What do you think 😅 make sure to check out Snappiness' video on this camera next if you havent already. We thought it would be fun to release them at the same time. ruclips.net/video/JgQ-zl-Orvc/видео.htmlsi=1u4wu3Uu-7t6D0tJ
Has a truck with those "cameras" turned over somewhere? 😮 I've seen a couple of videos on this topic from different RUclipsrs as of today. And I'm not even subscribed to anyone. P.S.: sorry for my English
@@MicroFourNerds ah, thank you for the answer and for your video 😊 Hope this type of cameras will be somehow improved (mostly in software) in the nearest future 'cause there are definitely an interesting gadgets.
I have an interesting idea. How to install Motioncam and Mcpro24fps on this camera? With the help of these softwares, you can have complete control over your camera and even record raw video or log!
The good news is that a lot of these companies do listen to thìs feedback. Yonguo seemed to have improved their lenses greatly based off the critiques they've received in the past, so hopefully the same happens with their cameras.
This whole idea of having everything in one device REALLY appeals to me, but no one seems to have gotten this idea right (yet). And I totally understand why - it's a tall order! Classic "jack of all trades, master of none" it seems. But, massive credit to Yongnuo and other manufacturers that are at least trying something new. Few people get this stuff right on the first try. Great video as always Em!
AFAIK this Yongnuo device is designed to be a live stream camera for shopping live stream or something in pandemic years. Since Yongnuo is one of the only brands that still make M43 specific lens, I appreciate them for their courage anyhow.
Very honest review without bashing them unnecessarily. Well done. I also think this tech will get much better in the future to the point where perhaps we'll all want/need to have one as photographers.
Thanks so much for that comment! The last thing I wanted to do was criticise this too much. I totally agree, I'm really truly excited to see where this tech goes
That camera reminds me of the current trend in cars: All touch-screen, no physical buttons. My gerneal sentiment about that trend can be summarized with prolonged, dreadful screaming.
The "stick on" sensors/mounts like the Olympus and Sony make much more sense. The "back" (i.e. your phone) never goes out of date and the camera gets out of the way when you just want a phone.
I look at those and wonder how I'm supposed to hold it. One handed by the lens, tapping at the screen to take a picture but risking dropping the phone? One handed by the phone, risking dropping the lens? Two handed, which stops either bit falling off, but at the expense of making it functionally more unweildly than an EOS1 with pint-glass of a lens attached?
@@nickthaskaterI've not held one, but they look like the sort of clamps that I'd trust to hold the weight of by phone above a car dashboard, but not the weight of a lens while I'm waving the phone around. Not saying you're wrong, especially if you have used one, but certainly off-putting to me, despite being happy to camber round mountains with a GX8 attached to my rucsac strap with a PD capture.
Thank you, very enjoyable. I watched it with my morning coffee, an enjoyable way to start the day. I hope you can find more quirky "cameras" to review.
Jurassic park flashback . Your scientist were so preoccupied whether or not they could . They never stopped and thought if they should. 😂😂 . Great video . Said on fb I'd watch with me tea .
Mix one part camera and one part smartphone and you ended up with a 1/3 cup of what is essentially an "Alpha" version of what could be. You nailed it, smartphones are already too good, just make the experience of using MFT lenses easier. This device fails as a smartphone, and fails as a camera. But still, props to YongNuo for even trying, that in of itself is something to be proud of. I do hope they make a proper v2.0 that exceeds all the other variations of this formfactor.
I'd love to see something in size range of the Lumix CM1. I've never gotten to try one but it looks brilliant. Good review and thanks for not just trashing the cam!
Thanks for the video, it was fun to see this camera. About these phone+camera thingys, I am not convinced they have a future. I like having separte devices. My camera takes photos, I dont want notifications popping up twlling me I should buy head and shoulders. What I would like is easier connection between my smartphone and camera. Right now I find it clunky.
Nice one, Em. With all these attempts I feel it will never really work out, though. As you mention, it ends up being an uncomfortable phone (and not even a full phone replacement) and a not so good camera, instead of getting the best from both. I think the best that can be aspired to here is to have a sort of "phone case-grip with M43 sensor and mount" that can be used with any phone, and a well developed and compatible app. This will remove the load of doing a whole operating system and focus just on the camera app for the company, as well as not having to keep the system up to date. For a 2021 Android device, having Android 10 is already a 2 year old thing. Today that's 5 years old. It's just not good enough, or even worth maintaining at this point. I hope they can come up with a more versatile approach that can also leverage some extra computational photography while having your phone be your phone for everything it's already good at.
Great video! I like what this is possibly trying. Get social media on your camera on the go. Current cameras still miss that. Interface seems bad tho. Suggestion. Make it like DJI Osmo Pocket. One main screen where you will see the exact look and feel what "real" cameras have on their lcd screens. Then have buttons like "real" cameras. They just work. To access settings and connected apps like Instagram, Threads, Lightroom mobile etc. you swipe screen up/down/left/right just like DJI Osmo pocket. This way millions of photographers are already familiar how things work. Then millions of DJI users would know how access settings etc. And finally billions of users are familiar with SoMe apps. This version fails just like you said. Has better lens but user experience is worst than both camera and smartphone can offer.
Love your reviews. I'm having so much fun with OM m43 (& TG-6) that my Pentax DSLR is sad. (You might notice both brands are IBIS brands. Unless buying more bodies than lenses, buying IS in lens is good only for the lens maker!)
The reason to use M43 lens in android is advanced video features available such as able to change iso and shutter speed while recording, I didn't come across this feature in any of real camera devices.
I like the looks of it. What I'd like to see is a m43 camera done in the compact camcorder form factor, which would be much more ergonomic. The shape of so many digital cameras still inherit the idea of a reel of film getting exposed.
This reminds me of back in the day when Nokia had carl zeiss zoom lenses sticking out the back of their phones. Those definitely felt like mobile phones with fancy camera lenses. This feels like an entirely different beast! As you say, it’ll be interesting to see what comes next!
I like weird cameras. I've also wanted to tinker with an Android based digital camera. The shortcomings of this device is largely due to this technology not actively being developed for a good decade or so. Smartphones have had plenty of time to massage out all the quirks of their earlier iterations. I'd like to see this do well, but they're going to have to make improvements in a lot of areas. I'm a bit surprised by the shutter button not working in other apps. When you buy a selfie stick, it just emulates the volume control button, which many apps will use for shutter control. They could make a camera that has dials & buttons that are interpreted as a USB HID by the OS. As long as the app can have custom hotkeys, the dials/buttons could be universal.
You could try use mcpro24fps or proshot to access 20 mpx and 10 bit recording if it supports. Also on mcpro you can access unprocessed audio :) Great review anyways! PS. Imo i would like to see something like direct wi-fi (which android supports) with high speed transfer on camera for sharing between smartphone. Lumix have something like hotspot, but still is not that fast, so large video files take longer to transfer.
I would really like to believe that there is a chance for this kind of camera, and there actually might be one. Take, for instance, the rebirth of the high-end portable music players market. Many of the best modern devices are based on Android, with the software being modified enough to both unleash the potential of the device and utilise Android's features. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Yongnuo.
I love how they are making lenses! Even if their camera sucks at least we can still use their lenses ! so we can support these companies this way. While them also giving us cheaper lenses options with great quality.
I briefly thought I wanted this, until about 10 seconds into the video 😂 I do enjoy their lenses I admit! And great to see someone pick up the android as camera os idea again. After all, that's what it was initially made for!
The idea is great. Its basically what I think the top camera smartphones are developing into. This one comes from the other direction though from the camera world to integrate an Android phone. Xiaomi has a grip that makes it look and feel like a compact camera. Vivo X100 Ultra now has this as well. Talking about M4/3. There are rumors since one year that next year will be the year of M4/3 camera sensors in smartphones. I am not how they want to pull it off especially if you want to have the smartphone still be thin enough. Maybe they pull a Huawei and make a retractable lense. That could work. Otherwise yeah this tech and experiment came maybe too early. But the trend is goind this way. See even Apple adding a camera button now. Smartphones will develop more and more in compact cameras.
You could argue that Olympus/OM System has been making some forays into in-camera computational photography. But they’re held back by the limitations on the power of the processor they can put in the camera. If the processor was powerful enough it would munch through the battery like Pac-Man. And you can see the massive limitations in things like the live view display of the Art filters.
I hope xiaomi or Samsung comes out with a proper android camera. I'd certainly buy one. I wanted a galaxy camera when it first came out but I was still a student back then lol.
I still want one. I just wish Yongnuo can put more powerful chipset in it and give more RAM. This can easily fight against any flagship smartphone cameras, Sony included.
I'd be very interested in what a successor could improve upon. Hopefully they continue trying to innovate to allow a second iteration with better AF, rolling shutter, OIS. It's kitschy for sure but it's my kind of kitschy
Interesting, didn't know Yongnuo has a camera. I am looking forward to buying their 25mm f1.8 m43 lens though, which is significantly cheaper than counterparts from Olympus and Panasonic. I was hoping you'd make a video for it 😊
Even funnier, when Yongnuo originaly came out with the concept, the Yongnuo YN450, the camera used a m43 sensor but an EF mount, because YN was only producing EF lenses at the time. If you are into strange chinese m43 cameras, may I suggest the Xiaomi YI M1, which also came with a 20mp sensor and it`s own f1.8 42.5mm lens, so just slightly slower. Not out of the question they used some of the same components for the YN.
It's a shame that it's sooc jpeg file are not post processed as in Fujifilm cameras. It would be a game changer. The only positive that i see is one can change lens for specific purposes during live streaming. Cheap, good enough, light, no hassle all in one live streaming camera.
Samsung did something like this a decade or so ago, the galaxy camera. I had it for a year but was so buggy and slow, but I knew the concept had so much potential.
I had no idea that you could use it like a phone as well! It feels like this camera could be amazing in a few generations' time, but as of now, it's definitely a brick with buttons 😂 Also shout out to the T.I.T!
So what could Pany/Oly do to improve their camera to phone compatibility? Almost every camera2phone sync app I’ve tried has been annoying and buggy at best, I’ve heard good things about LumixLab… but it’s still stuck in firmware jail for the G9ii, so haven’t been able to try it. I remember those wifi sd cards that seem to have faded into extinction… wired tether via usb? Make a m43 camera that has a cradle for your phone instead of a rear screen (that sounds like it would be too big!). Have apple buy jip/omds and make an iCamera?
Lumix Lab is by far the best iteration of those apps I've tried (they really need to add RAW compatibility tho!!) However, honestly? If you have a USB C phone, the best "app" is an sd card reader. Lob everything into Lightroom = perfect experience
I'm not sure I'd trust an m4/3 camera with a cradle for my phone (What phone? Will it only hold a new £800 iPhone? Will it still fit my new phone in 5 years' time?) to hold onto my phone tightly enough. The Olympus thing that Emily has with her in one of the early shots: what am I holding with my right hand to give me leverage to zoom/activate my 12-32mm with my left? With the Alice camera, if I'm holding the Alice unit to shoot one-handed, how much waving around will it take without the phone falling off Also, how much of a hassle is it to switch between the phone app and GPS? How annoying is it if I'm trying to take photos and I keep seeing email alerts "I think you might be off today, but if you are in work or you do see this..."?
Being a software developer myself I see that these type of devices have two main problems: 1. if you think that the instagram app (or whatever app) will be updated at some point to be fully compatible with the camera, you are wrong because this type of device represents 0.01% of the audience, so you are stuck with the current behaviour forever. 2. the overhead of running android will drain both power and battery from the camera and apart from that, the android API is not meant to be that good with photography so you will need a lot of R&D to improve the camera app anyways So in essence, you are better off with a dedicated OS for the camera
I just want a camera with solid AF, a 5" screen with amazing colors and ability to upload to a cloud folder faster than my g9. 🐌 I like these devices which try to bridge the gap...I could envision something which offers a streamline approach to trim a clip
This device certainly takes better (jpeg) pics than my phone (Fairphone 4) but my Sony A6300 (bought in 2018?) seems still superior (OSS, RAW). So yeah. IF the YN455 would shoot in DNG and have lets say 500 AF Points and OSS I´d consider buying one.
When you compare bigger sensor with phone, you forget 1 thing : with a bigger sensor and a standard lens you get much more compression. On a phone everything behind the main subject is faaaaaar away. And I love the compression.
How about a Plug and Play sensor that somehow connects to the USB port on your phone where the phone recognises the Micro Four Thirds sensor and uses that instead of the teeny tiny sensor phone camera sensor? You'd get all the computational power of Android or Apple to work their magic on the image as if it was natively using its own camera sensor. A similar analogy is plugging a printer into a computer. It does not really matter what printer you plug into the computer just so long as the printer does its job of printing stuff. Maybe the days of having digital cameras ape cameras designed and built around an analogue method of capturing light i.e. a roll of film have ended and a new form factor is needed? Maybe the phone itself is an evolutionary step of cameras and photography. There is no need for a design to replicate a hand-grip that housed a roll of film. You just need a sensor, System on a Chip, storage, operating system and a way to see what you are capturing. And this can fit inside a slim rectangular shaped box. DJI are even having a go at rewriting what a camera should look like. Their Osmo cameras are basically a sensor on a stick and they work rather well. Their Ronin 4D cameras are about to rewrite what a cinema camera could become if we stepped away from the concept of a form factor that was designed to house a roll of film.
About a decade ago, Google demonstrated Project ARA, that could do that. Project ARA was about creating a modular smartphone, so that you could assemble the device you want, much like using LEGO bricks. The modules could be hotswapped. There's a demo of a camera module being added, and then the camera app opening once it's recognized.
Why not lumix DMC-CM1 mark ii? I guess LUMIX had the CM1 way back too early by that time. android isn't mature enough to support the concept. But I guess now is the right time to come out something like CM1
These third-party camera makers have to hit it out of the park if they want to stay in this field and succeed. Pretty much the only ones I've seen do that in the last 20 odd years are RED, Insta360, and Z-cam. I'm sure there are a few more, but Lytro, YI, and who knows how many others tried and failed hard. With this not offering anything special or being particularly good, it's doubtful there will be a second iteration.
If you can't make calls with a SIM in, it's the smallest Android Tablet on the back? (granted its much bigger than my Android phone which is only slightly bigger than a smart watch) The WiFi link on OM 10 Mk ii and TG-6 lets me edit on the large or medium android tablet and upload through phone tether or WAP or public WiFi .
Trick or treat! A brilliant review by Emily of a classic Gothic horror movie revived, "The Bride of Frankenstein: The Sequel". Mary Shelley (played by Emily) reveals that the Monster aka Frankenstein/Frank and his bride didn't perish after Frank pulled the lever that collapsed the their Bavarian castle. Oops! Decades later, the spawn of their lust in the dust emerged in a new world. Their love child with its beefy body, m43 eyes and addled android brain arrived just in time for the Halloween Scream fest. Poor little Younguo! Rejected, never to be understood or loved (or get the really good Halloween treats)💔 Thanks, Emily! Nobody could have told the story of Younuo better😅
Imagine a camera, with a USB C connector where you can dock a phone and use it as your monitor, without WIFI and other weird and clunky connections. Connect the USB and your phone becomes integrated in the camera. The software is also in the phone, so the camera does not become "obsolete", and you can change phone and keep using the camera. You could still modify your images, use some AI tweak and send them on whatever platform you like.
The idea is great but they dont custom the android to be good enough. Eg, to overcome the shutter button support in 3rd party app, they should provide function to simulate the finger tap on shutter button. That s not hard to do actually. Picture quality is so terrible to compare with other m43 camera.
because i have a fetish for small cameras, [I have an sx mini as a camera and a sony rx0 in my pocket] I found this very large camera very intriguing.......gosh, do you think they are planning to include a refrigerator in the next model? that way a person could edit pictures while calling for a pizza and having a beer?
I think its a novel idea but having a simple card reader to take the SD into your phone just makes this useless. That way you have your RAW files into Lightroom Mobile or your chosen video editor. Kinda doesn't solve the problem that the phone has. Doesn't make it any better.
Alas I already found a YI M1 for £50, this is the limit of my kludgey-brand madness for the moment Who am I kidding, for the right price I'm down for any third party shenanigans
It seems like a terrible camera, but it's a start. I hope it gains more traction and, in whatever way it can, pushes M43 forward. We've been getting nothing but the same sh** repurposed over and over again, it seems. The S9 was terrible. The EP7 hasn't quite caught on. The G9II seems great but a bit too pricey imo. Maybe in a year or two, YongNuo does something great with this concept.
Apart from anything it's huge! That shot at 1:03 of you holding it just looks horribly un-ergonomic. I wonder if it's a gambit by Yongnuo to have their operating system bought by larger companies.
Android 10 is now 5 years old. That's ancient in terms of computer operating systems. Unless the camera manufacturer is going to update the OS soon, this camera would be a "paper weight" in the very near future.
You showed the Alice Camera and the lack of proper reviews out there (at least that have popped up on my feed) makes me think something is wrong with it. Do you plan to do a proper review? I saw your preview from 11 months ago.
@@MicroFourNerds thanks for confirming my suspicions. I was on the list to buy an Alice Camera and instead picked up a GX85, some more primes, and an LX10. I'm very happy about that.
For me the greatest thing about cameras is that they are not connected to the internet and you cannot scroll through crap, but focus on making pictures. I hope shit like this will not be a thing and other brands will not follow.
The fold line notoriously has a much worse camera than the Ultra range to differentiate them. It was suuuuchh a downgrade from my iPhone 12 when I got it. But I love everything else about it
The more I think about this "all-in-one" concept, the less it makes sense. Seamless transfer between camera and smartphone is all we need, and all we've needed for many years. Then you can edit/share from a considerably smaller/lighter and more capable device.
I don't understand how they can put so much energy, time and money to make an Android camera and not make at least the basic camera futures as good as a Olympus cheapest camera. Good idea but... if it doesn't work as good as a normal camera is just waste of time and money... any person understand you can't sell a product if it at least not up to what people expected from a basic camera. Plus able to update the android for at least 5-7 years
Ah, yeah, Android phones and 3rd-party apps - the reason I stay away from those after some really shitty experience with a cheaper Samsung smartphone. Interesting that it's exactly the same on this dedicated device.
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What do you think 😅 make sure to check out Snappiness' video on this camera next if you havent already. We thought it would be fun to release them at the same time. ruclips.net/video/JgQ-zl-Orvc/видео.htmlsi=1u4wu3Uu-7t6D0tJ
Has a truck with those "cameras" turned over somewhere? 😮 I've seen a couple of videos on this topic from different RUclipsrs as of today. And I'm not even subscribed to anyone.
P.S.: sorry for my English
@venomanceqt I asked the brand to get a camera for myself and Snappiness, and we decided to release videos together at the same time 😊
@@MicroFourNerds ah, thank you for the answer and for your video 😊 Hope this type of cameras will be somehow improved (mostly in software) in the nearest future 'cause there are definitely an interesting gadgets.
I have an interesting idea. How to install Motioncam and Mcpro24fps on this camera?
With the help of these softwares, you can have complete control over your camera and even record raw video or log!
Please buy me a camera for work
The rolling shutter is "I'm 8 pints deep and on a ferry" level wobbly, bloody hell.
Hahaha that's very accurate!
The good news is that a lot of these companies do listen to thìs feedback. Yonguo seemed to have improved their lenses greatly based off the critiques they've received in the past, so hopefully the same happens with their cameras.
This is excellent news. I love the idea of this camera so much! I reckon the mkii will be miles better
This whole idea of having everything in one device REALLY appeals to me, but no one seems to have gotten this idea right (yet). And I totally understand why - it's a tall order! Classic "jack of all trades, master of none" it seems. But, massive credit to Yongnuo and other manufacturers that are at least trying something new. Few people get this stuff right on the first try.
Great video as always Em!
AFAIK this Yongnuo device is designed to be a live stream camera for shopping live stream or something in pandemic years. Since Yongnuo is one of the only brands that still make M43 specific lens, I appreciate them for their courage anyhow.
Very honest review without bashing them unnecessarily. Well done. I also think this tech will get much better in the future to the point where perhaps we'll all want/need to have one as photographers.
Thanks so much for that comment! The last thing I wanted to do was criticise this too much. I totally agree, I'm really truly excited to see where this tech goes
That camera reminds me of the current trend in cars: All touch-screen, no physical buttons.
My gerneal sentiment about that trend can be summarized with prolonged, dreadful screaming.
I can't wait for the L-mount alliance version!!!
The "stick on" sensors/mounts like the Olympus and Sony make much more sense. The "back" (i.e. your phone) never goes out of date and the camera gets out of the way when you just want a phone.
I look at those and wonder how I'm supposed to hold it. One handed by the lens, tapping at the screen to take a picture but risking dropping the phone? One handed by the phone, risking dropping the lens? Two handed, which stops either bit falling off, but at the expense of making it functionally more unweildly than an EOS1 with pint-glass of a lens attached?
@@chrishowell5718 they attach by clamps so you can hold it either way.
@@nickthaskaterI've not held one, but they look like the sort of clamps that I'd trust to hold the weight of by phone above a car dashboard, but not the weight of a lens while I'm waving the phone around. Not saying you're wrong, especially if you have used one, but certainly off-putting to me, despite being happy to camber round mountains with a GX8 attached to my rucsac strap with a PD capture.
@@chrishowell5718 there are pleny of reviews/tests of them on RUclips if you'd like to see how they work. Search "Sony QX1" and "Olympus Air A01".
It’s for live-streaming. It’a huge thing in China. I have two yongnuo lenses ,and they are real nice.
Thank you, very enjoyable. I watched it with my morning coffee, an enjoyable way to start the day. I hope you can find more quirky "cameras" to review.
Make cameras weird again! 😂❤
I really need to make the T shirt 😂
@@MicroFourNerds absolutely!
Jurassic park flashback . Your scientist were so preoccupied whether or not they could . They never stopped and thought if they should. 😂😂 .
Great video .
Said on fb I'd watch with me tea .
Mix one part camera and one part smartphone and you ended up with a 1/3 cup of what is essentially an "Alpha" version of what could be. You nailed it, smartphones are already too good, just make the experience of using MFT lenses easier. This device fails as a smartphone, and fails as a camera. But still, props to YongNuo for even trying, that in of itself is something to be proud of. I do hope they make a proper v2.0 that exceeds all the other variations of this formfactor.
Absolutely! I'm so glad there are companies out there trying these things!
Yep, agreed. It's great that they tried, but why the hell bring it to market with so many issues?
This, with physical buttons and a Gcam (Google camera) port might be a tempting proposition.
I'd love to see something in size range of the Lumix CM1. I've never gotten to try one but it looks brilliant. Good review and thanks for not just trashing the cam!
Thanks for the video, it was fun to see this camera. About these phone+camera thingys, I am not convinced they have a future. I like having separte devices. My camera takes photos, I dont want notifications popping up twlling me I should buy head and shoulders. What I would like is easier connection between my smartphone and camera. Right now I find it clunky.
Your hair is looking especially lovely today. Thank you for the "maybe in the future" review, I'll stick with my G95 for now 😊
Great video - very honest assessment. Went to their website... just. under. one. thousand. Canadian. dollars. Nope, waiting for version two.
Nice one, Em.
With all these attempts I feel it will never really work out, though. As you mention, it ends up being an uncomfortable phone (and not even a full phone replacement) and a not so good camera, instead of getting the best from both.
I think the best that can be aspired to here is to have a sort of "phone case-grip with M43 sensor and mount" that can be used with any phone, and a well developed and compatible app. This will remove the load of doing a whole operating system and focus just on the camera app for the company, as well as not having to keep the system up to date.
For a 2021 Android device, having Android 10 is already a 2 year old thing. Today that's 5 years old. It's just not good enough, or even worth maintaining at this point.
I hope they can come up with a more versatile approach that can also leverage some extra computational photography while having your phone be your phone for everything it's already good at.
Great video! I like what this is possibly trying. Get social media on your camera on the go. Current cameras still miss that. Interface seems bad tho. Suggestion. Make it like DJI Osmo Pocket. One main screen where you will see the exact look and feel what "real" cameras have on their lcd screens. Then have buttons like "real" cameras. They just work. To access settings and connected apps like Instagram, Threads, Lightroom mobile etc. you swipe screen up/down/left/right just like DJI Osmo pocket. This way millions of photographers are already familiar how things work. Then millions of DJI users would know how access settings etc. And finally billions of users are familiar with SoMe apps. This version fails just like you said. Has better lens but user experience is worst than both camera and smartphone can offer.
Love your reviews. I'm having so much fun with OM m43 (& TG-6) that my Pentax DSLR is sad. (You might notice both brands are IBIS brands. Unless buying more bodies than lenses, buying IS in lens is good only for the lens maker!)
Sometimes it's hard to explaine rolling shutter to a beginner. Thanks for the demo! Will refer them here for reference. 😅
This has so much promise! If there was some way they could make Lightroom presets live filters that would be cool.
The reason to use M43 lens in android is advanced video features available such as able to change iso and shutter speed while recording, I didn't come across this feature in any of real camera devices.
I like the looks of it. What I'd like to see is a m43 camera done in the compact camcorder form factor, which would be much more ergonomic. The shape of so many digital cameras still inherit the idea of a reel of film getting exposed.
Tony Northrup would love one of these! Well maybe not the negatives you’ve found but the principles at least 😊
This reminds me of back in the day when Nokia had carl zeiss zoom lenses sticking out the back of their phones. Those definitely felt like mobile phones with fancy camera lenses. This feels like an entirely different beast! As you say, it’ll be interesting to see what comes next!
I like weird cameras. I've also wanted to tinker with an Android based digital camera. The shortcomings of this device is largely due to this technology not actively being developed for a good decade or so. Smartphones have had plenty of time to massage out all the quirks of their earlier iterations. I'd like to see this do well, but they're going to have to make improvements in a lot of areas. I'm a bit surprised by the shutter button not working in other apps. When you buy a selfie stick, it just emulates the volume control button, which many apps will use for shutter control. They could make a camera that has dials & buttons that are interpreted as a USB HID by the OS. As long as the app can have custom hotkeys, the dials/buttons could be universal.
Nikon brought out an android camera years ago. It was the coolpix 800c, but it was just a 10x optical zoom point & shoot.
You could try use mcpro24fps or proshot to access 20 mpx and 10 bit recording if it supports. Also on mcpro you can access unprocessed audio :)
Great review anyways!
PS. Imo i would like to see something like direct wi-fi (which android supports) with high speed transfer on camera for sharing between smartphone. Lumix have something like hotspot, but still is not that fast, so large video files take longer to transfer.
I would really like to believe that there is a chance for this kind of camera, and there actually might be one.
Take, for instance, the rebirth of the high-end portable music players market. Many of the best modern devices are based on Android, with the software being modified enough to both unleash the potential of the device and utilise Android's features.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Yongnuo.
I love how they are making lenses! Even if their camera sucks at least we can still use their lenses ! so we can support these companies this way. While them also giving us cheaper lenses options with great quality.
It was such a great surprise for me too tbh! They weren't on my radar at all and the lenses are really good!
Yay! Looking forward to watching this! I followed you on Twitter/X!
I briefly thought I wanted this, until about 10 seconds into the video 😂
I do enjoy their lenses I admit! And great to see someone pick up the android as camera os idea again. After all, that's what it was initially made for!
The idea is great. Its basically what I think the top camera smartphones are developing into. This one comes from the other direction though from the camera world to integrate an Android phone.
Xiaomi has a grip that makes it look and feel like a compact camera. Vivo X100 Ultra now has this as well.
Talking about M4/3. There are rumors since one year that next year will be the year of M4/3 camera sensors in smartphones. I am not how they want to pull it off especially if you want to have the smartphone still be thin enough. Maybe they pull a Huawei and make a retractable lense. That could work.
Otherwise yeah this tech and experiment came maybe too early. But the trend is goind this way.
See even Apple adding a camera button now.
Smartphones will develop more and more in compact cameras.
You could argue that Olympus/OM System has been making some forays into in-camera computational photography. But they’re held back by the limitations on the power of the processor they can put in the camera. If the processor was powerful enough it would munch through the battery like Pac-Man. And you can see the massive limitations in things like the live view display of the Art filters.
I hope xiaomi or Samsung comes out with a proper android camera. I'd certainly buy one. I wanted a galaxy camera when it first came out but I was still a student back then lol.
watching from india and greatly loved with this camera and wants to buy it in near future.
When you said "take the photo, edit the photo" I immediately thought of little Britain "write the theme tune, sing the theme tune"
I still want one. I just wish Yongnuo can put more powerful chipset in it and give more RAM. This can easily fight against any flagship smartphone cameras, Sony included.
I'd be very interested in what a successor could improve upon. Hopefully they continue trying to innovate to allow a second iteration with better AF, rolling shutter, OIS. It's kitschy for sure but it's my kind of kitschy
Well if Gcam mod can be installed there and you have a big sensor ( not sure which sensor is on it) then it would be super sick to play with
Interesting, didn't know Yongnuo has a camera. I am looking forward to buying their 25mm f1.8 m43 lens though, which is significantly cheaper than counterparts from Olympus and Panasonic. I was hoping you'd make a video for it 😊
Have you thought of trying or buying an om system pen ep7 it looks interesting with black and white/colour switch with 8 picture profiles linked to it
Even funnier, when Yongnuo originaly came out with the concept, the Yongnuo YN450, the camera used a m43 sensor but an EF mount, because YN was only producing EF lenses at the time. If you are into strange chinese m43 cameras, may I suggest the Xiaomi YI M1, which also came with a 20mp sensor and it`s own f1.8 42.5mm lens, so just slightly slower. Not out of the question they used some of the same components for the YN.
what kind of lens does it use E- mount?
It's a shame that it's sooc jpeg file are not post processed as in Fujifilm cameras. It would be a game changer. The only positive that i see is one can change lens for specific purposes during live streaming. Cheap, good enough, light, no hassle all in one live streaming camera.
Samsung did something like this a decade or so ago, the galaxy camera. I had it for a year but was so buggy and slow, but I knew the concept had so much potential.
This is the first generation of the future of cameras.
I had no idea that you could use it like a phone as well! It feels like this camera could be amazing in a few generations' time, but as of now, it's definitely a brick with buttons 😂 Also shout out to the T.I.T!
Hahaha yes that's what I think too, super interesting proof of concept!
So what could Pany/Oly do to improve their camera to phone compatibility? Almost every camera2phone sync app I’ve tried has been annoying and buggy at best, I’ve heard good things about LumixLab… but it’s still stuck in firmware jail for the G9ii, so haven’t been able to try it. I remember those wifi sd cards that seem to have faded into extinction… wired tether via usb? Make a m43 camera that has a cradle for your phone instead of a rear screen (that sounds like it would be too big!). Have apple buy jip/omds and make an iCamera?
Lumix Lab is by far the best iteration of those apps I've tried (they really need to add RAW compatibility tho!!) However, honestly? If you have a USB C phone, the best "app" is an sd card reader. Lob everything into Lightroom = perfect experience
I'm not sure I'd trust an m4/3 camera with a cradle for my phone (What phone? Will it only hold a new £800 iPhone? Will it still fit my new phone in 5 years' time?) to hold onto my phone tightly enough. The Olympus thing that Emily has with her in one of the early shots: what am I holding with my right hand to give me leverage to zoom/activate my 12-32mm with my left? With the Alice camera, if I'm holding the Alice unit to shoot one-handed, how much waving around will it take without the phone falling off
Also, how much of a hassle is it to switch between the phone app and GPS? How annoying is it if I'm trying to take photos and I keep seeing email alerts "I think you might be off today, but if you are in work or you do see this..."?
Being a software developer myself I see that these type of devices have two main problems:
1. if you think that the instagram app (or whatever app) will be updated at some point to be fully compatible with the camera, you are wrong because this type of device represents 0.01% of the audience, so you are stuck with the current behaviour forever.
2. the overhead of running android will drain both power and battery from the camera and apart from that, the android API is not meant to be that good with photography so you will need a lot of R&D to improve the camera app anyways
So in essence, you are better off with a dedicated OS for the camera
I just want a camera with solid AF, a 5" screen with amazing colors and ability to upload to a cloud folder faster than my g9. 🐌
I like these devices which try to bridge the gap...I could envision something which offers a streamline approach to trim a clip
This device certainly takes better (jpeg) pics than my phone (Fairphone 4) but my Sony A6300 (bought in 2018?) seems still superior (OSS, RAW).
So yeah. IF the YN455 would shoot in DNG and have lets say 500 AF Points and OSS I´d consider buying one.
im ngl there is something about the youngneo image i like it comes off more easy on the eyes
When you compare bigger sensor with phone, you forget 1 thing : with a bigger sensor and a standard lens you get much more compression. On a phone everything behind the main subject is faaaaaar away. And I love the compression.
How about a Plug and Play sensor that somehow connects to the USB port on your phone where the phone recognises the Micro Four Thirds sensor and uses that instead of the teeny tiny sensor phone camera sensor?
You'd get all the computational power of Android or Apple to work their magic on the image as if it was natively using its own camera sensor.
A similar analogy is plugging a printer into a computer. It does not really matter what printer you plug into the computer just so long as the printer does its job of printing stuff.
Maybe the days of having digital cameras ape cameras designed and built around an analogue method of capturing light i.e. a roll of film have ended and a new form factor is needed?
Maybe the phone itself is an evolutionary step of cameras and photography. There is no need for a design to replicate a hand-grip that housed a roll of film. You just need a sensor, System on a Chip, storage, operating system and a way to see what you are capturing. And this can fit inside a slim rectangular shaped box.
DJI are even having a go at rewriting what a camera should look like. Their Osmo cameras are basically a sensor on a stick and they work rather well.
Their Ronin 4D cameras are about to rewrite what a cinema camera could become if we stepped away from the concept of a form factor that was designed to house a roll of film.
About a decade ago, Google demonstrated Project ARA, that could do that. Project ARA was about creating a modular smartphone, so that you could assemble the device you want, much like using LEGO bricks. The modules could be hotswapped. There's a demo of a camera module being added, and then the camera app opening once it's recognized.
Why not lumix DMC-CM1 mark ii?
I guess LUMIX had the CM1 way back too early by that time. android isn't mature enough to support the concept. But I guess now is the right time to come out something like CM1
You can attach a 150-400mm f4.5 telephoto lens
These third-party camera makers have to hit it out of the park if they want to stay in this field and succeed. Pretty much the only ones I've seen do that in the last 20 odd years are RED, Insta360, and Z-cam. I'm sure there are a few more, but Lytro, YI, and who knows how many others tried and failed hard. With this not offering anything special or being particularly good, it's doubtful there will be a second iteration.
You're so right. It's such a saturated field you have to do something special. I do believe a mkii has been rumoured!!
If you can't make calls with a SIM in, it's the smallest Android Tablet on the back? (granted its much bigger than my Android phone which is only slightly bigger than a smart watch) The WiFi link on OM 10 Mk ii and TG-6 lets me edit on the large or medium android tablet and upload through phone tether or WAP or public WiFi .
Interesting video and device. Also notice that you lost some weight, good result, keep it up!
Trick or treat! A brilliant review by Emily of a classic Gothic horror movie revived, "The Bride of Frankenstein: The Sequel". Mary Shelley (played by Emily) reveals that the Monster aka Frankenstein/Frank and his bride didn't perish after Frank pulled the lever that collapsed the their Bavarian castle. Oops! Decades later, the spawn of their lust in the dust emerged in a new world. Their love child with its beefy body, m43 eyes and addled android brain arrived just in time for the Halloween Scream fest. Poor little Younguo! Rejected, never to be understood or loved (or get the really good Halloween treats)💔 Thanks, Emily! Nobody could have told the story of Younuo better😅
nice grip perfect for Call of Duty mobile and PUBG😁
Didn't the Android OS start off as a camera OS? So it comes full circle here! :)
I try to buy one, they never responded
Have you tried Google camera app on this
I am thinking of getting this, but you know what.. I think Olympus make a far better camera
I just checked the price at the official website - 3000 euro! Is that really the price??
Still it is only half the price of the Kodak Super8 😉
About £750 it should be 😊
Now I see the problem - the official site I get to quotes the price in Thai baht! 🤪
Sent it to me I need that damn camera
Imagine a camera, with a USB C connector where you can dock a phone and use it as your monitor, without WIFI and other weird and clunky connections.
Connect the USB and your phone becomes integrated in the camera. The software is also in the phone, so the camera does not become "obsolete", and you can change phone and keep using the camera.
You could still modify your images, use some AI tweak and send them on whatever platform you like.
Where is the sensor?
The idea is great but they dont custom the android to be good enough. Eg, to overcome the shutter button support in 3rd party app, they should provide function to simulate the finger tap on shutter button. That s not hard to do actually. Picture quality is so terrible to compare with other m43 camera.
Security!! Most secure changing lens camera!! Just add biometrics and its almost perfect
I wonder if someone will do a gcam mod for this.
because i have a fetish for small cameras, [I have an sx mini as a camera and a sony rx0 in my pocket] I found this very large camera very intriguing.......gosh, do you think they are planning to include a refrigerator in the next model? that way a person could edit pictures while calling for a pizza and having a beer?
This reminds me of my old Samsung Galaxy K Zoom.
Which one is better, alice camera or this😂
I think its a novel idea but having a simple card reader to take the SD into your phone just makes this useless. That way you have your RAW files into Lightroom Mobile or your chosen video editor.
Kinda doesn't solve the problem that the phone has. Doesn't make it any better.
Alas I already found a YI M1 for £50, this is the limit of my kludgey-brand madness for the moment
Who am I kidding, for the right price I'm down for any third party shenanigans
Can i please have the android camera?
Yongnuo--- "They put a camera on a phone....but what if we put a phone on a camera"
But Android was initially developed by Android Inc., and its original purpose was to be an operating system for digital cameras
11:56 Too cute, Emily.
Does it work with motionCAM tho?!? If so that's literally all I need 🤣
MotionCam should be able to shoot RAW. Even RAW video.
If you want to make yourself like this autofocus better, get your hands on an older Sigma DP.
Or actually just any Sigma DP.
😂 is it worse???
@@MicroFourNerds If it helps illustrate anything, I don't think those cameras have AF-C 😅
It seems like a terrible camera, but it's a start. I hope it gains more traction and, in whatever way it can, pushes M43 forward. We've been getting nothing but the same sh** repurposed over and over again, it seems. The S9 was terrible. The EP7 hasn't quite caught on. The G9II seems great but a bit too pricey imo. Maybe in a year or two, YongNuo does something great with this concept.
Apart from anything it's huge! That shot at 1:03 of you holding it just looks horribly un-ergonomic. I wonder if it's a gambit by Yongnuo to have their operating system bought by larger companies.
Android 10 is now 5 years old. That's ancient in terms of computer operating systems. Unless the camera manufacturer is going to update the OS soon, this camera would be a "paper weight" in the very near future.
Just first step
Im so damn happy that Apple did not do a device like this.. because then I would be out of work :P
You showed the Alice Camera and the lack of proper reviews out there (at least that have popped up on my feed) makes me think something is wrong with it. Do you plan to do a proper review? I saw your preview from 11 months ago.
There has not been anything new to report since my initial review to be honest! Still no AF, or any of the other features we were waiting for
@@MicroFourNerds thanks for confirming my suspicions. I was on the list to buy an Alice Camera and instead picked up a GX85, some more primes, and an LX10. I'm very happy about that.
For me the greatest thing about cameras is that they are not connected to the internet and you cannot scroll through crap, but focus on making pictures. I hope shit like this will not be a thing and other brands will not follow.
I like the concept alot! But I dont understand how one of Samsungs most expensive phones has a "not that good camera" ...? Huh?
The fold line notoriously has a much worse camera than the Ultra range to differentiate them. It was suuuuchh a downgrade from my iPhone 12 when I got it. But I love everything else about it
Why android 10?😭 i was willing to ignore most of the bad things but why stay in android 10😭
The more I think about this "all-in-one" concept, the less it makes sense. Seamless transfer between camera and smartphone is all we need, and all we've needed for many years. Then you can edit/share from a considerably smaller/lighter and more capable device.
I don't understand how they can put so much energy, time and money to make an Android camera and not make at least the basic camera futures as good as a Olympus cheapest camera. Good idea but... if it doesn't work as good as a normal camera is just waste of time and money... any person understand you can't sell a product if it at least not up to what people expected from a basic camera. Plus able to update the android for at least 5-7 years
Ah, yeah, Android phones and 3rd-party apps - the reason I stay away from those after some really shitty experience with a cheaper Samsung smartphone. Interesting that it's exactly the same on this dedicated device.
10:20 That is no fault of the camera. That is an appallingly poor design from Instagram.