I'm from Leeds. I took great pride in the Fink usually announcing Davey Boy from Leeds, untill I learned he was from Manchester. Bulldog will always have a special place in my memories. Back in 97 I saw him and Owen team up. On the way to the ring I was screaming their names and they both winked at me and smiled. I'm 33 and still remember that moment as vivid as the birth of my kids. Much love from the UK.
Bulldog became my favorite guy after Royal Rumble 91 when he tossed all these people out and lasted until the end with Hogan. Then Warlord at Mania. It was great to be a Bulldog fan. In the mid 90's he played the top heel in a few championship matches just to lose to guys like Bret, Shawn, Diesel, and Undertaker, but when the Foundation came together around 96/97, they made him really strong again. He didn't really ever lose in that era. Actually, most of the Hart Foundation did not lose around then (save maybe for Anvil). Awesome time for a Bulldog/Bret/Owen fan! Davey was never the same after Shawn beat him for the millionth time at One Night Only. Nate is not the only one who noticed Michaels beat him every time! Fans know this stuff!
Saw bulldog main event house show in Birmingham (England) in Oct 1991 against earthquake. He came to the ring with Andre! 1 of the greatest nights of my life Davey is a national treasure! R.I.P Bulldog
2:05:00 According to Cornette, he thought it was Bruce Prichard on the phone pretending to be Stu Hart and it was Bruce walking in the door that made him realise it was really Stu.
I gave Him 15 bucks for a nice signed photo and a pic..Wasnt too bad, Dont mi d paying a little for a pic photo and auto but when its at a show and U run into them, thats b.s! I Hung outside a WCW House Show In Rock Hill SC in July 1996 with Eddie Guerrero! He signed Autographs for My friends n I and chatted for a good hour! It was dark b4 he left. P.E, Haku also came by and signed..Awesome day!
You can't underestimate how big a star Big Daddy was in the UK. There was only 3 channels during his peak so the viewers must have been 20 to 25 million each week. He was also a crossover star and made regular appearances on kids tv.
I saw Bulldog and Animal (from L.o.D.) standing outside the Tower of London in '92 both eating ice creams. One of them had a cut/injury on their leg (forget which). Was absolutely shocked to see them as a little kid - had no idea they were even in the UK at the time.
Jaems Harilie That might have been after Summerslam 92 where Animal told a story that he burnt his leg from the motorcycle he drove to the ring. Makes sense to me
So glad you guys did that research and put a mention in about big daddy and giant haystacks, they were what got us in the uk into wrestling and I really love that you guys finally done a show on bulldog and actually went right back to the start of his career! Fantastic!
They had Bulldog go out and promise to beat Shawn at One Night Only and dedicate it to his sister Tracy who was dying of Cancer at the time. That was why Bret was so pissed at how that event finished.
I loved the British bulldogs as a kid they were my favorite tag team I was devastated when Jimmy Hart and the Hart foundation stole the tag titles on superstars or challenge on Saturday morning
I love this show, but I found myself disagreeing with Bruce on this one to the point of annoyance. Conrad dropped the ball a few times by skipping over bs comments instead of calling him out on them.
@RyuHayabusa751 That's certainly how I remember it. Even during the match they were occasionally showing Diana Smith and commenting on where her allegiances lay.
the word "rib" gives the impression of a practical joke but for the bulldogs included stuff like drugging someones drink and then urinating in their face when they were incapacitated but still conscious
Just want to add a comment about Leo Burke a he was mentioned. In the Maritimes, I'd compare Leo to Jerry Lawler in Memphis when he was a babyface or Dusty in Florida. He was super over. I was stunned when I read Bret's book saying how he often worked with Leo and Leo would be the heel. I thought "No Way that Leo Burke would be a heel!"
uc95nu51 With all the cool podcasts out there to get deep into, it must be great being a truck driver. In the old days I’m sure it was just local radio and besides Howard Stern and Opie and Anthony, the pickings were slim.
When Bulldog went up against The Warlord he put on a much better match (As did Warlord) then anyone could have predicted with 2 Roidy McGoo's going at it.
They couldn't trust him. I loved Bulldog he couldn't keep his shit together. I thought he should have had another I.C. run. He never got over on Shawn..96 would have been the time.
2:32:00 Bulldog v Owen for the European Title is a wrestling masterpiece. A shame that the environment took away from the caliber of match. Put that match on a major PPV stage with good lighting, etc and we are talking about one of the best matches ever.
I couldn’t handle being a pro wrestler in the 80’s and 90’s. What a tough job. Major respect to Davie boy Smith and all the other tough guys who did the hard yards. Rest In Peace Bulldog.
Some days these guys barely made cash for gas and a pizza- some ducking angry fans trying to kill them and vandalize their cars. Much has changed since. Now guys like John Cena and Seth Rollins can ride comfy on planes , eat well and stay at nice hotels while surrounded by an entourage
fmthebaron HBK ran his fucking mouth and got his ass kicked. HBK is a known asshole and bully. He’s lucky, could of got his brain put to sleep with a lead injection
It's cuz Bruce is Vinny boy's puppet. He'll never say a bad thing on any of them, he might not always defend em -when there was no way to defend in any possible way- but he'll always be that corporate kiss-ass. If you wanna hear the balance or the McMahonless side of a story, listen to Jim Cornette...
One unique feature of the original European Championship belt was that it included a side plate on one end that had the belt maker's phone number on it. I discovered this due to the plate with the number being fully visible in a poster of Shawn Michaels from Pro Wrestling Illustrated. So of course I had to call it.
In fariness to Davey. Most wrestling fans didn't even know WCW existed until Nitro. It wasn't his fault he drew. They didn't push hard, weren't well advertised. In 2000 I scraped to a show I'd have gone to only by hearing about it.
I started watching about 88 or 89 when I was 3, since my birthday is November 26 I don't remember if it was the end of that year or early the next year. I always loved Bulldog, by going back and renting vhs that had been out. I loved the Bulldogs, his run to win the IC belt, his WCW run, my 2 personal favorites the different trios of Davey, Owen, and Yokozuna, then Vader replacing Yoko, and the Hart Foundation group or faction. The only 2 runs I personally didn't care for one way or the other was the Allied Powers tag team with Lex Luger, and the singles run when he came back from late 90s and early 2000s. His last run the only 2 things I remember were the Rock Bottom on dog crap, and when Rock was special referee in a match with Davey and Triple H on SmackDown. I remember Rock before dropping the People's Elbow sliding before hitting it since he was in street clothes.
I always wanted them to make a Wrestlefest 2 with the same premise as the first one but with these characters to select :Hulk Hogan -Ultimate Warrior -Macho Man Randy Savage -Mr Perfect -British Bulldog -Undertaker -Papa Shango -Bret Hart -Million Dollar Man. -LOD (playable) -Rockers
There were some UK Computer games by Ocean that used similar graphics to Wrestlefest, and had some of those characters (Bulldog, Warlord, others I'm forgetting), I heard they were pretty crappy though.
I live in the uk and had the ocean Wrestlemania game as a kid. It was pretty much those characters. Using a joystick to grapple was a nightmare. Waggling it as fast as you can for 30 seconds....my mum hated it as you could hear the clicky rumble of locking up through the ceiling!
Summerslam 92 remember being 8 years old with my brother and uncle seen teams score goals at Wembley still haven't heard a crowd cheer the way they did when he won And Bruce bravo your posh English accent pretty spot on
Owen & Davey didn't lose the belts to the Head Bangers; the match was for the vacant titles which were held up because of Austin's neck injury, and Owen & Davey had lost the titles to Austin & Michaels in May.
True Story: As a kid, I went to a house show. The last match was Lex & Bulldog vs Shawn & Diesel, Bulldog was on the apron and I think Lex was tossed into the ropes and accidentally elbowed Bulldog in the back and knocked him off the apron. Bulldog held his back, then walked out. I was shattered, Shawn & Diesel got the win. THE NEXT NIGHT ON RAW, Lex & Bulldog came out, I thought, great, they patched things up. it was the same damn match. I was such a mark. lol Great stuff. I love wrastlin'
Such a shame that the time difference made uk ppv not viable for the wwf, our crowds especially then loved the wwf so much and we would’ve filled those stadiums over and over, one of the best crowd reactions of all time, the lod pop so many got at summer slam at Wembley stadium will always be remembered as probably the best crowd ever!! 80.000 legit number, gorilla 100.000 plus 😂
I don't think it's Vince doesn't want to see a wheel chair up on the stage, I don't think he wants to see Tom Billington at all. I do agree with Conrad that once Billington is gone the Bulldogs will be inducted in as a team.
Well, he married into the Hart family, wrestled for Stu in Calgary, and was close to Bret and Anvil. I am half expecting a burial, but then again this isn't 83 Weeks. Either Bruce is telling us how it is a lot more often then Bischoff so far or, he is much better at sounding credible when he dodges or gives Conrad bs answers. I enjoy listening to Eric at times but I almost feel like I need to take a shower after. Especially after last weeks episode. I realize Bret and Eric don't see eye to eye and Bret has said a lot about Eric but most of that 2 hour 40 min show was full of lies, inconsistencies, backtracking, and passive aggressiveness. Just my opinion. Look at all the tragedies and bs Bret has been through. Multiple Brother's died young, his Nephew died at 12 of flesh eating disease, he had to deal with the Klik and Hogan's politics, his Brother in law Davey Boy passed young, a close friend of the Hart family named Brian Pillman died young, the whole Montreal situation went down where he was betrayed by people he trusted, his Brother Owen of course died a senseless death, a good friend of the Hart family murdered his wife and son then took his own life, he was severely concussed and had his career cut short by someone who arguably didn't belong in the same ring, he then had a stroke while riding his bike which was likely caused by the concussion, he was diagnosed with prostate cancer and fought it off, he lost his parents very close together, the family has been feuding with Owen's widow since 1999, he has been through 2 divorces, he lost another family friend in Roderick Toombs who was the only wrestler to visit him after his stroke, not to mention all the other friends and acquaintances he made through wrestling who died pre maturely, and his hall of fame career ended in a company full of backstage bs and office crap. I say let Bret be bitter. I don't agree with some of what he says but look at what the guy has been through and look at how his career ended. Sure, he could lighten up a little though I imagine it isn't easy for him. Give the poor guy a fuckin break.
Brett Bee eric hasnt gone through half the shit bret has. It makes me laugh when ppl wonder why hes bittter and raw with his opinions. I mean what do u excpect him to act like?! Erics biggest tragedy was having ted turners cheque book taken away from him. I respect paul e more than eric tbh.
I am glad someone does. I am sick and fucking tired of listening to people disrespect a living legend. Bret has earned the right to say whatever he wants about the business. Not only because of his great career but the fact that he has dealt with enough tragedy and utter crap for 2 or 3 normal lifetimes. I can just imagine how tough it was being the other top guy with Mr. Boy Toy during the mid 90's when he was pilled out of his mind and brown nosing the crap out of Vince too. I also love it how people diss Bret for taking the business seriously. Bruce included, yet on this podcast he was sticking up for Shawn beating Bulldog after he dedicated the match to his Sister who had cancer which wasn't mentioned. And Shawn wouldn't lay down for anyone back then and told Bret that to his face. Whenever it was his turn he would be hurt or lose his smile. So I guess Shawn took the business too seriously as well huh?
This is the best show on RUclips of any genre. It just wrecks me that I have to start late in the day and then I'm fooked trying to finish at god knows what time in the morning! The stone cold one is amazing as well but the Tony schavoni one doesn't do much for me though.
Conrad I was hoping you would bring up Meltzer's hilarious review of Bret vs Backlund at SS 94. Monsoon was killing the moves like saying "I've never seen anyone submit to an armbar." he would not live to see Ronda Rousey. Davey also knocked himself out cold on the stairs in that match. Backlund and Bret had an "I quit" match at Wrestlemania and Hart said it was his worst match.
I can highly recommend checking out some Jacques Rougeau shoots. He seems very open and honest regarding what happened. Not a hint of 'I knocked out Dynamite Kid' BS. Just his story.
Dynamite kid is my favorite wrestler of all time. Look at his NJPW title victory. The match before the final where he wins the title he faced Davey boy and it is in that match that the famous injury happened to his back. Later on it was aggravated in the tag match. He hit the ropes and two steps into coming off the ropes or not even he just collapsed
Jumped over Orton and as soon as he hits the ropes he goes down. Carrer over December 13th 1986. Even though he lasted years after was never the same. I know Dynamite was pissed later on saying the back injury was Davey's fault.
@@joshuamack342 hey. I wrote that comment 2 years ago. Sad to say the GOAT passed away. He remains and will always be my favorite of all time. Now, you're right, he was pissed at Davey. Maybe you know some of the reasons but in case someone else is reading our exchange and doesn't, let me just say, Dynamite tortured Davey something atrocious and horrible. He might try to say it was hazing. Whatever. Nevertheless Dynamite was the first official British Bulldog. He was the first of his clan to be trained and Davey followed him. Daveys wife Diana had the genius to trademark the Bulldog name, fair play to her. And well never know all the reasons for their family fracturing. But years later when Dynamite was working the insanely extremely dead UK indy circuit and there were flyers in pubs and around small towns with Dynamite pictured and the word "British Bulldog Dynamite Kid" well Davey, with his 6 figure contracts all the way out in Calgary heard about this and had people threaten all kind of things to the small indy promoters not to call Dynamite the British Bulldog. Some kind of barrister or some form of law even came to Dynamite personally to warn him about it. The guy was barely making 10 pounds broken down brawling Fit Finlay and Alex Wrights dad in front of crowds of 10 to 20 people like a human cockfight and Davey, who was not the original Bulldog, was bitter enough to go after him for it. Davey came to town once in the early 90s after doing that to Dynamite. Dynamite came looking for him and Davey refused to see him. But more than that, much more is this. Dynamite, aside from his kids, maybe loved only 1 person, his dad. His dad was his everything. His dad was brother to Daveys mom. They were close as siblings could be. Dynamite also said, and it's hard to believe, considering, that Dynamites dad never cussed a day in his life and yet as he lay dying in hospice, having not spoken to his sister for years because of their children's feud... and the sister not seeing him when he was sick, well with Dynamite by his father's bedside a call came from the sister it was the only time Dynamite ever saw his dad cuss in his entire life when he told the person holding the phone to tell his sister to basically go F herself. Incredible! It's good reasons to be angry I think but I don't think Dynamite is lying about the injury to have further twisted the knife. I am gonna find the link and post it here for anyone interested. It is the same exact bump that put HBK out for 3 or 4 years. HBK got hurt at the 98 Royal Rumble and stayed off the injury until WrestleMania and then dropped the belt to Austin and his career was over for 3 years or more. Dynamite finished that match, had another match the same night. More Japan matches, 20 hour flights and grueling territory days wrestling then an early to mid 80s booming WWF run, nothing but insane further punishment to a crippling injury so that when the back gave out something as simple as hitting the ropes did it.
Wow you seem to have alot of inside info. About the injury though clear if you look at the ring, meaning the one in Japan were the injury first happened you can see there is an over hang when Davey suplexed Dynamite out of the ring. Always wondered if they discussed that, cause seems like Dynamite would have gone over that with Davey. I heard Diana say they called Tom about trademarking the name and he just laughed at them. Pretty shitty to go after Tom when he was struggling like that, he couldn't hurt Davey or his Contract. You said his kids and dad but I always heard that Tom loved his MOM very much. Question ....Do you know if Mania 3 was his first match back after the injury? I've seen pics of him about three weeks before Mania at home and I was shocked at how thin he looked. He definitely put some muscle on his frame in those three week's. Davey besides the early days 80-88 looked good no where near Tom's body but when he came back he always looked bloated to me. He must of got addicted to the roids and the way he looked. Still amazes me how quickly his body just broke down. At the end of the day he was still the greatest wrestler in the world!!! Thanks for getting back to me. .....
I thought I was the only one that loved the 95 IYH Match with Bret more than the Wembley match. The Wembley match drew a huge crowd, but the IYH match was better worked. Less spots were botched, Davey looked better to (he had a gut and body fat in Wembley, and like Bruce said you had a heel and a face. I don't think it was just Davey's best match; it's my favorite Bret Hart match as well and Bret Hart had many many great ones.
I watched an old tag team match on RUclips recently from the mid-80s. It was the British bulldogs vs Big John Studd and King Kong Bundy. For some reason, it was so strange seeing Davey Boy tie-up with Big John Studd. It just seems like they're from different generations but initially, they're not.
I need a kurt angle episode.. Jusr hearing everyone praise his in ring talents... And how it came natural.. Wouldn't mind hearing an entire episode about his csreer
Vince must have liked Davey, he was always pushed as a semi main event guy. I know a lot of it has to do with his physique. Always seemed liked Davey was a little higher up than Owen. Also, I agree with Bruce that Davey looked much better with short hair than the braids. Wish he would have got one world title run. Bret had many. Problem was I think Davey was around during the wrong time. First, they had the steroid trial, so a guy like Davey couldn't get pushed. Not only that, but titles didn't change hands everyday like they do nowadays and Vince was all about guys like Diesel, Bret, and Shawn. After Shawn's win at Mania he was deemed the guy and Vince wasn't doing any changes. Not only that but I think Davey's substance abuse hurt him at times, and he wasn't there mentally always.
I was a major bulldog fan in the 90s and warrior fan and i can remember the first time I picked up a magazine and realised there was actually another major promotion in the US ,I bought the magazine cause I loved wwf but it must have been a wcw mag cause wen I opened it a saw sting I was like who’s he where’s warrior and remember being really disappointed id bought it ,I think the reason bulldog never drew in wcw in England is cause we never really knew about wcw ,wwf was on sky all the time I think it was only really the really late 90s that wcw even registered over here
Surprised they never mentioned that Billington and Smith were cousins (assuming Conrad actually knew) as it gives a lot more context to their fall-out.
As a 15year old then former wrestling fan and cynic, with no build up a nothing match, knowing they wouldn't put the belt on a non-North-American, multiple times I thought Davey was winning. Was so into it. Typical Bret.
According to Ray Rougeau, They went to see Vince right after the incident. hogan saw the blood on Jacque, and in typical coward Hogan fashion stood up said, “ Gotta go brother.”and jetted from Vince’s office. He didn’t mediate shit.
superlyger Jacques also said that Macho Man opened a door, saw him covered with the Dynamite Kid's blood, exclaimed, "Oooh Yeah!" and then closed the door.
Okay, I gotta comment on the One Nite Only PPV mentioned around the 2:50:00 mark. I'm not an insider, but I was a fan and I did a little bit of wrestling myself a year or so after this. Doesn't make me an expert and I've never met any of the participants, so hey, fuck my opinion along with all of Dave Meltzer's, eh Bruce? But it's mine and I'm gonna give it. I don't find an ounce of fucking logic in saying that the screw finish on Davey in Manchester was designed simply to get heat and progress a story. a) The One Nite Only PPV wasn't even seen in North America and so far as I know (I could be wrong on this - you might know) there were no recap clips shown on major WWF shows either. Practically the entire audience for this show were Brits, which means any heat Shawn generated on the night went entirely to waste. Even if Americans had seen it, they would likely not have given much of a shit about the European belt anyway, much less Davey Boy, who was a heel to them and as you said elsewhere in this episode, there wasn't a huge amount of business in the UK anyway and even less so in the rest of Europe at the time. Putting the European belt on D-Lo Brown was pretty much a sign of how valuable that was. b) It wasn't done for a fucking story. Not only did Shawn never drop that belt back to Davey in a high profile rematch, they didn't even get a sniff of a programme, although I realise a month or two later everything went to shit regarding the Hart Foundation anyway. With Shawn slated to be moving on to higher things the following year so he could eventually be fed to Austin at Wrestlemania (should have been Bret and Austin 2 for the world strap at WM 14 IMHO - the greatest main event that never happened), the European belt should have been so far off his radar that he would have fallen over it without seeing it before winning it. At the time this went down I wasn't smart to the business, but I guessed a lot which subsequently turned out to be correct and I'd known it was pre-determined since around the time I learned to walk. So far as I could tell then and so far as I can still tell now over two decades later, that fuck finish on Davey was instituted for two reasons: 1) Shawn, despite being gifted by nature with more wrestling talent than almost anyone else in history, was a dishonest, selfish, immature, drug-addled fucking wanker who enjoyed fucking any of the Hart contingent over any way he could because of his heat chiefly with Bret. 2) Shawn could do any damn thing he wanted to the business, including devaluing and wiping his feet on it, because he figuratively had his dick in Vince's mouth. Vince has fired a LOT of people for fucking up or being rebellious over the years. Shawn committed so many fireable offences in the course of 95-98 but got to stay until he took his sabbatical for back surgery. The only thing that wasn't handed to him on the plate he chose, was Mike Tyson draping the Austin 3:16 t-shirt on him at Wrestlemania 14. The events of October and November 1997 killed my interest in continuing to follow the World Wrestling Federation stone dead and they've been in the grave ever since. One Nite Only remains the last time I ever gave the company any of my money and the subsequent Survivor Series was the last time I watched one of its shows. I realise Shawn was a heel trying to get heat, but the way he acted that night makes me feel fucking sick to this day. And not in a way that makes me want to tune in to see him get beaten, but in a way that made me walk away from the WWF forever in disgust and contempt. Shawn Michaels for me can forever be summed up as the man with so little class that he threw a knee brace at a woman dying of cancer to get some cheap heat which barely made it outside the building it took place in anyway.
Damn it just hit me, unless I missed it we forgot to ask about the angle with the warlord were Bobby Heenan had a fake Queen Elizabeth badmouth the British bulldog
Can’t push 2 baby face at a time, huh? 🤨 Bret and Macho held the belts from Mania to Summerslam only a month before. Hogan and Warrior had the belts at the same time. Shawn and Yokozuna had the belts as heels for months at the same time. I guess it was a temporary policy 🤥
2:53:50 - The moment when you realize you have a bad team manager. You spend over 1hr talking about how the Bulldogs wife and family were upset with their direction in a story and then you say, "There is no feelings among the crew backstage." No wonder you killed your business.... you forgot the stupid stunts you pull may go over with the crowd but the wrestlers were tired of it. Case in point, current WWE beating Undertakers legacy to shit because the need crowd pops at Wrestlemania because the current gen wrestlers are so shit because they won't do anything that can potentially ruin their image/marketing.
Davey Boy losing in England 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻 Michaels didn’t need the heat or title, it was just a one off PPV for the U.K. HBK was already hot as hell, and didn’t need extra heat. They could have just put the belt on HBK in the States the next week. And fuck it, if Michaels didn’t want to job, they could’ve just done a big shmozz and have Bulldog and the Harts standing tall at the end of the show. I can’t back or agree with Pritchard on this one to be honest. Genuinely think the Bulldog lost all his motivation after that match too, which was a shame. Then the back injury just wrecked him for good, but I do remember he had a right little belter of a match with Eddie Guerrero on heat, I’m glad that happened.
This is not the first episode where I hear ref to Sid pinning Smithers after a chokeslam, when in fact there was a powerbomb. They haven't watched the match, have they?
On Bret, I find it funny that Bret took offense that HBK's WWF Title defenses would be against his friends, yet Bret suggests he drop a title to his family member. Oh the irony.
You showed far too much respect to big daddy. I Remember him well, his matches was pure pantomime, he couldn’t work well. It baffles me to this day how he got so famous.
Prichard is a conman, fraud and liar, as proven by Dave. And you're a mindless smark prick for not respecting everything Dave has done for and contributed to pro wrestling.
Dave is a meth head...ummm ..you know ...I think umm ..plans change ..umm so it's like ..yeah ..you know ..he waffles pure shit..actual Dave Meltzer quote ...he gets 8th hand info and passes it off as gospel ..how is he an expert on wrestling he's never trained to be a wrestler never had a match or run a show ..he rides the coat tails of the business and waffles shit
@@DarkLordofTheSith69 you're a clueless prick. Dave has been a pioneer and legendary journalist since before you were even born. You're the typical dumb fuck anti-Meltzer internet smark. Dave has been inducted into numerous wrestling hall-of-fames and has been lauded by the biggest names in the business.
My grandmother used to watch world of sport wrestling hell most my family did she always talked about haystacks and big daddy they were a national treasure, if you ask anyone who 45+ about wrestling they'll talk about big daddy and haystacks.
Always been a fan of the Bulldogs and the Rougeau's. If dynamite suckered Jacque from behind, he got what he deserved when Jacque jumped him. Blood for blood and I will always respect dynamite for shaking hands and deading the whole thing
Jouque Ray and Bad News all said the Rougeus got out of there that night. They went to Vinces office where Hulk was but he didn’t mediate, they hid while Vince went to get The bulldogs but they had already gone to the hospital.
I'm from Leeds. I took great pride in the Fink usually announcing Davey Boy from Leeds, untill I learned he was from Manchester.
Bulldog will always have a special place in my memories. Back in 97 I saw him and Owen team up. On the way to the ring I was screaming their names and they both winked at me and smiled. I'm 33 and still remember that moment as vivid as the birth of my kids. Much love from the UK.
John Tammaro Leeds Leeds Leeds.
Super, Super Leeds, Super Super Leeds, Super Super Leeds.....
He was actually from Wigan, but i'm Leeds too so we'll take him over Big Daddy all day.
John Tammaro cool story bro
he's a pie eater
Bulldog became my favorite guy after Royal Rumble 91 when he tossed all these people out and lasted until the end with Hogan. Then Warlord at Mania. It was great to be a Bulldog fan. In the mid 90's he played the top heel in a few championship matches just to lose to guys like Bret, Shawn, Diesel, and Undertaker, but when the Foundation came together around 96/97, they made him really strong again. He didn't really ever lose in that era. Actually, most of the Hart Foundation did not lose around then (save maybe for Anvil). Awesome time for a Bulldog/Bret/Owen fan! Davey was never the same after Shawn beat him for the millionth time at One Night Only. Nate is not the only one who noticed Michaels beat him every time! Fans know this stuff!
Saw bulldog main event house show in Birmingham (England) in Oct 1991 against earthquake. He came to the ring with Andre! 1 of the greatest nights of my life Davey is a national treasure! R.I.P Bulldog
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I met the lawyer who defended Davey Boy in the bar incident. He told me this story 2 years ago and I was just blown away listening to this just now.
Show starts at 7:40
cheers mate
thank you!
2:05:00 According to Cornette, he thought it was Bruce Prichard on the phone pretending to be Stu Hart and it was Bruce walking in the door that made him realise it was really Stu.
I met Davey at a house show in the early 90's. He was really nice, signed autographs and posed for pics with my family (unlike Virgil who wanted $20).
Yeah, I've heard that Virgil is a real piece of human excrement.
Virgil tryin to rack up that "fuck money"
Well he wouldn’t have made much from merchandise 👀
You paid Virgil
I gave Him 15 bucks for a nice signed photo and a pic..Wasnt too bad, Dont mi d paying a little for a pic photo and auto but when its at a show and U run into them, thats b.s! I Hung outside a WCW House Show In Rock Hill SC in July 1996 with Eddie Guerrero! He signed Autographs for My friends n I and chatted for a good hour! It was dark b4 he left. P.E, Haku also came by and signed..Awesome day!
You can't underestimate how big a star Big Daddy was in the UK. There was only 3 channels during his peak so the viewers must have been 20 to 25 million each week. He was also a crossover star and made regular appearances on kids tv.
its very fitting that the top comment here is about Big Daddy lol not Davey Boy
Way over estimating but he was their closest thing to a Hogan I get that
Bruce always protects Shawn, Shawn is Vince’s boy. Bruce won’t piss off Vince.
I saw Bulldog and Animal (from L.o.D.) standing outside the Tower of London in '92 both eating ice creams. One of them had a cut/injury on their leg (forget which). Was absolutely shocked to see them as a little kid - had no idea they were even in the UK at the time.
Jaems Harilie That might have been after Summerslam 92 where Animal told a story that he burnt his leg from the motorcycle he drove to the ring. Makes sense to me
So glad you guys did that research and put a mention in about big daddy and giant haystacks, they were what got us in the uk into wrestling and I really love that you guys finally done a show on bulldog and actually went right back to the start of his career! Fantastic!
DaChronical a little bit of everything!!
Saturdays on ITV haha good days
EASY! EASY! EASY!
Kendo Nagasaki and Johnny Saint on the undercards were epic too.
The British Bulldogs were so awesome. I would have loved to have seen them against the Road Warriors or the Midnight Express.
The cover of Conrad as a British Guard is Hilarious!
Mike K its a beefeater bruce is dressed as
Ben Nah mate, it's Queens Guard who wear the bearskins. Don't try to look clever if you don't know what you're talking about.
Didlos, the pair of you
I love the BBD... One of the most underrated under used wrestlers of all time..!
I also loved this show back then, when this show was GREAT.
They had Bulldog go out and promise to beat Shawn at One Night Only and dedicate it to his sister Tracy who was dying of Cancer at the time. That was why Bret was so pissed at how that event finished.
Yeah, Bruce is so full of shit on this one. A story? They didn't do anything with Davey Boy after that!
I loved the British bulldogs as a kid they were my favorite tag team I was devastated when Jimmy Hart and the Hart foundation stole the tag titles on superstars or challenge on Saturday morning
I love this show, but I found myself disagreeing with Bruce on this one to the point of annoyance. Conrad dropped the ball a few times by skipping over bs comments instead of calling him out on them.
for what it's worth a year later I'm watching this again and yeah I totally agree with you sir.
@RyuHayabusa751 That's certainly how I remember it.
Even during the match they were occasionally showing Diana Smith and commenting on where her allegiances lay.
the word "rib" gives the impression of a practical joke but for the bulldogs included stuff like drugging someones drink and then urinating in their face when they were incapacitated but still conscious
Just want to add a comment about Leo Burke a he was mentioned. In the Maritimes, I'd compare Leo to Jerry Lawler in Memphis when he was a babyface or Dusty in Florida. He was super over. I was stunned when I read Bret's book saying how he often worked with Leo and Leo would be the heel. I thought "No Way that Leo Burke would be a heel!"
Gonna listen this while driving my semi truck.
uc95nu51 With all the cool podcasts out there to get deep into, it must be great being a truck driver. In the old days I’m sure it was just local radio and besides Howard Stern and Opie and Anthony, the pickings were slim.
dandjedi There are alot of openings in the field of truck driving if you need a job.
Careful baby
Bruce in stus voice saying pervert gets me going
King Kong Bundy went from main eventing WM2 to wrestling with midgets at WM3. That was worse than Luger
Swoll826 😂
Agreed. Much bigger drop than Luger.
You can't be on top forever. Bundy was an attraction and he was put in an attraction match.
I wonder if it was in the agreement with creative if Bundy could squash a midget like he did!
I think going into the wm main event as a face is much higher than an obvious one shot monster heel run with Hogan.
Dynamite kid is a LEGEND
You can tell which ideas are Bruce's, because of the fervor with which he defends them. The Diana storyline always seemed superfluous to me.
Yeah it was weird. Especially at that time.
Really wish he would have kept the train on the tracks. He deserved a top title reign. In either organization
When Bulldog went up against The Warlord he put on a much better match (As did Warlord) then anyone could have predicted with 2 Roidy McGoo's going at it.
They couldn't trust him. I loved Bulldog he couldn't keep his shit together. I thought he should have had another I.C. run. He never got over on Shawn..96 would have been the time.
He really wasn't all that great on the muc..
If you make a list of Bulldog's ten best matches two of them were with Bret Hart (Summerslam 1992 and In your house 5). Those two were magic together.
2:32:00 Bulldog v Owen for the European Title is a wrestling masterpiece. A shame that the environment took away from the caliber of match. Put that match on a major PPV stage with good lighting, etc and we are talking about one of the best matches ever.
I couldn’t handle being a pro wrestler in the 80’s and 90’s. What a tough job. Major respect to Davie boy Smith and all the other tough guys who did the hard yards. Rest In Peace Bulldog.
It was brutal and wrestlers had little respect and made little money.
Because everyone after this decade are pussies
@@hitek9too255 they made very good money for the time
the yards were hard because of people like davey boy and dynamite
Some days these guys barely made cash for gas and a pizza- some ducking angry fans trying to kill them and vandalize their cars. Much has changed since. Now guys like John Cena and Seth Rollins can ride comfy on planes , eat well and stay at nice hotels while surrounded by an entourage
Man I love something to ad with I just hate when they take breaks and talk about wrestling
Just picturing a couple of guys walking into a bar and seeing Legion of Doom doing their finisher on Vince McMahon.
That would've been a 'once in a lifetime' moment
British Bulldog is one of the most under utilized wrestling performers of all time!
About to listen to the show, hope they careful because little bulldog is out in these streets.
Nice of Bulldog to help out HBK from all those Marines. Impressive that Bulldog was taking on 3 of those cowards at once.
fmthebaron HBK ran his fucking mouth and got his ass kicked. HBK is a known asshole and bully. He’s lucky, could of got his brain put to sleep with a lead injection
Over 100 episode and not one criticism of Vince or HHH.
paul k big shocker, but the state of the current product speaks for itself
It's cuz Bruce is Vinny boy's puppet. He'll never say a bad thing on any of them, he might not always defend em -when there was no way to defend in any possible way- but he'll always be that corporate kiss-ass. If you wanna hear the balance or the McMahonless side of a story, listen to Jim Cornette...
2:29:06 The funniest Stu Hart impression ever.
One unique feature of the original European Championship belt was that it included a side plate on one end that had the belt maker's phone number on it. I discovered this due to the plate with the number being fully visible in a poster of Shawn Michaels from Pro Wrestling Illustrated. So of course I had to call it.
In fariness to Davey. Most wrestling fans didn't even know WCW existed until Nitro. It wasn't his fault he drew. They didn't push hard, weren't well advertised. In 2000 I scraped to a show I'd have gone to only by hearing about it.
The rib Davey played on Lex arranging for a cop to pull Lex and Davey over and Davey gets Lex arrested was one of the greatest ribs in WWE history.
I started watching about 88 or 89 when I was 3, since my birthday is November 26 I don't remember if it was the end of that year or early the next year. I always loved Bulldog, by going back and renting vhs that had been out. I loved the Bulldogs, his run to win the IC belt, his WCW run, my 2 personal favorites the different trios of Davey, Owen, and Yokozuna, then Vader replacing Yoko, and the Hart Foundation group or faction. The only 2 runs I personally didn't care for one way or the other was the Allied Powers tag team with Lex Luger, and the singles run when he came back from late 90s and early 2000s. His last run the only 2 things I remember were the Rock Bottom on dog crap, and when Rock was special referee in a match with Davey and Triple H on SmackDown. I remember Rock before dropping the People's Elbow sliding before hitting it since he was in street clothes.
I am extremely interested in learning a lot more about Davey Boy Smith A.K.A The British Bulldog
You NEEEEEEED to do a podcast on Backlash 2000!!! THE PINNACLE OF THE WWF!!!!
I always wanted them to make a Wrestlefest 2 with the same premise as the first one but with these characters to select
:Hulk Hogan
-Ultimate Warrior
-Macho Man Randy Savage
-Mr Perfect
-British Bulldog
-Undertaker
-Papa Shango
-Bret Hart
-Million Dollar Man.
-LOD (playable)
-Rockers
Sounds like a LJN wrestling game for Genesis or Super NES.
There were some UK Computer games by Ocean that used similar graphics to Wrestlefest, and had some of those characters (Bulldog, Warlord, others I'm forgetting), I heard they were pretty crappy though.
Leon Black They actually did make an updated version for mobile phones. Same game just current stars
I live in the uk and had the ocean Wrestlemania game as a kid. It was pretty much those characters. Using a joystick to grapple was a nightmare. Waggling it as fast as you can for 30 seconds....my mum hated it as you could hear the clicky rumble of locking up through the ceiling!
I wish they'd do a version of that for every year - WWF and WCW
I need this in my life now thanks guys, its brilliant. Prichard HOF 2019
David Bevans Bruce has to go in next year
David Bevans he needs to go and so does Jim Johnston.
The call to stu hart about diana had me in tears omg 😂😂
Summerslam 92 remember being 8 years old with my brother and uncle seen teams score goals at Wembley still haven't heard a crowd cheer the way they did when he won
And Bruce bravo your posh English accent pretty spot on
Bruces definition of beefin made me laugh so hard!!
Bulldog 4 hof 2019
Official Something To Wrestle with Bruce Prichard Virgil for HOF..will you do an episode on Virgil?
Brian James hahahaha so true
He should have been there at least a decade ago
Bulldog doesn't deserve to be in the HOF.
Thomas Zerbst why
One of the best reviews yet. Seems like a great family and solid pizza
Owen & Davey didn't lose the belts to the Head Bangers; the match was for the vacant titles which were held up because of Austin's neck injury, and Owen & Davey had lost the titles to Austin & Michaels in May.
True Story: As a kid, I went to a house show. The last match was Lex & Bulldog vs Shawn & Diesel, Bulldog was on the apron and I think Lex was tossed into the ropes and accidentally elbowed Bulldog in the back and knocked him off the apron. Bulldog held his back, then walked out. I was shattered, Shawn & Diesel got the win. THE NEXT NIGHT ON RAW, Lex & Bulldog came out, I thought, great, they patched things up. it was the same damn match. I was such a mark. lol Great stuff. I love wrastlin'
I saw that match too in Cleveland at a house show. Luger went to WCW shortly after that.
Bruce's Bulldog impression is hilarious
Such a shame that the time difference made uk ppv not viable for the wwf, our crowds especially then loved the wwf so much and we would’ve filled those stadiums over and over, one of the best crowd reactions of all time, the lod pop so many got at summer slam at Wembley stadium will always be remembered as probably the best crowd ever!!
80.000 legit number, gorilla 100.000 plus 😂
I don't think it's Vince doesn't want to see a wheel chair up on the stage, I don't think he wants to see Tom Billington at all. I do agree with Conrad that once Billington is gone the Bulldogs will be inducted in as a team.
Bruce Prichard talking with British accent sounded like Stewie from Family Guy: "is Big Daddy going to appear? Hm?"
Wtf? That 1995 Survivor Series wildcard match is one of the best Survivor Series matches ever IMO.
I know Bruce wasn't there, but Davey was there in WCW when the Shockmaster tripped live on TBS.
D Cavalli “He fell on his fookin’ arse!”
Well, he married into the Hart family, wrestled for Stu in Calgary, and was close to Bret and Anvil. I am half expecting a burial, but then again this isn't 83 Weeks. Either Bruce is telling us how it is a lot more often then Bischoff so far or, he is much better at sounding credible when he dodges or gives Conrad bs answers. I enjoy listening to Eric at times but I almost feel like I need to take a shower after. Especially after last weeks episode. I realize Bret and Eric don't see eye to eye and Bret has said a lot about Eric but most of that 2 hour 40 min show was full of lies, inconsistencies, backtracking, and passive aggressiveness. Just my opinion. Look at all the tragedies and bs Bret has been through. Multiple Brother's died young, his Nephew died at 12 of flesh eating disease, he had to deal with the Klik and Hogan's politics, his Brother in law Davey Boy passed young, a close friend of the Hart family named Brian Pillman died young, the whole Montreal situation went down where he was betrayed by people he trusted, his Brother Owen of course died a senseless death, a good friend of the Hart family murdered his wife and son then took his own life, he was severely concussed and had his career cut short by someone who arguably didn't belong in the same ring, he then had a stroke while riding his bike which was likely caused by the concussion, he was diagnosed with prostate cancer and fought it off, he lost his parents very close together, the family has been feuding with Owen's widow since 1999, he has been through 2 divorces, he lost another family friend in Roderick Toombs who was the only wrestler to visit him after his stroke, not to mention all the other friends and acquaintances he made through wrestling who died pre maturely, and his hall of fame career ended in a company full of backstage bs and office crap. I say let Bret be bitter. I don't agree with some of what he says but look at what the guy has been through and look at how his career ended. Sure, he could lighten up a little though I imagine it isn't easy for him. Give the poor guy a fuckin break.
Brett Bee eric hasnt gone through half the shit bret has. It makes me laugh when ppl wonder why hes bittter and raw with his opinions. I mean what do u excpect him to act like?! Erics biggest tragedy was having ted turners cheque book taken away from him. I respect paul e more than eric tbh.
Brett Bee I agree with all of this.
I am glad someone does. I am sick and fucking tired of listening to people disrespect a living legend. Bret has earned the right to say whatever he wants about the business. Not only because of his great career but the fact that he has dealt with enough tragedy and utter crap for 2 or 3 normal lifetimes. I can just imagine how tough it was being the other top guy with Mr. Boy Toy during the mid 90's when he was pilled out of his mind and brown nosing the crap out of Vince too. I also love it how people diss Bret for taking the business seriously. Bruce included, yet on this podcast he was sticking up for Shawn beating Bulldog after he dedicated the match to his Sister who had cancer which wasn't mentioned. And Shawn wouldn't lay down for anyone back then and told Bret that to his face. Whenever it was his turn he would be hurt or lose his smile. So I guess Shawn took the business too seriously as well huh?
bingbangboozygetinthejacuzzi Bischoff still has Hogan shit stains on his false teeth.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug!!!
This is the best show on RUclips of any genre. It just wrecks me that I have to start late in the day and then I'm fooked trying to finish at god knows what time in the morning! The stone cold one is amazing as well but the Tony schavoni one doesn't do much for me though.
Conrad I was hoping you would bring up Meltzer's hilarious review of Bret vs Backlund at SS 94. Monsoon was killing the moves like saying "I've never seen anyone submit to an armbar." he would not live to see Ronda Rousey.
Davey also knocked himself out cold on the stairs in that match.
Backlund and Bret had an "I quit" match at Wrestlemania and Hart said it was his worst match.
I can highly recommend checking out some Jacques Rougeau shoots.
He seems very open and honest regarding what happened.
Not a hint of 'I knocked out Dynamite Kid' BS. Just his story.
In Summer Slam 96 Sid did hit the choke slam but won with the Power Bomb I enjoyed the match for what it was.
Just imagine Davey Boy being wwe world champion that be freaking awesome
Dynamite kid is my favorite wrestler of all time. Look at his NJPW title victory. The match before the final where he wins the title he faced Davey boy and it is in that match that the famous injury happened to his back. Later on it was aggravated in the tag match. He hit the ropes and two steps into coming off the ropes or not even he just collapsed
Jumped over Orton and as soon as he hits the ropes he goes down. Carrer over December 13th 1986. Even though he lasted years after was never the same. I know Dynamite was pissed later on saying the back injury was Davey's fault.
@@joshuamack342 hey. I wrote that comment 2 years ago. Sad to say the GOAT passed away. He remains and will always be my favorite of all time. Now, you're right, he was pissed at Davey. Maybe you know some of the reasons but in case someone else is reading our exchange and doesn't, let me just say,
Dynamite tortured Davey something atrocious and horrible. He might try to say it was hazing. Whatever. Nevertheless Dynamite was the first official British Bulldog. He was the first of his clan to be trained and Davey followed him. Daveys wife Diana had the genius to trademark the Bulldog name, fair play to her. And well never know all the reasons for their family fracturing. But years later when Dynamite was working the insanely extremely dead UK indy circuit and there were flyers in pubs and around small towns with Dynamite pictured and the word "British Bulldog Dynamite Kid" well Davey, with his 6 figure contracts all the way out in Calgary heard about this and had people threaten all kind of things to the small indy promoters not to call Dynamite the British Bulldog. Some kind of barrister or some form of law even came to Dynamite personally to warn him about it. The guy was barely making 10 pounds broken down brawling Fit Finlay and Alex Wrights dad in front of crowds of 10 to 20 people like a human cockfight and Davey, who was not the original Bulldog, was bitter enough to go after him for it. Davey came to town once in the early 90s after doing that to Dynamite. Dynamite came looking for him and Davey refused to see him.
But more than that, much more is this. Dynamite, aside from his kids, maybe loved only 1 person, his dad. His dad was his everything. His dad was brother to Daveys mom. They were close as siblings could be. Dynamite also said, and it's hard to believe, considering, that Dynamites dad never cussed a day in his life and yet as he lay dying in hospice, having not spoken to his sister for years because of their children's feud... and the sister not seeing him when he was sick, well with Dynamite by his father's bedside a call came from the sister it was the only time Dynamite ever saw his dad cuss in his entire life when he told the person holding the phone to tell his sister to basically go F herself. Incredible!
It's good reasons to be angry I think but I don't think Dynamite is lying about the injury to have further twisted the knife. I am gonna find the link and post it here for anyone interested. It is the same exact bump that put HBK out for 3 or 4 years. HBK got hurt at the 98 Royal Rumble and stayed off the injury until WrestleMania and then dropped the belt to Austin and his career was over for 3 years or more. Dynamite finished that match, had another match the same night. More Japan matches, 20 hour flights and grueling territory days wrestling then an early to mid 80s booming WWF run, nothing but insane further punishment to a crippling injury so that when the back gave out something as simple as hitting the ropes did it.
Wow you seem to have alot of inside info. About the injury though clear if you look at the ring, meaning the one in Japan were the injury first happened you can see there is an over hang when Davey suplexed Dynamite out of the ring. Always wondered if they discussed that, cause seems like Dynamite would have gone over that with Davey. I heard Diana say they called Tom about trademarking the name and he just laughed at them. Pretty shitty to go after Tom when he was struggling like that, he couldn't hurt Davey or his Contract. You said his kids and dad but I always heard that Tom loved his MOM very much. Question ....Do you know if Mania 3 was his first match back after the injury? I've seen pics of him about three weeks before Mania at home and I was shocked at how thin he looked. He definitely put some muscle on his frame in those three week's. Davey besides the early days 80-88 looked good no where near Tom's body but when he came back he always looked bloated to me. He must of got addicted to the roids and the way he looked. Still amazes me how quickly his body just broke down. At the end of the day he was still the greatest wrestler in the world!!! Thanks for getting back to me. .....
I thought I was the only one that loved the 95 IYH Match with Bret more than the Wembley match. The Wembley match drew a huge crowd, but the IYH match was better worked. Less spots were botched, Davey looked better to (he had a gut and body fat in Wembley, and like Bruce said you had a heel and a face. I don't think it was just Davey's best match; it's my favorite Bret Hart match as well and Bret Hart had many many great ones.
He was so in bad shape, no cardio to last long and high risk of missed spots, but Bret saved the match and Davey popularity!
I watched an old tag team match on RUclips recently from the mid-80s. It was the British bulldogs vs Big John Studd and King Kong Bundy. For some reason, it was so strange seeing Davey Boy tie-up with Big John Studd. It just seems like they're from different generations but initially, they're not.
Can we get a Ken Shamrock episode? Or, would WWE nix that?
I need a kurt angle episode.. Jusr hearing everyone praise his in ring talents... And how it came natural.. Wouldn't mind hearing an entire episode about his csreer
I wasn’t even there! It was fookin Owen
3:29:40
54:07 one of the funniest stories I've ever heard
Vince must have liked Davey, he was always pushed as a semi main event guy. I know a lot of it has to do with his physique. Always seemed liked Davey was a little higher up than Owen. Also, I agree with Bruce that Davey looked much better with short hair than the braids. Wish he would have got one world title run. Bret had many. Problem was I think Davey was around during the wrong time. First, they had the steroid trial, so a guy like Davey couldn't get pushed. Not only that, but titles didn't change hands everyday like they do nowadays and Vince was all about guys like Diesel, Bret, and Shawn. After Shawn's win at Mania he was deemed the guy and Vince wasn't doing any changes. Not only that but I think Davey's substance abuse hurt him at times, and he wasn't there mentally always.
" Davey's substance abuse hurt him" What an understatement. RIP Bulldog!
Bruce's Bulldog impression is underrated
Redskins Banks
It’s shite.
Leo Burke is from Moncton NB, right around where Kurgan is from about 20 minutes away. Please remember that
I was a major bulldog fan in the 90s and warrior fan and i can remember the first time I picked up a magazine and realised there was actually another major promotion in the US ,I bought the magazine cause I loved wwf but it must have been a wcw mag cause wen I opened it a saw sting I was like who’s he where’s warrior and remember being really disappointed id bought it ,I think the reason bulldog never drew in wcw in England is cause we never really knew about wcw ,wwf was on sky all the time I think it was only really the really late 90s that wcw even registered over here
Surprised they never mentioned that Billington and Smith were cousins (assuming Conrad actually knew) as it gives a lot more context to their fall-out.
Thank you Conrad and Bruce!
Bret/bulldog from iyh95 is A classic
As a 15year old then former wrestling fan and cynic, with no build up a nothing match, knowing they wouldn't put the belt on a non-North-American, multiple times I thought Davey was winning. Was so into it. Typical Bret.
You should put for your patreon the obvious deleted scene:
Conrad: Do you actually eat blue apron?
Bruce: Do I look like I'm tired of living?
According to Ray Rougeau, They went to see Vince right after the incident. hogan saw the blood on Jacque, and in typical coward Hogan fashion stood up said, “ Gotta go brother.”and jetted from Vince’s office. He didn’t mediate shit.
superlyger Jacques also said that Macho Man opened a door, saw him covered with the Dynamite Kid's blood, exclaimed, "Oooh Yeah!" and then closed the door.
Okay, I gotta comment on the One Nite Only PPV mentioned around the 2:50:00 mark. I'm not an insider, but I was a fan and I did a little bit of wrestling myself a year or so after this. Doesn't make me an expert and I've never met any of the participants, so hey, fuck my opinion along with all of Dave Meltzer's, eh Bruce? But it's mine and I'm gonna give it. I don't find an ounce of fucking logic in saying that the screw finish on Davey in Manchester was designed simply to get heat and progress a story.
a) The One Nite Only PPV wasn't even seen in North America and so far as I know (I could be wrong on this - you might know) there were no recap clips shown on major WWF shows either. Practically the entire audience for this show were Brits, which means any heat Shawn generated on the night went entirely to waste. Even if Americans had seen it, they would likely not have given much of a shit about the European belt anyway, much less Davey Boy, who was a heel to them and as you said elsewhere in this episode, there wasn't a huge amount of business in the UK anyway and even less so in the rest of Europe at the time. Putting the European belt on D-Lo Brown was pretty much a sign of how valuable that was.
b) It wasn't done for a fucking story. Not only did Shawn never drop that belt back to Davey in a high profile rematch, they didn't even get a sniff of a programme, although I realise a month or two later everything went to shit regarding the Hart Foundation anyway. With Shawn slated to be moving on to higher things the following year so he could eventually be fed to Austin at Wrestlemania (should have been Bret and Austin 2 for the world strap at WM 14 IMHO - the greatest main event that never happened), the European belt should have been so far off his radar that he would have fallen over it without seeing it before
winning it. At the time this went down I wasn't smart to the business, but I guessed a lot which subsequently turned out to be correct and I'd known it was pre-determined since around the time I learned to walk. So far as I could tell then and so far as I can still tell now over two decades later, that fuck finish on Davey was instituted for two reasons:
1) Shawn, despite being gifted by nature with more wrestling talent than almost anyone else in history, was a dishonest, selfish, immature, drug-addled fucking wanker who enjoyed fucking any of the Hart contingent over any way he could because of his heat chiefly with Bret.
2) Shawn could do any damn thing he wanted to the business, including devaluing and wiping his feet on it, because he figuratively had his dick in Vince's mouth. Vince has fired a LOT of people for fucking up or being rebellious over the years. Shawn committed so many fireable offences in the course of 95-98 but got to stay until he took his sabbatical for back surgery. The only thing that wasn't handed to him on the plate he chose, was Mike Tyson draping the Austin 3:16 t-shirt on him at Wrestlemania 14.
The events of October and November 1997 killed my interest in continuing to follow the World Wrestling Federation stone dead and they've been in the grave ever since. One Nite Only remains the last time I ever gave the company any of my money and the subsequent Survivor Series was the last time I watched one of its shows. I realise Shawn was a heel trying to get heat, but
the way he acted that night makes me feel fucking sick to this day. And not in a way that makes me want to tune in to see him get beaten, but in a way that made me walk away from the WWF forever in disgust and contempt. Shawn Michaels for me can forever be summed up as the man with so little class that he threw a knee brace at a woman dying of cancer to get some cheap heat which barely made it outside the building it took place in anyway.
Damn it just hit me, unless I missed it we forgot to ask about the angle with the warlord were Bobby Heenan had a fake Queen Elizabeth badmouth the British bulldog
Loved the matches with Davey & Warlord
Love the impressions Bruce throws in now and then haha his Jim Cornette is hilarious haha
Can’t push 2 baby face at a time, huh? 🤨
Bret and Macho held the belts from Mania to Summerslam only a month before.
Hogan and Warrior had the belts at the same time.
Shawn and Yokozuna had the belts as heels for months at the same time.
I guess it was a temporary policy 🤥
By far the greatest royal rumble participant....
2:53:50 - The moment when you realize you have a bad team manager. You spend over 1hr talking about how the Bulldogs wife and family were upset with their direction in a story and then you say, "There is no feelings among the crew backstage." No wonder you killed your business.... you forgot the stupid stunts you pull may go over with the crowd but the wrestlers were tired of it. Case in point, current WWE beating Undertakers legacy to shit because the need crowd pops at Wrestlemania because the current gen wrestlers are so shit because they won't do anything that can potentially ruin their image/marketing.
I was at in your house 4. The whole place booed diesel and cheered davey boy.
Davey Boy losing in England 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
Michaels didn’t need the heat or title, it was just a one off PPV for the U.K. HBK was already hot as hell, and didn’t need extra heat.
They could have just put the belt on HBK in the States the next week.
And fuck it, if Michaels didn’t want to job, they could’ve just done a big shmozz and have Bulldog and the Harts standing tall at the end of the show.
I can’t back or agree with Pritchard on this one to be honest.
Genuinely think the Bulldog lost all his motivation after that match too, which was a shame. Then the back injury just wrecked him for good, but I do remember he had a right little belter of a match with Eddie Guerrero on heat, I’m glad that happened.
This is not the first episode where I hear ref to Sid pinning Smithers after a chokeslam, when in fact there was a powerbomb. They haven't watched the match, have they?
On Bret, I find it funny that Bret took offense that HBK's WWF Title defenses would be against his friends, yet Bret suggests he drop a title to his family member. Oh the irony.
You showed far too much respect to big daddy. I Remember him well, his matches was pure pantomime, he couldn’t work well. It baffles me to this day how he got so famous.
L Rodd Different era, different time. Bruno's matches suck by today's standards too
I have a hunch that Bruce has never seen him.
Davey Boy: 'Bret, I don't fuckin remember anything...drop down what?, fuck' lmaooooooo
I find Bruce's disdain for Dave Meltzer satisfying,
Prichard is a conman, fraud and liar, as proven by Dave. And you're a mindless smark prick for not respecting everything Dave has done for and contributed to pro wrestling.
@@MattSingh1 great bait mate
Dave is a meth head...ummm ..you know ...I think umm ..plans change ..umm so it's like ..yeah ..you know ..he waffles pure shit..actual Dave Meltzer quote ...he gets 8th hand info and passes it off as gospel ..how is he an expert on wrestling he's never trained to be a wrestler never had a match or run a show ..he rides the coat tails of the business and waffles shit
@@DarkLordofTheSith69 you're a clueless prick. Dave has been a pioneer and legendary journalist since before you were even born. You're the typical dumb fuck anti-Meltzer internet smark. Dave has been inducted into numerous wrestling hall-of-fames and has been lauded by the biggest names in the business.
@@crichter8682 It's a pure matter of fact mate. The anti-Meltzer internet smarks are total wankers.
I love their relationship. Like brothers
My grandmother used to watch world of sport wrestling hell most my family did she always talked about haystacks and big daddy they were a national treasure, if you ask anyone who 45+ about wrestling they'll talk about big daddy and haystacks.
Always been a fan of the Bulldogs and the Rougeau's. If dynamite suckered Jacque from behind, he got what he deserved when Jacque jumped him. Blood for blood and I will always respect dynamite for shaking hands and deading the whole thing
great episode! thanks again!
Davey Boy should've had at least one WWF Championship run, he should definitely be in the hall of fame
SSJR Black i thought the same but think it was his mic skills that held him back
Ben Thats why they should have did it when cornette was with him
Chad Justice yea it would of worked better Davy really stumbled over his words but he was from Wigan tho ha
SUMMERSLAM92..Davey Vs Brett hitman Hart..Davey fooked and an all time classic.Brett is class👍🇬🇧🏵️
What was the theme they were playing in the background before tatanka???? Sounds so familiar
Any chance you guys will come to Nashville?
It wasn't me, i wasn't even there
Jouque Ray and Bad News all said the Rougeus got out of there that night. They went to Vinces office where Hulk was but he didn’t mediate, they hid while Vince went to get The bulldogs but they had already gone to the hospital.