encounter failed tried in diffrent ways eventually made it then tried another one and failed before remembering that there was another route i could try out of the area to bypass the enemies did that and was able to escape.
@@browal14 I'm sure easy mode has resistance that has to be overcome for some. Just felt like complaining about the difficulty is like expecting this to be a tell-tale game or something. It's pretty forgiving and save scumming is always an option if you get really annoyed. But I haven't felt the need to.
At some point I wonder if the people writing reviews for big publications even like games or is it just a job for them. Final fantasy tactics was pretty loved back in it's time by critics and it was harder than this game. So was XCOM 2 much more recently. Seems it's not just developers that are getting "lazy"
All that said I'm a little surprised this game is having as wide as appeal as it is. But maybe I shouldn't be. Everyone loved bioware games before the company stopped making them.
@@Erick-tv8oq yeah that sounds much more like the tabletop level difficulty. Been playing on normal and it's challenging but I might bump it up because I do like more friction so the achievements feel better.
This reminded me something that I constantly get flak on the FFXIV community. Basically, FFXIV have one of the most intrincated and involving crafting system outside of actual crafting-focused games (eg, Potionomics). Part of that process involve giving you skills at a slow pace, so that you can get used to your crafting skills slowly over time. While niche, there is a certain sense of joy in mastering that system, and adjusting what you need to hit as the process go on. And because of that, when people show interest in the crafting system, the first advice I give them is to stop looking at crafting macros and optimal leveling process, and just keep crafting and level up organically.
I'm usually shot down by a hundred other people telling them to powerlevel through Firmament or Tribal Quests or Custom Delivery, which requires absolutely minimum effort (Firmanent requires a lot of in-game money) to get to max level, and then you get a player at level 90 with 30 crafting skills they have no idea how to use, but it's ok because "they can macro all crafting that doesn't matter".
If you ever want to craft endgame gear, you can't do it with a macro. If you ever want to engage in Expert Crafting, you can't do it with a macro. For these, you need to understand how the crafting system works. And skipping the learning process just means you have to learn everything together, and that add more complexity on top of an already complex system. While using very expensive endgame materials instead of cheap vendor stuff while at low levels.
And then people wonder why almost no one engage in crafting. Because they get burnout from the leveling process, and can't parse all info that is dumped at them all at once when they think its time to "actually start crafting".
I think it would be better if people leveled their crafting along with their main combat job rather than leave the crafting jobs until hitting max level. I leveled every crafting job (and gathering job) in that way, and I only stopped in the middle of Shadowbringers because I really wasn't all that interested in the game any more and just stopped playing altogether. I can understand if you waited until you hit max level to start crafting, it would be a very long slog before you got up to max level in crafting as well, and so people just wanted to skip past the trivial stuff. When you don't buy anything on the market, collecting it all yourself, you have a strong desire to learn how everything works. If you just want to level one job and buy all the materials, because you can just throw money at the problem, there's no real desire to understand it fully.
Because of that I cannot get into any other game than WoW :( Dunno, trying to dive deeper in Bg3 in the dialogues or books in the game etc and it is no longer fun like when I was a kid. Any tips?
Because the combats take forever and the characters take absolutely forever to get new lines/progress their quest lines
Inredible video
I'm here, bawling my eyes out, going through a break up and Josh Strife spitting truth bullets that apply to both relationships and life, but also my biggest passion which is videogames. People, wake up and put in the work... it's worth it, really.
Your biggest passion is video games. Shouldn’t it have been your partner?
@@TraitorFelon.14.3 what a gotcha andy you are, lol.
I realized some time ago that the reason I cannot enjoy most video games other people enjoy is because there often needs to be something to get addicted to: Grinding, Hoarding, Collecting or just simply chasing some kind of a pipedream scenario.
I don’t think I could enjoy a game like Baldur’s Gate 3
The market is saturated. We are all poor and tired. Everything in RL seems so bad and far too important to devote our time to serious gameplay.
Times aren't good in general and the mainstream games industry has hit a point of terminal failure.
The real creatives will keep going but the big money side is very identifiable as iterative trash now.
Most will keep playing that.
People who genuinely love games will seek out the quality.