I'm living in Papua New Guinea, which has, despite its rugged terrain, a very good aviation safety record, and my son is a captain with Air Nuigini, the national carrier, flying the Dash 8 at the moment. Air Nuigini's domestic rival, PNG Air, flies some ATR planes. Some time ago, way before this ATR crash that has just now happened in Brazil, I had asked him for his opinion about the ATR planes and I remember him answering that it is said to have an icing problem.
Don't blame the plane, blame the pilots. Smaller aircraft tend to have pilots with less experience and from airlines/regions with subpar safety practices.
As a 25-year-old person who has spent 16 years of his life as an aviation fan, I describe the ATR-72 as the worst airplane still flying. The dhc-8 q400 is countless times more successful than this faulty aircraft. I don't understand why people like the atr-42/72 series. Fokker 50, which has been out of production for 30 years, is many times better than this plane. On the other hand, Soviet aviation spent more effort on turboprop aircraft. The fruits of this labor reached their peak with province-18. Although they could not hold on to the market after the collapse of the Soviets, they were able to produce beautiful machines such as Ilyushin IL-114 and Antonov An-140. In addition to the DHC-8 Q400 and Fokker 50 that I have mentioned before, the designs of western aircraft designers such as Saab 2000 and Bae Atp are all more reliable and robust machines. I fly as a passenger on all the models I mentioned above, but I do not fly on ATR-42/72 series aircraft. I don't believe these planes are safe either. It's even hard to believe that engineers designed these machines. If I didn't know better, I would say that this plane was designed by turners and welders. In my opinion, these models full of design errors should have been a bigger crisis than the Boeing 737MAX, but when the number of deaths was low in accordance with the passenger capacity of the plane, no one even cared. The last one, I don't know how many accidents have occurred due to similar reasons, yet why do they still allow them to fly? This plane is dangerous even for people on the ground. The life of anyone who buys a plane ticket cannot be entrusted to primitive, inflatable rubber icebreakers, which are proven to have insufficient surface area on the wing and horizontal stabilizer surfaces of this flying bolt box, and which, even with the improvements made, cannot reach the sufficient surface area stated by the FAA in its report. Sorry ATR fans, but theese are unpleasant facts.
The only reason the ATR sells well is that it is cheaper that the dash 8 family. In all other respects it is inferior.The first crash of an ATR owing to icing was American Eagle flight 4184 in 1994. ATR said at the time they would fix the icing problem. We're still waiting....
The Dash 8 is probably the fastest propeller-driven airliner on sale now, but there have been faster ones in the past such as the SAAB 2000 and the fastest of all the Tupolev 114.
What I see especially in Italy and Spain, now also France, is that the 1000 to 1500 km ranges are being taken over by high speed or night trains. A much better option in the long run. City to city, so no long congested transfers, much less noise, pollution, more comfort and room, and if high subsidies on fuel prices for aircraft are no longer maintained, at competitive prices. The only thing that keeps many airlines in the air is the subsidy at the cost of taxpayers on the ground.
ATR cant carry 90 passengers, even 80 passengers can accommodate is in high density configuration with less legrooms . But it is best and affordable aircraft for small regional routes . Dash Q400 have better performance then ATR with more seats but also expensive than ATR but have more range. Engine is quite powerful of Q400. Dash 8 speed goes above 600km/hrs.
Today (August, 7th, 2024) there is the Dash 7 available on external markets, although I did not take the time to watch any review yet. But I personally love to 'fly' the ATR 42-600 and 72-600 within MSFS! They are my definitely favourite turboprops of all times since forever (even when I was 'flying' in X-Plane 10, some 10 years ago back in 2014 - and previously X-Plane 9, and 8 and so on, back to when I 'started' in early 2000s with X-Plane v7. But in those earlier versions there wasn't an ATR available for what I can remember; not as a payware Add-on anyway. In X-Plane 10 though a developer releasead a very nice version of the aircraft, but I cannot recall their name). Cheers. Happy landings. 💪🏼
In the past, there was for me only one turboprop along with DASH8 and that one was the Fokker 50. For me, both airplanes Fokker 50 and DASH 8 or Q400 are the same but with slight differences. Honestly, ATR is a cheap airplane but has no chances against Fokker 50 or Dehavilland DASH8. Believe me, if Fokker 50 is back in business, ATR will be blown away from scenario.
I agree with you, the F50 was a great turboprop, but its seat capacity (50 passengers if I remember well) was much less than the newer aircraft that replaced it.
I love DASH, short long. The long Q400 is nice to fly, the Q200 a bit bouncy but takes you everywher (almost) in Canada. I never fly ATR 72 so I don't know but I heard of many crash with them.
ATR has a couple neat features but the Dash 8 is a much better aircraft IMHO. Dash 8 handling is excellent, and it copes very well in moderate icing conditions. The Q400 is a beast, can maintain up to 19,000 feet on one engine versus 11,000 for the ATR. Can go straight to 25,000 at max weight. A very good friend is now an ATR Captain, and previously flew the Dash. He calls it scary and underpowered, and says you don't want to be near icing in it. But the ATR is well marketed with good product support, so captured a lot of the market. Bombardier (previous Dash owner) left a lot to be desired in product support. Viking (DHC Canada) is looking to change that positively nowadays.
The ATR has had a bad accident history compared to the Dash 8.
Yeah.... 😳
It just got worse
I'm living in Papua New Guinea, which has, despite its rugged terrain, a very good aviation safety record, and my son is a captain with Air Nuigini, the national carrier, flying the Dash 8 at the moment. Air Nuigini's domestic rival, PNG Air, flies some ATR planes. Some time ago, way before this ATR crash that has just now happened in Brazil, I had asked him for his opinion about the ATR planes and I remember him answering that it is said to have an icing problem.
Most of the crashes were pilot error. Do your research.
Don't blame the plane, blame the pilots. Smaller aircraft tend to have pilots with less experience and from airlines/regions with subpar safety practices.
I'd say that the DHC-8-400 is more of a competitor for the CRJ's on regional routes despite being a bit slower
Nah, the ERJs are a competitor for the CRJs, not the q400
Atr-72
Dash-8 all day! Nothing wrong with the ATR , I’m just a Dash-8 fan. Was lucky enough to fly them for a short time
The Dash 8-400 has a range of 2500 KM, not 2400 KM. Also the cruise speed is 667 KM/H instead of 530 KM/H.
Ryan, 530 Kph is speed for ATR.
@@charliebowman785 video is wrong, not Ryan
You really felt it necessary to correct the difference in 100KM? Do you feel relief?
@@kendallevans4079Aviation all must me very precise !
As a 25-year-old person who has spent 16 years of his life as an aviation fan, I describe the ATR-72 as the worst airplane still flying. The dhc-8 q400 is countless times more successful than this faulty aircraft. I don't understand why people like the atr-42/72 series. Fokker 50, which has been out of production for 30 years, is many times better than this plane. On the other hand, Soviet aviation spent more effort on turboprop aircraft. The fruits of this labor reached their peak with province-18. Although they could not hold on to the market after the collapse of the Soviets, they were able to produce beautiful machines such as Ilyushin IL-114 and Antonov An-140. In addition to the DHC-8 Q400 and Fokker 50 that I have mentioned before, the designs of western aircraft designers such as Saab 2000 and Bae Atp are all more reliable and robust machines. I fly as a passenger on all the models I mentioned above, but I do not fly on ATR-42/72 series aircraft. I don't believe these planes are safe either. It's even hard to believe that engineers designed these machines. If I didn't know better, I would say that this plane was designed by turners and welders. In my opinion, these models full of design errors should have been a bigger crisis than the Boeing 737MAX, but when the number of deaths was low in accordance with the passenger capacity of the plane, no one even cared. The last one, I don't know how many accidents have occurred due to similar reasons, yet why do they still allow them to fly? This plane is dangerous even for people on the ground. The life of anyone who buys a plane ticket cannot be entrusted to primitive, inflatable rubber icebreakers, which are proven to have insufficient surface area on the wing and horizontal stabilizer surfaces of this flying bolt box, and which, even with the improvements made, cannot reach the sufficient surface area stated by the FAA in its report.
Sorry ATR fans, but theese are unpleasant facts.
I had flown both. Indeed Q400 is more comfortable and smother when landing. **Sorry my profile photo was ATR72**
Thank you very much for this impressive video
Salute from Egypt 🇪🇬 with love and respect.
2:05 just your average dash 8 landing
The only reason the ATR sells well is that it is cheaper that the dash 8 family. In all other respects it is inferior.The first crash of an ATR owing to icing was American Eagle flight 4184 in 1994. ATR said at the time they would fix the icing problem. We're still waiting....
The Dash 8 is probably the fastest propeller-driven airliner on sale now, but there have been faster ones in the past such as the SAAB 2000 and the fastest of all the Tupolev 114.
I flew on both in the Canadian Arctic for 10 years...both are great....but...I ''De hav'' my favourite.
What I see especially in Italy and Spain, now also France, is that the 1000 to 1500 km ranges are being taken over by high speed or night trains. A much better option in the long run. City to city, so no long congested transfers, much less noise, pollution, more comfort and room, and if high subsidies on fuel prices for aircraft are no longer maintained, at competitive prices. The only thing that keeps many airlines in the air is the subsidy at the cost of taxpayers on the ground.
That’s true
That Q400 is a hotrod.
From a maintenance stand point, I much prefer working on the ATR.
ATR cant carry 90 passengers, even 80 passengers can accommodate is in high density configuration with less legrooms . But it is best and affordable aircraft for small regional routes . Dash Q400 have better performance then ATR with more seats but also expensive than ATR but have more range. Engine is quite powerful of Q400. Dash 8 speed goes above 600km/hrs.
Canada love 💕 from India
ATR 72 variant was chosen as Canada search and rescue plane.
Not the ATR 72. The RCAF SAR aircraft is the Airbus C-295 Kingfisher.
Já andei em ambos e não vi diferença alguma, ambos são ótimos avioes
and since there's still no dash-8 on msfs I have to use the ATR-72
Today (August, 7th, 2024) there is the Dash 7 available on external markets, although I did not take the time to watch any review yet. But I personally love to 'fly' the ATR 42-600 and 72-600 within MSFS! They are my definitely favourite turboprops of all times since forever (even when I was 'flying' in X-Plane 10, some 10 years ago back in 2014 - and previously X-Plane 9, and 8 and so on, back to when I 'started' in early 2000s with X-Plane v7. But in those earlier versions there wasn't an ATR available for what I can remember; not as a payware Add-on anyway. In X-Plane 10 though a developer releasead a very nice version of the aircraft, but I cannot recall their name).
Cheers.
Happy landings. 💪🏼
ATR unsafe. Accidents due to loss of control in ice . ATRs should be grounded
I like both
What about fuel efficiency
You want long range pull her back to 300ktas.
In the past, there was for me only one turboprop along with DASH8 and that one was the Fokker 50. For me, both airplanes Fokker 50 and DASH 8 or Q400 are the same but with slight differences. Honestly, ATR is a cheap airplane but has no chances against Fokker 50 or Dehavilland DASH8. Believe me, if Fokker 50 is back in business, ATR will be blown away from scenario.
Biased
I agree with you, the F50 was a great turboprop, but its seat capacity (50 passengers if I remember well) was much less than the newer aircraft that replaced it.
I think the main concern about the atr is the icing. It has severe problems with that.
Past tense
Q400 is designed in Canada so no wonder it's better with snow and ice lol
Yes, another one might have gone down due to icing. Ive been on a few they aren't bad but would never fly one that isn't in tropical area.
ATR is designed to be the bare minimum regional turboprop aircraft.
I like DASH8 Q400 aircraft from Bangladesh
ATR or dash 8 ?
Prefer ATR
Good👍
Q400 is better
Facts
ATR is just better in every way. lol
stopped watching at 1.40 who are you kidding ?
I love DASH, short long. The long Q400 is nice to fly, the Q200 a bit bouncy but takes you everywher (almost) in Canada. I never fly ATR 72 so I don't know but I heard of many crash with them.
canada
RIP Q400
ATR is way superior and economical
2:45 wtf
👍😊🇦🇺🥳
How bs comparison is that video….
That landing at 2:10 by the Q400 is so aweful it looks done bby a drunk chinese woman
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Saab 340 better
What?😂
I swear dash 8 and atr 72 are similar
They only differ on the landing gear configuration 😊😊
Really? Dash 8 has nearly double the horsepower of the ATR. ATR has problems flying over mountains on one engine.
@@Adscam I doubt! Can you sustain this information?
ATR is superior
Cap
@@Themapleleaforever is the q400 still in production?
@@Realixit Yes is in production and next year they want to upgrade the engines . If you are out of informations don't post!
ATR has a couple neat features but the Dash 8 is a much better aircraft IMHO. Dash 8 handling is excellent, and it copes very well in moderate icing conditions. The Q400 is a beast, can maintain up to 19,000 feet on one engine versus 11,000 for the ATR. Can go straight to 25,000 at max weight. A very good friend is now an ATR Captain, and previously flew the Dash. He calls it scary and underpowered, and says you don't want to be near icing in it. But the ATR is well marketed with good product support, so captured a lot of the market. Bombardier (previous Dash owner) left a lot to be desired in product support. Viking (DHC Canada) is looking to change that positively nowadays.