We Test The Latest Version Of Tesla FSD 12.5! Hands-Free With Inclement Weather
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2024
- Jordan and Andreas set out in the new Tesla Model 3 (Dual Motor Long Range) to see how FSD fares with handsfree operation and other improvements. We're met with occasional rain, questionable turns, and a parking lot blunder!
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I just took a long trip with FSD 12.5.1 and now using 12.5.1.1. I love FSD but my problems with it are mostly on the highway. 1) We've been traveling this week and three times the navigation said to take an exit but FSD did not exit. 2) One time I was getting onto a secondary highway,. The navigation said turn right but FSD tried to turn left. 3) The worst thing is when you have an exit lane added that is not very tapered but just appears full width (urban). FSD takes a very sharp right turn and I have to take over because it is going too fast to recover from the sharp turn. 3) The other more minor issues related to speed limits. When I pass from a lower speed zone to a higher speed zone, the car does not accelerate. 4) It IS doing better at slowing down when the speed changes. 5) It sometimes doesn't see the speed change sign, too. Thanks for listening.
I haven’t had issues with speed limit signs, but I’m on EAP, not FSD (though it should work the same? Different stacks?).
I have other issues though on the freeways.
1. Phantom braking in the clear and fast moving carpool lane, because the car thinks the adjacent traffic is slowing (well, duh, carpool lanes are usually faster?)
2. Racing a merging car in the on-ramp while driving in the right lane of the freeway, until you have to step on the brakes to avoid a crash. Behaves as if it never even saw the merging car.
3. Braking late, and then, way too strongly for slowing or stopped traffic on the freeway in your lane.
4. Phantom braking for unknown reasons still persists.
I subscribed to FSD a couple of months back and the thing could barely get out of my new neighborhood in Arizona! Nice sunny day and the thing just phantom braked the whole way into town on a road that is 55MPH with perfectly marked road lines. Its not ready.
* it wasnt ready for robotaxi at the time you tried it in the version you had.
I just did three range tests in my 2023 MYP out in the Arizona desert. I had lots and lots of vision nags on all three trips, and I finally realized that when I was heading due east in the afternoon that my transition lenses were very slightly changing. That resulted in sunglasses detected and failure of vision monitoring, but it only happened when I was facing east. I've now added a sunshade (partially to help range as climate was taking 40% of my battery at 115F), and the nag problems are gone.
I am on HW3 and FSD 12.4.3 which is hands free.
HW4 (now AI4) started delivering the day after I took delivery of my HW3 MY.
Man, that must be super frustrating. I missed HW4 by about 4 months with my Y and will likely trade mine in for the refreshed Y coming next year. Hopefully that one has AI5 (~18 months is the current ETA from Elon).
@@Brendon471 I would like to do that as well. I will most likely wait for AI5 and, hopefully, an FSD transfer offer.
Still, it is by far the best car I’ve ever owned!
The 100D model s came out for the same price as my 90D on delivery day. It happens.
Whenever the car does things like make a wrong turn you guys should report it to Tesla when it happens so it can be corrected.
I have reported a highway entry gone wrong(likes to go after the median in the last few seconds - I keep an eye on both the road and visualization,definitely make you have the thrill of a theme park ride-obviously I take over if I sense it in milliseconds😅), with no effect for last six months😂. Feel, there is too much backlog of data, with no easy way to utilize for training. May be they feel, physical simulation is good enough🙄. Also recently it tried to rearend a car, since the other car was slowing down, luckily I disengaged in time(averted by few inches, may be the ultrasonic sensors are disabled, since they were not present in many cars as a cost cutting measure🤞). Not sure, if the color black has issue in mid noon daylight?. Hope the Robotaxi is different🤞, or the shorts will have a 🎆
My suspicion is the "report" feature in Teslas is just to make the "reporter" feel like they've done something helpful. I don't believe many of the reports are actually reviewed or acted upon on Tesla's end.
I only had the 30-day trial when v12 came out, I didn’t see a Report button. Def would have been busy for 5 minutes after every drive. Nothing life threatening, thankfully, but basic road markings were ignored, etc.
The map data is bad, so it's not really the cars fault, but of course it should recognize that the route is invalid, and it does most of the time.
Reporting it does absolutely nothing
I used the FSD a little when it was offered as a month free trial. It was...interesting. I'm a pretty slow driver.....I had a hard time getting used to how fast it would accelerate...even in the chill mode. Overall I found it more nerve-wracking than relaxing....
Takes time to trust it. Especially if you are a slow driver. Most people still complain that it's too timid.
But once you got used to it, it's amazing.
According to Tesla fanboys, this is entirely your fault, of course. *They* always get used to the-drunk-teenager-driving FSD, the single screen ergonomic non sense, the low quality interior that’s gaslighted as ‘simplistic design ‘ and so much more. I started loathing the fanboys circa 2018. I say this as an owner of Two Teslas. My next car will be an EV, but definitely not a Tesla.
Yeah, it accelerates too fast, and even tailgates. Especially when not first in line when accelerating from a stoplight. It will accelerate too fast and catch up to the car in front. Then it will slow down, and fall back. Then accelerate up to tailgating again, then slow down again.
that version was trash compared to 12.5.1
@@Xetairexcope
06:30 sorry but this is such a no go. How can the so praised v 12.5 can not detect such a good visible sign? The forbidden leftturn wasn’t difficult to detect.
Really just a navigation map issue. Obviously it should recognize signs too in case it signs change but ideally you don’t have the car rerouting at all. Could get stuck in a loop
You are correct, it should have recognized it but that's why the driver is there to take control. It's not like it ruined their entire trip, and they went home and cried themselves to sleep. I don't think it's ever going to be perfect 100% of the time. If someone thinks they can develop FSD that is 100% accurate, no mistakes whatsoever, then let that person or company put their money where their mouth is, and step forward and show Tesla how it's done.
20:10 is also bad; getting into a right turn only lane, then proceeding straight. I've seen recent videos of FSD doing that.
@@bearcubdaycare That has been my experience too. It often chooses the incorrect lane. You would think that with all the map data available that it would know. Google maps will tell you which lane to get in. Why can FSD just get that info from them.
Elon is talking robotaxis, but FSD is committing ~1 crime per mile
I had two very close calls on unmarked narrow country lanes. With a car approaching and almost coming past, my model Y tried to veer directly into the oncoming car. I couldn't believe it until it happened again on the same road going the opposite direction. Good that I was "supervising" and able to force the car out of fsd. The odd thing about it was that this exact situation happened frequently with 5.1 but never had it try to veer into the path of an oncoming car. I reported the reason I took control and then when I had more fully regained my composure, I reported it as a "bug report". It will take a lot before I release fsd on that road again. 5.1.1 seemed disappointing and I was a virtual evangelist for 5.1
I use my transition glasses every day with 12.5.1.1. My transition lenses don’t change behind the windshield unless it’s super bright and they turn light grey, and they still work.
"Let's see how it goes"... three minutes later fearing for your life... LOL :) Great test, guys!
Using FSD, to me, is very similar to riding in passenger seat of my Asian family members. They make jerky turns sometimes, drive slow randomly, can have trouble merging but will get it done, does things you probably wouldn’t but is acceptable. And at the end of the day, you’re pretty safe cause you can take over if needed.
I do a lot of night driving. FSD sometimes has issues with lane changes. It seams it doesn't quite know what type of road it is on. So it won't initiate a pass without one triggering the turn signal.
Just had a family vacation road trip from Nebraska to Des Moines, Minneapolis, Hayward, WI, Duluth, MN, and back home. FSD was really great on the trip. I would usually take over in town and when traffic got aggressive. But, the reduced effort on long drives in a game changer!!! There is a weird stretch of road in Southwestern Minnesota that it was annoying on though. It's highway that is built like interstate (4 lane, divided grass median) and 65mph. It wouldn't see the 65mph signs, although it saw every other 50, 45, 35 etc when going through towns. So, it would constantly reduce speed from my desired 75mph down to 68ish. I'm not suyif it was adjusting for road surfaces or if the bright sun in our face was effecting cameras or what. No warnings or notifications. 🤷🏻♂️
Probably highway 52 or 14. I travel hwy 52 for work but I don't use AP, it's more annoying to me than it's worth IMO. So I don't know how those roads affect my car. I wish I could even get rid of TACC and just have dumb cruise like I've been using the last 20 years. Or at least give me that option until TACC/AP/FSD is near perfect.
The one thing that is annoying (at least in MN) is so many towns have "end 30 MPH" signs as you leave. My car still thinks the speed limit is 30 until it sees another limit sign or I turn on a different road. It's so dumb, why waste time putting up a sign that says "end 30". So is the speed limit 50? 55? 60? 100?!!... lol.
I know the law is unposted rural roads are 55, city roads 30, but so many rural roads are 60 now.
And there's a couple roads around me that think the limit is 65 when they are posted 35 and 55. It's like tesla ignores those signs, so strange.
@@andrewt9204 It is as hwy 60, from Mankato to Souix City. If I ever have that problem again, I'll pop it into Auto steer instead.
Great video, guys!!!
I Have noticed low light images on the HWD4 cameras are much poorer than HWD3 (a lot more noise), which is normally the case when Pixel count goes up and pixel size goes down on the sensor (smaller sensing elements mean poorer dynamic range). Andreas night time drive was likely affected by this.
Great FSD vid! Please do a Hogsback challenge with the Cybertruck and FSD🎉🎉
I tried FSD during the free week and oh boy it drove terribly. Hard breaking and acceleration, like the worst uber ride you could think of
Which version?
@@bartdeking The one publicly available during the free month
Your coffee would have gone flying when you were hit side on after that illegal left turn in the first minute or so.
I was wondering why it made an illegal left turn. I thought it was supposed to read road signs and clearly there was a No Left Turn sign that the car ignored.
It doesn’t “read” signs. There’s no code that runs like OCR software. This version is purely runs by looking at examples of how human drivers drive, then learning how to drive based on its meteors of how humans drive. It eventually sees enough examples of what happens for example, when a human comes upon a stop sign. It learns that when it sees that type of road sign, that it means it needs to come to a stop and wait its turn. There probably isn’t enough examples of this situation being handled correctly in the training set, thus it made that turn. Future versions will continue getting better exponentially
If it is purely a vision based software then it should see the road signs and react accordingly.
So then it cannot read speed limit signs so it will more often than not speed like we saw in the video. That's obsurd.
@@jakekarll8294This is incorrect. It has understood the speed limit signs for the last 7 years., even before deletion of radar nonsense. Now, it’s a purely visual system, and inferencing based. That means it can and should recognize road signs, otherwise it’s an incompetent system to begin with. Not everything can be just training based, that is ABSURD on the face of it. If they make a new lane, the car won’t take it because it hasn’t been trained there? What crap is that!
Allowing the vehicle to make an illegal maneuver and not correcting it is a mistake. Just like on the hogback, driver intervention, deduct points.
Needs to be improved by orders of magnitude. Concerning!
I'm not seeing it, what happened that's so bad or dangerous? I keep forwarding to the section people list in comments and I see nothing. I'm not listening to sound but the car behaves fine?
The problem with this is I do rush hour traffic commuting and all I ever see of FSD reviews is empty country roads…
Here's a stormy drive with some late afternoon traffic ruclips.net/video/jCT8NVfyOQA/видео.htmlsi=MOUzfRl_47E_Avv5 shortly after installing FSD v12.5 in my 2024 MYP, last month.
Metro driving in heavy traffic is far harder than the typical FSD YT video drive out in an empty suburb or rural area. And even harder is metro highway driving at rush hour, doing high-speed lane changes in heavy traffic and navigating correctly at high speeds in traffic; that's the hardest and most dangerous of all driving. FSD won't be Level 5 until it's great at all city driving.
@@TuneupMagic Thanks, but wouldn't call that traffic. My commute is NJ ;) . I have a 2023 YLR, will maybe try a month of it again one of these days and will be sure to get out my GoPro
@@ThomasSlaney Good points! Hopefully yours is a HW4 2023 MYLR, since Tesla is now optimizing FSD for their HW4 Model Y. My 2024 MYP has the included FSD software package, that's a free transfer from my 2023 M3P (my very first Tesla) bought used directly from Tesla when they were giving them away last November.
I seriously doubt if their current vision-only FSD approach would ever be able to completely replace a reasonably good human driver in negotiating bumper-to-bumper high-speed rush-hour traffic... Especially in certain demanding situation, as illustrated in this example ruclips.net/video/D_45EO5BauU/видео.htmlsi=sGtdXNGhYtcQ9BZ5 when we (MYP and me) were at speed of 36mph (no typo) all in entering, during and exiting a sharp left turn, followed by an immediate curve to the right, when urgently clearing an intersection safely under an unexpected yellow.
In terms of FSD operation in major-city traffic conditions (on a sunny day) I find this vid ruclips.net/video/nly1JLXqihQ/видео.html to be quite sufficient in identifying many of its behaviors with earlier v12 in HW3 car.
@@ThomasSlaney Good points! Hopefully yours is a HW4 2023 MYLR, since Tesla is now optimizing FSD for their HW4 Model Y. My 2024 MYP has the included FSD software package, that's a free transfer from my
2023 M3P (my very first Tesla) bought used directly from Tesla when they were giving them away last November.
I seriously doubt if their current vision-only FSD approach would ever be able to completely replace a reasonably good human driver in negotiating bumper-to-bumper high-speed rush-hour traffic... Especially in certain demanding situation, as illustrated in this example ruclips.net/video/D_45EO5BauU/видео.htmlsi=bo1hd68JOimVu03m when we (MYP and me) were at
speed of 36mph (no typo) all in entering, during and exiting a sharp left turn, followed by an immediate curve to the right, when urgently clearing an intersection safely under an unexpected yellow.
In terms of FSD operation in major-city traffic conditions (on a sunny day) | find this vid ruclips.net/video/nly1JLXqihQ/видео.htmlsi=jxbclK7D25G6AOiZ to be quite sufficient in identifying many of its behaviors with earlier v12 in HW3 car.
well, it doesn"t actualy read signs yet, that we know already... like "don't turn left". 🙂
😢 Still paying the loan on my M3 from about 4yrs ago. Tesla doesn't update older cars. Only two FSD updates this year. V12.3.6
Andreas is definitely European.😊 Lovley Celsius not freaking Fahrenheits on his screen. I live in the US now, but I'm also from Europe and use Celsius wherever it is possible.
Like on mine 😂
Tried out FSD a few months back when Tesla gave out a free month trial. Very impressive of what they are able to do but also terrifying. Going through a round-a-bout in particular was a scary experience.... ignoring lanes (two lane each direction), stopping mid round about, even through the left blinker on one time. You guys should see how FSD handles round-a-bout's.. Wonder if this new version is any improved.
Much improved. And v11 already handled roundabouts well like 95% of the time. It's just not consistent, some areas are much worse, likely due to less data. Works best in California.
@@andrasbiro3007I am in California and used this system for the past 6+ years. No, it isn’t any better here. Still brakes too strong too late. Still slows unnecessarily in the fast lane because ‘non car pool lane is moving slower’ (what crap is that? Carpool always moves much faster! That’s why it is there!).
Round-abouts? Heh, I don’t want to get into accidents or get into road rage with pissed off motorists because the FSD basically cannot handle round-abouts. Period.
@@Xetairex It cannot handle roundabouts...yet. The software is still in testing.
@@hankkingsley9183 “Forever beta.” Forever praised by fanbois. No matter how bad it actually is. No matter how many years of broken promises we have to hear from Elon. Truth and facts rarely matter.
@@Xetairex
1. FSD didn't even exist 6 years ago, so I don't know what you are using.
2. Your claims directly contradict countless videos I've seen, and the reports of many many users.
For a claimed 4-5x increase in parameters it doesn't seem significantly better than 12.3.6 and seems to do just as dumb stuff as before. Law of diminishing returns at work here I think.
The difference between 'impressive' and 'reliable' is fundamental and ludicrously large. Bugs me people can't tell the difference and that Tesla blatantly ignore the difference (company value largely based on it).
These people do not actually understand technology. They are shallow, and think anything “A.I driven”, or “Neural network driven”, blah blah, is automatically ‘gold’. I have been in software and hardware development all my life, and know how hard it is to get something like FSD to be completely robust reliable, no questions asked. It is actually an IMPOSSIBLE task. Real world situations are way too many, way too different, way too challenging given how many variables re changing all the time.
We humans learn to drive by learning for a long time and of course, using our intelligence to make common sense decisions when there are too many challenging conditions present. I doubt this FOOL self driving will ever get to be ‘hands free, no questions asked, ever’.
@@Xetairex Agree with these views. There are just huge amount of Tesla fans who thinks that miracles just happen ...
And that if you have a lot of data it automatically turns to greatest solution.
I think the same that while FSD is quite incredible piece of software, it is nowhere near real FSD. Last 1% takes 100x more time than first 99%.
Makes me wonder why the car didn't get into the driving lane, or the "slow lane" until the car needed to turn left. Still a cool video!
Probably the same reason human drivers get into the turning lane just before they need to turn. Most US drivers are extreme. Extremely early or extremely late.
On the Highway in Average mode is will move into the right lane. On Assertive mode it will not because it is being "assertive".. at least with my model Y. Try changing to the "dark" mode screen - I think it looks much better. The attention monitoring is too sensitive. Looking at cross traffic, rear view mirrors and reading screen messages causes alerts. They need to relax that.
Not a complaint of your commentary, but we need to contrast between wrong directions (route planner) and execution (driving to a poorly placed pin). I would expect robotaxi level route plan will be different, clearly it has to be.
You made it from point A to point B then C with no major problems (l.e. A crash) but there were a few hiccups along the way…..
Like the illegal left turn it made. I’m surprised you didn’t take control to avoid it.
But it still makes me nervous letting a car drive itself…..
I have a HW3 model 3 on 12.4, hands free
I still feel like vision only is a mistake. I feel like FSD would have a good chance if it had LiDAR.
lol your feelings don't matter
Lidar works well at lower speeds but when you have a lot of fast moving objects the signal to noise ratio becomes scattered and unreliable
@@shankhadeepshome3982 Yes they do not matter but he is probably right still...
That was awesome. Anyone complaining is just being nitty picky or an Elon hater. Tesla is on its way, just like spaceX was on its way building reusable rocket or landing starship. It's coming guys, and the cinycs are once more gonna get wrekt!
Impressive even I don like people using it and I’d not pay for it. Regular lane keeping is all I want, but it’s impressive and probably my wife would use it.
Interested to see when FSD will be available here in Europe, great video
My fav is when all the high end FSD users say "this version is the best! Game Changer" and other people can't drive the 7 miles to work without having a disengagement. It's not for me, tried it, didn't care for it
Some have different tolerance levels too. I like it on highways but don’t use it on side streets.
@@shou635 that's kind of my thing too, on the highways I don't see the difference between that and autopilot, the only difference I can think of is it will automatically Lane change
Is this still a single stack for surface streets. They need to release a new freeware stack. It's about 8 months 7 old and very dangerous.
Until they go back to radar and/or start using LiDAR, any tesla autopilot is a hard no for me
😂
But you can't make the wipers work properly 😂
HW3 owners have been repeatedly told, without qualification, that their cars would do FSD. If it can't, can you say 'class action' boys and girls? It looks like you are driving here in Colorado? If so, you should try it in situations where there are right turn decel / accel lanes, both making the turn and dealing with others acceleration out of it. The right turn from Hwy 42 to 95th street in Lafayette is a good example. Also, while traveling on 287 in the right lane past side roads where there is traffic doing right turns and accelerating to merge. The roads you are driving are pretty straightforward.
Elon said it's coming to HW3 any moment. It's now so close to robotaxi level that I can't imagine it not happening. May take longer, but AI models can be compressed without significant loss of quality, it just takes more training.
If I wanted my robotaxi to handle round abouts, never scare pedestrians, never make illegal left turns, I’d hop in a Waymo. THIS is ‘basically robotaxi level’ to you? 😂🤡
BTW Elon also said FSD is coming next year for the past 8 years. And a million other things which were all basically lies. 😂
@@andrasbiro3007 He also said a car was going to autonomously drive coast to coast in 2017, a million robotaxis on the road by the end 0f 2020, etc.. It will be so if and when you see it be so. My 2024 Model 3 doesn't perform anything like a RoboTaxi on 12.15.1.1.
@@Xetairex
1. Waymo is extremely limited, and unlikely to ever be profitable.
2. And it's far from being perfect. They have accidents all the time.
3. Everyone promised self-driving around 2014. Most of them gave up quietly. Tesla succeeded.
4. You don't know the meaning of words. Being wrong is not lying.
5. What million other things?
6. Why are you ignoring the very long list of his achievements?
@@nobrien1
Predictions are hard, especially about the future.
He was right in many thing. Much more than the average person. He's just the only person on the planet who's predictions are religiously tracked. And only the ones that missed, not the good ones.
For example he said in 2014 that in 2020 Tesla will make 500K cars, and that became true. And there are countless other examples like this.
If you use FSD then you have to see the progress, and that how very close it is to robotaxi.
For that doing a left turn at a right turn only at 6:50, I would be mad and take over already. Nah I am still not gonna pay $99 for now
Why? Seemed perfectly normal to me?
I'm disappointed because there's no release for my 2020 M3 at this time. I'm currently on 12.3.6.😢
What is the point of FSD if it cannot drive better than how I can drive the car myself? I have FSD and turned it off a year ago because in its current state it is dangerous (I am glad I only paid $2000 for it back in April 2019). I cannot believe that Tesla releases FSD for use in the general public in its current state.
The fact that you sit there and actually have to do _nothing_ is mindblowing, this is amazing, they are def on the right track! :O :D
Hopefully soon you can navigate to the store and tell it to "park when we arrive" and it will.
Not sure what happened with that no left Stop sign, but I bet many people do the same when they get there lol, probably trained on that data.
Looks like there's a lot of wrong data on their map then, since it always exits his neighborhood on the wrong side. I believe it's based on Google Maps right? I know it can be hard to get things fixed in there.
The car's cameras should still have spotted that sign though. Seems it doesn't overrule the map data, which is pretty bad. Same goes for ignoring speed limits.
Whenever something goes wrong, it was because ‘many people did the same prolly, lol’ BS from Tesla fanboys. Seen this so many times now, it is not funny. Load of crap!
The real test is to park or go into the drive through line....
@@larsvaneynde4281 Cameras should spot sign... I've had it ignore all types of signs. Especially Iowa's oversize highway speed limit signs. They need to teach it to read, and how that information modifies what is legal to do.
23:37 I also do feel this yes
Thanks, makes me feel better! 😁 Good to know! I wonder why that is …
The service road on the highway nearest me has 4-way intersection with 3-way stops with the right-of-way to the traffic coming off the highway. My Model Y stopped at the intersection coming off the highway when it had the right-of-way several times. In other words it behaved like an inexperienced human would with these intersections. However lately it's been coming off the highway and taking the right-of-way without stopping, like it's learned this situation.
or….. it got better, as it does, with updates
@@BadL_ Yes, indeed. Like a human would learn this situation. I've seen humans do the exact same thing on these service road intersections who obviously don't live in the area and don't understand at first.
FSD is still not ready for autonomous driving. I have 1 decreasing radius turn that I've tested 12.3.6 through 12.5.1.1 on , and each version of FSD failed miserably. If I didn't intervene the ride wouldn't have ended well. Actually, today's test on the same turn was a real joy; FSD gave up and disengaged without warning. FSD still accelerates at inappropriate speeds, even if it sees that there's a red light at the next intersection,. Potholes are going to be long-lived issues as FSD still can discern pavement that is in bad shape. 12.5.1.1 on HW4 is a lot smoother than prior versions and nags even with light-sensitive glasses worked well., but I wonder if polarized sunglasses are an issue. I will be surprised if FSD will be commercially available next year,
I'd really love to see this level of FSD coming to Europe... because we have none, and even our AP is so crippled compared to the US
Still waiting for my update. What is taking so long?
The only problem with FSD is road hazards like ladders and other thing that fall off of trucks. I have to take over to avoid hitting those things.
I've seen it avoiding debris, and there's no reason why it couldn't. Potholes too. I guess it's not priority right now.
That’s the only problem? 😅
What would be awesome is if the car identified a Super Charger in the parking lot and drove itself to the open charge and parked.
Some genuinely scary behaviors. People need to PAY ATTENTION at all times.
Hey Kyle. You should do a video on Teslas and motion sickness. My neighbor just sold their Model Y because they were getting car sick from the aggressive regen. Including vomiting in the car.
Also, it still feels a bit fast in sharp curves for at least my comfort. It needs to modulate the speed in curves.
That's subjective. Eventually you'll be able to configure it to your preferences, but for now they are just focusing on making it work.
Starting things off strong with an illegal left turn. Nice. I turned off FSD before my trial was even over.
Wipers still dungeon-tier
Why FSD always using the left Lane,even right is empty no traffic???
I haven't updated to the new UI, and I don't look forward to it. This looks worse.
Brb its tea time
Hardware 3 does have hands free. We don’t have 12.5 yet. 12.4 was hands free.
Driving on such a road without cars and pedestrians cannot test the true capabilities of FSD. Please go to the city center for testing. Thank you.
Cheers guys
COSTCO rocks, so does this version.
Really unacceptable... Just give me nice highway assistance.
You have to report it when it makes mistakes by disengaging. The only way it gets better, is reporting when it does something wrong.
I was dead tired after work, I had to drive to a location I was familiar with. I let FSD take me there. I talked on the phone and supervised. It was a very smooth drive.
It tried to blast through a blinking yellow as soon as it switched from.red to blinks yellow.
How is it so bad after all the promises and hype?
With 3 decades of experience in hardware and software design, I predicted this would happen, way back in 2018. The problem is that real world conditions are always changing, and present a near-infinite set of conditions depending on road conditions, weather, other drivers, obstacles, bad road markings, signs, and more. You might get a system to be about 95% reliable, but never close to 100%. Right now, this FSD is more like 75% there (with reliability in the 75% of the cases)
@@Xetairex There will always be an X.X.X version that was just released in which "game-changing" improvements have been made. It's a perpetual hype machine, staying slightly ahead of all evidence of failure.
@@conflictionated387 Yes, the reason for all the hype is that Elon can only get his pay package signed in 2018, if the valuation tops $660B or $600B (don’t know the exact number). That high valuation will only be supported by a tech company. Thus, only the promise of FSD working, and Robotaxis working can justify Tesla being perceived as a tech company. However, this goal is still far away. How long will the fans, friendly analysts and the spineless Tesla board continue to hope for this to happen? Only time will tell. My guess is, if FSD and Robotaxis do not materialize by the end of the year, Tesla stock could see a big sell off.
If Tesla "Full Self Driving" (FSD) learns by observing what human drivers do, it would pick up all the bad driving as much as the good driving. Presumably Tesla has a way of letting the computer understand which driving examples it should follow and which it should not. Making a left turn at a "right turn only" sign (06:30 in video) is illegal and dangerous. I thought FSD was learning to understand street signs, and a "no left turn" sign seems quite simple to understand. This is a troubling error by FSD after it has been in development for so many years.
Back lets go
FSD getting good!
IMO camping out in the fastlane all the time MUST be fixed. Very poor lane dicipline is what the average driver does. FSD must model its behavior after the best human driving.
One of the regular testers said that it feels like artificially limited, it doesn't change lanes unless it has no choice. v12.4 had an issue with changing lanes way too much, so could be overcompensation.
21:06 Careful: Elon might sue you if you don't advertise FSD
Thank You Everybody for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth....
Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste
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I can’t watch a video where the drivers allow the car to unsafe things. The illegal left was enough for me to stop the video. It’s just not smart guys. Allowing the car to sit in the middle of the road. Not safe. Be better
You can't watch? You need an intake of testosterone my man
The german fella tries to loose his ascent. I like that
typical Tesla-Tard BS. . Low speeds, empty roads.
And yet it made so many mistakes. 😁
Why didn't you tske over when it made the illegal left turn and force the csr to recalculate its route? Seems dangerous putting others at risk doing that maneuver.
I have FSD i Europe and feel really sad looking at this incredible footage, i really hope we can have it too soon.
Wow! Starts by a scaring pedestrian by accelerating. Had poor route planning & turns left from a right turn only lane? Shameful this is released publicly!
Seriously ... I saw these 2 imbeciles giggling as their car accelerated toward a person and wondered how they aren't charged with a crime.
I just got a 2024 model Y just about 1 1/2 weeks ago. It came with FSD 12.3.6. How long do you think until they update me to the current version?
Not much. Days probably.
@@andrasbiro3007 Thanks 😊 👍😁
@@danielbecker9449actually if you are on the three digit "factory" software then it might take a while...
Why does the car stays left the whole time on the double lane street in the beginning of the drive?
Nice !
Does FSD drive slower on wet roads?
we still need pothole avoidance!!!
Watching this while driving my 2016 model s with highway autopilot engaged... "allegedly"
Musk is a terrible person.
I'd never buy Tesla while he's there.
I wont fund his hate.
Trump 2024
@@dougd1617Trump for 20 years in prison 2024. 😀 Old criminal with brain glitches will lose to Harris for sure.
Saying things like, “no one was in danger” when the car makes any mistake is a dangerous thing to say. Every time this car drives past another vehicle in FSD mode, you’re risking the lives of others. Nice illegal left turn by the way, I’m sure I would have appreciated that happening in front of me if I was coming from the left. Nothing makes a drive more stressful than having to babysit a system that could kill anyone at any moment. This crap needs to be removed from public roads.
They were in control the whole time and they chose not to intervene, therefore it is the human's fault.
If cars with FSD need to be removed from public roads that means that vast swathes of the driving public need to have their licenses revoked, because the vast swathes of the driving public also do things like make illegal left turns when it suits them.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh a brand new Tesla with that new car Musky Stench! Lovely amoral choice
How is it in the city?😊
This tech has a LONG way to go. Elon will have to rethink this whole robotaxi thing.
Seriously? coast-to-coast hands free driving was promised AND delivered back in 2017 itself 😁. FSD is ‘basically a solved problem’ according to our messiah, Elon😁. Robotaxis will be everywhere in August, or October, or before the end of the year. (Elon won’t tell you haters WHICH year, that’s not his problem, ok?)😁😁😁
You haters always gonna hate. Elon knows the way. BTW, how much money do YOU make? Elon is the richest ape on the planet! So, know your place, don’t badmouth Elon. In Elon, we trust. And anything that sounds high tech. Like A.I. machine learning. Deep neural net learning. DOJO. Humans dressed as robots dancing. We muskovites believe in all that, because we are superior. Cooler. More intelligent! 😅
only a moron thinks this tech has a long way to go.
Am wondering what happened to team Max . Is he deleted?
The only valid test should be by NHTSA or DMV. No number of RUclips tests will change that it remains L2.
Thats not how it works.
@@wizzyno1566 I got my drivers license by passing a test in the DMV. For a supposedly ‘better than most humans’ system, if it can’t pass a DMV test at the minimum, it should never be legal. NHTSA has many tests for ensuring the safety of a vehicle, and those tests are used as advertising material among car makers, Tesla included. It makes sense to have a standard test for ADAS as well. Perhaps you don’t know how the system works, or should work.
Dan O'Dowd is caking his pants.
Since there's an improvement in FSD. Does that mean there is an overall improvement in just autopilot?
I guess not this year
no, standard autopilot hasn't changed really in years
FSD will replace Autopilot. If you have FSD, you already get it on highways too, just not the latest version yet, but that's coming soon too.
Once it's reliable enough, I don't see why shouldn't everyone get it. Maybe even unsupervised (level 3), because why not.
Kyle, I like your channel and network. I think you are the only unbiased channel dedicated to the EV ownership experience. That being said, please don't promote this garbage, it is reckless and irresponsible. There were multiple instances in this video where people could have been injured or worse. You KNOW this isn't FSD so please don't promote it to your audience. It hurts the credibility of your entire network if you are willing to look the other way regarding this software. Respectfully, down voted.
There was no danger at all. The driver can take over at any moment, as they did twice. And the car monitors where the driver is looking and alerts if he's looking away for more than a few seconds.
According to statistical data this arrangement was safer than humans a few main versions ago already.
@@andrasbiro3007Never any danger at all? Yeah, illegal left turn from a right turn on,y lane is very safe, people do it every day! 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Driver can take over any time? Don’t call it Full Self Driving, then. ( though Fool Self Driving is apt) It is a poorly executed, level 2 ADAS system people like you like to believe is truly ‘level 3, robotaxi level’. 🤣 no matter what the reality is, you will continue your BS here, ‘Tesla can do no wrong, blah blah blah blah blah’.
finally a decent non FSD fluffer review..FSD on highway is DSD (dangerous self driving)..additional to uselessness of no return to lane change, useless ramp behaviour..are the true dangers briefly mentioned cameras..when they can't see FSD dies immediately which is very dangerous..i've suffered that death multiple times in blizzards, heavy fog, heavy fog and a couple of weeks ago 4 times in 20 minutes in light fog (i could see the see, see all traffice)..pure garbage and yesterday it suffered death as it was about to crash into the back of transport truck..self-parking in a Costco is clown show stuff..if they can't fix highway DSD give out a shiny toy..unless "single stack" fixes camera unseeing issue it will remain useless garbage.
I like the "eh whatever" attitude. The car is definitely fast and attentive enough to do an illegal left turn - no harm done really.
Until someone gets into an accident, but, hey ‘collateral damage’ eh? 🤡
12.5 was better than 12.5.1