There is (or was) a GG-1 cab at the Franklin Institute I Philadelphia. The view forward out the engineer's window was quite limited. He/she couldn't see straight across the cab, either. It was vital that there be another crew member on the other side of the cab.
A GG1 engineer was asked if the limited sight line forward bothered him. "Not really" he said, "We can't stop on a dime anyway!" When you come down to it the limited sight wasn't all that different from a steam locomotive which most Pennsy engineers were used to.
I’d have to dig through my RR pictures, but I’m pretty sure I photographed those about 30-some years ago, but it was just the 2 GG-1s and they were both beside a main road in a different area. These have degraded a lot since I saw them in person.
@@rogera.ellison9631 there’s also a caboose and a passenger car nearby. This place is in the middle of nowhere but I’m starting to see how it makes sense. Right place right time. Lucky to have what we have. I like the “abandoned” look of them but can’t wait to see a restored type.
@2:49 Looks to be a Delaware & Hudson 50ft boxcar from about the late sixties and a shame the spec numbers are all gone. Apparently CP bought them out in 1991.
I bet these have a lot of miles and stories they could tell! Would have liked to see what was inside of the old Wood boxcar, looked like it had a bunch of stuff in there xD.
@@OldGrizz-p9p WOW definitely going to check out it out. Lots of train geeks in my world - that’d be a fun trip. Ringing my bud now - who is train nuts! He has a huge urban layout with dozens and dozens and dozens of passenger trains, light rail and street cars. I’ll post a “short “ soon!
Wasn't a reason why Conrail and AMTRAK stopped using them was a change in the type of power supply used in the former PRR territory and it was too costly or impossible to retrofit the GG-1 engines to accommodate the change?
It was bit more complex. Certainly there was the power supply change coming but also after nearly 50 years of use the GG1's were nearly worn out. Many had developed frame cracks. Also, the EPA determined that the PCB's in the GG1's transformer cooling oil were of a high carcinogenic level. Power change, frame cracks, PCB's. "Three strikes, you're out." It was that simple.
@@iPlaneFun No, not really. The PRR rebuilt and re-engineered the mainlines where GG1's operated with those locomotives in mind, some sections having rail that weighed 155 pounds to the yard, the heaviest ever used by any railroad. Wherever the wires went the G's could go with no problem. Those old mainlines like the Northeast Corridor and Amtrak's lines out to Harrisburg still have some of the heaviest rail out there,
What i find rather odd about the GG1 is the physical design. Almost a throwback to the steam loco with the cab at the back and looking along the boiler. Americsn had already devloped an adopted diesel elctric traction where the cac was virtually at the front, so it begs the question why did they look put a cab at either end.
Cabs were placed in the center of the GG1's due to some severe grade crossing accidents where the crews of the Pennsy's earlier electric locomotives, the P5 Class, were killed in the collisions, the P5 cabs were located in the front of the locomotives. Also, being out in front without 50+ feet of steel between them and a collision made a lot of veteran engineers VERY nervous. That would carry over into the early diesel era as well, E and F unit diesels made veteran engineers nervous as well. Nowadays it's no big deal with train crews, front end cabs don't bother them.
@@iPlaneFun the railroads didn't abandon electric railway systems, to be truthful it has been expanded..........from Washington DC to Boston. Conrail abandoned all of its electric engines in favor of DIESEL, but all new systems are electric such as light rail.
It's a bit of a complicated subject to go into but briefly when diesel locomotive were developed to a good level of efficiency railroads with electrified lines looked at the numbers and saw in some cases it would be cheaper to run diesel-electric locomotives than running straight electric ones. It was expensive to maintain overhead catenary and to generate their own electric power to run the system. Where electric operations made economic sense they stayed, where they didn't they were removed. It was as simple as that.
@ ok ok. I’ll give you that. I clearly saw the signs, but it could be concluded that no trespassing on/in the trains/cars. Again, I do appreciate the info and will leave the comment up in case others visit the site. Merry Christmas!🎁🎄
It implies to the ENTIRE PROPERTY. Posted private property, even down by where you parked your car. Plans are in the works for leveling out the area and building track down to the caboose on level ground and move the GG1's off the hill. That's what the ties are for once the wall and storage tracks are done in Milford. Stop there for the full story on what's going on and any permission for being on the property.
@ got it. Thanks again for clarifying/bringing this to my attention. I was very respectful of the trains and didn’t climb on. Take anything, go into, or otherwise damage.
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They're not abandoned. As far as I know they are owned by the Leatherstocking railroad. I know the place they are stored on thier tracks.
Interesting. Thank you!
Abandoned or not, doesnt look like theyre going anywhere anytime fast.
Not without catenary.
@@truezeron1033 true story!
@@erie910 facts.
Loved the details and tour.
@@michaelannen4168 Thank you 🙏 such a rare find. Appreciate your comment!
There is (or was) a GG-1 cab at the Franklin Institute I Philadelphia. The view forward out the engineer's window was quite limited. He/she couldn't see straight across the cab, either. It was vital that there be another crew member on the other side of the cab.
A GG1 engineer was asked if the limited sight line forward bothered him. "Not really" he said, "We can't stop on a dime anyway!" When you come down to it the limited sight wasn't all that different from a steam locomotive which most Pennsy engineers were used to.
@@erie910 fascinating. Great info
I’d have to dig through my RR pictures, but I’m pretty sure I photographed those about 30-some years ago, but it was just the 2 GG-1s and they were both beside a main road in a different area. These have degraded a lot since I saw them in person.
@@rogera.ellison9631 there’s also a caboose and a passenger car nearby. This place is in the middle of nowhere but I’m starting to see how it makes sense. Right place right time. Lucky to have what we have. I like the “abandoned” look of them but can’t wait to see a restored type.
How cool, still sitting there after all these year's!
!Good video, like!
She is one of 16 GG1's preserved and owned by the GG1 preservation society since 2007.
So she is not "abandoned ".
@@dancedecker thanks for the info. I saw that in writing somewhere but I thought it was for a restored set of 16. But I get it now. Thanks again!
@iPlaneFun You are welcome
“ stored “
There are 8 restored GG-1 locos, without their electric motors, because they leaked PCBs. One is #4935 @ the PA Railroad Museum in Strasburg, Pa.
@@johnphillips4342 great info. Thanks
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@2:49 Looks to be a Delaware & Hudson 50ft boxcar from about the late sixties and a shame the spec numbers are all gone. Apparently CP bought them out in 1991.
@@Don_ECHOguy great info
Well, this location is just a hop, skip and a jump from what used to be the D&H mainline.
Delaware meaning the river, right?
Oneonta used to have a huge table it's a shame it's not still around
I bet these have a lot of miles and stories they could tell! Would have liked to see what was inside of the old Wood boxcar, looked like it had a bunch of stuff in there xD.
The PRR never had a better locomotive than the GG1.
@@kc4cvh such a unique look. I heard they were - and they certainly look super heavy!
Certainly no-one's really had a better electric!
@ really. Wow. Love all the comments!
What are the coordinates to the locomotive?
@@Bluecomet_833 I’ll find out! But very easy to find in Cooperstown Junction NY
@ ok!
@@Bluecomet_833 42.49443° N, 74.96503° W
@ coordinates sent
@ ok!
Where did you get this train? Did you sleep in the caboose last night?
@@mrw4724 how did you know? 😂
Incredible
@@OldGrizz-p9p such weird looking locomotives. Never heard of them until I saw @xtbrat video
@@iPlaneFun there's a couple of them near my place at the Strasburg railroad museum
@ is that PA? Well I’m looking it up now. Thanks so much!
@iPlaneFun yes,southeastern Pa,not far from Lancaster. One of the largest train displays in the world
@@OldGrizz-p9p WOW definitely going to check out it out. Lots of train geeks in my world - that’d be a fun trip. Ringing my bud now - who is train nuts! He has a huge urban layout with dozens and dozens and dozens of passenger trains, light rail and street cars. I’ll post a “short “ soon!
Wasn't a reason why Conrail and AMTRAK stopped using them was a change in the type of power supply used in the former PRR territory and it was too costly or impossible to retrofit the GG-1 engines to accommodate the change?
It was bit more complex. Certainly there was the power supply change coming but also after nearly 50 years of use the GG1's were nearly worn out. Many had developed frame cracks. Also, the EPA determined that the PCB's in the GG1's transformer cooling oil were of a high carcinogenic level.
Power change, frame cracks, PCB's. "Three strikes, you're out." It was that simple.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 weren’t they too heavy as well?
@@iPlaneFun No, not really. The PRR rebuilt and re-engineered the mainlines where GG1's operated with those locomotives in mind, some sections having rail that weighed 155 pounds to the yard, the heaviest ever used by any railroad. Wherever the wires went the G's could go with no problem. Those old mainlines like the Northeast Corridor and Amtrak's lines out to Harrisburg still have some of the heaviest rail out there,
@ got it. Thanks again!
@@iPlaneFun You're welcome!
What i find rather odd about the GG1 is the physical design. Almost a throwback to the steam loco with the cab at the back and looking along the boiler.
Americsn had already devloped an adopted diesel elctric traction where the cac was virtually at the front, so it begs the question why did they look put a cab at either end.
@@Steven_Rowe odd indeed. Radical yet not for the period
Cabs were placed in the center of the GG1's due to some severe grade crossing accidents where the crews of the Pennsy's earlier electric locomotives, the P5 Class, were killed in the collisions, the P5 cabs were located in the front of the locomotives. Also, being out in front without 50+ feet of steel between them and a collision made a lot of veteran engineers VERY nervous. That would carry over into the early diesel era as well, E and F unit diesels made veteran engineers nervous as well. Nowadays it's no big deal with train crews, front end cabs don't bother them.
@ 📌. Thanks!!
I know exactly where this is. Not far from me and I have been to them.
@@Flight--tz5nf so cool. I’m about 45 minutes from them.
nice
@@slserenader thank you for watching!
when did they stop building wooden box cars?
@@scottmorse1798 good question. I’m gonna guess late 1940’s? Dunno. Hopefully we will get an answer
@@iPlaneFun More like early to mid 30's I think. They continued to be maintained and in service for another twenty years or so.
The D&H had a car building shop in Oneonta, just a few miles south of Cooperstown Junction, years ago.
@ wow! Very cool
Hopefully everything will be saved.
@@PatrioticCoservativeAmerican I don’t think the train is going anywhere! Such a cool find
Is that a mail car or workmen's car? Why did we abandon the catenary railway systems and electric locomotives?
@@nertocs that’s a good question! I’m sure someone will have an answer! Stay tuned
@@iPlaneFun the railroads didn't abandon electric railway systems, to be truthful it has been expanded..........from Washington DC to Boston. Conrail abandoned all of its electric engines in favor of DIESEL, but all new systems are electric such as light rail.
“ mail “
@ thanks for the answer
It's a bit of a complicated subject to go into but briefly when diesel locomotive were developed to a good level of efficiency railroads with electrified lines looked at the numbers and saw in some cases it would be cheaper to run diesel-electric locomotives than running straight electric ones. It was expensive to maintain overhead catenary and to generate their own electric power to run the system.
Where electric operations made economic sense they stayed, where they didn't they were removed. It was as simple as that.
@3:36 - *Conrail Quality*
Is that the conrail blue showing thru?
Restore please
Remember:
This IS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND YOUR ON CAMERA 📷. WELCOME TO EXPLORE, BUT!, STOP BY THE DEPOT AT MILFORD AND SEEK PERMISSION FIRST!!!
@@richardbause2453 thanks for the warning. I didn’t see one sign that said that. I looked because I’m always getting into trouble it seems.
@iPlaneFun
I think if you look closely enough in your video on the side of the engine it says in English "NO TRESSPASSING"😒🤔.
@ ok ok. I’ll give you that. I clearly saw the signs, but it could be concluded that no trespassing on/in the trains/cars. Again, I do appreciate the info and will leave the comment up in case others visit the site. Merry Christmas!🎁🎄
It implies to the ENTIRE PROPERTY. Posted private property, even down by where you parked your car.
Plans are in the works for leveling out the area and building track down to the caboose on level ground and move the GG1's off the hill. That's what the ties are for once the wall and storage tracks are done in Milford.
Stop there for the full story on what's going on and any permission for being on the property.
@ got it. Thanks again for clarifying/bringing this to my attention. I was very respectful of the trains and didn’t climb on. Take anything, go into, or otherwise damage.