Bryan Johnson Beyond Biohacking: AI, Religion, and God
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Bryan Johnson (@BryanJohnson ) joins Antonio Garcia Martinez and Erik Torenberg on Moment of Zen to discuss the deeper spiritual beliefs behind the "Don't Die" movement in the face of AI and the inadequacy of human clock speed. They cover religions as death cults, long-termism vs engineering your own longevity, and Bryan's recent interview on Tucker Carlson.
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LINKS:
Bryan Johnson on Tucker Carlson: • DEBATE: Bryan Johnson’...
Bryan Johnson's Blueprint/ Don't Die: protocol.bryanjohnson.com/DON...
Book recommendation: The Postmortal by Drew Magary / the-postmortal
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Opening Banter
(00:19) Bryan's Tucker Carlson Interview
(01:19) Long-Termism
(02:24) The 25th Century Perspective
(07:56) Navigating the Future with AI and the Network State
(09:40) Sponsor: Netsuite | Squad
(12:11) The 'Don't Die' Philosophy and Its Implications
(15:47) The Blade Runner Fallacy
(18:39) Using Algorithms to Optimize Your Personal Life
(22:39) Redefining Civilization in the Age of AI
(25:50) On Mortality and Future Civilization
(32:22) Exploring Existential Crises and the Role of Faith
(33:45) The Identity Crisis in Modern Society
(36:08) Technology and Tradition: A Surprising Harmony
(38:04) Future of AI and Its Impact on Society
(38:56) Navigating the Unpredictable Future
(45:32) The Philosophical Debate on Existence and Survival
(1:02:14) Reimagining Human Experience in a Post-Death World
(1:04:28) Wrap
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TIMESTAMPS
Bryan is so calm and thinks his responses so clearly. He's very respectful too.
Prior to the conversation with Bryan the guy at the beginning was making some good points and I had high hopes for this convo. Once Bryan came on, though, the multiple rambling questions in the beginning were very cumbersome. It’s like he couldn’t gather his thoughts together to actually ask something interesting. Props to Bryan for being patient.
AGM is an insufferable douche
Thank you for moving past the usual topics with Bryan Johnson. We need more high level conversations like this with futurists like him.
I watch every Bryan podcast… this one was very different and fun 👍🏻
That Bryan guy should just say "imma max out the health stat just to see what happens", and I get the feeling this Antonio guy would still seethe cause someone is doing something different and it works for them.
Totally agree…how can Antonio not see Bryan’s gamer mindset?
Antonio comparing Normandy landing with his visit to Gaza
Such a smooth defense of the DONT DIE concept from Bryan starting around 48:00. Love it!
Antonio Garcia Martinez ego... geezz
That's true for everyone who views themselves as a thought leader in Silicon Valley including Bryan, Romero, Balaji, and virtually every guest of the podcast.
@@sarlis525 I didn’t see that from the guest.
God this SF bubble is wild
Awesome guest! Bryan killing it lol
Loved the conversation and the back and forth. Great to have something outside my algo bubble to chew on.
26:05 - It's obviously a yes for me, too. What you could find out in those 10 minutes will almost certainly give you information on how to gain that year back along with decades if not centuries more.
Also, you'd know what to invest in, etc.
50:00 AGM you are playing don't die by simply breathing.
Still waiting for Bryan to talk....
You can't model the future, but I'm going to go ahead and model the future
Exactly. He first says "we need a new game for the rapid tech changes" then when he doesn't have an answer to counterarguments he resorts to "no one can say what the future will bring." Putting the two together he says we need a new game but don't know what it is. So it's just as possible that the new game is the old game since he doesn't know. He's either weak at constructing and argument or a poor communicator.
48:25 Today, space travel is safer than driving, and we do that every day.
Just imagine how much safer it's going to get with A.I. and a few decades time.
Tell us you don't understand space travel without telling us you don't understand space travel.
Again, guys, read Alexander Bard. This case the perfect book is "Syntheism: creating god in the internet era".
36:28 100 percent true.
I enjoyed this episode. I'm a fan of Bryan's and it was enlightening to see him go deep on his thesis statements when pushed by Antonio. Antonio was the perfect challenger
"We in the Eugenics movement are not interested in competing against Adolph Hitler or Karl Marx for some minuscule little 1,000 year Reich. We are interested in competing with Jesus Christ and Buddha for the destiny of man." From _Favored Races Manifesto_
nice hair cut ;)
The guy in the middle asked good questions and invite a good debate, but just feels not smart
We will never be able to learn from others in this space because Bryan Johnson owns the Rejuvenation Olympics and because of randoms like Dave Pascoe, Johnson has shutdown the Rejuvenation Olympics so that no one else can push him down the list. The leaderboard still appears to be working, it is just not updating. Johnson is selling Blueprint.
Normally don’t comment, but maybe Bryan will see this. You’re right. Sorry the interviewers don’t seem to understand your point.
We need to stop identifying with our biology, and identify with the values/ethics which preserved that biology up to this point.
Freedom, love, responsibility, loyalty, etc. are what makes humans; not a certain biological expression. Our anatomy has changed drastically in the last 300,000 years of humanity, and will continue to do so.
It is those ethics which won the game of natural selection which must be preserved into the unknowable future, not some specific body model or mode of being.
Out knowledge has always been too fuzzy to be Real, it’s just becoming more apparent in the face of superintelligences which will expose our conceptual models for the children’s toys that they are.
道可以说,但不是通常所说的道
You should check out Charles Hoskinson’s thoughts on decentralized AI ecosystems and alignment.
Think this guy will have his own city state one day?
Rich people are funding these experimental cities called “Network States”.
Theres a guy named Balaji Srinivasan (Ex-Coinbase CTO) that wrote a book about the topic .
Think of em as a block chain powered city
An example of this kind of stuff is Praxis City which is funded by Peter Thiel
A problem with living forever is our bodies have too many things that go wrong over time. We have 206 bones that will certainly after our sixth decade start breaking down rapidly. Humans are basically just bones, tendons, muscles, blood, nerves, etc. These are very hard to keep from aging. Also our brain would be a very hard organ to keep alive indefinately. We have Neurotransmitters that fire which again after seven decades or so will not work anywhere near capacity to a young person. When one is still below age 40 they believe this is all possible. After age 45 about one realizes death is coming at an alarming rate. " Death is real for those who fear, the dwelling darkness that calls them near. Seeming end to what was before. Imagined nonexistence beyond the door ". I wrote those words in my twenties. Since then death has knocked on my door numerous times. Thank God Jesus died on that cross so I can have eternal life. God Bless all my loved ones in Heaven.
Antonio and Bryan aren’t really understanding each other. Bryan’s “don’t die” mantra is about not slowly decaying into nothing…it isn’t about living in fear of danger. It’s about maximizing the potential for you to continue to go to Ukraine and maybe if you’re not so fat you’ll be more productive and save a life or something. If you don’t maximize the physical self you are leaving so much on the table of life
So it's basically "stay healthy". Hardly a new or revolutionary argument.
@@sarlis525 I agree with you but how many on the planet actually practice it?
@@MathGPT Certainly not enough and mostly at their own peril. I'm just saying Bryan doesn't add much new to the conversation.
44:05 - it's not a viewpoint, it's a fact. lol. When have we ever not jettisoned the old for the new? Even religions change their belief systems.
Lot of dualism going on here. Either you're attached to your life and the material world, or you give it all up to worship God. In reality we have to live within the brutality of life with faith in our heart and work to help others and advance spiritually for the next life. The middle way if you will through christ. Through the heart.
cope
From the looks of it techno traditionalism is on the rise in the west
IMO he should have just stuck to the health and longevity stuff. Lost me when he started talking about more change happening in the next 30 years vs last 2,000 years. Possible... but by most metrics the rate of change has been slowing down over the last 70 years, not speeding up. Someone born in 1900 saw the Wright Brothers maiden flight and the moon landing. Airplanes are now flying at the same speeds as in the 1950's. To look up from our smartphones is to see a world that has barely changed since the 1970s. Everything has been condensed into a narrow cone of progress (digital world). In many ways, we've gone backwards, nuclear being the prime example. Would like to know what is really behind his prediction. e.g. has he had these thoughts for a while? Was it ChatGPT that changed his mind.
This guy talking a lot sounds not too smart, Brian is very patient.
100% mad annoying let bryan speeekkkkk 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Antonio appeared for this guy but for neither episode with Curtis Yarvin. I just don't get it.
54:25 - he just kept looking for excuses to talk about his personal beliefs. He didn't even try to understand what Bryan was talking about. He's so stuck in his limited mindset. He also seems hateful towards non-jawish people. (spelling error intentional to avoid algorithm). It's so sad when you come across people who are incapable of opening their minds to new realities.
So much debating for the sake of being the devil's advocate and their negative bias towards Bryan's ideas was so obvious. Very annoying interviewers.
How can you have a guest as great as Brian Johnson with this absolute trash audio
You can’t extinguish consciousness. Consciousness is distributed throughout the Universe, internetworked, and eternal.
AI is not conscious
Erik your face is too clear
Oh my, this host, I had to skip all the parts with him- he is talking more than the guest, all the time touching his mouth or face with his right hand!...yuck
This is another low-quality episode, though I blame Bryan more than Antonio (or Erik).
God is AI and created us for the sole purpose to experience feelings
The guy in the middle talks way too much, with little point.