I'm still undecided whether Damon stops because he cares for her and decides he doesn't want to go through with it or because she takes control and the loss of control affects his previously demonstrated performance issues.
I think if Daemon knew Otto's little birds were watching, it was a huge gamble for him knowing his brother banished him again after how many days? Daemon found a way to get in trouble after 4 years being gone and it only took a day, perhaps? 🤣 But he did get Otto fired by letting the crowd see who they were. A commenter said Daemon tried to frame Rhaenyra so he can marry her knowing since she's already deflowered, no man would take her. Perhaps. Another is he got limp again (show runners said this) but also because he was feeling guilty. He cares about Rhaenyra and doesn't want to use her as a pawn. The other being Daemon wanted to get back at Viserys. Perhaps it's all of the above? Why can't it be all of them? Whatever you think it is, he got Otto fired. Whether that was intentional or not, Otto still got fired. No way Viserys is going to choose Otto over Rhaenyra even if he believes in what Otto said more. Perception matters. Not truth. If Rhaenyra goes down, her father goes down. So Otto became the fall guy whether Daemon broke Rhaenyra's virginity or not and whether Otto was just doing his job. Again, what Daemon proved was third-party accounts aren't reliable especially if they're biased and working for certain people. For all we know, Daemon saying "heir for a day" was taken out of context. We actually never heard him say that in the show. I don't really buy the idea that Daemon tried seducing Rhaenyra to get back at Viserys. The sweetest moment we've seen was Viserys and Daemon share a hug. If Daemon was doing this out of spite towards his brother, then why make a big deal he returned? Why not sneak back to KL and do this? He came back wanting this to be a celebration. This ruins their brotherly love moment. I know the show runners are saying this but I believe Daemon wanted to get back at Otto. If it was Viserys he was trying to get back at, then maybe the reason he went limp was because he got back with his brother on good terms and didn't realize how great it felt hugging him? He realized he cares too much for Viserys and Rhaenyra and didn't really want to spite Viserys once he felt that guilt.
@@theshamelist Yes, the directors mention that his impotence in the scene is due to the fact that he knows using her like that isn't right and also because of her being excited and taking control as well.
There's kingguards who broke the vow of celibacy, they cut his ball and send him to the wall. For Cole the punishment would be more severe, he would lose his head that for sure. And they going after his family, make sure Cole lineage erased from history book....so yeah, Rhaenyra bring a lot of troubles for Ser Cole 😬
I think they only do that if they father children on high born ladies. There are kings guard who go to pleasure dens and father children on common born women and they overlook it. He definitely would his head on a spike for deflowering Rhaenyra though. She is not only a Princess but also the heir.
The disgraced Kingsguard is talked about in the book Fire and Blood. Ser Lucamor Strong (those Strongs can’t seem to stay out of trouble 😂) who is better known as Ser Lucamor the Lusty. Who had atleast two secret families until he go busted.
@12:25 "but does he say yes" for reference I'm 35 now but when I was 16, my best friends older female cousin who was a trucker (she was 34) was hounding me, even after I showed her my sophomore year HS identification card she didn't give a damn, now I had already lost my V card 2 years prior (officially I was 6....horrible family member who's serving 40+ years) but the way she came at me made me feel hella uncomfortable. So to anyone acting like men/boys can't say no.....can go chew on glass... btw I'm not ashamed of the actions and never let it hold me down.
I actually really disagree that Daemon is manipulative. I think his entire personality can be summed up with him being an impulsive messy bitch and him loving his family. Literally every single thing he has done in the show can be traced back to one or the other (or both) of those two traits. Even the stuff that took planning, like taking the dragon egg can be traced to him wanting to speak to his brother, it's the first thing he asks when Otto shows up for it. Like, I want my brother to come to Dragonstone so I can ask him to come home, lets steal a dragon egg. And people don't realize(partly because the show is obfuscating it atm) that marrying Rhaenyra will not give anyone Kingship. because it's a feudal state dependant on oaths of fealty, the best any spouse of Rhaenyra's would have is the type of power Alicent has, unless they were granted more by Rhaenyra. So Daemon wanting to marry her is actually a big admittance that he doesn't actually care about being King. He would gain nothing he does not already have as Prince, other than Rhaenyra herself. The only person who doesn't treat him like a ticking time bomb.
I have a feeling that this won’t end well for Cole, the power dynamic just wouldn’t allow it either way, will be so awkward if one of them has feelings but not the other.
Of course it won't work out. He's a knight of the king's guard. He took an oath to forfeit titles and inheritance and to not take a wife or father children, basically a vow of abstinence. Now there are kings guard who father bastard children on common born and working girls. It's generally frowned on but not a big issue. However he slept with the Princess. He " sullied " her and now she isn't a virgin therefore decreasing her value as a political bargaining chip. He absolutely would be sentenced to death if the king finds out. He did have a choice. He had many chances to stop but he gave in. He was hesitant yes, but he's been carrying a torch for her as well and gave in to his feelings for her. There have been members of the king's guard who have turned down propositions from royal members before because they would never break their oat and disgrace themselves. Even if it meant making a powerful enemy in the process.
@@Freya1412 And yet, had the situation been reversed and Cole been a noble and Rhaenyra common, people would scream to high heaven about the power imbalance. It's hypocrisy.
im so glad Alicent is still defending and protecting Rhaenyra! she seems to truly love her and is trying to do whats best for her. And Rhaenyra is back to being ok with Alicent
I don't think it's proof necessarily that the King does not believe her. I see it as, at this point, he doesn't care what the truth is, or who is lying. He's just not going to take any chances either way.
Daemon didn't go through with it because he couldn't. Physically. He couldn't get hard. That's why he was so frustrated. And that makes two such instances of ED for him in only four episodes. It must be setting the table for something later in the season.
She's doomed either way when it comes to the Plan B tea. If she drinks it that means she actually did something and she lied. If she doesn't drink it and she ends up pregnant that means she did something and lied. 😳😳
I just want to say in relation of Otto, Rhaenyra and Daemon, it’s good to keep in mind what GRRM said. Nobody in this book is purely good or purely bad. I think it genuinely hurt Otto to report about Rhaenyra in the brothel, he still cares about Vyseris. But he is also obviously a calculating dick who used her daughter to become part of the royal family.
Deamon is actually not a bad guy and knew Otto would have spies around so he did it more to get Otto to tell the king so that the king would basically fire Otto, deamon loves his family,and its pretty obvious from the trailers that rhaenyra gets with deamon, I'm waiting for everyones reaction to when the dance starts and who is on who's side I think you'll be surprised
In Game of Thrones we saw incest of cersei and jaimes and that is very wrong and not because they are brothers because in the Targaryen family there is a lot of that and it is normal in the family for example Daemon's countries is viserys they are brothers and they are tired and viserys he is married to his cousin who is a mother and Rhaenyra so it is super normal the incest more than Cersei is Jaimes there yes and wrong Because they are not Targaryen if it was Targaryen then it's ok they can be together but they are not Targaryen that's why na series they hide it because they know it's wrong what they are doing that is incest they can't but if they were targaryen then no one is bothering them but they aren't targaryen so they can't be related it's only targaryen who can to incest because it is the Targaryen family custom to incest The Daemon likes Rhaenyra the daemon wanted to show Rhaenyra things because Rhaenyra doesn't know anything outside the kingdom the daemon's plan I believe the daemon wanted people to see them together and they say the princess went into a brothel with her uncle so much as soon as the daemon took off rhaenyra's hood and hat before entering the brothel but the daemon gives up and walks away too bad because he left her alone and rhaenyra and christian's relationship was also wrong because christian he is a knight and he soiled his white robe, remembering that Christian is older than Daemon, so age doesn't matter in this universe, just like incest doesn't matter because that's normal in the Targaryen family. I'm already used to it because I read George Martin's books and in the stories he tells about the Targaryen family, they all have incest. Incest is the most normal thing in this universe I didn't like the way Alicent talked to Rhaenyra if she wants help friend no and just like you approach a friend Alicent is jealous of her Rhaenyra because Rhaenyra slept with whoever she wanted, she doesn't have to sleep with an old man, you'll understand yet more later Alicent is jealous of Rhaenyra's life in the book shows more See the difference in the scenes when the daemon talks to Rhaenyra talking even though she is married he can feel pleasure with whoever she wants in the Alicent scene and viserys Alicent is not feeling pleasure already in the Rhaenyra scene and Daemon Rhaenyra is feeling pleasure even if it was the kiss but she is enjoying it more after she sleeps with Christian and she feels pleasure there you can see In the throne scene, when the daemon says that viserys can do what he wants, because he is the king, he rules him and the law, he is a Targaryen, this is true, as it is also true when viserys tells Alicent that the daemon and rhaenyra are dragons are restless that's true too
Thank you for asking! Until this show, we couldn't find much that neither of us had seen, and we got a lot of comments on our previous videos that people enjoyed the humor of one of us knowing and the other not. So we decided to stick to that format for the time being. We're a new channel though, so we're still experimenting, and may try both of us blind going forward to see what works better. ❤️Jacqui
Would love to see both your reactions on a random movie every once in a while maybe? Or reverse role? Again I don’t care either way was only curious. You guys do you!
We do reverse sometimes. We found when we started that I had seen more TV, and he had seen more movies, so that kind of balances who gets to be the one in the know. And we have a few movies coming up where we both go in blind, so we'll see how they go! Glad you're enjoying either way! ❤️Jacqui
There's nothing to suggest Aegon I wasn't the father of Aenys I. The prophecy is alive and well, I have a pretty good idea where GRRM is going with it.
The TV writers completely whitewashed Alicent. She's not this likeable. I figure they needed to make Alicent more likeable to keep viewers evenly divided between her and Rhaenyra.
the book was badly written on this front. alicent was a 1 dimensional evil stepmother. that made alot of people be anti-green. in game of thrones, the lines are pretty clearly divided between a good house vs bad houses. the Dance should be more complex than that. and its not "whitewashing" to give a villain more layers and depth.
I'm still undecided whether Damon stops because he cares for her and decides he doesn't want to go through with it or because she takes control and the loss of control affects his previously demonstrated performance issues.
I think it could be a bit of both? ❤️Jacqui
I think if Daemon knew Otto's little birds were watching, it was a huge gamble for him knowing his brother banished him again after how many days? Daemon found a way to get in trouble after 4 years being gone and it only took a day, perhaps? 🤣 But he did get Otto fired by letting the crowd see who they were.
A commenter said Daemon tried to frame Rhaenyra so he can marry her knowing since she's already deflowered, no man would take her. Perhaps. Another is he got limp again (show runners said this) but also because he was feeling guilty. He cares about Rhaenyra and doesn't want to use her as a pawn. The other being Daemon wanted to get back at Viserys.
Perhaps it's all of the above? Why can't it be all of them? Whatever you think it is, he got Otto fired. Whether that was intentional or not, Otto still got fired. No way Viserys is going to choose Otto over Rhaenyra even if he believes in what Otto said more. Perception matters. Not truth. If Rhaenyra goes down, her father goes down.
So Otto became the fall guy whether Daemon broke Rhaenyra's virginity or not and whether Otto was just doing his job. Again, what Daemon proved was third-party accounts aren't reliable especially if they're biased and working for certain people. For all we know, Daemon saying "heir for a day" was taken out of context. We actually never heard him say that in the show.
I don't really buy the idea that Daemon tried seducing Rhaenyra to get back at Viserys. The sweetest moment we've seen was Viserys and Daemon share a hug. If Daemon was doing this out of spite towards his brother, then why make a big deal he returned? Why not sneak back to KL and do this? He came back wanting this to be a celebration. This ruins their brotherly love moment.
I know the show runners are saying this but I believe Daemon wanted to get back at Otto. If it was Viserys he was trying to get back at, then maybe the reason he went limp was because he got back with his brother on good terms and didn't realize how great it felt hugging him? He realized he cares too much for Viserys and Rhaenyra and didn't really want to spite Viserys once he felt that guilt.
@@theshamelist Yes, the directors mention that his impotence in the scene is due to the fact that he knows using her like that isn't right and also because of her being excited and taking control as well.
Actually the reason Daemon stopped was because of his erectile dysfunction.
@@Dec4AllTimeAlways Oh, he knew. That's why he took her hat off. He was compromising her virtue so Viserys would be forced to marry her to him.
There's kingguards who broke the vow of celibacy, they cut his ball and send him to the wall. For Cole the punishment would be more severe, he would lose his head that for sure. And they going after his family, make sure Cole lineage erased from history book....so yeah, Rhaenyra bring a lot of troubles for Ser Cole 😬
I think they only do that if they father children on high born ladies. There are kings guard who go to pleasure dens and father children on common born women and they overlook it. He definitely would his head on a spike for deflowering Rhaenyra though. She is not only a Princess but also the heir.
Tbf, screw Cole. Him and his treason committing ass deserve what happens to him.
The disgraced Kingsguard is talked about in the book Fire and Blood. Ser Lucamor Strong (those Strongs can’t seem to stay out of trouble 😂) who is better known as Ser Lucamor the Lusty. Who had atleast two secret families until he go busted.
I took the moon tea scene to mean that Viserys was saying, hey, even if you did do it, I’m still going to be on your side and protect you
@12:25 "but does he say yes" for reference I'm 35 now but when I was 16, my best friends older female cousin who was a trucker (she was 34) was hounding me, even after I showed her my sophomore year HS identification card she didn't give a damn, now I had already lost my V card 2 years prior (officially I was 6....horrible family member who's serving 40+ years) but the way she came at me made me feel hella uncomfortable. So to anyone acting like men/boys can't say no.....can go chew on glass... btw I'm not ashamed of the actions and never let it hold me down.
I actually really disagree that Daemon is manipulative. I think his entire personality can be summed up with him being an impulsive messy bitch and him loving his family.
Literally every single thing he has done in the show can be traced back to one or the other (or both) of those two traits. Even the stuff that took planning, like taking the dragon egg can be traced to him wanting to speak to his brother, it's the first thing he asks when Otto shows up for it. Like, I want my brother to come to Dragonstone so I can ask him to come home, lets steal a dragon egg.
And people don't realize(partly because the show is obfuscating it atm) that marrying Rhaenyra will not give anyone Kingship. because it's a feudal state dependant on oaths of fealty, the best any spouse of Rhaenyra's would have is the type of power Alicent has, unless they were granted more by Rhaenyra. So Daemon wanting to marry her is actually a big admittance that he doesn't actually care about being King. He would gain nothing he does not already have as Prince, other than Rhaenyra herself. The only person who doesn't treat him like a ticking time bomb.
Well said! ❤
I have a feeling that this won’t end well for Cole, the power dynamic just wouldn’t allow it either way, will be so awkward if one of them has feelings but not the other.
Exactly...cole isn't strong enough for rehnerhya
Of course it won't work out. He's a knight of the king's guard. He took an oath to forfeit titles and inheritance and to not take a wife or father children, basically a vow of abstinence. Now there are kings guard who father bastard children on common born and working girls. It's generally frowned on but not a big issue. However he slept with the Princess. He " sullied " her and now she isn't a virgin therefore decreasing her value as a political bargaining chip. He absolutely would be sentenced to death if the king finds out. He did have a choice. He had many chances to stop but he gave in. He was hesitant yes, but he's been carrying a torch for her as well and gave in to his feelings for her. There have been members of the king's guard who have turned down propositions from royal members before because they would never break their oat and disgrace themselves. Even if it meant making a powerful enemy in the process.
@@Freya1412 True, and I agree although they both made their choice and both sacrificed the bullshit demands that the realm had set them
@@Freya1412 And yet, had the situation been reversed and Cole been a noble and Rhaenyra common, people would scream to high heaven about the power imbalance. It's hypocrisy.
im so glad Alicent is still defending and protecting Rhaenyra! she seems to truly love her and is trying to do whats best for her. And Rhaenyra is back to being ok with Alicent
Agreed! I think it's so unnecessary to pit them against each other right now. Just let them be happy! ❤️Jacqui
Jacob Anderson is also playing louis in the tv adaptation of Interview with the Vampire
I don't think it's proof necessarily that the King does not believe her. I see it as, at this point, he doesn't care what the truth is, or who is lying. He's just not going to take any chances either way.
Daemon didn't go through with it because he couldn't. Physically. He couldn't get hard. That's why he was so frustrated. And that makes two such instances of ED for him in only four episodes. It must be setting the table for something later in the season.
She's doomed either way when it comes to the Plan B tea. If she drinks it that means she actually did something and she lied. If she doesn't drink it and she ends up pregnant that means she did something and lied. 😳😳
unless she marries quickly and passes it off as her dear husband's legitimate child😉
@@Freya1412 right.....a Cersei move 😂
The linguist did some of the languages for Star Wars as well.
Wait a sec, Rhaenyra is Princess Cake now? What, like Marie Antoinette? I love it.
"I never jest about cake" - Rhaenyra Targaryen aka The Whore of Dragonstone.
I just want to say in relation of Otto, Rhaenyra and Daemon, it’s good to keep in mind what GRRM said. Nobody in this book is purely good or purely bad.
I think it genuinely hurt Otto to report about Rhaenyra in the brothel, he still cares about Vyseris. But he is also obviously a calculating dick who used her daughter to become part of the royal family.
"Vegas! Paris! A brothel!" Why is the capital of my nation on this list ? ^^
Deamon is actually not a bad guy and knew Otto would have spies around so he did it more to get Otto to tell the king so that the king would basically fire Otto, deamon loves his family,and its pretty obvious from the trailers that rhaenyra gets with deamon, I'm waiting for everyones reaction to when the dance starts and who is on who's side I think you'll be surprised
I think Dadgaryen knows his daughter only too well! #SerCriston
Your reactions were hilarious
Ohhh i was like Sam with Rhae and Criston! 🥰🥵
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In Game of Thrones we saw incest of cersei and jaimes and that is very wrong and not because they are brothers because in the Targaryen family there is a lot of that and it is normal in the family for example Daemon's countries is viserys they are brothers and they are tired and viserys he is married to his cousin who is a mother and Rhaenyra so it is super normal the incest more than Cersei is Jaimes there yes and wrong Because they are not Targaryen if it was Targaryen then it's ok they can be together but they are not Targaryen that's why na series they hide it because they know it's wrong what they are doing that is incest they can't but if they were targaryen then no one is bothering them but they aren't targaryen so they can't be related it's only targaryen who can to incest because it is the Targaryen family custom to incest
The Daemon likes Rhaenyra the daemon wanted to show Rhaenyra things because Rhaenyra doesn't know anything outside the kingdom the daemon's plan I believe the daemon wanted people to see them together and they say the princess went into a brothel with her uncle so much as soon as the daemon took off rhaenyra's hood and hat before entering the brothel but the daemon gives up and walks away too bad because he left her alone and rhaenyra and christian's relationship was also wrong because christian he is a knight and he soiled his white robe, remembering that Christian is older than Daemon, so age doesn't matter in this universe, just like incest doesn't matter because that's normal in the Targaryen family. I'm already used to it because I read George Martin's books and in the stories he tells about the Targaryen family, they all have incest. Incest is the most normal thing in this universe
I didn't like the way Alicent talked to Rhaenyra if she wants help friend no and just like you approach a friend Alicent is jealous of her Rhaenyra because Rhaenyra slept with whoever she wanted, she doesn't have to sleep with an old man, you'll understand yet more later Alicent is jealous of Rhaenyra's life in the book shows more
See the difference in the scenes when the daemon talks to Rhaenyra talking even though she is married he can feel pleasure with whoever she wants in the Alicent scene and viserys Alicent is not feeling pleasure already in the Rhaenyra scene and Daemon Rhaenyra is feeling pleasure even if it was the kiss but she is enjoying it more after she sleeps with Christian and she feels pleasure there you can see
In the throne scene, when the daemon says that viserys can do what he wants, because he is the king, he rules him and the law, he is a Targaryen, this is true, as it is also true when viserys tells Alicent that the daemon and rhaenyra are dragons are restless that's true too
How come you both don’t wait to watch for the first time on the channel. Only curious.
Thank you for asking! Until this show, we couldn't find much that neither of us had seen, and we got a lot of comments on our previous videos that people enjoyed the humor of one of us knowing and the other not. So we decided to stick to that format for the time being. We're a new channel though, so we're still experimenting, and may try both of us blind going forward to see what works better. ❤️Jacqui
@@theshamelist I was pretty sure that was going to be the answer considering the close ups all the time. 😂 Sounds good! I enjoy either way.
Would love to see both your reactions on a random movie every once in a while maybe? Or reverse role? Again I don’t care either way was only curious. You guys do you!
We do reverse sometimes. We found when we started that I had seen more TV, and he had seen more movies, so that kind of balances who gets to be the one in the know. And we have a few movies coming up where we both go in blind, so we'll see how they go! Glad you're enjoying either way! ❤️Jacqui
he looked very uncomfortable to say no and he actually said STOP
but he's a guy not a girl so who cares...right 🤨
the Prophecy on the Dagger may have FAILED from the start because Aegon I may not have been the father of his wives children. His line ended with him.
There's nothing to suggest Aegon I wasn't the father of Aenys I. The prophecy is alive and well, I have a pretty good idea where GRRM is going with it.
The TV writers completely whitewashed Alicent. She's not this likeable. I figure they needed to make Alicent more likeable to keep viewers evenly divided between her and Rhaenyra.
and thats a problem because?
the book was badly written on this front. alicent was a 1 dimensional evil stepmother. that made alot of people be anti-green. in game of thrones, the lines are pretty clearly divided between a good house vs bad houses. the Dance should be more complex than that. and its not "whitewashing" to give a villain more layers and depth.
they could be making her start out good and as the years get closer to the dance of the dragons she gets more evil
Rhaenyra is eaten by her half-brother's dragon.