My father & I took my Vietnam War veteran grandfather to Washington D.C. several years ago for the first time for him to see the Vietnam War Memorial Wall. He got drafted in the late 1960s & he got injured by shrapnel from a land mine (in addition to getting shot), so he got sent home & received a Purple Heart. However, 6 of his buddies didn't make it back home, so before the trip he made a list of all of their names & where they were located on The Wall. As he found each on The Memorial Wall, he got very emotional knowing that he managed to come home (though injured), get married, have 3 sons, & live another 50 years, but 6 of his friends didn't.
Lucky for him that US mainland was safe from the war. Unlike Vietnamese people at that time, they hadnt had any safe haven to come back from injured, to get married, to have kids, to have ONLY six buddies died from the war until the war ended. We normally have HUNDREDS of friends and relatives died here and there. So, thanks USA from comming uninvitedly. Yeah, the US veterans are the Biggest victims of the war.
🤣🤣🤣 instead of reading my comment carefully to fathom how the war look like from the other side and all of its consequences, you chose to judge me with your ignorance and bias. @coolman6139
@@syquydinh8794 says the guy doing what aboutism. Like no dude one side suffering more is not an excuse for the other side to not be felt bad about at all.
It's said that Ho Chi Minh then named (Nguyen Ai Quoc) was actually in Paris in 1919 and sought to petition the League of Nations for Independence from France, but it fell on deaf ears so he then embraced the French Socialist Party and the works of Lenin and Marx. Minh actually liked the idea of the United States and used the Declaration of Independence as motivation for his fight for Vietnamese Independence. It's ashame that the nation he admired ignored his help to be free of the French and then would end up fighting them.
Well, Ho Chi Minh was already a socialist/communist by the time of the Versailles Conference so it isn’t like being ignored is what pushed him to the left, but otherwise yeah it’s unfortunate
@@JohnBrownsBody from what i know he was a nationalist and that he was fighting for his country independent not for politic, the OSS part of the CIA reached out for him during mid ww2 to fight the japanese
@@some_random_vietnamese7551 Ho Chi Minh's communism and his nationalism were inseparable - it isn't a "one or the other" thing. Like others in his time, he believed that one could not be a true nationalist and desire full independence and self-sufficiency from colonial powers if one did not break with an exploitative global market, aka capitalism. With that being said. he was an opportunist who was willing to make alliances with the likes of the United States if it would end colonial rule in Vietnam, but most politicians are.
After having travelled to Vietnam recently and seeing their perspective of the ‘American war’ you learn how cruel the Americans were with their use of tiger cages and tortured methods and senseless slaughter of innocents which really highlighted how biased the western view of the war is. 3 million Vietnamese were killed and the lasting effects of agent orange affected thousands and people to this day. It is important to remember the cruelty of the USA and not to celebrate their involvement
Yeah uhm no. The US didn't torture and use tiger cages that was the Vietcong dumb dumb 😂. Also Vietnam loves America nowadays. Hell we are their main ally and their entire country is attempting 2 become a shell of what our economy is like.
@@hawx00145 That was practically no one. For most of the "volunteers" it was either "volunteer" for some military position that was less likely to get them killed or be drafted as cannon fodder. And of course there was no communist threat. The threat was to the Vietnamese people, who just wanted the colonizers out. Much like Ruzzia is doing to Ukraine today, the French and Americans were the invaders who had no business being there at all, and committed countless atrocities against the people.
It’s not like the Vietnamese were fighting for freedom. US was trying to prevent communism which was a very threatening thing back then. This was during the Cold War after all
@@abthedragon4921 Same here, I hope that Oversimplified's next video is also about the Vietnam war. It's been something like 8 months since his last video, I guess we'll see...
Ho Chi Ming's version of communism wasn't really communist at all. He fought for his nation first and communism second which made the USSR and China sceptical about his intentions
This just isn’t true. A persistent myth. Ho Chi Minh was a dedicated communist to the core, but he was very strategic and was willing to compromise dogma in order to achieve overall objectives.
@@greenz051 And yet this is a misquote which you copy and pasted off of the PBS website. If you go and actually look at the origin of the quote, the context changes the entire meaning. Among Ho Chi Minh's collected works, published in 1960, was the essay "The Path Which Led Me To Leninism". In this essay, Ho Chi Minh states: "At first, patriotism, not yet communism, led me to have confidence in Lenin, in the Third International. Step by step, along the struggle, by studying Marxism-Leninism parallel with participation in practical activities, I gradually came upon the fact that only socialism and communism can liberate the oppressed nations and the working people throughout the world from slavery." The point being that Ho Chi Minh did not see any contradiction between patriotism and communism, and in fact believed that you could not have serious patriotism without a communist society which would rid the nations of the vestiges of imperialism. If you don't believe me you can google it, but that quote is a misquote that people throw around a lot without finding the full original statement. The original essay the misquote comes from is in full here ( www.marxists.org/reference/archive/ho-chi-minh/works/1960/04/x01.htm )
@@greenz051 and @oliversherman2414 --Ho cited both patriotism and loyalty to the (international) communist cause as personal motivations. Occasionally, he extolled one over the other, but only tactically, to match his message to the listener, as was necessary to maintain a political balancing act. As @JohnBrownsBody explained here, Ho’s patriotism was inextricable from his communist conviction, and vice-versa.
What makes me sad is that Ho Chi Minh requested a meeting with Wilson when he was in Versailles. We could have avoided Vietnam if Wilson had any balls.
@@jamesboyle6134Wilson is bar none the worst President of all time. Every failed US “intervention” sits on him, because his policies on intervention still stand today.
Even if Wilson, an ardent racist and not particularly anti-colonial, somehow agreed to meet Ho Chi Minh and champion his cause, the French would’ve just ignored it. It’s not so much Wilson’s fault as the collective fault of the Allied powers.
It's actually not true if Ho Chi Minh ever went to Versailles because a lot about Ho Chi Minh was fabricated after he was basically put under house arrest in a coup in the early 60's and the regime used him as a figurehead
Yes! Glad you finally made a revision of this! Can’t wait to see what you do next! Korean War would be cool. Some other good video ideas would be The Suez Crisis or The Iran Hostage Crisis.
The South Vietnamese\ American rescue effort was code-named operation frequent wind. Great job on the video really enjoyed it as a briton, I am grateful that Britain did not ultimately get sucked into this war.
My uncle John flew helicopters in Vietnam. The name of one of his friends who served with him is on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, I’ve never been to that memorial when I went to Washington DC.
thanks for this video, i have an gcse on Amercia - conflict home and abroad - and your previous video has been ever so helpful in my past mocks while being at a near light - speed rate.
The fact that this animation was made with Krita amazed me.I also like to see non-Vietnamese historian made the video related to this war that did not put the North Vietnam in bad life.We were defending our country from the Us. But I think in 2:00 Ngo Dinh Diem’s name is pronounced ‘zi:em’.Overall,this is a great video. I should use this for learning history about Vietnam lol. Sorry if there was a grammar error in this comment. My English is kinda bad because English is not my first language😅
Excellent documentary! What you consider making a video about the Korean War? It was a important conflict that is sadly forgotten and overshadowed by WWII and the Vietnam War.
Forgotten? It's the one that's still going on today. There was no peace treaty, only a continuing armistice in an ongoing cold war that could turn hot any day, now with nukes.
We tried to win someone else's civil war for them. We got our asses kicked. We lost every single one of our stated goals. And we scurried home with our tails between our legs. Remind any of my fellow Americans of more recent events?
its true that the USA got their asses handed to them in vietnam, but the USA commited unspeakable atrocities and genocide against millions. this was as much a war as it was a massacre of vietnamese civillians by US forces.
@@samwill7259no shit but saying they kicked our asses is hilariously downplaying had brutally we fucked them up and how little damage they did 2 us. 😂
I know war is a horrible thing, but if it weren't for this war, I would never have met a great man who later became a close friend and a father figure to me. Kudos to the content creator for making this so easy to understand.
Hey John, would you ever consider doing a video on The Troubles? I have been wanting to learn about the topic recently, and I think many people would like that topic made into a video
Idk I mean even though Vietnam fell to Communism, it would be the last. No other country would dare adopt Common because of the threat of US intervention. I’d say that’s a win
vietnam was not a disaster because the US failed, vietnam was a disaster because of the ungodly amounts of wanton destruction caused IN vietnam. What happened in the USA was absolutely nothing compared to what the USA was doing in vietnam
As an American who has grandparents who escaped the collapse of South Vietnam, I have an obligation to watch this. Even if I’m far too familiar with the history.
Soviet Afghan War would be an interesting one to do too as it would have big geo political consequences to that entire reason as well as leading to the fall of the USSR.
It’s really simple honestly Vietnam declared independence, white people didn’t like that because they wanted to be the ones to exploit the resources of the land. They started a war instead of simply granting Vietnam independence.
Something that wasn't talked about in this video was the incessant use of "Fortunate Son" in the Vietnam War. Soldiers reported that they heard that song anytime they were in a helicopter, taking a swift boat deep into the jungle, and even their penises would play "Fortunate Son" when they'd visit a whorehouse.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident had so much "black ink" around it. Documents have been declassified regarding MACV SOG activities in Hanoi that day and also just what exactly the USS Maddox was listening in on out there.
What's funny is FULRO recently rose up (splinters) and attacked the Dak Lak People's committee and police stations, killing a few officers and civilians. It's a far cry of what they used to be.
There's a whole street where I live (large-ish city in southern Canada) that's almost all the descendants of people who fled South Vietnam. Some of them even still fly the old republic flags next to the Canadian one.
Just normal historical facts but you are wrong about the "𝗆аssаᴄre" by Vietᴄоng soldiers, rather call this a product of U.S. forces. At least two French reporters entered the NVA's area, they were initially arrested on suspicion of spying but then allowed to move freely around and take pictures. No panic was seen on the part of the people and they were released to the other side just before the war escalated when the U.S. started dropping NAPALMS. Furthermore, when shown the deep pits containing bodies allegedly by the NVA, reporters all raised questions. Apparently, the North army didn't have the motorized means to dig such deep holes and even do it right before they rushed off. Ask yourself why every time enemies of the US military make major advances, "humanitarian crimes" are committed? It's ironic that after all the big lies to the world from the False Flag Empire like America: Operation Nоrtһwооԁ, Gulf of Tоnkіn, Bay of Pіɡs, Sаԁԁam Hussein's chemical weapons, Μ𝗒 Lаі 𝗆аssаᴄre... you guys still choose to continue to lay trust in it? Vietnamese soldiers fought for patriotism and love for their nation and people, and they won because it was the people's war, And the fact you faced failure after failure just because you lied.
After ww2 finish French ask the British to sort out the Vietnam till they got back. British and the Japanese pow fought the vietcong. They did quite well due to experience fight in jungle.
@@vdragon7468 They do mention that in the video, that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was false but was used to airstrike North Vietnam and have congress allow LBJ to escalate the situation further.
@@vdragon7468this is why I think LBJ was a bad president he opposed civil rights in his first years of law making and sent troops to Vietnam instead of just military advisors like what JFK and Dwight did.
11:00 I noticed a detail where helicopter that was flying in the drawing, This could reference the helicopter pilot Hugh Thompson’s who saved life’s in the massacre where he landed in front of the us troops and convinced the leader of the 2nd platoon to back down and evacuating the remaining Vietnamese. ruclips.net/video/ydo1TLuOHiY/видео.html
There's almost no real way you could know this, but 'Pathet Lao' is pronounced 'Pa-tayd Lao' and it means something like 'The Lao Nation'. The romanization of Lao is a catastrophe.
Nixon trying to convince China and the USSR to give up on Vietnam through diplomacy is quite possibly one of the worst presidential decisions ever made. Communist china was halfway to becoming a failed state like Cuba, but rather than continue embargoing them, he foolishly thought that he could convince them to abandon their ally by lifting embargoes. Rather than convince them, he got played like a fiddle. China and Russia just continued to support Vietnam, and China began to economically improve. Now Vietnam is known as one of America’s greatest defeats, and China is now the most dangerous superpower to democracy and the United States. Oh and since they’re going to demographically collapse in 10-15 years due to the One Child Policy, they’ll probably declare war to take Taiwan within that time period. Thanks Nixon!
China will never declare on taiwan. Their policy has always been to try and peacefully reunify with the island just like they did with hong kong. Problem is ofc taiwan doesn't want it lmao
Reminds me a bit of Ukraine. But with reversed roles. This time Material comes from the West and Russian troops are the one being wasted. Though i don't know if there were Soviet or Chinese soldiers involved in Vietnam.
@@sandeepadhikari3907Actually Soviets mostly take advisory role. Radar, SAMs, high tech weaponry, the Soviet supplied and instructed us how to use them.
make no mistake, in vietnam the US forces killed a disproportionately high amount of the vietnamese because they were much much more poorly armed, and the USA was murdering civillians left right and centre, search and destroy missions would leave 6 dead for every weapon captured. the USA's actions in vietnam are as accurately described as war as they are genocide.
I don't know why you're giving sympathy to the landlords in North Vietnam because they "owned" the land. That's like saying we should be sympathetic to slave owners because we took away their property. Actually, this comparison is especially effective because the landlords treated the tenants and peasants on their lands like actual slaves.
@@JohnDRuddyMannyMan What specifically do you mean? By the way, sorry if I came across as rude in the comment, I love your content and this video was really good as well in general.
@@Planet.Xplor3r I don't believe Mr. Ruddy is actually extending sympathy to them. In fact, I strongly suspect his sympathies are with the former peasants.
Because they are human, many of the North Vietnamese landlords was indeed wrongly treated. Land reforms are necessary for that period to re-distribute wealth more evenly, I do not attest to that, if not even support that. Yet the land reforms in NV not only did not result in compensation for the owners but also led to many deaths. The land reform was chaotic as it was lead by greed and long-built hatred and many commoners was peer-pressured by others to throw accusations towards the now powerless landlord class, because they do not want to be seen as "land-lord sympathizer" accusations that they would not have thrown otherwise. My great great grandfather was a minor landlord, he is known in the region for giving out generous loan and a significant of those were not required to be given back. When he was accused on the grounds of his wealth, he was executed. Yet because of his good deeds and lack of evil, many peasants, powerless to protect him, instead did what they can to repay, they buried him and marked his body. Thanks to that, decades later after unification, my family were able to go back to North Vietnam (from SV) to find his body and properly bury it; a blessing as many bodies were never marked and found. Another point is that a large number of the landlords that are executed were supporters of Viet Minh as they used their wealth to aid the revolution with many of their children are serving military within the People's army. For example, Nguyễn Thị Năm, a wealthy businesswomen and land-owner in North Vietnam contributed endless wealth and land towards the cause of revolution. Her property used to house many important figure in NV like Võ Nguyễn Giáp, Lê Đức Thọ, Trường Chinh. Her two sons were in the People's army and she was the leader of the Vietnam Women's Union in her province yet it did not stop her to become one of the earliest victim if execution in the land-reform. Ho Chi Minh lost all his de-facto power in the VCP after the land-reform for a reason, he had to do an official apology to the public for a reason after the land-reform was done, not because of the idea of land-reform but how it was chaotically conducted and how many it killed.
Not-so-fun-fact: The British could've been involved in Vietnam, but the Prime Minister at the time wasn't particularly happy with the Americans, after the US MIC had convinced him to cancel the TSR.2 prototype supersonic bomber, in favour of buying F-111s for cheap, only to then immediately welch on the F-111 offer and never deliver the promised planes.
It's more than that, after the Japanese defeat in WW2, Britain sent forces into what was at the time Indochina and if they had been given more support by the French and particularly Americans, would have succeeded where both the French and Americans failed.
That's why the US shouldn't go messing with people who they have no business messing with. They could destroy south America in order to keep profiting, but they couldn't destroy Vietnam because they got what was coming to them. I see the loss of the war as payback. The vast majority of the south vietnamese people literally wanted to unite with Ho Chi Minh, but the US wanted money, so we go in and lose horribly. And on top of that, we treated our own so poorly that it became arguably the most psychologically taxing war we've fought as a result, or at least tying with the conflict in the middle east.
vietnam may have the best 50 year run of all time. liberated themselves from japan, fended off france and america back to back, defeated cambodia and overthrew the khmer rouge, and then pushed back the chinese
Won't make a difference, Americans have their hands tied behind their back with Washington meddling with tactical and strategic decisions. In short, put more Americans in Vietnam, a lot more casualties will be getting out.
Dumb. Your grandfather should have been sent to the war then so there is no current you speaking bs. The vietnamese already prepared to fight another ten years so yes come at it.
although the U.S lost the war on a strategical standpoint. they forever impacted vietnam in ways we can now see in todays society. We helped advance their society and help remove oppression that they once felt, and now they have a thriving economy and a sense of western living in their inner cities. America left the impact of freedom on their people, and i think that will forever be beautiful
@@JohnDRuddyMannyMan like i said, in a strategical standpoint where numbers matter. We lost there’s no denying it, but the american dream is what managed to survive because of our presence and how freedom was implemented
@@fillet-minion Yeah, what a dream. About 4 million slaughtered, hundreds of children born each year with birth defects, cancers, missing limbs, because of American chemical warfare, thousands killed, mostly children, from American unexploded ordnance. No reparations ever paid. Keep your American dream.
@@JohnDRuddyMannyManI did I laughed while I did 2 🤡. Vietnam loves America in the modern day their fight against America wasn't even top 5 of their worst wars go cry white boy.
Holy fucking shit dude, what the fuck did I just read. Did you really REALLY just write this? Vietnamese wanted independence, and they got independence and the United States did everything in their power to destroy their will. Destroy their people, destroy their culture, unless an army of racist sociopaths to murder and rape the population in a genocide. And what you take away from that is that the war was ultimately both a victory (which it wasn’t) and good (which it isn’t) Educate yourself before you write bullshit. Even this video for as rushed and mild as it is does not take up this line of reasoning.
You are insulting our great father, who is always ready to encourage his children to be courageous for the country, and you also dare to insult you. YOU WILL NOT LIVE LONG
I know! I wish I could! Drawing these takes time and I still have to supplement this channel with other external projects to pay the bills. If my Patreon can support me more full time, you’d totally be getting more content more often! Patreon.com/johndruddy ;)
Also it seems like you forget the soviets actively helped out and Vietnam at that time had one of the most robust anti air systems at that time. It wasn't tHeY gIt BeAt By RIcE fArMezrs. It's wow we killed all your proper.mikitaty equipment and your only option was 2 hide among women and children and booby trap everything. And even then we slaughtered the enemy so bad our people considered it a genocide and demanded that we leave.
My father & I took my Vietnam War veteran grandfather to Washington D.C. several years ago for the first time for him to see the Vietnam War Memorial Wall. He got drafted in the late 1960s & he got injured by shrapnel from a land mine (in addition to getting shot), so he got sent home & received a Purple Heart. However, 6 of his buddies didn't make it back home, so before the trip he made a list of all of their names & where they were located on The Wall. As he found each on The Memorial Wall, he got very emotional knowing that he managed to come home (though injured), get married, have 3 sons, & live another 50 years, but 6 of his friends didn't.
I'm so sorry to hear about that. It must've been so tough for your father.
Lucky for him that US mainland was safe from the war. Unlike Vietnamese people at that time, they hadnt had any safe haven to come back from injured, to get married, to have kids, to have ONLY six buddies died from the war until the war ended. We normally have HUNDREDS of friends and relatives died here and there. So, thanks USA from comming uninvitedly. Yeah, the US veterans are the Biggest victims of the war.
@@syquydinh8794he has more of a life than you'll ever have.
🤣🤣🤣 instead of reading my comment carefully to fathom how the war look like from the other side and all of its consequences, you chose to judge me with your ignorance and bias. @coolman6139
@@syquydinh8794 says the guy doing what aboutism.
Like no dude one side suffering more is not an excuse for the other side to not be felt bad about at all.
It's said that Ho Chi Minh then named (Nguyen Ai Quoc) was actually in Paris in 1919 and sought to petition the League of Nations for Independence from France, but it fell on deaf ears so he then embraced the French Socialist Party and the works of Lenin and Marx. Minh actually liked the idea of the United States and used the Declaration of Independence as motivation for his fight for Vietnamese Independence. It's ashame that the nation he admired ignored his help to be free of the French and then would end up fighting them.
Well, Ho Chi Minh was already a socialist/communist by the time of the Versailles Conference so it isn’t like being ignored is what pushed him to the left, but otherwise yeah it’s unfortunate
Yup
@@JohnBrownsBody from what i know he was a nationalist and that he was fighting for his country independent not for politic, the OSS part of the CIA reached out for him during mid ww2 to fight the japanese
@@some_random_vietnamese7551 Ho Chi Minh's communism and his nationalism were inseparable - it isn't a "one or the other" thing. Like others in his time, he believed that one could not be a true nationalist and desire full independence and self-sufficiency from colonial powers if one did not break with an exploitative global market, aka capitalism. With that being said. he was an opportunist who was willing to make alliances with the likes of the United States if it would end colonial rule in Vietnam, but most politicians are.
Ho Chi Minh name It's Nguyen sinh cung
Hello, I am Vietnamese. I love my country's history very much, there are heroic struggles of my people. Thank you for making such a great video
After having travelled to Vietnam recently and seeing their perspective of the ‘American war’ you learn how cruel the Americans were with their use of tiger cages and tortured methods and senseless slaughter of innocents which really highlighted how biased the western view of the war is. 3 million Vietnamese were killed and the lasting effects of agent orange affected thousands and people to this day. It is important to remember the cruelty of the USA and not to celebrate their involvement
Yeah uhm no. The US didn't torture and use tiger cages that was the Vietcong dumb dumb 😂. Also Vietnam loves America nowadays. Hell we are their main ally and their entire country is attempting 2 become a shell of what our economy is like.
Thank you for learning thw war from our perspective as well.
The American soldier was fighting because he was told to.
The Vietnamese soldier was fighting for his country.
This comment does a disservice to the majority of men, who actually volunteered against a communist threat.
@@hawx00145 Given that this exact phrase was told to me by an American Vietnam veteran who volunteered, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
@@hawx00145 There was no communist threat. The biggest threat was American aggression.
@@hawx00145 That was practically no one. For most of the "volunteers" it was either "volunteer" for some military position that was less likely to get them killed or be drafted as cannon fodder.
And of course there was no communist threat. The threat was to the Vietnamese people, who just wanted the colonizers out. Much like Ruzzia is doing to Ukraine today, the French and Americans were the invaders who had no business being there at all, and committed countless atrocities against the people.
It’s not like the Vietnamese were fighting for freedom. US was trying to prevent communism which was a very threatening thing back then. This was during the Cold War after all
This guy and oversimplified should collaborate
Great idea 💡
God I would love to see that!
@@abthedragon4921 Same here, I hope that Oversimplified's next video is also about the Vietnam war. It's been something like 8 months since his last video, I guess we'll see...
@@majesticfirebird2310I mean Oversimplified has “higher production quality” so no wonder it takes so long lol
Oversimplified is an unfunny shill
Ho Chi Ming's version of communism wasn't really communist at all. He fought for his nation first and communism second which made the USSR and China sceptical about his intentions
This just isn’t true. A persistent myth. Ho Chi Minh was a dedicated communist to the core, but he was very strategic and was willing to compromise dogma in order to achieve overall objectives.
Although the U.S. opposed Ho because he was a Communist, the leader once explained, "It was patriotism, *not Communism* , that inspired me."
@@greenz051 My point exactly
@@greenz051 And yet this is a misquote which you copy and pasted off of the PBS website. If you go and actually look at the origin of the quote, the context changes the entire meaning. Among Ho Chi Minh's collected works, published in 1960, was the essay "The Path Which Led Me To Leninism". In this essay, Ho Chi Minh states:
"At first, patriotism, not yet communism, led me to have confidence in Lenin, in the Third International. Step by step, along the struggle, by studying Marxism-Leninism parallel with participation in practical activities, I gradually came upon the fact that only socialism and communism can liberate the oppressed nations and the working people throughout the world from slavery."
The point being that Ho Chi Minh did not see any contradiction between patriotism and communism, and in fact believed that you could not have serious patriotism without a communist society which would rid the nations of the vestiges of imperialism. If you don't believe me you can google it, but that quote is a misquote that people throw around a lot without finding the full original statement. The original essay the misquote comes from is in full here ( www.marxists.org/reference/archive/ho-chi-minh/works/1960/04/x01.htm )
@@greenz051 and @oliversherman2414 --Ho cited both patriotism and loyalty to the (international) communist cause as personal motivations. Occasionally, he extolled one over the other, but only tactically, to match his message to the listener, as was necessary to maintain a political balancing act. As @JohnBrownsBody explained here, Ho’s patriotism was inextricable from his communist conviction, and vice-versa.
What makes me sad is that Ho Chi Minh requested a meeting with Wilson when he was in Versailles. We could have avoided Vietnam if Wilson had any balls.
Wilson was a pretty rubbish and generally ineffective president IMHO.
@@jamesboyle6134Wilson is bar none the worst President of all time. Every failed US “intervention” sits on him, because his policies on intervention still stand today.
@@jamesboyle6134 Don't forget that he was a vapid racist.
Even if Wilson, an ardent racist and not particularly anti-colonial, somehow agreed to meet Ho Chi Minh and champion his cause, the French would’ve just ignored it. It’s not so much Wilson’s fault as the collective fault of the Allied powers.
It's actually not true if Ho Chi Minh ever went to Versailles because a lot about Ho Chi Minh was fabricated after he was basically put under house arrest in a coup in the early 60's and the regime used him as a figurehead
Trivia note: The U.S. game show The Amazing Race has been on for 34 Seasons, & they have traveled to Vietnam for 6 of them; 3, 10, 15, 22, 29, & 31.
this remasterd version is so much better with slower commentary speed which allows me to absorb. thank you very much for the effort.
Yes! Glad you finally made a revision of this! Can’t wait to see what you do next! Korean War would be cool. Some other good video ideas would be The Suez Crisis or The Iran Hostage Crisis.
The South Vietnamese\ American rescue effort was code-named operation frequent wind. Great job on the video really enjoyed it as a briton, I am grateful that Britain did not ultimately get sucked into this war.
My uncle John flew helicopters in Vietnam. The name of one of his friends who served with him is on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, I’ve never been to that memorial when I went to Washington DC.
thanks for this video, i have an gcse on Amercia - conflict home and abroad - and your previous video has been ever so helpful in my past mocks while being at a near light - speed rate.
The fact that this animation was made with Krita amazed me.I also like to see non-Vietnamese historian made the video related to this war that did not put the North Vietnam in bad life.We were defending our country from the Us. But I think in 2:00 Ngo Dinh Diem’s name is pronounced ‘zi:em’.Overall,this is a great video. I should use this for learning history about Vietnam lol.
Sorry if there was a grammar error in this comment. My English is kinda bad because English is not my first language😅
I love your videos, I grew up watching them.
I remember downloading the original videos onto my iPod touch to listen to on the school bus. Amazing videos mate
"Patriotism over Communism."
- Ho Chi Mihn
After long time you returned
Excellent documentary! What you consider making a video about the Korean War? It was a important conflict that is sadly forgotten and overshadowed by WWII and the Vietnam War.
Forgotten? It's the one that's still going on today. There was no peace treaty, only a continuing armistice in an ongoing cold war that could turn hot any day, now with nukes.
We tried to win someone else's civil war for them.
We got our asses kicked.
We lost every single one of our stated goals.
And we scurried home with our tails between our legs. Remind any of my fellow Americans of more recent events?
It was because of the antiwar protesters that the U.S. lost. Not because of any military failures.
@@Dr.Fatherland If you lose a war due to morale failure, you still lose a war.
its true that the USA got their asses handed to them in vietnam, but the USA commited unspeakable atrocities and genocide against millions. this was as much a war as it was a massacre of vietnamese civillians by US forces.
@@Dr.Fatherland 20 years of war with no progress is a military failures.
@@samwill7259no shit but saying they kicked our asses is hilariously downplaying had brutally we fucked them up and how little damage they did 2 us. 😂
I know war is a horrible thing, but if it weren't for this war, I would never have met a great man who later became a close friend and a father figure to me.
Kudos to the content creator for making this so easy to understand.
Hey John, would you ever consider doing a video on The Troubles? I have been wanting to learn about the topic recently, and I think many people would like that topic made into a video
He actually already did one. It's called "The Conflicts in The North (of Ireland)" and is pretty good.
At 9:49 it says the Nguyen van thieu became the president in 1975 whereas the picture shows prime minister ; just for clarity, he became the president
Fantastic video! Vietnam was a disaster including the events happening back in the USA. 😞
Idk I mean even though Vietnam fell to Communism, it would be the last. No other country would dare adopt Common because of the threat of US intervention. I’d say that’s a win
@@Geojr815 Still a lost. Vietnam have to adopt Communism for national independence. The Domino Theory was a fraud and it's nonexistent.
vietnam was not a disaster because the US failed, vietnam was a disaster because of the ungodly amounts of wanton destruction caused IN vietnam. What happened in the USA was absolutely nothing compared to what the USA was doing in vietnam
The Vietnamese perhaps the most ingenious enemy the us has ever fought.
Well played Vietnam well played.
To their credit, the Viets really knew how to bury the hatchet after the war. Kinda like how the Philippines treated Japanese after World War 2.
Vietnamese people didnt choose to be your enemy. Your country made us your enemy 😅😅😅.
As an American who has grandparents who escaped the collapse of South Vietnam, I have an obligation to watch this. Even if I’m far too familiar with the history.
Soviet Afghan War would be an interesting one to do too as it would have big geo political consequences to that entire reason as well as leading to the fall of the USSR.
Then you should also recognize many of this video’s inaccuracies and many pieces of our history that wasnt even included
Read Nick tulse’s “kill anything that moves” for the sobering reality of American war crimes in south Vietnam.
true amazing job, john
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Great stuff 👏🏼👏🏼
This is pretty much the 1 war I will never understand completely
You can't understand ANY war completely.
It’s really simple honestly
Vietnam declared independence, white people didn’t like that because they wanted to be the ones to exploit the resources of the land. They started a war instead of simply granting Vietnam independence.
Thank you for making vietman❤❤❤and i am vietnamese❤
9:39 Nice Iron Man reference.
“This is war-mastered!”
great artist and history man you are
Bravo
Something that wasn't talked about in this video was the incessant use of "Fortunate Son" in the Vietnam War. Soldiers reported that they heard that song anytime they were in a helicopter, taking a swift boat deep into the jungle, and even their penises would play "Fortunate Son" when they'd visit a whorehouse.
It would be great for a video about 2 cultures meeting
Great timing
I was listening to some Viet Cong songs
Waiting for a video on the troubles..
The Gulf of Tonkin incident had so much "black ink" around it. Documents have been declassified regarding MACV SOG activities in Hanoi that day and also just what exactly the USS Maddox was listening in on out there.
that or something else
The Starfox reference is great
Amayzing:)
5:10 'no dinner'
I watched the original, this was nice
What's funny is FULRO recently rose up (splinters) and attacked the Dak Lak People's committee and police stations, killing a few officers and civilians. It's a far cry of what they used to be.
There's a whole street where I live (large-ish city in southern Canada) that's almost all the descendants of people who fled South Vietnam. Some of them even still fly the old republic flags next to the Canadian one.
How sad
Weird that they still fly a flag that isn't recognised by any country
💀
@@tntkit❤
Just normal historical facts but you are wrong about the "𝗆аssаᴄre" by Vietᴄоng soldiers, rather call this a product of U.S. forces. At least two French reporters entered the NVA's area, they were initially arrested on suspicion of spying but then allowed to move freely around and take pictures. No panic was seen on the part of the people and they were released to the other side just before the war escalated when the U.S. started dropping NAPALMS. Furthermore, when shown the deep pits containing bodies allegedly by the NVA, reporters all raised questions. Apparently, the North army didn't have the motorized means to dig such deep holes and even do it right before they rushed off. Ask yourself why every time enemies of the US military make major advances, "humanitarian crimes" are committed? It's ironic that after all the big lies to the world from the False Flag Empire like America: Operation Nоrtһwооԁ, Gulf of Tоnkіn, Bay of Pіɡs, Sаԁԁam Hussein's chemical weapons, Μ𝗒 Lаі 𝗆аssаᴄre... you guys still choose to continue to lay trust in it? Vietnamese soldiers fought for patriotism and love for their nation and people, and they won because it was the people's war, And the fact you faced failure after failure just because you lied.
After ww2 finish French ask the British to sort out the Vietnam till they got back. British and the Japanese pow fought the vietcong. They did quite well due to experience fight in jungle.
When will the next English monarchs video come out
There's a lot of important things that happened that this video doesn't cover
I'm soo glad of the outcome.
Manny editon
i wish you made those videos on black background
why did it said at 0:59 Khmer issarak instead of khmer rouge
*loves Republic of Vietnam*
can you do one on the Third Century Crisis
Your voice is like my history teacher is your name Steve
You can defeat an army, but you will never be able to defeat a nation 🇻🇳
But a small mistake tho, the Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened, pure propaganda effort by the US
@@vdragon7468 They do mention that in the video, that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was false but was used to airstrike North Vietnam and have congress allow LBJ to escalate the situation further.
@@diegoquezada3193 the 2nd one he confirmed is false but the first one he never did
@@vdragon7468this is why I think LBJ was a bad president he opposed civil rights in his first years of law making and sent troops to Vietnam instead of just military advisors like what JFK and Dwight did.
I was hoping that you would have the Secret War and the Hmong people's involvement in your video.
Please do the Korean War
11:00 I noticed a detail where helicopter that was flying in the drawing, This could reference the helicopter pilot Hugh Thompson’s who saved life’s in the massacre where he landed in front of the us troops and convinced the leader of the 2nd platoon to back down and evacuating the remaining Vietnamese.
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4:58 Rage Against The Machine...
If you went over there …. Thank you .
There's almost no real way you could know this, but 'Pathet Lao' is pronounced 'Pa-tayd Lao' and it means something like 'The Lao Nation'. The romanization of Lao is a catastrophe.
Nixon trying to convince China and the USSR to give up on Vietnam through diplomacy is quite possibly one of the worst presidential decisions ever made. Communist china was halfway to becoming a failed state like Cuba, but rather than continue embargoing them, he foolishly thought that he could convince them to abandon their ally by lifting embargoes. Rather than convince them, he got played like a fiddle. China and Russia just continued to support Vietnam, and China began to economically improve. Now Vietnam is known as one of America’s greatest defeats, and China is now the most dangerous superpower to democracy and the United States. Oh and since they’re going to demographically collapse in 10-15 years due to the One Child Policy, they’ll probably declare war to take Taiwan within that time period. Thanks Nixon!
China will never declare on taiwan. Their policy has always been to try and peacefully reunify with the island just like they did with hong kong. Problem is ofc taiwan doesn't want it lmao
Why did they remaster it
Why is there a white bar on the side?
Reminds me a bit of Ukraine.
But with reversed roles.
This time Material comes from the West and Russian troops are the one being wasted.
Though i don't know if there were Soviet or Chinese soldiers involved in Vietnam.
there were few soviets soilders, i dont know about chinese though
@@sandeepadhikari3907Actually Soviets mostly take advisory role. Radar, SAMs, high tech weaponry, the Soviet supplied and instructed us how to use them.
make no mistake, in vietnam the US forces killed a disproportionately high amount of the vietnamese because they were much much more poorly armed, and the USA was murdering civillians left right and centre, search and destroy missions would leave 6 dead for every weapon captured.
the USA's actions in vietnam are as accurately described as war as they are genocide.
We did not take any foreign combatants from them.
How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw a lightbulb?
YOU WOULDN'T KNOW!!! YOU WEREN'T THERE!
Don't care, bad profile picture so your opinion is automatically voided
@@gamermoment5724 ok adolf
And the bulb doesn't light.
@@bennelong8451 L lol
I don't know why you're giving sympathy to the landlords in North Vietnam because they "owned" the land. That's like saying we should be sympathetic to slave owners because we took away their property. Actually, this comparison is especially effective because the landlords treated the tenants and peasants on their lands like actual slaves.
Sympathy is your reaction
@@JohnDRuddyMannyMan What specifically do you mean? By the way, sorry if I came across as rude in the comment, I love your content and this video was really good as well in general.
@@Planet.Xplor3r I don't believe Mr. Ruddy is actually extending sympathy to them. In fact, I strongly suspect his sympathies are with the former peasants.
@@jonc4403 I know, he was generally really good on the topic as always, I was just interested in the language used when the land was redistributed.
Because they are human, many of the North Vietnamese landlords was indeed wrongly treated. Land reforms are necessary for that period to re-distribute wealth more evenly, I do not attest to that, if not even support that. Yet the land reforms in NV not only did not result in compensation for the owners but also led to many deaths.
The land reform was chaotic as it was lead by greed and long-built hatred and many commoners was peer-pressured by others to throw accusations towards the now powerless landlord class, because they do not want to be seen as "land-lord sympathizer" accusations that they would not have thrown otherwise. My great great grandfather was a minor landlord, he is known in the region for giving out generous loan and a significant of those were not required to be given back. When he was accused on the grounds of his wealth, he was executed. Yet because of his good deeds and lack of evil, many peasants, powerless to protect him, instead did what they can to repay, they buried him and marked his body. Thanks to that, decades later after unification, my family were able to go back to North Vietnam (from SV) to find his body and properly bury it; a blessing as many bodies were never marked and found.
Another point is that a large number of the landlords that are executed were supporters of Viet Minh as they used their wealth to aid the revolution with many of their children are serving military within the People's army. For example, Nguyễn Thị Năm, a wealthy businesswomen and land-owner in North Vietnam contributed endless wealth and land towards the cause of revolution. Her property used to house many important figure in NV like Võ Nguyễn Giáp, Lê Đức Thọ, Trường Chinh. Her two sons were in the People's army and she was the leader of the Vietnam Women's Union in her province yet it did not stop her to become one of the earliest victim if execution in the land-reform.
Ho Chi Minh lost all his de-facto power in the VCP after the land-reform for a reason, he had to do an official apology to the public for a reason after the land-reform was done, not because of the idea of land-reform but how it was chaotically conducted and how many it killed.
why is the map missing the south at 00:55
Could us just use nu-
Don't let me touch the sign
"mutually assured destruction"
He should do a video on the Russian Ukrainian War
He almost certainly will, but Ruzzia has to be defeated first.
Ho Chi Minh speech is really similar as Martin Luther King speech!
Napalm was In World War 2.
The stuff used in Vietnam was a different chemical.
The chemical you're referring to is called "agent orange", which was mostly dioxin. Agent orange and napalm were both used in the war.
agent orange, napalm, white phosphorus bomb, M67 flame thrower tank ..they used what they got except the nuclearbomb
Not-so-fun-fact: The British could've been involved in Vietnam, but the Prime Minister at the time wasn't particularly happy with the Americans, after the US MIC had convinced him to cancel the TSR.2 prototype supersonic bomber, in favour of buying F-111s for cheap, only to then immediately welch on the F-111 offer and never deliver the promised planes.
It's more than that, after the Japanese defeat in WW2, Britain sent forces into what was at the time Indochina and if they had been given more support by the French and particularly Americans, would have succeeded where both the French and Americans failed.
How come you didn't mention that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was literally a false flag?
the viet cong number one
Even Ho Chi Minh's enemies love Him
Just call it NLF
I saw the Napalm girl
Bro what iron man doing in the tunnels
Just a little Easter egg. His original comic book origin was that he was captured in Vietnam
That's why the US shouldn't go messing with people who they have no business messing with. They could destroy south America in order to keep profiting, but they couldn't destroy Vietnam because they got what was coming to them. I see the loss of the war as payback. The vast majority of the south vietnamese people literally wanted to unite with Ho Chi Minh, but the US wanted money, so we go in and lose horribly. And on top of that, we treated our own so poorly that it became arguably the most psychologically taxing war we've fought as a result, or at least tying with the conflict in the middle east.
"The vast majority of the south vietnamese people literally wanted to unite with Ho Chi Minh" Are you kidding me????
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Fun fact, Vietnam is the reason why we in the US say "Thank you for your service".
No, Vietnam is why we call them "baby killer".
9:37 Ironman
vietnam may have the best 50 year run of all time. liberated themselves from japan, fended off france and america back to back, defeated cambodia and overthrew the khmer rouge, and then pushed back the chinese
They should've send in more troops in there to win the war.
Won't make a difference, Americans have their hands tied behind their back with Washington meddling with tactical and strategic decisions.
In short, put more Americans in Vietnam, a lot more casualties will be getting out.
Dumb. Your grandfather should have been sent to the war then so there is no current you speaking bs. The vietnamese already prepared to fight another ten years so yes come at it.
Có ai là ngừi việt ko
although the U.S lost the war on a strategical standpoint. they forever impacted vietnam in ways we can now see in todays society. We helped advance their society and help remove oppression that they once felt, and now they have a thriving economy and a sense of western living in their inner cities. America left the impact of freedom on their people, and i think that will forever be beautiful
Tell that to the three million dead…
@@JohnDRuddyMannyMan like i said, in a strategical standpoint where numbers matter. We lost there’s no denying it, but the american dream is what managed to survive because of our presence and how freedom was implemented
@@fillet-minion Yeah, what a dream. About 4 million slaughtered, hundreds of children born each year with birth defects, cancers, missing limbs, because of American chemical warfare, thousands killed, mostly children, from American unexploded ordnance.
No reparations ever paid.
Keep your American dream.
@@JohnDRuddyMannyManI did I laughed while I did 2 🤡. Vietnam loves America in the modern day their fight against America wasn't even top 5 of their worst wars go cry white boy.
Holy fucking shit dude, what the fuck did I just read. Did you really REALLY just write this? Vietnamese wanted independence, and they got independence and the United States did everything in their power to destroy their will. Destroy their people, destroy their culture, unless an army of racist sociopaths to murder and rape the population in a genocide.
And what you take away from that is that the war was ultimately both a victory (which it wasn’t) and good (which it isn’t)
Educate yourself before you write bullshit. Even this video for as rushed and mild as it is does not take up this line of reasoning.
You are insulting our great father, who is always ready to encourage his children to be courageous for the country, and you also dare to insult you. YOU WILL NOT LIVE LONG
I love you dude but you don’t post enough
I know! I wish I could! Drawing these takes time and I still have to supplement this channel with other external projects to pay the bills.
If my Patreon can support me more full time, you’d totally be getting more content more often!
Patreon.com/johndruddy ;)
Despite All those modern weapons, still they got their @$$es handed to them... 😂
3 million dead with only 60k friendly dead. But yeah no we got our asses kicked 😂.
Also it seems like you forget the soviets actively helped out and Vietnam at that time had one of the most robust anti air systems at that time. It wasn't tHeY gIt BeAt By RIcE fArMezrs. It's wow we killed all your proper.mikitaty equipment and your only option was 2 hide among women and children and booby trap everything. And even then we slaughtered the enemy so bad our people considered it a genocide and demanded that we leave.
Xúc phạm người việt nam 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
My father fought in Veitnam 71 to 73. US Navy
16:30 they could , but they pull out without invading the North.
Actually they did and lost. You can search up the operation linebacker 2
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Vietnam war was a racist war against blacks, Latino, indigenous Montagnard Cham Khmer Hmong peoples
Lmao how so when the asses whose we kicked were white american