TV's Are Taking Over Home Theater Projectors

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  • Will TV's kill of projectors in home theaters?
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  • @marcgallant5270
    @marcgallant5270 4 месяца назад +37

    They're gonna force projector prices down, no choice or no one will buy them. Win/Win for the consumer.

    • @Christian.o.acevedo
      @Christian.o.acevedo 4 месяца назад

      Slightly unlikely depending on the setup

    • @we8463
      @we8463 4 месяца назад +2

      Let’s hope so, but I doubt it!

    • @mvsp120
      @mvsp120 3 месяца назад +1

      100% correct, end consumer will be benefitted

  • @jeffcunningham0389
    @jeffcunningham0389 4 месяца назад +13

    I got the Hisense 100” U8K for $2200 and man that thing has been a beast.

  • @johnbarsby8382
    @johnbarsby8382 4 месяца назад +2

    Modular TV panels imo is where the market will be to attain the very large sizes people seek. Reduces the shipping complexity to have a single large panel and will allow people to expand out (pun intended) to the wider aspect ratios.

  • @I_AM_HUGO
    @I_AM_HUGO 4 месяца назад +3

    Until they come out with a 120" OLED tv for $4000, I will stick with my UST with 120" ALR setup.

  • @shadowstep7817
    @shadowstep7817 4 месяца назад +2

    Doesn't really matter how "great" the picture quality gets to me. At a certain point, the tv or solid display wall will be so large that the sheer distance in physical separation of the front left/right (and probably center) will be great enough that it will make the sound noticeably worse. Even with extreme toe-in, the left & right channels will be so far apart that it'll be very audible and distracting.
    Even with some innovation of down-firing speakers from the ceiling to try and overcome this (seen in Shane's video of the 80 inch subwoofer), it'll never match the proper audio placement and quality of having the speakers (and therefore the sound) coming straight out of the screen like it's supposed to.
    From having played with this myself, the largest solid screen I'd be comfortable with for sound separation is an 83 inch. Any larger than that and it's too noticeable for sound separation and I'd need an AT screen.

  • @stopthefomo
    @stopthefomo 4 месяца назад +15

    115" is coming down to under $5K next year, insanity my friends. And for true HDR that's consistent with creator's intent? it's a no brainer. As for eye fatigue, set the brightness lower at a warmer temp (blue adjustment) which improves black levels even further on the TV. Projector is pretty much for 150" or larger for people sitting 14+ feet away (the ultra rich?). Remember that filmmakers are now approaching "TV first" as their creative directive for HDR which means the big cinema theaters will not be true to the creator's intent.

    • @steve1085
      @steve1085 4 месяца назад +1

      Not ultra rich, but do rock a 150" screen. I love how projectors look and like the experience, but if TVs get up near that range it'll be hard to pass on them

  • @LaughMuBai
    @LaughMuBai 3 месяца назад +1

    How big is your room? The average living room size ranges from 180 to 350 square feet (16.7 to 32.5 m2). Do you have a wall that can fit a 100" TV? Some suggest to sit closer depending on resolution. Currently 65" - 85" are more popular, which would suggest rooms/walls can accommodate larger screens. Make it so...

  • @ryandavis5379
    @ryandavis5379 4 месяца назад +8

    Iam a diehard theater only room kinda guy. Blacked out walls / Carpet with complete light control. 150inch Seymour screen with masking panels to change ratios. Its great that tvs are getting bigger but they are still way off to what you can do projector wise. Especially if you have a large room.

    • @styner3
      @styner3 4 месяца назад +1

      A large room like your is the thing limiting TV now, in my 110" dedicated theater I'll be switching to a TV and I've had a projector since 1993.

    • @we8463
      @we8463 4 месяца назад

      And lots of 💰💰💰💰

  • @invisibles362
    @invisibles362 4 месяца назад +18

    I think that Don is 100% right, tv will get bigger and more affordable.

  • @we8463
    @we8463 2 месяца назад

    I agree 100% I would love a 100” OLED! The issue with anything outside of OLED exposure to blue light will be always problematic!

  • @marlonedwards4566
    @marlonedwards4566 4 месяца назад +6

    Man!!!!Shane yet again another great topic and I’ve been a fan of consumer electronics for pretty much all my life and I’m 45 and seen it all you will definitely see a price plunge on these larger panels….and more brands appealing to the general market as you have ppl getting these video walls comprise of 4/65” TVs or even 70” with video matrix to get 150+…great stuff Shane keep em coming huge fan!!!!

  • @bassage13
    @bassage13 4 месяца назад +6

    Maybe someday, but it's going to be a loooong time before a TV can get big enough to replace my 2.35:1 (147" wide x 63" tall) screen.

  • @masterazlan6999
    @masterazlan6999 4 месяца назад

    Indeed. Peace!

  • @mwrightinsurance
    @mwrightinsurance 4 месяца назад +3

    I still want 3-D for my existing collection. Still fun to watch every once in a while. I also prefer the reflected image I bought a 77 inch OLED, and returned it because of it being way too bright in a blacked out room.

  • @frankvee
    @frankvee 4 месяца назад +7

    And we’ll be laying our center channel on the floor??🙄😝

    • @LEMON48
      @LEMON48 4 месяца назад +1

      😱 OMG

  • @vinmirarchi
    @vinmirarchi 4 месяца назад +9

    I have a 106" Stewart screen with a Sony 55es projector. Projector is maybe 6 years old? I can fit probably a maximum 115 inch? I would absolutely buy a 115 TV long before I'd buy another projector

    • @TheMeefive
      @TheMeefive 4 месяца назад

      I have a native 1080p,1200 ansi lumen projector, $189, 144.5 inch screen. I'll never buy another TV.

  • @TeressaWI8777
    @TeressaWI8777 4 месяца назад

    Great content again. Just a question from a different video of yours… when using the Denon “pre-out” mode is there a sound difference between 4800, 6700, 8500? I currently have the 4700, and considering to make the jump up. Thanks

  • @dabucstar2353
    @dabucstar2353 4 месяца назад +10

    I'm a 3D enthusiast with a very large collection of Blu-ray movies. I would not consider replacing my projector unless these TV's are 3D capable.

    • @carlosb8130
      @carlosb8130 4 месяца назад +3

      The Apple Vision Pro is Amazing with 3D movies 🍿

    • @mr.pangetako
      @mr.pangetako 4 месяца назад +1

      @@carlosb8130 too expensive. Considering you’ll have 5-7 family members that want to watch with you.

    • @paulrevere1479
      @paulrevere1479 3 месяца назад

      @@carlosb8130AVP has the best 3D ever. In theaters, home theaters or tvs, AVP is way beyond those formats. Loving it!

  • @audioexperience
    @audioexperience 4 месяца назад

    preach don

  • @cinemalord9055
    @cinemalord9055 4 месяца назад +2

    Im definitely 😊interested im going for it

  • @YouPube_X
    @YouPube_X 4 месяца назад +5

    Well i just found my new 📺

  • @Macroproxy
    @Macroproxy 4 месяца назад +2

    I agree with Don, but I'm curious about DSE on these big TVs. I bought a 75" Sony Z9D back in the day and it had really bad DSE even after replacing it twice when I bought it. I assume they have figured that out. Recently went to a 150" projector and it's a clean image, which is a very nice change. Also, there are some limitations with the TVs as I couldn't physically get a TV that big into my movie room without ripping out an exterior wall to crane lift it in there. Mine is on a third floor, but I would think many with basement rooms would suffer the same problems.

    • @therealshanelee
      @therealshanelee  4 месяца назад

      Come on Joe. Nothing wrong with a little remodel on the house.

    • @Macroproxy
      @Macroproxy 4 месяца назад

      @@therealshanelee You know not to call me Joe. ;-)

    • @therealshanelee
      @therealshanelee  4 месяца назад

      @@Macroproxy I know. It's Weers 😁

  • @highmodulus588
    @highmodulus588 4 месяца назад +4

    Only hang up for me using a TV is that I am used to having my LCR behind an AT screen.

    • @4foxsake604
      @4foxsake604 4 месяца назад

      I'm too OCD to give up my AT screen and I have tried blind testing the center placement. Maybe room, equipment, OH consumption but I can call it every time.

    • @Antimonkat
      @Antimonkat 4 месяца назад

      ​@@4foxsake604 there are solutions to that though whether doing the acoustic surface tech, or doing a LCR array with low and high speakers to create a phantom vertical center field. AT screens are great I have one, but you can't really do AT and ALR at the same time, not great anyway, and you do lose brightness and fidelity from the projector becasue of the weave, how perceivable? that's the question. Every tech has pros and cons, just a matter of picking which aspects are most important and fit within the budget you set.

    • @highmodulus588
      @highmodulus588 4 месяца назад +1

      I think Sony’s new receivers have some sound field setting where it raises the center channel imaging up? But even a well designed and treated room with a phantom center channel can be very convincing.

    • @michaelslocumbsr.2286
      @michaelslocumbsr.2286 4 месяца назад

      ​@@AntimonkatTry using a LF, LC, RC, RF speaker setup...Two speakers on each side of the video wall or TV ...

    • @Antimonkat
      @Antimonkat 4 месяца назад

      @@michaelslocumbsr.2286 right that's what I was saying. It works. I've seen people do it

  • @martinarrieta4536
    @martinarrieta4536 4 месяца назад +3

    The limit will be when people can’t get the TVs into their houses. Once you can’t fit a large TV in its packaging into a standard sized door, that’ll be it for size.

  • @TonyZ1717
    @TonyZ1717 4 месяца назад +9

    Digital Don is 100% Spot ON. The purists and audio/videophiles are a small % of the general public that might stay with a projector however the masses will now gravitate to bigger screen TVs that are becoming more and more affordable. Now it’s just having the space in the house. :)😊

  • @doyleshafer
    @doyleshafer 4 месяца назад +3

    Man how come I always miss these!!! And here I am trying to sell my acoustically transparent screen...1st world tears bro.

    • @therealshanelee
      @therealshanelee  4 месяца назад

      Always on Thursdays 😳

    • @doyleshafer
      @doyleshafer 4 месяца назад

      @@therealshanelee ...I drink too much.

  • @Emperor36
    @Emperor36 4 месяца назад +1

    @shanelee I just got the Hisense 100’ U76. I’m hoping that it’s not a lemon. I’ve seen reviews saying it’s a fifty/fifty chance of getting a great display. My finger are crossed 🤞🏻 though as some people have said that it looks amazing. I will give my honest opinion on this once it gets installed.

    • @therealshanelee
      @therealshanelee  4 месяца назад

      Congrats! Where did you get it from?

    • @Emperor36
      @Emperor36 4 месяца назад

      @@therealshanelee I bought it from Best Buy, I hope it’s going to be worth it, I see a lot of folks saying Hisense is not worth it but personally every TV is not made the same. I will give my opinion and review about this.

    • @therealshanelee
      @therealshanelee  4 месяца назад

      @@Emperor36 for the asking price it should be great.

  • @OzJustin
    @OzJustin 4 месяца назад

    What are your thoughts on centre speaker placement with say a 120in TV in future? That is the main hurdle I see coming from my 140in AT screen with large floor standing centre behind it. The centre would have to go at shin/knee level to fit if you don’t have high ceilings.

    • @therealshanelee
      @therealshanelee  4 месяца назад

      Here's an option in this video.
      ruclips.net/video/gxif7DX_XWg/видео.html

  • @tom6363
    @tom6363 4 месяца назад +2

    Someone needs to develop 110" to 120" dsiplay that is modular so it can be taken into spaces that are difficult to get a full size in (like narrow and corner turn staircases). I tried to get the Sony 98" but could not get up the stairs to my bonus room.

    • @Antimonkat
      @Antimonkat 4 месяца назад

      they are starting to. just really expensive to buy and install. not just Samsung too

  • @VividTheater
    @VividTheater 4 месяца назад +1

    I agree with Don, however I need my AT screen.

  • @TNiss54
    @TNiss54 4 месяца назад

    So, in my basement theatre I have a low ceiling where I just don’t have the headroom for a projector and my raised rear row of theatre seats. I have room for a 100” screen. Right now I have a Sony 85” tv. I am upgrading to the 100” Hisense!

  • @deanschmidt5566
    @deanschmidt5566 4 месяца назад +1

    I been a projector guy for over 17 years now. I got a JVC NZ9 last year and at the time I felt it would be my last projector. 20000 hours I should get 10-15 years out of it and at that time I hope they will have the micro led in 150” range for $20k.

    • @therealshanelee
      @therealshanelee  4 месяца назад +1

      I’m betting less than 10 yrs we see microled under $10k.

  • @joshbieker7388
    @joshbieker7388 4 месяца назад +2

    My wife gets motion sickness from movies pretty easily. She’s nowhere near as bad with the 100in Sony projector screen as she was with the 65in oled. It’s just easier on your eyes. I would never trade my projector for ultra bright tv again.

  • @techsamurai11
    @techsamurai11 4 месяца назад +3

    Expensive TVs need to start supporting 3d. It's getting ridiculous that they don't.
    Passive 3d and we're all set.

  • @1997inspire
    @1997inspire 4 месяца назад +6

    I guarantee that before the end of the year we will
    see a 130 inch LCD TV showcaced even if doesnt come to market this year.

  • @JewelFamily-zf1sm
    @JewelFamily-zf1sm 4 месяца назад +1

    In a lot of rooms there's nowhere to put a center channel with a large flat panel. If I put a large flat panel in my HTR then center channel would either be on the ceiling or only about 20" off the floor. Since I want my sound to be correct as well, I'll stick with a projector and AT screen as long as possible. Plus, I like running a 2.40:1 AR.

  • @John-ok8ts
    @John-ok8ts 4 месяца назад

    I use a drop screen and an oled behind so i sort of already get the best of both however when they bring out a 120 OLED that will be me. Can't see thst happening for a few years so by then my projector and tv will be due the upgrade. Now i just need to convince the wife it will be ok to block the windows all the tine.

  • @carywatson1146
    @carywatson1146 4 месяца назад +1

    I’ll wait until those 100+” tv’s also have good enough sound coming from the screen to realistically emulate the LCR that would be behind an acoustically transparent screen. For now, 77” oled for daily, sports, and gaming…125 inch acoustically transparent projector screen for movies.
    AND thank you! Great to see the progression unfold!

  • @bbump1828
    @bbump1828 4 месяца назад +6

    I’m team Don on this one. Projectors are cool but if it’s 120” and below give me a capable HDR display. I’ll take the center channel trade off for a far superior viewing experience.

  • @williamkramer9069
    @williamkramer9069 4 месяца назад +1

    I think the popularity of large tvs will lead to consumers wanting larger size speakers than soundbars which will be a good thing for the audio industry. I think projector manufacturers can capture some of the large tv customers by selling the idea of a retractable screen. Many people may not be able to dedicate 100 or 120 inches of space for a tv. Retractable screens can drop down walls with windows or fireplaces.

  • @theluvofaudio148
    @theluvofaudio148 4 месяца назад +2

    Projectors ability to zoom in for constant image height is important IMHO. TV just can’t do it. 120 inch 2.39:1 screen and zoom in/out is the way to go

  • @top6ear
    @top6ear 4 месяца назад +1

    I find projection to be more accurate for colour but I am open to seeing a giant TV.

  • @Nikita-P
    @Nikita-P 4 месяца назад +1

    I agree with Don consumers will move bigger and bigger TVs. Open Concept living rooms are staples of middle class homes and they have too many lights and windows no contest on large TV for now.

  • @Legotyres
    @Legotyres 4 месяца назад +1

    I’ve been saying this for years about TV taking over. The only spanner will be power consumption as this may stop very large TV as 8k resolution seems to be falling foul of this in Europe

  • @Darthbishop
    @Darthbishop 4 месяца назад

    All of my Home Theater iterations since 1999, have been CRT, rear projection, plasma, and OLED base screens. We purchased a new home 3 years ago and I decided to make my very first home theater with a front projector. My room size is 11.5 ft x 17 ft. I have two rows of seating. I have an NZ8 with a Stewart Screen that is AT. I absolutely love the clean look of not seeing the speakers at all and it saves me so much room! I truly feel that I’m in a personal commercial theater.
    I am not sure I would ever want to go with a large display screen like a micro LED or OLED. If we ever moved and I’m redesigning a home theater in the next 10 years, then maybe I would consider it and plan for it. But not in this room, that’s for sure.

  • @highmodulus588
    @highmodulus588 4 месяца назад +1

    I think tv panels will grow to where most home theaters can use them. Picture and brightness it is too hard for a projector to keep up

  • @arronslater6184
    @arronslater6184 4 месяца назад +1

    Once you get above 100inch you really need to switch to multiple panels. A 100 inch is pretty well 8ft the width of a semi trailer. Joining 4x 60inch or 70inch panels to make a 120inch or 140inch display.

  • @JS-shim
    @JS-shim 4 месяца назад +2

    I spoke with an acoustics expert and he said that it is too difficult to do the acoustics properly in theatres with giant TVs.

    • @peakoil-ko5oq
      @peakoil-ko5oq 4 месяца назад

      I'm currently running 2 center set up and it's extremely convincing

    • @wadimek116
      @wadimek116 4 месяца назад

      Not necessarily, you need 4 speakers on each side of a screen. Bottom upper could make decent center, some receivers like denon a1h can be configured for dual center

  • @ebroadnax1
    @ebroadnax1 4 месяца назад +2

    Hello Shane. Will you be doing a review on the 4K releases of Aliens, The Abyss and True Lies? I have come to mirror your opinions on 4k reviews and am hoping for some good numbers.

  • @BryceBarnette
    @BryceBarnette 4 месяца назад +2

    The ONLY reason I have a projector is for the 3D, so unless 3DTVs are becoming that big and that cheap then I'm definitely not considering a TV

  • @loum8966
    @loum8966 4 месяца назад

    Hisense and Barco are coming with a new UST. Light steering. Supposed to be better than PJs blacks but a touch behind OLEDs. That could be the real competition. BTW I have a TCL 98 QM8. Barely fit down my stairs and my ceiling being 7 ft wont spport a PJ. Hope Hisense and Barco come through.
    Just my 2 cents.

  • @perryking4180
    @perryking4180 4 месяца назад +1

    I like the TV but it will not fit in my basement at that size

  • @ultimateone624
    @ultimateone624 4 месяца назад +2

    Is not going to just affect the projector market but also the Madvr space with there tone mapping. Great talkv like always 👍

  • @raulgutierrez1501
    @raulgutierrez1501 4 месяца назад +3

    A 100" TV still looks better than a projector at 100 inches.

    • @JesusSavesSinners
      @JesusSavesSinners 2 месяца назад

      You have No Clue what you are Talking about!!!!
      Do you own a 100 inch TV????
      A Top End 100 inch TV will cost you $10,000.00.
      Hisense has a Junk 100 inch TV for $5,000.00. Hisense TV's are being Pushed by Corrupt RUclipsrs. They are Just Paid Advertising for Hisense.
      Hisense are the most Returned TV'S for Sale in the USA 🇺🇸. Hisense TVs are poorly Manufactured and most fail within 6 months of Purchase.
      I know I have worked in the AV Industry for 40 years.
      FYI Most Home Theaters with a Projector have a 150 inch Screen Size Not 100 inches. Any Living room can fit a 120 inch Projector Screen.
      TV's Larger than 65 inches so far have High Failure Rates. Within 2 Years more than 50% will have to be replaced or repaired. Typically they cost too much to repair so they have to be Replaced.
      I have had Two 70 inch TV's that failed within 6 months.

  • @styner3
    @styner3 4 месяца назад +7

    I've had a projector since 1993 and I love my current 4K 110" setup but instead of upgrading my projector, I'm buying a 110+" TV next upgrade.

  • @LEMON48
    @LEMON48 4 месяца назад

    Yeah,You raised a very interesting topic in this video but for next couple of years , this will concern mainly US consumers due you passion for large screens !!! IMO , here in EU people are just backward in this and often are affraid to buy bigger tv's 😂😂😂 I personally after 65 '' plasma vt60 switched for 83'' A90J and this size is just perfect for my small 13m2 room and now 98'' I am dreaming of ❤ which would be even better for max cinema experience but only as qd oled !!!! But prices 😜😜😜😜

  • @3D_Blu-ray_Bunker
    @3D_Blu-ray_Bunker 4 месяца назад +1

    When TVs get to an *actual* size to rival most people's projector screens, you won't be able to get them through the front door, let alone manoeuvre them into the movie room... Roll-up TV screens and modular TV screens may be the future for hardcore AV fans, but not *relatively* small LCD TVs like this. For the masses, sure, it's a great way to get a big image in the living room. For a dedicated theatre room of even a fairly modest size, no way. Just my opinion.

  • @RobZelinka
    @RobZelinka 4 месяца назад +1

    I would agree the market is indeed going to change. Change is the one constant in the world.
    I suppose there’s always someone who will argue picture quality is as good, or good enough from a projector. So many dynamics. Those aside, for me to switch back to a TV/Monitor, I would want better accommodations for multi aspect ratios

  • @danielnicolaiciuc8288
    @danielnicolaiciuc8288 4 месяца назад +1

    The projector image always look more natural and easy for the eyes.
    Never a TV will give the same experience no matter of the size or price.

  • @chriswhite8717
    @chriswhite8717 4 месяца назад +2

    I have a twenty foot wide screen. That’s TWENTY. A TV won’t give me that for less than the cost of a big home. I’ll take a projector any day because a TV absolutely cannot and will not give you the commercial cinema experience.

  • @Ghostrecon12
    @Ghostrecon12 4 месяца назад +1

    Myself I Believe 75" Is as big as you need...
    Because I noticed going even up to 85" the images & the people look warped to me...

  • @Joe-hh8gd
    @Joe-hh8gd 4 месяца назад +3

    As long as they refuse to add 3D, they are still gimped sets.

  • @TheVid54
    @TheVid54 4 месяца назад

    I grew up watching movies projected and still enjoy the uniqueness of it. I also enjoy looking at the glaringly bright experience offered by a lot of the new 4k movies, so a $2,000, 100-inch TV panel makes it easy to have both options going at once. I'd rather watch a 3D movie in projected 3D than in flat Dolby Vision 4K. I like a TV in every room.

  • @justincrossley1913
    @justincrossley1913 4 месяца назад +1

    The reliability of these TVs in consumer reports isn’t great could be dead in 5 years then you gotta recycle it better off buying Sony Samsung Lg

    • @JesusSavesSinners
      @JesusSavesSinners 2 месяца назад

      🎯 50% will fail within 6 months. 25% have cracked screens on arrival.
      These TV's are being way Over-Hyped.
      They are Not a Threat to people who have Real Home Theaters.
      All real Home Theaters use Projectors and the Typical Home Theater has a 150 inch Screen.
      I have built many Home Theaters and 150 inch size and Larger are easily the Most Popular.
      The Smallest Size is usually 120 inches, because even a small room can fit a 120 inch Fixed Screen on the Wall.
      I have put up 120 inch Screens in 10 x 10 rooms.

  • @ChadAV69
    @ChadAV69 4 месяца назад +1

    I respect Don’s experience but to me having the center speaker at ear height is really important. Once you get a 98” tv, your center channel is going to be on the floor. There’s no way I’d be ok with that.

  • @GIGyards
    @GIGyards 4 месяца назад +1

    They'd have to make an acoustically transparent TV before a lot of us out there would consider it

  • @Shift4g
    @Shift4g 4 месяца назад +2

    The only reason to use a projector was the scale factor. As that advantage diminishes with tv screen size increases, then they will be a technology that served a purpose only for the time they did imo.

  • @Lighthouse3D
    @Lighthouse3D 4 месяца назад +2

    If these big tvs did 3D sure why not, but I'm taking my 3D projector to my grave in the meantime

  • @christopherantalek6828
    @christopherantalek6828 4 месяца назад

    Big tvs (>85”+) are nice. But I love 120-150”+ projectors. “No replacement for displacement!”. However, the lack of large 4k/120 (HDMI 2.1) projectors at an attractive price is a problem for gaming and movie enthusiasts. I bought an 85” Hisense U8K (4k/120; 1,500 nits) on BF for $1,800, and it is spectacular! Fantastic for next gen gaming, sports, and 16:9 tv consumption. It will meet my needs for years to come. But, it does leave the door open for a 150” drop down scope screen and 4k anamorphic projector solution to be added later when the costs drop. I won’t need 4k/120 in that projector (but would love it!), as I am going with a two part solution ( because a one part solution doesn’t exist at a fair price, yet).

  • @chebrubin
    @chebrubin 4 месяца назад

    Andrew Robinson was on this 2 years ago.

    • @therealshanelee
      @therealshanelee  4 месяца назад +1

      I was on it 6 years ago 🔍

    • @chebrubin
      @chebrubin 4 месяца назад

      @therealshanelee a reply this quickly from SL is why we are here. Why we like you.
      My ex tore down my basement Home theater but not my joy for others. I have a 2023 TCL QM8 98" ready to go back so I can check out the same 2024 model. Very unclear who will have the winning 98" early in 2024?
      It was not Sony. I don't know a reviewer that gave much interest to the 2023 Sony 90L 98". Saw one at Audio Advice. Looked dim.

    • @therealshanelee
      @therealshanelee  4 месяца назад

      @@chebrubin Audioholics will have a video on the 90l soon.

    • @chebrubin
      @chebrubin 4 месяца назад

      @therealshanelee it's time we take back on the FoMo Verse. Bunch of OLED fanboys. Miss your Whiskey swinging videos with Brian. I think he had some plastic surgery.

  • @petermuwanula7142
    @petermuwanula7142 4 месяца назад

    this is interesting. Tjoooo.

  • @ke5943
    @ke5943 4 месяца назад +1

    Great conversation. Completely agree with all of this. The days of the projector are numbered, and I say that as someone who prefers the non reflective matt look of a projector screen. But even TVs like the Samsung frame and the new S95d oled are trying to offer this too. I also proffer the PJ as you can retract it with a rollable screen and not have a giant black box when not in use. Buy as much as it pains me, I see only two key uses for the projector market going forward.
    Firstly ‘lifestyle’ casual projectors. For the bedroom or travelling or garden etc. Most people don’t want a permanent big screen in their bedroom or kitchen and the portable projector you throw up on a wall without too much fuss will grow in popularity as prices come down.
    Secondly, the 150” inch plus screen is where projectors will still make sense. But what tiny percent of people even have the space for a screen that large?

  • @martinarrieta4536
    @martinarrieta4536 4 месяца назад +1

    It’s definitely going to put pressure on the lower end of projectors price wise.
    Even if it’s the same price, it’s more simple to setup a TV a regular person. You can actually see it demo’d in store versus needing a Magnolia at BestBuy type room.

  • @willmahoney2452
    @willmahoney2452 4 месяца назад

    I have a 85”/110” dual aspect drop down screen that I set up with my old 1080p set up that had an anamorphic lens. I work for a bit for profit so I’m not exactly drowning in disposable income, so when I upgraded to 4K I went with a 75” Sony TV, since native and even true/pixel shifter projectors are just outside a reasonable budget in my opinion. The whole idea of spending so much money for fewer features just rubs me the wrong way. MadVR is just out of my budget too. But to each their own.

  • @jj-lq2qj
    @jj-lq2qj 4 месяца назад +1

    TV,s still don’t have theatre experience and feel that I like no matter how big

  • @chavito808
    @chavito808 4 месяца назад

    Honestly, i thought having a projection screen with a projector would look better to emulate the feeling of being an acutal movie theater. Having tv meant more money to find the right size, resolution, and space to mount it. I couldn't figure out which is better. So in the end, for me, it was like "potato, po-tah-to".

  • @erod9088
    @erod9088 4 месяца назад +1

    Until you can do 150 inches with acoustically transparent ability that can fit through the halls and doors for under$20K, then it's apples and oranges.

  • @zztop7000
    @zztop7000 4 месяца назад

    The TV got alot bigger and cheaper now is competing with projector very scary. I thought TV will never catch up with projector. The prices also got alot cheaper. But one thing projector will never replace by TV is its cinematic experience is not the same.

  • @BM-tk1cn
    @BM-tk1cn 4 месяца назад +1

    They wont make a tv the size of my screen thats affordable for some time

  • @Edward135i
    @Edward135i 4 месяца назад +2

    I think big TVs are going to kill the lower end projector market no $2,000 projector will be able to compete with 100-in TV. Of course I don't think we'll be seen TVs at 150 in just because physically they'd be difficult to move and get into rooms One of the advantages of a projector screen is that it folds up

  • @nelsong27
    @nelsong27 4 месяца назад +1

    Come on projector price drops! #notvforme

  • @RyanDabrowskiBoilerUp
    @RyanDabrowskiBoilerUp 4 месяца назад

    Hmm, you know what I am waiting for, is a Dolby vision capable projector, but I could also buy another big tv, I’m talking about a tv bigger then 100” I’m coming from a 75 inch tv, which is not bad, by any means, but I want a bigger tv, if they make them that big, for I don’t see the blooming issue people complain about with a regular led tv…. So right now I will stick with a led, or I may venture into the oleds, or I should say the QD oleds, assuming Sony continues to make one with Dolby vision… for if Sony stops making a qd oled, before they make a great led tv, with almost no blooming then I will be upset…

  • @Killer_Nads
    @Killer_Nads 4 месяца назад

    130" is my breaking point, once TV's are this size and affordable i will make the switch away from projectors!

  • @craigosterberg5045
    @craigosterberg5045 4 месяца назад +2

    100 inch tv are getting bigger and cheaper. Those tv still weigh 150-200 pound. Projectors have to advance their technology to stay in the game.

  • @psyphonyxaudio
    @psyphonyxaudio 4 месяца назад

    I'd happily adjust my center channel position for a better Large TV. AT screens aside .. I would enjoy this for my gaming content more than I'd have to spend in a projector to get this level 4k 120hz in a projector.

  • @MuttleyMcButterpants
    @MuttleyMcButterpants 4 месяца назад +1

    I would definitely trade my 110" screen for a 98" or 100" display. I wouldn't have to worry about aging lamps, throw distances, warm-up times, avoiding keystoning, daytime viewing, increased room temperatures, or shadows on the screen. On the other hand, I am also one of the last 3D enthusiasts. Watching something like "Ready Player One" or "Avatar: The Way of Water" in 3D at 110" is still an amazing experience, and 3D TVs are long dead.

    • @therealshanelee
      @therealshanelee  4 месяца назад

      I’d keep an inexpensive dlp around for 3D and grab a drop down screen.

    • @techsamurai11
      @techsamurai11 4 месяца назад

      It's so frustrating that no new TV supports 3d. There are many people with libraries of 3d movies that we want to keep watching.

  • @alim998097
    @alim998097 4 месяца назад

    I also agree with Don. At the price point of $2k, for a 100" size a lot of the typical consumers will be gravitating towards that. I have a 120" screen and if they ever came out with a 110" panel around $3K, I would like go down in size for the increased nits and better HDR. The gap is getting closer and unless you have a gigantic room to house a 135" or 150" or more, most people will be quite happy with a 98"-100" screen size. And a lot of new build homes are starting to make smaller "media rooms" where it's actually difficult to fit a 120" screen size. There's always drawbacks to everything but it will vary person to person, as there is no absolute due to personal preferences and the infinite variables of each persons' setup. However with these lower price points, it truly is compelling for buyers to have an option without getting into a 2 piece setup. I don't think these large panels will kill projectors, but it's definitely going to dampen any growth.

  • @Antimonkat
    @Antimonkat 4 месяца назад +1

    100" and under, projector never made sence to me anyway, always go with the tv, but over 100", 120", 150" That's where for me projectors enter the market. I dont think this is going to affect long throw much, not for awhile. Most people aren't running long throw for a 110" ALR screen. Short throw manufactures should be scared though, tv is easier to set up, looks better and cost about the same or less now. I also think direct view single panal tv's have hit their max size. They are already too big, too heavy, too fragile, to hard to ship, too hard to manufacture without defect, eat up too much mother glass, bordering on too big to get in and around your house. Bigger than maybe max 120" we'll need to go to some sort of tile whether mini/micro led, or oled. It solves a lot of issues, just waiting on the cost to come down.

  • @Wised1000
    @Wised1000 4 месяца назад

    They should since they look a lot better! Lets face it projectors dont look that great. I agree 💯 with your commentator. Regardless I really big screens or monitors are silly IMO.

    • @JesusSavesSinners
      @JesusSavesSinners 2 месяца назад

      You have No Clue what you are saying.
      Do you Even own a 4K Projector????
      My 4K Projector with my 150 inch Screen blows away any TV you can buy.

    • @Wised1000
      @Wised1000 2 месяца назад

      @JesusSavesSinners Apparently you dont. The contrast ratio, black level and color dynamic ratio of an OLED (or any pixel are orders of magnitud higher than any projector. It's called physics, dufus since the projected image must travel through feet of air it suffers from diffraction. It's impossible for it to ever compare to the actual glowing pixel looked at directly. Duh....
      Looks like Jesus doesn't teach science! A 150 in OLED would look infinitely better.

    • @JesusSavesSinners
      @JesusSavesSinners 2 месяца назад

      @@Wised1000
      I have Been a Quality Engineer for TV's for Advanced Electronics for 40 years.
      TV'S and Projectors are 2 Different Technologies. TV'S are Not Suitable for Home Theaters!!!!
      You have Never been to a Movie Theater that used a TV.
      TV'S are Engineered for Bright Rooms. All the Visuals are Extremely Overly Bright The Colors are Excessively High in Brightness Levels they look Unnatural in a Dark Room. OLED TV's are Excessively Bright and they hurt the eyes in a Dark Room. You are Not supposed to Watch an OLED TV with the lights off.
      Projectors (4K) are Much more realistic looking than TV'S. TV'S don't look True to Life / Realistic. Projectors capture real life Much Better they look Natural, True to Life. Projectors are made to be viewed in a Dark Room.
      You obviously have No Clue what you are saying. You think you know something because you are reading off a specification sheet.
      Anyone who has a Good 4K Projector knows that it is Plenty Bright. Most Good 4K Projectors when you Professionally set them up you have to Turn the Brightness Levels down. There is No Lack of Brightness Levels on Good 4K Projectors.
      OLED TV'S were Not Engineered to Watch in Dark Rooms!!!! The Fact you want to compare OLED TV'S Specifications to a 4K Projector shows how Ignorant you are about Both 4K TV'S and Projectors.
      My 4K Projector and my 150 inch Screen Picture Quality Looks Better than you will Ever see in the Movie Theater.

  • @dragonstone6594
    @dragonstone6594 4 месяца назад +1

    You could buy 4 of these combine them together and have yourself 200" 8K screen for $8K. Think about that!

    • @erod9088
      @erod9088 4 месяца назад

      There will be distinct lines between the TVs, and they'll be near impossible to calibrate to the same brightness and color. And where will you put the center channel?

    • @IceColdKeiz
      @IceColdKeiz 4 месяца назад

      @@erod9088 Have you heard of a phantom center? AVR receiver and processors can make a decent phantom center with just the L and R speakers while still giving you great separation of the surround speakers. It's a more realistic way of hearing a voices and objects around you with a phantom center in my opinion. The only downside is the quality of speakers you are willing to spend on for that amazing phantom center to really come alive.

  • @mauriciob8260
    @mauriciob8260 4 месяца назад

    I'm in the same boat , currently I use a budget 4k *HDR??) Viewsonic Projector on 135 inches screen , picture quality is kind of ok but a 115 4k Dolby Vision HDR Tv will crush the image quality on any projector and the best part you don't need to wait until night arrive or spend big money on expensive ALR screen when you can watch a movie anytime with your 100 inches and plus 4K TV

  • @Wuskers69
    @Wuskers69 4 месяца назад

    That feeling when your screen is 200+ inches 😔

  • @WindomRettes
    @WindomRettes 4 месяца назад

    Triple D right again!

  • @Quetzalcoatl0
    @Quetzalcoatl0 4 месяца назад +1

    Don is 100% right.
    People who buy UST, are to replace small TVs with a bigger "TV". They don't care about audio, they want big image. These 100-115 inch TVs are gonna replace UST projectors.
    There will always be people who like are gonna be 90% image quality 10% audio, they will go with TV and put a soundbar pointing at their feet.
    and there will be people who are gonna be 50% image quality and 50% audio, these people will buy projectors with AT screens.
    If you buy a projector and you don't have an AT screen so you can put the speakers where they SHOULD be, 2/3 the height of the image ? What is wrong with you, get a TV.

  • @michaell2120
    @michaell2120 4 месяца назад

    The projector in a domestic situation is done for. I like projectors and have had them for decades but the rationale for them is changing rapidly as the economics change for flat panels and LED arrays. Future generations may see projectors of all types as a curiousity from another time. Like having a Kodak 35mm slide projector now, just ask my kids.

  • @peat381low8
    @peat381low8 4 месяца назад

    I’d rather have a 85’ tv with bright Dolby Vision for my modern shows streaming that I watch constantly then a dim 120’ projector that barely gets 10-bit color but the highlights are just like a painting on a picture. The only thing projectors have is CinemaScope screen with speakers 🔊 behind the screen. That’s it. Color belongs to tvs like sony and samsung.

  • @onlyvik
    @onlyvik 4 месяца назад

    Projectors were never main stream always a niche market. I will never pick a tv above a projector myself. With bigger tv's you also produce more acoustical problems because you have a big reflection point.

  • @49ers50
    @49ers50 4 месяца назад

    Mr Andrew Robinson.. predicted this last year Tv is the killer of projector…. Wait to they add Dolby Vision to those 200in wall tv … Ball Game

  • @we8463
    @we8463 4 месяца назад

    Thank you to Hisense and TCL for making large TVs more affordable! I want a 97” OLED for $5,000 and I will trade in my projector. The problem with JVC and Sony laser projector is that they are so expensive and they basically have pushed a lot of people out from projector systems! Are any of you Ophthalmologist to speak about eye fatigue 😂

  • @leecm
    @leecm 4 месяца назад

    Microled panels will eventually kill 99% of the projector market once the price point gets low enough. That is probably 20+ years away though.