Near-Death Experiences and the Mysteries of Consciousness | Godehard Brüntrup in Conversation
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2021
- Godehard Brüntrup is a professor at the Munich School of Philosophy.
He deals with consciousness phenomena and has had an NDE himself.
Contents:
00:00:52 Near-death experiences are fantasies, dreams or just made up - do we take the easy way out by choosing such simplistic explanations?
00:06:22 The life review - If near-death experiences are triggered by the brain in whatever form, isn’t it incredible that the focus of near-death experiences is on ethical and moral aspects?
00:09:42 Which strategies would you generally suggest in order to deal with this phenomenon of near-death experiences?
00:13:17 Couldn’t it be the longing to explain something in simple terms within the framework of an established and familiar conception of the world?
00:17:20 The question whether the brain creates consciousness or transfers consciousness also plays a central role in the assessment of near-death experiences.
00:18:53 There is also the phenomenon of a terminal clear mind …
00:21:18 Which connections do you see between near-death experiences and religion?
00:23:11 Don’t you think that many established religious representatives might worry when there are people out there who’ve had a revelation outside of holy texts?
00:26:09 So your conclusion is that it is about valuing near-death experiences as a deep mystic experience?
00:29:20 What does this mean for you with regards to coma patients or people who are prepared for organ removals?
00:36:50 What prompted you to look into the topic of near-death experiences?
00:39:58 Was it difficult to talk about your own near-death experience?
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I absolutely love this channel! I was clinically dead for four minutes, no heartbeat no brain activity, Then I was on life support for three days, they were the best three days of my life! Without the limitations of a human brain, I could tell what everybody was thinking including being aware of my mother abroad getting on the plane to come to London to say goodbye to her daughter because they had told her I had hours to live! I had 17 surgeries to save my legs which they said I would never walk again! Today I go jogging all the time! It took me a year to get out of hospital, but I did it, standing up with crutches! I was able to tell the surgeons what they were talking about and what he was thinking about while they were trying to bring me back to life! I’m looking forward to die now, because there is no death! We really really are omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent! And we could have been to that part of ourselves while we are still physical and we all have a sixth sense- it’s our emotions!
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Hi, Maria Is there anywhere we can read about your experience in total ? It sounds fascinating !
You have to make a video on that .....
I would like to see it anyway .....if you do let me know from this comment page......
God bless
You owe it to us all spread the word so to speak 🗣️🗣️
Sorry. I need more evidence that her story is truthful, part of it sounds far fetched to me, unless her natural IQ is at least 160. Perhaps it is.
Similar to what you had but mine was bleeding brain aneurysm.
3weeks ICU on life support
Also told wife no brain activity
Also thought I was a gonner
Woke up with 5 surgeons watching me without saying anything.
Had vivid dreams or nde like outside hospital ect and even climbing back in my hospital bed
I passed out at home never knew I was in hospital
Took 7months with rehabilitation to get back to normal
Was 12years ago
Still vivid events so it could not have been a dream that fades
Incredible! I'm so happy to hear how you have recovered and a little bit about what happened when you "died". I've been listening to interviews and learning about nde since 2018 and it's so encouraging to understand that we truly are eternal.
You might consider being interviewed on two different RUclips channels that have wonderful hosts and audiences. The channels are the Jeffmara Podcast and We Don't Die Radio, hosted by Sandra Champlain. It helped me more than I can put into words, to be able to cope with multiple deaths that year. I know it helps a lot of people who are grieving to learn that our physical death is not the end of us and we go to an amazing place after we leave our bodies.
You would help a lot of people by telling your story. I'm not sure how I would have been able to get through all of my losses without having some new information that gave me hope. After all this time I've become even more convinced that what people who have had ndes describe is legitimate.
I suppose there may be some people who make up stories. But I think for the most part the people that speak out are genuinely interested in helping others by telling their stories. Please consider going to both of those channels and listening to some nde interviews and then you can decide if you want to contact the hosts.
Fascinating. After reading, listening to, and observing hundreds of cases, I'm coming to the conclusion that the term “NDE” is becoming increasingly inadequate to refer to what happened to these people.
The most obvious feature of the experience is not that they just got "near" to something. They were effectively right in the midst of the mystery. The raw meaning of their existence, in an environment that, in their own words, was more real than our waking conscious reality. Most of them do not believe that death is final or that it even exists.
It's clearly an augmented conscious experience, not quite related to our poor concept of death.
But I think changing that acronym will only happen when our collective understanding of consciousness and life in general also improves.
The term Near Death Experience doesn't seem quite right to me either.
At the time mark 2:31 Rosemary Ringer calls her experience not Near Death Experience but "Temporary Death" and that sounds quite appropriate to me.
ruclips.net/video/0OjYtaWv2HA/видео.html
@@benedettobruno1669 Yes, this seems more fitting. Thanks for sharing the vídeo.
hear hear ;)
I notice three distinct commonalities among people who merge with the light during their NDEs.
1) An overwhelming feeling of being intensely loved, which often begins before the actual merger.
2) A realization they they are made of the same conscious stuff as the light, that they are one with the light.
3) They have a complete understanding of all of reality, which they all lose memory of when they "uncouple" from the light and return to their bodies. But they do remember that they had this knowledge while merged with they light. They just can't recall what it is.
So yeah. They're not near it. They're IN it! LOL
I'm glad that those who have had these very mysterious, wondrous NDEs are taken more seriously now.
It cheers me up that science can't come along and debunk them. The scientists clever though they are don't know everything.
Death is not just death!
Also, the events in these NDEs give me hope as they may offer a degree of accountability to one's actions in life.
Perhaps there's some justice after all?
And to also give hope to all of those who have lost someone they loved is the infinitely the best! ♡
Wonderful interview with a very compelling guest. The more I learn about ndes the more secure I feel and the more able I am to cope with grief and loss. Thank you so much for sharing this powerful interview.
I remember feeling alone, distanced and detached from society around age 18 after my out of body experiences. It was like feeling homesick. I wanted to go back to that other world again. I can relate with how this gentleman describes how he felt after his own out of body experiences as a child.
VERIFIABLE/VERIDICAL NDE's have the best case of validity. Hard to dispute what is seen/heard by 3 or more parties and may not even know the person who is having the NDE. Even when the brain is flat lined EEG, they are still able to remember their experience's while this is taking place and many years later. Amazing by this itself. Then to have someone verify this actually happened would be amazing!
To have a NDE outside of a traumatic event? Who says you can't. Guessing it would have to be Traumatic, to either the brain or the body to have one. Doesn't take away from the NDE at all. NDE's just makes sense. Thanks Thanatos TV EN
That’s a beautiful green shirt, looks great on you. Thank you 🙏 for this podcast in English.
Death is just a bend in the road. Like getting out of your vehicle and walking away. To a far more real environment than the physical.
This world is the matrix. We are the ghost in the machine connected via wifi
NOT From what i gather from these near death experiencers though, they say life is where it's at there are no physical experiences possible hence the draw to EXPERIENCE trust me LIFE is SACRED it IS what it's all about! All religions try to get you to reject your physical life and promise a better afterlife :) just WHY do you think those that came up with this put that IN their books :) such as HOLD THE OTHER CHEEK or GIVE CAESAR WHAT IS HIS ... very wonderous isn't it
@@pietpompiepompiepiet940 how about WE CHANGE this world :) cause there is nothing wrong or broke with the planet , it's beautiful, it's the minds of people that are broken mostly by RELIGIONS.
I am fully Conscious now; it seemed to evolve slowly. However, I am beginning to realize that I acquired a different mind set after the 3rd (or 4th) episode. Now that I've listened to this podcast, partitialy, I realize that during my last hospitalization, I was in a semi private room with a dying woman. There were 2 people in the room watching us...monitoring us. Apparently, I had just awakened, being transferred from another hospital to a local Navy Hospital. I immediately complained to the staff that the two people monitoring me were hired Street people, and that the woman wailing in the bed next to me was dying. I requested a different room. Within 15 minutes the Street people were removed, and so was the dying woman. Apparently I slipped in and out of sleep or consciousness because I eventually found myself back at the rehab center.
I fully accepted the reality of my physical disability and eagerly began physical therapy. I could continue, but this is only the beginning of my changed mind set. I watched on cable TV, the Iraq War unfold, knowing fully that the US Government was telling us POPPYCOCK. Then later came 911, which I knew immediately that we had been fed more Poppycock! This is only my newly formed Consciousness...it took several more years before I experienced a "shift" in my sleep, as Eckhart Tolle reported. Following this, I immediately understood much of Eastern philosophy, as taught in Meditation practices of early Tolle. He has had to alter his approach to meditation as he realized much of what he hoped to accomplish was simply not realistic. I could elaborate more, but I think my drift is clear. I would love to compare notes with those who have experienced similar changes in Consciousness, followed close encounters with DEATH.
I've had hyper real dreams like this when iv'e slept in the afternoon. Though no NDE here.
In our everyday life i found out it's basically a flow or synchronous and metaphysical. But within large confines.
Our creativity is a download for one thing.
Thank you! I love this channel. I have been able to believe all those who told their stories. The host seems like a very nice person too. Probably helps that it isn't made in America.
Ha ha 😆 funny I know what you mean.......
Bit over the top aren't they........
One of the best channels on youtube. Well done.🤩
Another important aspect of the life review is that people not only relive their own lives in great detail, but they co-live empathichally the sensations of the people involved in the events of review. The near death experiencers can feel on themselves the effects that their own actions had on the others. So how could a dying brain make you feel the sensations of other people and reflect on the consequences of every action and on the meaning of life in general?
A very interesting & intriguing interview. I've listened several times now & am still trying to digest everything in it.
If we could really take even just a small peek into the NDE with empirical tools so many questions about consciousness & reality could be answered & I'm sure so many more questions would arise. Fascinating topic.
Imagine if the blind could be cured without organ transplants or surgery.
Row row row your boat, gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily.... LIFE IS BUT A DREAM! Subsequently, the need for a Psychic Awakening from the dream.
Who really knows? This is as good an explanation as any. lol.
The Dream OF Illusion where most people live?
A secondary consciousness that does not require sensory data wasn't something I had considered. Fascinating.
Once upon a time I was somewhat "closed-minded" on the notion of altered states of consciousness, lucid dreaming, NDEs etc, UNTIL I had out of body experiences and Lucid Dreams myself, and now I know how important it is to keep an open mind !
I think his insight on this topic is pretty accurate. I loved this episode very much
It's not the brain, but I can see how some can only see that. My experiences was certainly not that. I questioned everything as I once only believed in science. But now I know. The Holy Spirit is LOVE💖💖💖 I am blessed with the gift of knowing💖
Thank you for sharing. Very informative.
Isn't saying "damaged brain is irreversible"
Contradicting or limiting the limitless?
Isn't thr whole thing beyond the ego's limited perspective? If God / Source cannot fix what you couldn't; what's this conversation about?
Thanks again. Love listening. Very impressive. I trust you are not imagining any of it. Our God is helping us awaken in many ways 🙏 🙏🙏♥️♥️♥️
1 Cor 13:8b-12 "For if there are prophecies they will be fulfilled and done with, if there are "tongues" the need for them will disappear, if there is knowledge it will be swallowed up in truth. For our knowledge is always incomplete and our prophecy is always incomplete, and when the complete comes, that is the end of the incomplete. When I was a little child I talked and felt like a little child. Now that I am a man I am finished with childish things. At present we are men looking at puzzling reflections in a mirror. The time will come when we shall see reality whole and face to face! At present all I know is a small fraction of the truth, but the time will come when I shall know it as fully as God has known me!"
Hello Thanatos ! Very good interview ! Would you have any idea about the Hungarian case he mentions at 3.49 ?
Blind people can see during nde. Wow.
I like the speaker in the radio analogy. A succinct description of the problem.
I had my “channel” opened by a shared death experience then would have ultra high resolution visions every few years and I did a very safe form of ayahuasca (DMT). Each of those things showed me major events in my life in incredible detail many years before they happened. I even documented one of the visions in an email, so I could actually show *proof* that I was shown something years before it happened.
Can you provide any more details ? It sounds fascinating.
@@Lalakis Details of which part? I could write a book on it all. But I think the key to showing proof of these things is documenting and recording things very well.
What people seemingly don't realize, is that we are spirits having a human experience... We all chose (although we may not remember) our parents and situations and experiences before coming to earth. Unfortunately, most religion has been corrupting the TRUE message, which is to LOVE EACH OTHER, and spread ❤
We all will return "Home" adventually.
Thank you. Great channel
Progress of the psyche:
1- insane & not knowing it.
2- insane & knowing it.
3- sane & not knowing it.
4- sane and knowing it.
5- knowing you know.
6- knowing you know you know.
7- knowing God knows you know you know.
It takes only 3 witnesses in a court of law, to come to a conclusion, but after documenting thousands of near death experiences, the reality of an afterlife is still questioned. How much evidence is needed to verify the afterlife?
Law is not the same as science. Testimony of a witness is the worst and least reliable scientific instrument .
@@Lalakis - the same problem exists in the sciences. Humans are doing the work. If we can’t trust testimonies of people, why should we trust the conclusions of scientists? These are ALL human endeavors. There’s always room for error.
Edit: instruments also fail at times. Faulty design, wear and tear, etc. The scientists aren’t as empirical as they always claim to be. There’s prizes, prestige and corruption in the sciences as well.
I suggest that we must simply wait to experience what happens to us at death. Why is this knowledge so important now? We have the gift of life to celebrate as long as possible.
I'd say it's 50/50 what's going on i'm not 100% convinced.
Best cases are like when people who are blind from birth actually see in a NDE.
@@kirstinstrand6292 wonderful! 👏
Great discussion
It’s all consciousness uploads - advanced technology at work !
as to be expected in a simulation
Universal Consciousness does not yield to the limits of human terminology..
let’s keep guessing.. 😏😉😆
It's amazing those who were sent back didn't want to come back , plus meeting their deceased family & friends also seeing their life review on how their actions affected others .
Others report the work they did whilst there & also the leisure & feelings of orgasmic bliss .
What amazes me those with stage 4 cancer or the blind are sent back & cured with in months .
All that have had this experience bankers Drs lawyers completely changed life to that of the caring arena knowing love is the real currency .
20 million people have now had such experience.
I think God is trying to teach us something . Those who go through remember every detail crystal clear for ever ! Amazing !
Indeed! 👏
I suspect that, for the millennia that humans have been on this planet, the number is greater still..
(And I think of the vast numbers of people who have been ‘put away’ because they can hear voices or make accurate predictions about the future ; the women burned to death because they had access to a level of awareness others didn’t understand..)
We ARE FAR MORE than we are led to believe, imo. 🥳
(Think it’s time to find out.. 😉😏)
The 'mind' is the brain of consciousness, not the brain of the body. The connection to source.
Sunseeker- finally someone gets it right, hallelujah!
Amazing
I apologize for all these posts that I write, as I listen to more of this discussion. Very recently, I've been thinking that Alzheimer's and Dementia are not the result of organic brain breakdown. Could it be from collateral confusion and lack of identity? Authoritarianism originating from parental influence creates a mind set in many people. Is it any wonder that many people are confused and "stuck?" I do not believe Alzheimer's has been throughly studied. The surface of these mental breakdowns has barely been scratched. We are working with outdated models, as far as I'm concerned.
I will finish listening another time. Apologies.
The light being is god he said he doesn't need a name, that everyone knows who he is. He knows everything isn't that awesome!!!
God is within. Our task as Earthlings is to untap the innate knowledge that God has given mankind. Only we can make sense of our personal selves. Praying to God, out there is Hopium. Fix yourselves; It is possible.
@@kirstinstrand6292 - - are you sure? If God is within, who or what put the planets in rotation? If you did, wouldn’t you have knowledge of it?
Sorry, the only reason God is within us is the fact we are part of the creation. There must be a Creator beyond humans. The evidence is overwhelming.
If our job is to “untap” innate knowledge, what knowledge do you have of the origins of the galaxies? Sorry, God is OUTSIDE of you.
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Agreed. as we are part of the Whole, we are not ‘separate’ and therefore, “god Consciousness’ is ALSO who we ARE..
It’s time to explore this further.. 🥳👀🙌
Yay!
NDE - C Scale 80 out of 80 doesn't begin to cover it. It would be interesting to talk to this fella, if I spoke Duetch.
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I suppose that the start of a proper systematic analysis of the NDE would be two organize 2 divisions or categories of experiences, one category would be those experiences that occurred durring the person's lifetime in the body, and those that did not occur in the body, for example, heavenly cities, or morbid hells. Also, for example, the shoe seen on the third floor of the hospital during the NDE in which it was physically impossible to se it up there on the ledge. A set A , set B, subset C organization of what elements of the NDE experience are common to all, and which elements are unique to one particular individual. Merely passing opinions back and forth accomplish nothing so far as , for example, defining the difference between the dream state and the NDE. But the final stop in our contemplations is consciousness/life does continue after the body can not be inhabited. My own belief is that God wants all his creation to be in heaven, either drawn into heaven by love, or driven into heaven by terror. Thank you for your creating this forum as an honest encouragement to those people confronted by "death".
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@0:01 thru 0:23 ...wait what?
if that's the case & proves true, doesn't that explain a lot in regards to an alternative explanation to most NDE's altogether? maybe I misunderstand
You are trying to correlate the driver of a vehicle with the motor of that vehicle. The motor or brain of the vehicle does nothing, until the driver asserts control. Then the driver (consciousness) and the motor (brain) and the vehicle itself (body) can operate as one. When the body and brain are inactive, the driver is still active and can either exit the vehicle and leave, or watch over the vehicle as it is repaired, or get back in and drive the vehicle again. The motor and vehicle are always under the control of the driver. Until the driver exits and leaves. And the driver brings with it, the breath or spirit, to activate the vehicle for movement. The brain is the interface to move the body for result only. Conscious spirit is the cause.
Not a bad way to articulate it. Sadly we live in a world that only accepts materialistic answers. It’s going to take a personal experience for the skeptics to acknowledge what many have already been trying to articulate.
Totally agree, unfortunately, what David Simmons says is also true.
@@davesimmons5217 yes, personal experience is the only thing to really believe. Everything else is just a good idea, until it is experienced.
Sunseeker-an excellent analogy it should make it clear to everyone, thanks for your input.
@@davesimmons5217 it's like in the same way no one can really "know" what it's like to experience anything unless they've had the same or extremely similar experience, and though not related to this lecture it's also related to one of the reasons for reincarnation.
I've had at least 3 NDs, due to an emergency brain aneurysm, surgical stroke, and allergic reaction to Dilantun. The standard NDE,
popularized on RUclips etc., always confused me, since I experienced no such similarities. I eventually decided those that claimed NDE were spinning Poppycock...NONSENSE!
you mean you had no experience in those 3 things?
Explain more please of your experiences then, and how they differ?
16:12 Causal connections, not casual connections!
16:13 "causal" (not "casual")
I truly don't know if the brain creates or transfers Consciousness. It's a good question; off the top of my head, I would say the brain transfers Consciousness. Or the opportunity for Consciousness is created. There is still much to do, in order to develop full Consciousness. However, a seed has been planted - seemingly in the brain...yet it would be impossible to know the location of the "implanted seed." Where do sleep dreams originate. Is this known? If the brain has conscious and unconscious matter, the seed allows more of the unconscious to slowly evolve - perhaps with greater drive and force, then possible in those that came close to death, but not near to death. Of course, these ideas are only entering my mind, as I key them into my smartphone. Believe me, a person is totally "out of it" when near death. And to imagine a brain aware enough to elucidate thoughts and feelings, and visions seems very unlikely.
But brain surgery is different than heart surgery or stroke. When a person is physically unconscious, not much awareness of anything is possible.
Muchas gracias por tan maravillosa entrevista .
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3:20 Godehard Brüntrup -"The main reason being that apparently near-death experiences occur in situations where the brain doesn’t work under normal circumstances anymore."
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? "The brain doesn’t work under normal circumstances anymore"?.
I think it is time Near Death Experiences were be divided into 2 categories:
1. Medication/anaesthetic/drug-induced NDEs - these happen in hospitals under medical care and outside hospitals in people taking recreational drugs.
2. Spontaneous/meditation/prayer-induced NDEs or sleep-induced NDEs - these have nothing to do with medications, anaesthesia and drug.
So here Godehard Brüntrup seems to have referred only to NDEs that were medication/anaesthetic/drug-induced and left out of the equation the entire category of spontaneous/meditation/prayer-induced NDEs or sleep-induced NDEs. Big mistake.
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6:45 Werner Huemer - "If Near-Death Experiences are triggered by the brain in whatever form, isn’t it incredible that the focus of near-death experiences is on ethical and moral aspects?"
This is one of the most interesting questions I have heard on any NDE RUclips video..
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40:40 Godehard Brüntrup - "And even today, I still do it with a certain reluctance because there is such a big disparity between what I experienced and what I’m able to express in language".
Oh come on Mister Brüntrup! Here you are not on morning television but on Thanatos TV where there is a large audience who comes here precisely to hear as many details as possible about Near Death Experiences! It is very disappointing that you didn't tell us your story and blamed it on Human language not being adequate! Please change your mind and come back on Thanatos TV with a new video entirely about your own NDE!
I understand that Godehard Brüntrup is reticent to discuss his near death experience. But now that the cat is out of the bag, why didn't the interviewer at least press the issue so we can hear in Mr. Brüntrup's own words either some segments of his NDE that he may be willing to share or a confirmation that he won't.
Thank God for the inventors of the internet and RUclips. Thank God it's not true, that the worst sin you can commit is to simply not believe in Christ. Ate at me for years. Christian for five years. Agnostic for 15. Atheist for two months. And now connected with God and at peace
.. but not what is written and based on human politic fore the last tousand years I hope ? The God word is so loaded with " crap" and homemade interpretation , all to what suits the purpose fore the individual - preferable a male. Its peculiar how humans have made å god who the people in power can control other people with. So I think we need to find another word for the everything end everyone spirit or mind who is in everything.
I was going to watch all of this video but after 2 minutes I realised that I don't need any convincing that we are consciousness and that when our physical body dies we go on living. It just occurred to me that (laughing) human beings or scientists trying to explain death and the afterlife in so called "rational terms" is completely laughable to me :)))
It just humors me that a mere human thinks he can Scientifically figure out God and all Source with his blob of a meat brain that is dying every minute LOL
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Don't tell me - instead of trying to work this out you just read the Bible?
Yabba Dabba Doo
Religion is a lie. Just lives your best lives, people.
Religion has nothing to do with this subject matter - but I agree with your comment, 👏
Yes, but this video isn’t about religion