Why LinusTechTips Lost 200,000 Subscribers…
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2023
- This is the downfall of LinusTechTips..
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After this video I went to his channel and subscribed.
Why are you trying to copy SunnyV2?
Wtf do you mean "downfall??" Each one of their videos still gets 1M-2M views. Go read a dictionary ffs
IF Thunderf00t says your are full of sh aou are full of shlt
there was something fuzzy about him tho ngl
-200k might be career-ending for the great majority of content creators. But for a massive 15million sub empire like LTT? That's hardly what I'd call a "downfall".
Yep, on top of this they are in an entirely different league to a channel like mkbhd despite them having more subscribers because they post content daily instead of weekly so viewer count per video doesn't matter as much.
it's only a 1.3% reduction😂
Yup, completely downfall and end-of-career... Not sure what Linus will be doing now without a quarter of his pocket-change... I mean, seriously his last videos had more than a few million views in the first couple of hours!
Ridiculous sensationalism, indeed.
Bro the downfall is reputation based and not subscriber based.
It’s been 2 months since this video was uploaded and I’ve yet to notice Linus’ downfall.
it came back to normal. I've noticed they fact checking especially in shortcircuit videos. It's not as janky anymore...
This channel tried farming hard 😂😂😂
The reports of Linus' death were greatly exaggerated.
They're not losing too much that they'll go bankrupt or anything. If there is such "downfall", I'm guessing it's all behind-the-curtain issues such as management, sponsorship, HRD, cashflows, company planning, policies, investment, etc. It is still quite a nightmare for a company to make some adjustments on the micro level.
I think we all learned to never hire anyone who self-harms though, lest they fire back with "look what you made me do!"
Next video: The Downfall of Video Ideas of Internet Anarchist
lol
😂 "How Internet Anarchist became the worst Channel ever" with 2 views
@@raigon_pawa 2.9 million*
Or: The Rise of Wealthy Startups Popularized by Abusive LTT Reviews
@@noahlamouruex87752.9 million views with 65k likes…yikes
IA: calls out SunnyV2 for content farming and misinterpretation
Also IA: does the exact same thing
Bro might get a video with this as a key comment and point
@@DarkShadowStudiosYT1 the original commenter maybe, not someone just reposting it though.
Calling a downfall is a big, big stretch.
He needed a wakeup call, and he got one.
This video looks more like drama farming than anything else.
This video reeks of jealousy, virtue-signal wokeism and piss poor attempts of grasping at straws. The Internet Cuckist should play nice, and maybe LTT will give him a shout out for a few more subscribers, lol! 🤣
FR FR
They want his subs.
I am of the mind that if a person allows their company to become this toxic and corrupt, a wake up call won't make any meaningful changes because decency and ethics aren't a part of that person's values.
Well bless your heart.@@nobodyimportant7804
If getting over a million views on almost every video is a downfall, I'm sure many YT'ers would love to fail in this way.
I think more importantly is he lost the trust of his viewers. He's been in a slow decline for the last year. He needs to make some changes
I watch a lot of LTT, both before and after the controversy. I've always been the type to look up multiple reviews, but I do tend to favor some reviewers over others. Despite knowing some of the inaccuracies in LTT's testing, I still rated their reviews pretty highly.
After this however, despite the fact that I continue to watch their content (literally watched a video just before this one), I can safely say that I no longer hold their reviews highly in anyway. In fact, I now find myself actively looking for inconsistencies between LTT's and other reviewers even if I don't intend to.
So yes. I generally believe this "downfall" is quite significant. Integrity and trust is pretty important in the tech review field. Losing it is a massive shit stain that likely won't go away any time soon.
@@jordanliszewski6549 What decline? His numbers are back up and going strong lol.
It has nothing to do with his viewer count, its about trust. Just because a lot of uninformed viewers still watch doesn't mean that it isn't a "downfall". It's about reputation, not success, and I'm not impressed by success.
@@jordanliszewski6549his views are litterally increasing. . .what re you on about
This video didn’t age well, zero downfall
Because all smarter people are now left but many sheep still watch LTT.
because people are dumb and LTT is too big to fail. I'mm sure that if Linus is found to have killed someone (100% hypothetical, not making any accusations), LTT would still have millions of subscribers.
@@ElZamo92nah they just make good content
@@ElZamo92 you use anime pfp and want to call other people dumb. you need a reality check lil dude
crazy how yall worship these awful people
I would call it more a deserved wake-up call, than a downfall
@@deejrdee1If you really read OP's comment he wasn't even hating on LTT
@@deejrdee1Except no one is harassing LTT in this thread, not the OP and neither is my comment.
@@deejrdee1 I never said you were wrong. I never gave an opinion on any other of the comments here aside from this specific thread. Point exactly in this thread where LTT was harassed.
@@deejrdee1Don't know why you keep explaining this on a thread where no one is hating on LTT. You mentioned deserved but you forgot the next word. A wake-up call is not a bad thing, it means an opportunity to fix your processes. A wake-up call is a time to review your pain points and formulate an action plan. None of this is bad. Self-reflection is not a bad thing especially at a company level. Who is even claiming in this thread that they should fix it in one day? None of this is at any level can be considered harassment.
@@deejrdee1 LTT burner account found.
I'd say calling it a downfall is a bit clickbaity. The channel is so huge, and his media empire is so successful that this is already something they've basically moved past. I hope that they have learned a lesson from this as too many of these types of events could eventually doom the channel and brand, but not this one event by itself.
A bit clickbaity? This is completely dishonest as a title
If you haven't already burned bridges with Linus and LTT over the Billet theft, his comments regarding to add blocks and just how like a man child he approaches any criticism, then sorry to say, but you're either ignorant of these issues (and people won't stay ignorant for long) or simping for him and doing the entire RUclips tech channel niche harm by doing so.
like they care
they made the ad revenue and 4 weeks from now everyone gonna forget it even happened
@@Nogardtist yeha they are still getting 1.5mil views per video already.
99% of hiw viewers won't even know there is a 'scandal'. I didn't until this video.
Honestly this is the least spectacular "downfall" of any channel
Someone who was never meant to be a large-scale manager ends up as a large-scale manager, fails and realizes this failure so he brings in a proper manager and moves to creative roles that he's good at while being transparent to viewers and genuinely facilitating change based on feedback
Damn I wish every downfall ended this happy...
as someone who watched them from the beginning, they had all my respect and trust, they lost all that with their behaviour and showed their real face, and they're not getting it back easily
since their whole channel is based on trust id say it was spectacular as ill never look at them the same again
Oh boy weren't you the guy coming out and trying to sell gun control in another comments section?@@artemislogic5252
Yeah no, my bad, you weren't@@artemislogic5252
it was indeed spectacular. the amount of lying and manipulation of information from Linus during those few days, toppled with the "i am the victim here" statement, was just too much. was a long time fan, but has not watched one video since.
Exactly - open and transparent deceit like this makes people realize the person was most likely that way the whole time, just behind closed doors. It's almost always impossible to reconcile no matter how genuine their seemingly corrective behavior after the fact may be.
Stop watching after the intro section... That is really blown out of proportion
Precisely.
And it’s fucking sickening.
LTT is doing just fine, this channel however is something of a joke
Literally the intro is already filled with wrong information. A $100M offer does not equate to the channel being worth $100M
soooo, where's his downfall?
Rite, dudes still Rich AF running a 100 million companies
Sadly in this industry, sometimes, you CAN get too big to fail.
Yeah, not really a downfall when you're still standing
No arguments about the content? Sheep sheep sheeping sheep.
@@LedNe0nDeviltf does this even mean 💀
If legal action ever arrives on LTT and Linus then it's a sure fire downfall but right now they are back to near daily videos with all of them above 1mil views, I don't know man, that's barely a fall.
it's a deserved downfall dunno if they were saying it did downfall or it deserves to english is confusing
It was a trip.
We won't see LTT crashing down any time soon.
I have not watched a Linus video ever since the incident. Can't trust someone who can't return a test product and also went and sold/auctioned it off.
Downfall 😂…
@@lesath7883 Yeah 200k relative to 15.4 million is but drops in an ocean. They are still going strong and the people who stopped watching them even after they tried to resolve it are a vocal minority.
im not even really an LTT fan but i wouldnt even slightly consider this as a downfall as hes probably gained back more subs and seemed to handle this well
EXACTLY! In fact, it seems more like OTHERS are trying to get more clicks by "reporting" on this "drama". LOLOLOLOLOL
Yeah they are just doing fine. Their average viewing rate is still around 1.5 million for EACH video they put out. You have to look really hard to find any video that has less then 1M views. Subscriber count doesn't matter all that much unless you can get those views.
I think it was even a good thing to happen to LTT. They kinda got a harsh reality check. And as it seems the content has changed too because of that. Which is a good thing, and them being more open about testing and the process, checking more things before posting is also a good thing. In the end it is good it happened for the consumer (us viewers) because they again need to raise the bar and be better, and we get better more accurate content because of that.
@@christophergrove4876 "LOLOLOLOLOL"
are you having a stroke?
LTT is back to pumping a video a day again, nothings gonna change. Short circuit, more like Long circuit, that whole channel is just sponsored content to be real. Not hating, I didn't realise I was part of the view counts for these until this and the Madison bomb dropped. Never looked back at LTT, not missing it at all.
Can't wait for another channel to make a video called 'The Deserved Downfall of Internet Anarchist'.
And every other channel that creates videos like this one
Pathetic
Borderline defamatory
And obviously just trying to cash in on the drama.
This video deserves to get taken down, and these idiots getting a community guidelines strike
i was making a joke but alr@@jeremydale4548
@@jeremydale4548
What's up with all the crying? This is RUclips, not your pet gerbil.
And he still had the audacity to add a sponsorship on a video that is borderline misinformation...
Right? Wanna talk about being honest for a second and not pedalling crap to your audience? Absolute hypocrisy
I don't understand how he has suffered a true downfall of any capacity, the channel is bigger than ever and he still gets tons of views
Down fall of reputation
and his livestreams are still great and have gotten better viewership and the community is positive... This video really is outta nowhere
Haters will hate
That may be the case now, but they're clearly rushing videos and self-imposing really tight deadlines on videos, this WILL catch up to them as people get burnt out and quit and quality starts divebombing. This is less of a downfall and more of a harsh reality warning.
yeah weird asf... even after he decided to spend less time on the channel... business is still booming over there? I dont get this at all LMAO..
jeez i can't believe I wasted half an hour on that...
This comment saved me half an hour. Thank you.
What's up? Idk, I am going to see it, then I am going to comment if it was worth it
@@DXZAZ_was it worth it
@@laiba8879I have just finished, meh, I mean, I can resume it,
Linus' team made a mistake when installing a cooler, on a graphics card that was not correct, the cooler is from an independent company, in addition to the Nexus channel uploading a video saying that they They are wrong in their benchmarks and Jari Jari jara, meh, Linus made a apologize video and they are ok right now in terms of RUclips views and likes and whatever
En resumen: No vale la pena el video jeje, solo es, Linus cometió un error en benchmarks y tal, se les hizo videos criticando, respondieron con video de disculpa, y la vaina de twitter no se sabe con certeza ya que contrataron un investigador privado.
This has aged like fine milk
What pray tell is "fine milk?" Milk that is just so-so?
I don’t see much of that „downfall“ anymore honestly.
More of a ripple on the surface of a pond than a downfall, I mean.. Linus still has 15.4m subs, how bad can things really be?
Linus actually bounced back after this lol
ong bro, he took all the right steps after mucking up@@ed_cmntonly
I would say it was a very big ripple but on a fairly large lake that has since recovered. It wasn't a catastrophy but it could have been and people are stuck on that because they didn't see it coming.
Only on his reputation. I still watch him for entertainment, but no longer for facts. I think many would feel the same.
@@_oPhanLong I mean, the guy constantly breaks stuff and says funny things, how factual did you ever think his channel was? I guess I do more research than other people? I don't just watch one video and call it good. 😁
I wouldn't call it a downfall, more like a wake up call that they were not running an honest channel, so it was either shape up or lose all credibility and potentially shutdown...Gotta give them credit, they legitimately look like they are trying to do a better job right now, we're all human and we all make mistakes...especially when you let success get to your head and start thinking you can do no wrong.
Nah, giving them no credit. All scum.
Linus seems to have some ego issues, but ultimately I still like the guy and his channel and think he's trying to do a good job.
The internet hivemind likes black and white thinking though, so a couple months ago he was the the people's champion consumer friendly tech youtuber and now he's a greedy overlord of an evil content machine.
I mean, he's had countless times to take accountability for his actions and he has continuously died on the hill that he and his team did what was right in both the Billet Labs and the sexual harassment cases. It genuinely feels like you're apart of the hivemind if you can't see what both Linus and his media group are guilty of. It's not just a "people's champion" making a few bad calls, it's gross negligence of both ethics and morals.@@XenFPV
I completely agree
@@madd.villainThat is the part I take issue with LTT. Linus needs a social media handler at this point.
guys in his comment he literally said 'but it is great to see them take the right steps to improving it' so stop saying that he is wrong
The problem is that this video never needed to be made in the first place.
LITERALLY the only videos that should exist about this, are those from GN and LTT, all other videos are just trying to cash in and that is disgusting behavior.
@@jeremydale4548 "The problem is that this video never needed to be made in the first place."
It is said that opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. Question is why you think you are entitled to one, but no one else is.
NGL, a lot of the drama around him sounds like people being little bitches and dog piling once they smelled blood.
And this channel just milks dumb drama.
Facts
Nope. He and they purposely spread misinformation about products and fostered a toxic work environment. That shit ain't good and while you can give him and them a second chance the true trust people once had for them should be permanently tempered.
This isn't some old shit from back when they were a teenager (like you), the shit they did was serious.
No arguments about the content? Sheep sheep sheeping sheep.
I was waiting for someone to make a complete time line of events for this drama cuz I seriously was confused as a person who doesn't watch LTT's content much
ruclips.net/video/8iLebHtp6Zg/видео.html
little old but tons of info
"Someone" who specifically focuses on making complete timelines of the events.
TLDR is every channel on youtube that doesn't put data first is so full of shit (and themselves) that they create drama when their position is challenged.
They started with building an expensive lab to "Accurately" test products but then fudged numbers when in time crunches which wasn't much news until someone from their labs team said that their data was better than another youtuber who had been known for excellent testing, then they were given a prototype of a product to review and they ended up auctioning it off when the company who made it didn't give them permission to. Then Linus fired back at these claims with pretty terrible responses not taking responsibility. And the final drama was an ex employee of the company came out with allegation's of horrible and hostile work environments.
That's basically the scope of the drama.
Waiting? I mean, considering it's almost a direct 1:1 take on this video made a month ago: ruclips.net/video/htMgHSwMpYo/видео.html&ab_channel=KiraTV
Even uses the exact same picture of Linus just without the stretching of the aspect ratio
Standards. Have them.
everyone was quick to say it's over for LTT. In the meantime, true, lost some 200k subscribers (from 15 million plus) but since then it got back to the original number. So... that's the whole "downfall".
That's because youtube fills the hole with bot accounts😂
@@EagleFang86 so true
Really, how do I confirm that, any source?@@EagleFang86
As stated in the video. The "downfall " is his reputation, not his channel subscribers
nerd things, nobody cares already about that incident. Imagine in two months.@@baconatoromg6062
Madison is a professional victim that thought she could work 20hours a week for a full 40hours a week paycheck en got really salty when she didn't get the payrise she expected. The fact that you put all her claims in this video without a shred of evidence is really telling of how you conduct your business. Everything that you said in this video about LMG is exactly how you seem to operate. Going off rumors.
STAN
Absolutely! Even putting in random youtube comments like the one about "I worked for a company which product got reviewd by linus...", those are not fact, anyone can post anything they want. This could have been a lie and you would not be able to prove it. That's a statement some dude made over the internet behind an anonymous account and you put it in your video as "prove"? That's unserious and shameless.
yo can you tell me if i hard rest my pc do i keep my games if i log back in
I cannot see a channel having 2 million views per video being considered a channel in a downfall.
Linus has a lot of viewers that are casuals, prosumers don't watch Linus because his reviews and tests are superficial, and it was the same before this scandal. They created the Labs just for this reason, to be taken seriously by the prosumers which i don't think is working, at least yet.
@@LuchianM1 You made an entire paragraph to agree that his channel is not in a downfall, though. If he has a lot of casual viewers and they don't care about the drama that happened, where is the downfall? It is more like "Linus lost some of his niched audience... but not quite because most of them still watch him still."
@@LuchianM1 Labs was always a long game. They're already seeing some benefits, but it was never going to be "complete" before 2024.
@@astropgn I did not say it was in downfall, i said they have low quality viewers, and they know about this, that's why they created Labs, knowing that on the long run, the viewers that they have now, are not the ones that stick arround and the scandal turned away the exact viewers that they want to attract.
Person watches LTT video, sends it to their tech friend, tech friend laughs at them, person stops watching LTT. Give it time
this isnt a downfall. a downfall is when their reputation gets thrown in the trash and theyre suffering the consequences. last i checked, linus is doing great for a youtuber who “suffered a downfall”
Not only that, but this video is almost overtaken by dislikes, I'm disappointed.
@@agentrex_adventuresyeah it should be overtaken by dislikes, I'm also disappointed
...@@mjbaricua7403
it was thrown in the trash but when is the last time you saw people on the internet have integrity when it interferes with their enjoyment or convince?
Bro show it to me
SHOW ME THE DISLIKES@@agentrex_adventures
10:14 I must say, misspelling "erroneous" gave me a chuckle
what downfall??
Jeeez, losing 200k subscribers is hardly a downfall if you still have 15+ million of them.
From about 1.5 mill views per vid , to the low lows of about 1.5 mill views per video, yeah downfall is a bit of a stretch.
People just drink up this Sensationist b$ on RUclips (and general media) like it's their daily glass of milk fella. They need the b$ in their veins it seems, lol. Best to ignore these attention-seeking fanatics. People make mistakes (on measure) and yea, what he did was bad (maybe??) but jeez, look @ ''Mr Perfect Anarchist'' here , making all the shots like the President. ''dOWnfALL!1'' What a kid , lmao! 😂
tbf older channels do tend to gather a lot of relatively inactive subs over time, so their active viewership is generally only a fraction of their total sub count. plus people could remain subbed despite losing trust and/or engagement.
view count trends are more indicative of whether something was a downfall. if it went from 1.5 million to 1.5 million... there probably was none lol
@@nyankers I mean, this guy needs some fresh air anyway - I don't even know what he's trying to prove or whatnot anyway. All I see is a bitter , immature person picking rando fights with everyone except Trump online, for the need to garner his own views, Subz & attention & it's _boring._ It's these people who ''deserve downfall!!11'' Lol.
Lost half their daily views. That's a huge hit. That's like 1.5 to 2 million views that aren't happening anymore.
Downfall is a bit of a stretch. That only happens if something irrecoverable happens
don't worry the fake questions about merch every 2 minutes during wan show will make him survive for a long time.
This whole video presentation looks and sounds exactly like SunnyV2. I actually wonder if its him or if its someone who was "inspired" by him. 😄
what's your definition of Irrecoverable? I'd say Sexual Assult is pretty heinous
@@aboveaverageazzuen2684 Is there a conviction already? if not then its just an allegation and should be taken with a pile of salt.
@@eqwalle4884 no not even close lol look at his social blade viewer graph from before july and after (the time of the drama) he went from about 93m views to 48m which is almost half of his old viewer count that he lost
They still have 15.6 million subs. This video is why I unsubbed from this channel. If you're out of ideas, don't make shit up man
Who the hell pronounces 'Nvidia' as 'Nividia'?
bro went full sunny v2
this shit isn't as big as it was made to be, yet DESERVED DOWNFALL was plastered all over.
It is; his Reviews were basically "meh" as many already said before hand and now it depends on "how relieable is Madision as Narrator" - because if she's "right" and actually told us the truth, the rest of his channel is also "just meh".
I mean, be honest ... Nobody watched his videos for his Reviews on stuff. We all knew it was at best a "Product Video" - We all watched/watching due to wanky stuff they do and the "feel good atmossphere".
Sometimes is funny, if you look in his Forum, how he acts like he would've an actuall clue about alot of stuff - Yet mostly the "more detailed discussion" in there are done by people which are not even "full on members of the team"; and you will realize that if you then watch some videos which were made *after* such "in depth discussions" happened. So you know that part of their own research was basically "read our own forum!".
Idk mate, no hard feelings, no offense; I do work in the semi conductor industry. Yeah. Although even years before that, I just watched Linus to laugh and "feel good" - not to get "Insights in Tech I couldn't get somewhere else!". Yet, that his reviews / tests are absolute meaningless is now painfully obvious for everybody.
No arguments about the content? Sheep sheep sheeping sheep.
@@LedNe0nDevil read my comment carefully. The content/video is simply a recap of what happened, Deserved Downfall is Plastered beginning to the end.
He is actually doing fine bro, he has 15m subs and still gets pretty good views... I understand that it's his reputation, but his reputation is also not even doing poorly. Many people don't like him, but many people either do or are unaware of him.
You mean 15m not 15k
See a hater, seen them all.
I think you misunderstand the context of the word downfall in this case it isnt downfall of the channel its the downfall of LTT's reputation
15M* lol
@@karmmaroo then he should rename his video
can you link all the videos from this video
You’re pushing it bud. As a channel that does nothing but prey on people’s struggles and downfalls, Karma will find you.
Will it, though?
If Linus didn't want to accused of being the sort of person that would auction off someone else's IP to the highest bidder and then brushing it under the rug, maybe he shouldn't have auctioned off someone else's IP to the highest bidder and then tried to sweep it under the rug.
He is super sorry that you feel bad about the bad things he did and he hopes that you will eventually feel good about the bad things he did whilst also forgetting the bad things he did.
and he didn't address him auctioning it off in the apology video just that he gave Bilet compensation
like why did he action it off when he should'v sent it back? even if it's for charity
@@admiralzero2685 Exactly, he doesn't even mention it. He just states they were delayed in returning it. But if he never auctioned it and was just late in shipping it back, why did he have to compensate them? Where is the IP?
@@admiralzero2685 and then it comes out that he didn't even compensate Bilet until other tech channels, like Gamers Nexus, pressured him about it. Good riddance.
@@thirdeyenz This apology is brought you by our overpriced LTT water bottles.
They had lost 200k subs out of their 15.4 million. Two months later and they're back to 15.4 million. What a downfall
Reputation will be much harder to repair than number of subs. Also: there's a still potential lawsuit (for stealing and selling the prototype), which will damage them WAY more.
@@piotrlewandowski Even with the "reputational" damage, clearly nothing has happened. Linus is still making millions of $ off his channel and still making videos with millions of views. And just in a few months times, unless he does something else, nobody really cares or remembers.
@@soapa4279 Nobody is saying that he's not making money, don't you get it?
@@maxbro16 No, but the entire premise of this video is about his "downfall" when literally nothing has changed.
@@soapa4279 Maybe it's not a "downfall" but I certainly trust them less than before, I'm sure it's the same for many people.
Dude you put a video between ads and you talk about someone shilling for companiess to profit... How ironic
No arguments about the content? Sheep sheep sheeping sheep.
@@LedNe0nDevil what are you mumblin kiddo?
Posted a video 11 hours ago that has 569k views. What a fall from popularity
He’s still getting over a million views per episode. Hardly a downfall.
agreed. hope this clibait copy paste channel lands on the "downfall" list itself.
@@thecursed01 Had to sort by new comments to see your reply
And there are still people who will vote for Joe Rapist Biden in 2024, despite all of the evidence over 4 years how tragically stupid that is for every human being on this planet. My point being, like German tourists, the stupid are everywhere.
Yeh, same toughts, 200k subs lost on 15.4 mln is like nothing :|
Small RUclips channel trying to stir up controversy 😂
I agree with everyone else who say it's just a wake up call, it's a reality check, it's telling him to lift his game, stop being a child, stop misleading people, stop screwing people over. There's no downfall here, losing 200k subs isn't a big deal as they've done enough correction to easily gain that back. It's one of those "fool me once" situations, if he slips like this again then it'll be a downfall.
I smell a hard time coming up for tech companies. The good ones will survive and the weak will not.
I'm sure LTT is aware of this and I believe they've been working too hard to let their enterprise just slip away this early.
Don't forget to cup and massage the balls while you're down there.
Yeah I mean he titled it downfall so people would watch the video haha.
the bad part is that from his whol 15 mil subs he doesn't even have 10% of the views including those that aren't sub so yea, losing 200k from subs is a lot for him atm@@TheFrenchmanCooks
Doubt it makes much of a difference to him, aside from some embarrassment. If you do an internet search for 'best youtube tech channel' you will generally just find a list of the most subscribed channels (mainly complete trash), that is one way that people find these channels, artificially creating continued growth for them.
27:13, did u not see the pfp of the comment you were citing
LTT has 15M+ subscribers, "Downfall" is a strong word for someone losing 1.3% of his audience
wouldn't really call it a downfall. Even 200k subs is nothing really when you are over 15 million. Their floatplane sub count is also back to where it was in April, so they lost like 6-7 months of work growing that, but at the end of the day, much of the people who watch the RUclips stuff don't even know about all this that happened, and they are still putting out videos that get 1 million+ views in days.
The reality is that regular viewers don't care, most people watch LTT for mere entertainment.
@@ElSocketFace mfw I only watch 1/10 of their videos as they come out and don't even care enough about my own job's drama and politics, let alone some random company a thousand miles away from me
I've never liked or trusted any of them. Really, any youtuber. RUclips is absolutely outstanding at attracting drama queens and narcissists.
That "Soup" woman mentioned in the video, she's lying. Every single word of it.
True. The average person is very stupid and loves being used and manipulated by those above them. Even the average voting patterns in most countries demonstrates this.
yeah yeah stop thinking about the dollars and start thinking about reputations, those are gold in social media...
I've missed this entire spectacle, but if anything people should learn in taking advice: Never follow just one channels reviews. It helps a lot to put some time and thought into a product to see if it's something for you. My last purchase for my computer was a case, for better airflow and water build. I watched many channels for a better break down of the product and even then, I missed a few things. Just watching one channel should never be enough to provide enough information for a purchase.
I can tell you that all the accusations from Madison soup is made up whole cloth. It follows the formula perfectly. Make vague accusations against unnamed people and use slippery language to do it. There is a reason she did not report "criminal behavior" to the police. She doesn't want anyone who can both ask questions and compel others to answer.
It's funny because that is something Linus always said: don't get all your information from a single source.
Yup
@@1zui Was about to say the same, Linus and Luke have said probably hundreds of times on WAN Show "Never listen to just one source; including us"
@@christo930 You can say nothing that isn't your opinion. Linus has been sketchy for so long that the accusation isn't even remotely inconceivable. The fact that you're here to stan for someone with a history of being an abusive boss is icing on a very nasty cake. You gonna stan for Harvey Weinstein next?
So like…where’s the downfall? A lot of the stuff you show is them owning up to the mistakes and explaining them. If you want to be like SunnyV2, maybe do more research rather than trying to pump out videos every week? Just a suggestion if you want to provide actual additive content.
No arguments about the content? Sheep sheep sheeping sheep.
@Trainimations: "So like…where’s the downfall?"
In the weekly video views. They are down over 18 million since 1/2023, with most of it lost over the last 6+ months.
The fact this small RUclipsr that has nothing to compare to Linus is going against him for simple mistakes, is so crazy. And the sponsorship money with it, wrong move.
It's always a great idea when you're buying anything, to do proper research and check the facts/benchmarks/rumours/stuff from several sources. Never trust just one source for anything!
Used to do that when i was a kid, 25 years ago, world was quite different back then and you actually had to read literal magazines, do your research and check with friends. It was time consuming as well but it was fun and when you are 13 you have all the time in the world.
Now after 25+ years, working in tech as a manager, i really dont have time and patience for this, luckily the marked have evolved so i just buy bunch of stuff online, play with it a bit to see what gives me the best user experience for the buck and after i return all the rest.
Sometimes playing with the toys i realize they are really good but also that i really dont have time or use for them so i return them as well.
To be honest I'm mostly using my phone or my corporate laptop, not turning on my personal PC i have build from scrap at all, maybe once per two weeks to play some old stuff for a hour or two.
Instead of burning my time with nerdy stuff i rather go out for a proper dinner, for a walk with my dogs or just go for some nice vacation to Dubai.
Over the time when i was obssesed by tech just for the fact its a tech i really could not care less about the tech, I'm now only about the user experience.
that's why it's called research. If someone doing purchase on the impulse, it's not some youtuber problem....to be honest
I always do this. Even if I want to see some minor detail on the plastic of a product, I will watch several unboxing videos just to make sure that they all have the same product.
Kinda OCD about it, ngl.
Seems like every RUclipsr these days is approaching their end, for either bad or good reasons. For some, it's basically the beginning of a new chapter.
influencers all turn out to be egotists
fr like stampy just finished my lovely world yesterday. goated series
there are 2 routes for content creators:
1. Doing something that gets them cancelled
2. Quitting
It’s more so there is a parasitic genra of RUclips that seeks out to blow up any minor controversy to turn it into something it’s not.
"You either die a hero or live long enough become a villian..."
-Harvey Dent
Great recap, I hope that things are better now.
Someone please tell me which part of the comment at 12:38 is offensive. He/they did a test and found those results. No foul language and no shots fired at any 1 person.
Downfall is a strong word here. It was definitely a wake up call for all of them. Especially Linus. He did do a considerable introspection to right his ship, AFTER all the shit was dumped directly over his head, but he did do something. Probably why the community gave him a chance.
This is how I'm seeing it. They screwed up, but at least seem to have tried to do something about it. Nobody is perfect, and yes they made a few fuck-ups along the way, but Linus is one single human being. I don't watch him much to be honest, but I'm willing to give him a chance.
I think part of the reason the community gave him a chance - from longer discussions - is that all this drama happened while he was already stepping down as CEO.
So when he said "yeah there will be changes" no one had to take it on faith. It was already pretty clear changes were happening, and in some lights the criticisms of the company seemed unfair because things were already in flux.
Downfall is a clickbate title, nothing more lol even if he lost the channel altogether, he's pretty much won youtube already. He is a winner.
Let's be real. He was given a chance because LTT has massive fanboys who are still defending them to this day.
@@bonchbonch Nah, the whole drama never really stuck properly, and there was always an element of attention-seeking from the critics.
“Downfall” is way over the top. I actually don’t think this really hurts their overall business much at all. Things like this blow over quickly it seems. But who knows, strange things happen in the world of RUclips
hey, gotta have a clickable title
I still think we need to know more about the suop girl situation, her tweets made me ill
wel who cares he has so much money in his bankaccount he dont have to work anymore no matter what happens he is the perfect rolemodel for a sellout they actualy made ppl like to watch ads thats kinda impressive since the dawn of mankind we hate ads but this guys make ppl love watching ads ^^
200k subs definitely hurts the bottom line, is it drops in the bucket to them, sure... but its still no small amount of cheddar.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 my guy, 200k is 1.3% of the 15.4m subs on his MAIN channel
Anyone knows the song that plays when he is saying "hi I am the internet anarchist"
why are there so many cuts in the clip where linus explains what happens... and no link to the original video so we can see why you cut those parts out?
I would say this entire situation was a good wake-up call for all these tech channel's more than downfalls
I think that's a pretty charitable interpretation and strange that you would deflect it to "all those tech channels" rather than the company at the core of the critique.
No other channel was caught auctioning off proprietary hardware that they didn't own.
Yeah LTT is for sure the real cause of the situation, i wasn't deflecting anything tho@@michaelcorcoran8768
@@michaelcorcoran8768 but it's pretty fair that miscommunication happens when the original plan was for LTT to keep the block, not send it back.
I'd say it was a cringe drama for kids.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 here we find another idiot who got manipulated by GN
how does it feel being a sheep?
Things that didn't age well: This video ... and this segue to our sponsor.
Ah yes
Well, this didn't age well.
They should make a shirt saying "I'm really good at this" that aged sooo bad
I'm not saying LTT doesn't deserve its downfall, but is it really experiencing one? Its subscriber loss isn't nearly as dramatic as your clipped and cropped graph made it look, and while it does look to have upset his subscriber growth and views per week, he is also uploading fewer videos, and his views per week look proportionate to that.
This is a decent synopsis of the RUclips drama, but I'm not sure there is actually a 'downfall' here. We'll see, looking at the stats myself I'd say don't hold out hope if you're waiting for one.
He's just click baiting man 😅 bro arrived months late to the drama so needed to a decent sensationalized title to farm some clicks
If the numbers are correct, then he's only lost a 1/30th of his audience l, which isn't a lot
It's his reputation that got wrecked, not subscriber base.
@@noticiasinmundicias did it? In the end Linus is still on top, making big money and you aren't. that's what really matters.
@@above.average.gaming.natio3026 Actually I am on top and making absurd amounts of money. Like you wouldn't believe. But it's not what really matters.
alot of the issues arose from LTTs response, I think there was a way out of this. they punched themselves in the face
He's just now corporate more or less. If he's just goes generic, he's gonna lose.
And then they made a better response that everyone was ok with.
But you know the controversy was minor when it was more about how he first respond, and not, you know, the mistakes they made.
@@AL-lh2ht The mistakes he made are HUGE. He literally was gonna put a start up company out of business over innacurate testing on his part. He later refused to apologize in his writte reddit response over something he was completely wrong about and tried to downplay his own incompetence, while it was clear to everyone he was the party who did wrong. That is highly irresponsible and unethical behavior.
Dude went into full arrogant mode and first literally refused to apologize 2 times. I understand when you have 100 000 000 USD company you tend to forget what apology is but he went in full ego trip mode until he enraged a lot of people.
his first apology video also was made in bad taste, him continuing to act high and mighty and trying to make a spoof out of the apology video while advertising products in the video and monetizing it.
Later when even that didnt work out well he then started to act genuinely sorry when he noticed he was losing 50 000 subscribers per day.
These people tend to forget that without their subscribers they are nobodies and that how fragile the whole thing about maintaining popularity is.
I sincerely hope this was an eye opener for him and the leadership of the company.
@@AL-lh2ht they almost put a small company out of business, then auctioned off their prototype and you call it a small and minor mistake 😂 it was like Linus was trying to destroy them
And they dont care they still uploading daily. Seems like the Apology like ryotaro nomura.
What are you? Huh? What downfall?
This entire video was made for the mid roll advertisement. There was literally no downfall. Waste of time. The recorded HR meeting was the most tame thing I've seen in a while.
I'd hardly call it a "downfall". They're still raking it in.
It's a downfall of his persona I would reckon, not his money grubbing. Like Smg4.
Sure Linus
@@RRSilverBulletdude their success has not changed.
@@AL-lh2ht you missed the point of my comment man. Buttholes are still buttholes, even if they have massive success.
@@AL-lh2ht bro can u even read? lmao
this aged like milk
I started working at a comouter repair store years ago with zero experience, i learned alot in my free time watching old linus videos, this was before he got super big. I ended up working there for 6 years, it was mostly due to his videos.
What downfall? You got baited by a very vocal minority.
ah yes, losing 1.3% of his viewer base is his "downfall"
Users who decide to unsub are most active and engaged in content. Those are same people who will write posts on reddit and spread information about reputation. Its enough.
@@LetsBeSeriouslol Absolutely no proof of that. In fact I think the opposite. People who unsubbed probably subscribed years ago and when this happened just went and unsubbed from a channel they didn't even engage with.
Yeah, I was a little intrigued until the anonymous "meeee toooo" shit came up and I tuned out.
File a police report, press charges or quit and sue. Otherwise stfu
@@LetsBeSeriouslol Source? Trust me bro
Like someone else said he lost 1.3% of his audience, and now he has the same number of views as before. If you could see this loss like damage taken, he lost like 2 hp points and he's fully healed now.
@@lifequest7453ltt makes videos for money. views get money on youtube, advertisers/sponsors like high view counts and will pay more to a channel with high view counts. ltt makes tons if money from sponsors and yt adsense.
Ik what you mean, in comparison to his reputation and its worth views on RUclips are less so. but to say that they "dont mean much" is definitely understating it. Views are king on RUclips
“Health points points” 💀
@@lifequest7453brainless take because as long as the community sees him the same, brands will. Nothing is actually be damaged
@@lifequest7453 "The audience views do not mean much." You ret@rded bro?
@lifequest7453 Bro i literally just watched one of his recent videos and he had like 5 sponsors in a single vid, he's doing just fine😂take your meds
wow 42k dislikes in 3 months
he's already up 200k from screenshot at 0:01
But he is down 18 million weekly video views.
When RUclips starts paying content creators per subscriber, then subscriber count will matter. Until then, views is king.
Looks like he's doing pretty well. One day old videos with over a million views seems like it could generate some revenue.
And more importantly, people are still buying tons of merch.
@@MegaLokopo _"My mugshot is worth a billi sold some merch and made a milli"_
also most people dont watch all of linuses videos immediately, they are generally slow burns, going to a couple of million of views after a couple of weeks/months
@@aidankelley2696 Yea but by that time people will have forgotten and/or stopped caring. Look at how well all of their merch does.
Not exactly falling down, eh?
Ironically, I only ever watched him for building and doing weird stuff with tech, I always watched someone else if I needed any information.
Yup
who
@@brianwilson7624 hardware unboxed and gamers nexus.
Same for me, except i found that one of his PC building tutorials was the best for a beginner to listen along ro while building my first PC
LTT is for tech channels what Metallica is for metal. You start off watching LTT but then you progress on to Gamer's Nexus and Hardware Unboxed(possibly other I'm missing out) because they provide better information.
I'm glad i'm using an addblocker, as the video stops every 1min 30sec..
This video drags on trying to make normal things look bad, with a few actual bad things. Linus did take responsibility for the bad things quickly and spoke openly about it.
To this day I wish someone would test that billet labs block on a 3090 Ti. I'm curious how it actually performed.
@@_devilfish303 not sure if the buyer is known... that's on them to come forward (maybe even give it back to its rightful owner.)
If that ever happens or if Billet Labs ever makes another hopefully they send it to Gamers Nexus instead xD
@@_devilfish303 They say the buyer gave back the prototype to Billet Labs after they found out it shouldn't have been auctioned
My guess nobody cares…sorry exaggerated 20 people care. (Edit: 289 😏)
@@agc2801 Probably correct. After Linus used the incorrect GPU with it and screwed up over and over again during the install and then trashed it to hide the fact that he had no clue what he was doing all the LTT lemmings moved on.
@@agc2801 Sure, everybody who may or may not care has read pottingsoil723 comment. My guess Is that most who followed this story would be interested to know how that water block worked on the card it was designed for.
Brother is already entering his SunnyV2 arc.
What do you meanuhhh? Do you have the datuhhh to that uppahhh?
ironic how his growth just instantly stagnated after that certain video. Barely even see him or youtubers reacting to his content now
Not a downfall, not reputation tarnishing, and not "deserved". People- realize that this is an extremely competitive industry. Many of these videos are fueled by trying to promote their own channel while tearing down another- this is Hypocrisy at the highest level. LTT og here so yes I am very bias.
So my take away is, linus made an oopsie that most people dont care about, so small channels unite and capitalize?
"We didnt sell it, we auctioned it off" The mental gymnastics behind this tells everything one needs to know about their way of reasoning.
Edit: It wasnt LTT´s property. The only proper thing to do was to give it back, nothing else.
Not really???? It was auctioned off for CHARITY lmao. Still if I was Billet I would consider recourse but man you just don't know the facts.
@@user-cm3jr7sr1z he never was saying anything false. His quote is legit and the mental gymnastic thing is his opinion. seems like you need to think before you make a reply that wasn't needed. just makes yourself look stupid.
@@user-cm3jr7sr1z Firstly, without clear receipts that the proceeds went to charity, never blindly believe anyone is actually giving proceeds to charity. It's an easy thing to say that people eat up without question and that's how dishonest people get away with getting lots of money. Secondly, Billet asked for the prototype back BEFORE it was auctioned off. What the hell does that say about Linus to you? To auction a prototype of something is already beyond shitty. That is non-public tech that a competitor could purchase and steal ideas from.
@@user-cm3jr7sr1z wow LINUS, calm down, now please explain to me how exactly it is morally different to sell something that isn't yours vs auctioning it , even if the money go to charity in both cases ?
@@Anon20855 It's just that it's more probable that this was made by mistake than to make profit.
You know how when you play a colony building game you set up a massive source of food in the beginning, then forget about it until your population outgrows your food generation too fast for you to respond? I feel like LMG did the same thing. They grew so rapidly issues they couldnt prepare themselves for started cropping up. Like internal policies, linus was just used to working with a small team that were all friends with each other, when the company grew to the size that it is now they werent prepared for the level of quality control that is necessary
This ainte a sim. Linus is like a narc/sociopath. There are these people everywhere. Your boss, girlfriend, cop, teacher, therapist. Grow up, open your eyes and protect yourself from these narcissists and sociopaths.
Not to mention that he’s playing on hard mode because Canadians are soft af nowadays and the Canadian government is mad gey (literally)
@@joedaodragon3565 who hurt you?
@@joedaodragon3565 that's a very sad way to look at the world. i hope you get the help you need.
Yeah that's my idea. Though I will say that Linus is a bit of a narcissist who will twist things to benefit himself. Like how he made an email a day after GN mentioned they sold the billet labs block he claimed it was "auctioned off" yet later on he says he compensated billet immediately after he learned he sold it without permission. That doesn't follow.
I will also say that Linus's fear of losing their high spot on youtube has also induced the heavy crunch his entire team mentions and has lead to these problems. Even the billet labs video was caused by crunch as he didn't feel like spending a few hundred bucks to grab the right GPU for a proper test and then openly calling the product trash to the world.
The warranty issue was always a waste of time. I agree with Linus that warranties are a cheesy system with many cases they have so many back doors that almost nothing is actually covered by them. Like how I had headphones with a warranty, but that warranty does not cover drops, blowing up from excessive power, and has a cut off of 6 months for wear. What's the point? At that point it's just for products that came broken but you don't need a warranty for that.
With dislikes hidden how do you get those numbers?
Google Chrome extensions
This aged like milk
I don't really follow big channels like LTT or MKBHD for purchasing guidance as a techie myself, I always look more into end-user testimonials, as well as purchasing records and failure data. From what I've learned RUclips channels sure do have glossy reviews, but they don't really run deep into issues as they can only test from the perspective of using it fresh and not really on the daily basis like most consumers do. Say phone reviews, they say they use it as a daily driver, but that only lasts for a couple of weeks, then issues come in after a 2-3 months that's why consumer reviews are better than influencer reviews
I think yes and no, at the end of the day a mixture is best imo.
Aside from the huge issue that is bought user reviews, they can carry a lot of personal bias. And while there are some aspects to tech that are subjective, a lot really isn't. I think a user review of let's say a GPU is pretty much useless compared to a more professional one that runs different benchmarks.
And I don't think phones are really that different. Sure, you should check whether there have been issues in regards to longievity if you are looking at a product that has been out for a while. But it's not like you cannot make a judgement on most if not all the features of a phone after daily driving it for a couple weeks. I would even flip the script here and argue that I much rather trust someone like MKBHD to test every aspect of a phone in a month over some random user having a phone in a year. Because I am a random user and I would certainly miss something or not be enough of an expert to give a good opinion about let's say the quality of the microphone.
Which also ties into points of reference. For Mike, who upgraded his phone after 3 years, his new camera might be top-tier, the best camera he has ever seen. Simply because he cannot compare it to any other recent phone. While someone that tests these phones for a living can tell you exactly where this phone ranks in different scenarios. How let's say the iPhone gives you great Instagram shots but isn't necessary the best for photographers given it's immense boosting of colors to make images get that Instagram-pop.
I don't believe in 'review all' types of channels like Linus Tech Tips. If I want a professionally thorough review of a product, I watch niche channels whose content is dedicated to purely reviewing these types of products.
LTT is not used for purchase decisions lol. They are literally entertainment first and almost only with a few stats sprinkled in. IT's always funny to see people who actually think they are more than entertainment. It is literally made to get views and that is it, it is simple. Not as simple as many people here but still quite simple.
Most of the popular TechTubers just aren't as technical as they make themselves out to be. Most of their videos have a focus on world-class cinematography and editing while keeping the actual technical info relatively surface-level. It's designed to be easily digestible for the majority of viewers who aren't particularly knowledgeable in the product category being covered, and that extends to the vast majority of "techy people" who really aren't as knowledgeable as they may think.
This becomes pretty apparent with audio products, an industry where the average level of knowledge is damn near zero and those who take it seriously are a dedicated minority. TechTubers rarely have any real knowledge on audio and I struggle to take their reviews seriously. I don't expect them to be that knowledgeable but it becomes a problem when they start to assert themselves as authoritative figures on the topic and pass off their ill-informed opinions as fact.
ATH-M50X. Sony's WH-1000X series. Nothing Ear 1. Beats Studio Pro. soundcore Space One. What do these all have in common? They all have rather poor audio quality but were shot into popularity with casual audiences thanks to (oftentimes paid) coverage from popular TechTubers and other mainstream media who don't know any better. They're not a good source for purchasing advice.
@@jdmcarrepairs142 yea that's how I've always seen it never really used them for information only enjoyed the entertainment part although they've gotten kinda boring in that sense 😂
A winner takes responsibility, a loser blames everybody else.
well, in theory, or in a perfect world. but sadly IRL the 1st person to make accusations is the victor typically, not matter how repugnant they themselves are.
@@Uncle_Dave_Dave Amber Heard was the first one to make accusations, so was that loony who sued Gwyneth Paltrow, so were like a dozen RUclipsr against Moist Critikal.
The internet is filled with first accusers and unless they had some basis, they all blinked out from existence.
that's because the system values the accused's societal utility more than punishing them. Charlie and Johnny depp run bread and circus shows, you are supposed to have high confidence in people running bread and circus shows, because if you dont respect them you might notice how blatantly evil your government is.
@@undertheneonlights
@@undertheneonlights Amber Heard would have totally won had she not been such a greedy cow and stopped while she was still ahead.
Thank you for identifying the single biggest problem I had with Linus. I liked them as a Content creator "family" for so long, but it didnt take long until I had these weird vibes from Linus. How he always preached cohesion in the team, always said "I gotta be better than those scumbag CEOs", were friends not a company blablabla. And when big disaster of the week came around, Linus ""tried"" to take responsibility, but immediately shamed all involved people on camera. Or the rather whiny way he sometimes talked about "oh the channel is doing great, but thats only because I keep working 48 hours a day to fix peoples mistakes" while fucking side-eyeing one of his team so hard. Sure, theres worse people in the world but over the years his recessive assholes genes have become more apparent
So... downfall, eh? Well, currently, it seems that they have recovered completely.
Whoa whoa whoa, I still see LTT on top, wheres the downfall at?
Haven't watched the full video yet but it seems a bit of an exagerration to call it a downfall. You said he lost 200k subs which for a channel with over 15 million, isn't that much. And looking at his video views there does seem to be a bit of a drop but he's still averaging over a million views per video. I guess it's a bit of a downfall but his channel is still incredibly successful.
what did you expect from a "rise and fall" channel😂
It's just pointless click bait that's too late. Maybe this video would've been hot a couple months ago.
In no way it really is a "deserved" "downfall", much less a downfall at all.
Of course it is deserved. Entitlement and audacity of Linus and his fanbase is staggering
@@GamerBoy705_yt Fr when I saw this I was like damn a few months late no? He has since recovered from the controversy and people just told him to do better.
Linus has a lot of young fans and kids don't care about the indiscretions of their Influencer idols. I suspected Linus' cult of personality will let him survive though this and that was proven to be true.
not a fan of LTT but this seems like an L video
Downfall? More like Linus tripped over a loose shoelace while out walking, tied it, then got back up and contined walking.
10:37 showing the NVIDIA Quadro instead of a 4070 or something had me dying laughing
Human Resources departments exist to *protect the company* and they DGAF about the employees. If an employee gets too uppity and becomes a threat to the corporate leadership, the employee is punished and terminated.
This. 👌🏽
Well yes of course. Grow up, control your emotions and don’t get “uppity”. The normal rational human beings don’t end up by HR because of that.
Aka fired good on them
@@o0Donuts0ofr
HR departments exist to give useless women a place in the workforce. Don't have any employable skills? No problem! Go ahead and join our HR Dept. - we need to fill a quota anyways!
The bit about the female just reinforces: never hire women.
Unless the law is different in Canada, there is no way they can speak publicly about an employee’s conduct, even if it’s to clear their name. There are strong privacy protections for employees because of the power discrepancies and this is probably work related enough the get those protections.
Pretty sure they can provided they don't violate anyone's privacy like giving out names e.g. " we found out certain allegations to be true and we have taken neccesary actions bla bla bla". Very corporate and quite useless by Internet people's standarts since they love to point fingers and try to cancel .
They can refute allegations made in public since the person making them made it public knowledge to begin with. So they can say here this proves it was a lie but cannot add disparaging or unrelated stuff like and she drank all the coffee and never made more.
What a shithole country to live in.
And they dare scoff at supposed "third-world" countries... hah!
they should commit to publishing the findings IE we found/didnt find a culture of sexual harassment. Not person A groped person B at this and this time in this and this place
@@demonfedor3748 from a political/PR perspective though, it's probably better if they just never bring it up, even if they did nothing wrong, it doesn't help to remind people about nonsense. There is this whole thing about the human psyche known as "guilt by association", and it applies to events too. Like how a lot of insurance companies will increase your premiums if you get in a wreck, even if it is not your fault at all.
losing a bit over 1% of your subscribers isn't much of a downfall...