Our biggest problem will be reaching those behind the curtain. Western Muslims and privileged others in Muslims countries can access the internet. Those that live a tribal life in Afghanistan and Pakistan will continue it for a long time.
Last week a muslim said to me that the variant readings "show the beauty of islam". Even though they opposite things. Read one koran i says "i went to the park" and another "you went to the park". And they say such atlernative readings show koran's beauty. That is a good example of a cult followers mind. Madmen. Keep up the good work, chris. Weare all very proud of you. God bless.
This might make sense if people called Christianity a cult as well since it's actually not true and the Bible has actual contradictions that no one can reconcile while the Quran really has none but only what people misunderstand (or make up). There's literally no evidence to support Christianity being from Jesus or God yet people blindly follow it, there are no answers to many questions regarding it (it's a mystery, can't be understood) and believe in a human blood sacrifice. Christians literally worship a man. There is nothing more cultish than that. Let's be honest.
Chris, you are a living legend in my eyes and as a Kiwi/Ozy I'm super proud of you too. I've been so demoralised with whats happening here in Oz lately with these anti-semetic protests and hatred speeches and I pray we all wake up to what is going on. I am learning so much from you and grateful for your educative vids. Keep it up and stay safe.
Hey dufus, 2 parents, 1 from Oz, 1 from NZ and I hold dual citizenship and lived in both countries. Yeah it is possible to be loyal to both countries. So SHAME ON YOU!!!!@@zabdas83
Narrated Abu Hurairs: Allah's apostle said " The Prophet Abraham circumcised himself after he had passed the age of eighty years and he circumcised himself with an adze." Did Mohammed circumcise himself after he passed the age of 40...? Was he at all circumcised after he commanded that all Muslim & men must be circumcised...???
As an ex Muslim - the variant Qurans was one of the major reasons I began questioning the claim of the Quran being perfectly preserved. If you really want to shock the Muslims show them the Sana Palimsest manuscripts. These are the oldest known quranic writing and have significant variance compared to the standard text today. God bless you brother Chris. I love your content. Jesus is Lord 🙏🏻
If you show something they already knew then that's not a shock. What is a shock is something they didn't know like blatant contradictions in the Qiraat.
I've been talking with a recent convert to Islam about the variants and the historical context of Quran and it's variants to challenge his notion of "one Quran". I believe he's almost ready to admit he's made a mistake and come back to Christ. Unfortunately like many young men he never really read the Bible as a kid and was vulnerable to the Dawah bro script.
@@matt291 yup! Most Muslims think the variant is just a variant in the accent. It is so not 😂. Yes there are times where it’s just an accent but at other times it is a variation in grammatical constructs and other entirely different words. It’s not preserved.
Excellent video again. Your videos will also stand the test of time. Valid today and for many years to come, particularly as Muslim's keep being taught "perfect preservation " Keep up The Lords work
Chris I just want to encourage you in saying that that was 100% a great rebuttal, but done in a way that is humble, gentle and in Christ's love and it is so pleasing to see this kind of response... it shows you really care about these people. Well done and keep it up bro❤
I just love the Muslim mental gymnastic when trying to explain what the Qirat is without using the word version. Oooh it's a reading. Oooh it's "complementary". Oooh it's just a different MODE of transmition.
LOL Sneako has heard about different qiraats. GodLogic in America brought this argument to him when he was with Sheikh Uhtman. He even explained how there are different meanings. Did Sneako forget or was he not listening?? 8:04 If I remember Sheikh Uthman's response to this was that in Arabic, both you and I can mean 'you'. For example in South Africa, they say 'How is the brother?' when they are talking to you. The same logic applies in the Khalaf qiraat, where it says "I am surprised" Obviously they don't say that in South Africa and that's not how Arabic works lol.
@@m1self01 U always go back 2 the Arabic 2 get the correct answer also Arabic is not Like English,Arabic has more words by far 1 word can have up 2 7 meanings
In addition to the different Qira’at and Ahrof, there have been 40+ completely different Quranic texts that have been discovered so far. And as an ex-Muslim, I can confirm that we were NEVER told about the different Qira’at, and they do taqiya when they minimize the issue and present it as merely being different accents. And the singular form is Qira’at is Qira’ah!! Qira’at is plural. And the legend of the creation of the Qira’at’s origin is Mo misremembering the “verses” he “revealed” when he would repeat them the second, third, fourth, etc.. time, and then the people who carried on the cult made up the lie of that those weren’t mistakes but must have been different accents. I wish the man in the clip towards the end said taqiya and not “lies to children”, but he must have been doing taqiya by phrasing and misrepresenting it like that.
That is a lie everyone knows and recites them because it says the name of the quiraat on the cover of every Arabic Quran …so you are probably a lying Christian like the rest of them.
Muslims always were mocking Christians of different translation, they could take it and show different wording not the meaning. I remember it was like a song, saying that Quran is not changed, even single word or a letter but now after Christian apologists fight back they have started to change the tune
If they were different accents, then why was the question raised at the time? If I wrote something and it was read in a Brummie accent and a London accent, I wouldn't need to point this out to contemporaries...
READING different recitations is the same as reading different versions...pronunciation doesn't change the meaning of the word. In South Africa we write HONOUR, in other parts of the world they write HONOR. The meaning is the same. If you have a recitation saying OWNER and another saying KING, those are different words with different meanings. All the duct tape in creation will not be enough to cover this mess up. What Muslims should be asking themselves is who is responsible for these changes, unless they want to say it's Allah then meaning he is not sure what he wants to say. [15:91] Those who made the Quran into shreds.
*Scholar Marijn van putten doesn't believe the qurans are perfectly preserved:* What do you mean by "The Quran today"? There are 10 different reading traditions with 20 sub-narrations adhered to today. *They are different from one another.* About 500 years ago, yes we more-or-less have the same 10 readers with 2 transmissions each. But go back a little further, to al-Qabāqibī who dies 849 AH/1445 CE *we have fourteen reading traditions, 4 of which have completely fallen out of use.* Go even further back to al-Huḏalī's *al-Kāmil* (he dies 465 AH/1072 CE), and *he has 50 reading traditions, forty of which are no longer in active use. And of the ten the he has, there are countless sub-narrations that are no longer adhered to today.* This problem really only compounds the further you go back. If you include manuscripts from before Ibn Muǧāhid (d. 324/936), you will find countless readings *that do not fit with any of the canonical ten and not even with any of al-Huḏalī's fifty... None of these traditions are in living use, many of them have wordings that are unique to them and no longer present in any of the recited forms of the Quran.* And of course, ultimately, the text of Uthman is a bottleneck for *most* of these traditions. Uthman commissioned his standard text about 20 years after the death of the prophet. *We know for a fact that the companions of the prophet had version of the Quran that differed much, much more than the amount of variation that you find in Uthmanic text. Whole words and phrases replaced and added or reordered, in codices such as those of Ibn Masʿūd and ʾUbayy.*
The interesting thing about Ubay ibn Kaab's 2 extra surahs is Muslim Apologists always say he retracted and accepted the Uthmanic codex yet in the earliest Arabic dictionary it calls the 2 extra surahs - Surah Qunoot! (Qunoot being another name for the 2 extra surahs)
Time after time we see wilful ignorance and invincible stupidity. Hopefully Chris can help the better people to think and free themselves of this cult.
I feel like it would be a good idea for all of the Christian apologists (on line and speakers corner) to get together and address a subject simultaneously and relentlessly for months at a time.
How the qurans were altered to make them look like a miracle: Most Muslims worldwide today-whether Sunni or Shiite- trust the 1924 Quran and consider it the only Quran that has ever existed. To them, it is not only the official Quranic text but also, and more importantly, the exact documentation of the revelations proclaimed by Muhammad in the seventh century, codified by Uthman decades after Muhammad’s death, and transmitted perfectly throughout the fourteen centuries of Islam. The 1924 Cairo Quran is Islam’s scripture; this is the reality. However, critical thinkers must remember how this text reached us. It is hardly a reconstruction of what Muhammad proclaimed. The 1924 Quran is a purpose-designed and manipulated text built on one selected reading that ignored many other legitimate texts that existed throughout Islamic history. We CANNOT be confident in today’s Quran as a true representation of the text that initially appeared in a seventh-century Arabian desert. (Ayman S. Ibrahim, A Concise Guide to the Quran)
These folks are so dishonest when it comes to the variant readings, most Muslims do not have a clue on this topic, those that are aware just regurgitate the rubbish they get fed by these apologists who seem to interchange the words "ahruf" and "qiraat" to intentionally muddy the waters, non of them seem to be aware of the regional variants in the basic skeletal text, even though they have been known by Muslim scholars forever. Probably a typo but the claim is that these variants are complementary and not complimentary, which is problematic in itself, how do you enhance or add to the "perfect word of 'God'" ? He's had an eternity to say exactly what he wanted to say.
They cant abandon perfect preservation or a perfect text because they are stuck with the quran being the verbatim perfect words of allah. Any error or imperfect preservation will mean that its not from allah. If they admit even the slightest mistake then islam falls apart so they have to keep up the facade.
It seems to me islam has hinged so much on the idea of perfect preservation that it's too late to back track. If they say now it isn't perfectly preserved it nullifies the entire theology because the miracle is supposed to be the preservation.
The hadith of hakim and umar that he uses as an excuse, in my opinion, is ridiculous cos that particular hadith proof MO was just teaching whatever pop in his head. Hakim and umar are both quraish, so why teach them different recitation. The only conclusion would be whenever he forgets the previous recitation, he would just come up with a new one, and when the lies caught up, he simply said both were correct. I dont know why ☪️ foundation is on a twist and turn sinking sand. Sahih al-Bukhari 4992
The fact that muslims openly lie and made a recorded video is absolutely hilarious. All this is going to work against them. The more they refute, the more evidence we have to prove the lies. And thank you, Chris, this is going to be gold.
qiirat were a 10th century ad hoc development to try and control the violence over different qurans. It was simply decreed that the 10 most popular versions (out of many more) were now "canonical" even though they differed significantly from each other. It makes a mockery out of the entire idea of a perfectly preserved book. If you believe Uthman had previously standardised the quran to a single version and destroyed all previous texts, then it means variants accumulated from even an original human-standardisation. In reality, the entire 'standard narrative' is a cloud of lies upon more lies.
A diacritical mark is a mark (or a symbol) that is placed above or below a letter in order to determine how a word is supposed to be pronounced. Examples: café, Chloë, façade, and piña. The Quran was originally written in the “skeleton texts” of the Arabic language. The “skeleton texts” of the Arabic language have no diacritical marks - no symbols above or below a letter in order to determine how an Arabic word in the Quran is supposed to be pronounced. Hundreds of years later, Muslims introduced and added diacritical marks (symbols) to the “skeleton texts” of the Uthmanic Quran in order to standardize (or to bring into agreement) how a word in the Uthmanic Arabic Quran is supposed to be pronounced. * We can say with certainty that the Uthmanic Quran, with its new additional diacritical markings, has been changed - changed so much that its original complier, Uthman ibn Affan, son-in-law of Mohammed, will not recognize it. Not only do we not have the entire Uthmanic “skeleton texts” Quran from 7th century, but whatever few - hand full of fragments (pieces) we may have today cannot be read (or understood) without the additions of diacritical marks. * Quran 15:9 reads, “Verily, we (Allah), it is who have sent down the Quran, and surely, we will guard it from corruption.”
@@inquisitivemind007 @123dsj123 and more importantly how will Allah prevent the Quran from being corrupted, when, according to Islam, he revealed the Torah & the Gospel, but they were both corrupted afterwards? why didn't he prevent the corruption of those in the first place?
Ibn Qudaamah said in al-Mughni, 1/186: It may be that what is meant by wiping is washing lightly. Abu ‘Ali al-Faarisi said: The Arabs call a light washing mash (wiping) and say tamassahtu li’l-salaah (literally “I wiped myself for prayer”) meaning I did abolution’.
In which language you have to speak to Muslims for them to understand that the so-called "PERFECT PRESERVATION OF THE QURAN" is A MYTH?! ... Why can't they see it??
They are told this from their imams, and cannot admit they have been lied to. They are also told to 'defend islam' from any criticism. Thirdly, they are told that non-believers are worth less than farm animals, are completely ignorant, and are not to be trusted. The aggression and violence within the cult also plays a part in their responses.
So let me guess.. the different Qurans are distinct but not separate? haha For them it makes no sense when it's Jesus but when it's the Quran it makes perfect logical sense! Edit: Perfect preservation my a$$
How could the Companions have ‘read’ the Koran differently as it wasn’t written down at the time. As well, wouldn’t they all be Quraysh and therefore speak the same dialect?? Just which are the 7 tribes requiring different dialects and ways of saying things? Are they all from the fictitious Mecca and area? The dawah script is pure nonsense, just another thing being debunked. Thanks Chris!🥰✝️
Its weird becouse they accept that the companions of muhammed where reading in diferent ways and still consider revalation to them, but when it comes to the bible they say "why Mathew gospel has geneology and luke gospel dont" and the conclusion they get is that if it is one gospel why Mathew, luke, Mark and Jhon implying that it shouldnt be revealed in this 4 narrations when they have 7 of them. They use a Standard to us but dont appky to them. l
@@inquisitivemind007 yep I found it and it's much easier to deal with than some of the websites I've been using. I've been trying to figure out if there is a pattern to the three attributes that the various surahs mention. There sure are a lot of groupings of three for a religion that denies the Trinity.
I got your video in my front page after your Adnan refuted you completely. It's always funny watching polemicists like you, with no formal education, in any topic, just Googling things. Go look at Quran 9:3, there is a similar conjunction. The "And" in the Wudhu verse has a similar conjunction, where the final and is included in the first part. The meaning does not change. The and is connecting the wash your feet back to the first part, in Arabic.
Diacritical marks did not exist at the time of Mohammed, they were added later by man,making the Quran a man made book and not a god made book. Similarly,the Tafsir/ commentaries/ ahadiths are from the hands of fallible man. Why then if the Quran said to be the verbatim words of Allah, an infallible being,should it be explained by a fallible being?
You said in the beginning the meanings don’t contradict. 8:14 in here. “You wonder” “ I wonder” Meanings don’t contradict. Rather the Quran gives us more info on the story. We say Allah’s POV. And Muhammad’s POV of the situation. No contradiction in the meanings. Now. An overview of these recitations: The differences in the meaning are either a different way of telling the story with extra context, A deeper meaning, and/or a different way of telling a story, Or a different way of saying something. And also each recitation can clarify or explain another. The meanings do NOT contradict each other. All these are revealed from Allah to the prophet.
If a story is spread across the variant readings then fair enough like the story of Gabriel telling Mary that she will expect a child is spread over 2 variant readings 📚 However when you have a direct contradiction: opposite variant readings then there is no good explanation for that whatsoever except that it was a mistake.
"Complimentary" , Muslims can WASH their FEET, but ALSO WIPE over their FEET = "Complimentary" , thus it shows these changes in meaning are from the prophet, and NOT an error.
Could Andrew tate, sneako and others be paid to promote Islam by Saudi Arabia or something? Leveraging influencer marketing to spread their false religion. I'm an apostate btw. But I've noticed a trend here, Bobby's Prespective is another one
I watched some of that yesturday lol I'll watch the rest today. I'm going to start producing similar content as a Bosnian ex-muslim. Sadly, Islam is deeply embedded in Bosnian culture due to the Ottoman rule over the region prior to Austro-Hungerian Empire. And I will start visiting Speakers Corner (from Australia) starting this august, to support Chris and others ✊
muslims back then: "there is only 1 quran everywhere around the world, word for word, letter for letter, sound for sound" muslims today: "every edition, version and variant of the quran is perfectly preserved in allah's Android tablet in paradise" 😆
Don't lie, those problems started in 700-900AD it's not today problems but Muslims were hiding to their people. Only those who made research in Islamic history knew it. Remember most of Muslims are ignorant in their own books, they just memorize what is on front of them without understanding
The Isiah 7:14. In Hebrew say the young virgin woman..( the Jewish Bible says the same , the messianic Bible says the same) And when you read 7:10-15.. It’s the prophecies of a sign the Lord will send. After that it’s talking about something different. Bart Erman came up with it rubbish.
@@Akhgy it’s not rubbish. Why do all bibles say the word virgin this is a mistranslation. The same word of used in proverbs 30 19;20 to refer to an adulterous female
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They will continue to move the goalpost until we end islam. No problem
😂😂 one day surely it'll come to an end !!
😂😂😂😂
Our biggest problem will be reaching those behind the curtain. Western Muslims and privileged others in Muslims countries can access the internet. Those that live a tribal life in Afghanistan and Pakistan will continue it for a long time.
5 pillars of islam:
1. PEDOPHILIA (sura 65.4, Bukhari 5133)
2. MUT’AH MARRIAGE (sura 4.24)
3. HALALA MARRIAGE (sura 2.230)
4. ADULTBREASTFEEDING (Sahih Muslim 8:3425)
5. TAQIYYA (sura 16.106, 3.28, Sahih Bukhari 3:49:857)
Last week a muslim said to me that the variant readings "show the beauty of islam". Even though they opposite things. Read one koran i says "i went to the park" and another "you went to the park". And they say such atlernative readings show koran's beauty. That is a good example of a cult followers mind. Madmen.
Keep up the good work, chris. Weare all very proud of you.
God bless.
This might make sense if people called Christianity a cult as well since it's actually not true and the Bible has actual contradictions that no one can reconcile while the Quran really has none but only what people misunderstand (or make up). There's literally no evidence to support Christianity being from Jesus or God yet people blindly follow it, there are no answers to many questions regarding it (it's a mystery, can't be understood) and believe in a human blood sacrifice. Christians literally worship a man. There is nothing more cultish than that. Let's be honest.
@@mffouzaanmd lol! You're really gonna try that nonsense here!?
@@mffouzaanmddon't lie here 😂
@@mffouzaanmd what?
a sincere advice i would give to you is go see yasir qadhi has to say about 7 ahruf and 10 qiraaat@@carmangib
Chris, you are a living legend in my eyes and as a Kiwi/Ozy I'm super proud of you too. I've been so demoralised with whats happening here in Oz lately with these anti-semetic protests and hatred speeches and I pray we all wake up to what is going on. I am learning so much from you and grateful for your educative vids. Keep it up and stay safe.
What? A Kiwi- Ozzy, that's like saying I am a Dog-Cow. Your either Oz or Kiwi, not both! Shame on you. . . 😅
Hey dufus, 2 parents, 1 from Oz, 1 from NZ and I hold dual citizenship and lived in both countries. Yeah it is possible to be loyal to both countries. So SHAME ON YOU!!!!@@zabdas83
Narrated Abu Hurairs:
Allah's apostle said " The Prophet Abraham circumcised himself after he had passed the age of eighty years and he circumcised himself with an adze."
Did Mohammed circumcise himself after he passed the age of 40...?
Was he at all circumcised after he commanded that all Muslim & men must be circumcised...???
@@peterrego3771 "You will meet Allah barefoot and uncircumcised" is an allusion to the fact that he wasn't circumcised. 😂 😂 😂
@@FromValkyrie Mohd was killed by poison at Khaiber and he went barefoot to meet Satan uncircumcised
As an ex Muslim - the variant Qurans was one of the major reasons I began questioning the claim of the Quran being perfectly preserved. If you really want to shock the Muslims show them the Sana Palimsest manuscripts. These are the oldest known quranic writing and have significant variance compared to the standard text today.
God bless you brother Chris. I love your content. Jesus is Lord 🙏🏻
If you show something they already knew then that's not a shock. What is a shock is something they didn't know like blatant contradictions in the Qiraat.
@@inquisitivemind007
Most of them don’t know about the Sana palimsest
I've been talking with a recent convert to Islam about the variants and the historical context of Quran and it's variants to challenge his notion of "one Quran". I believe he's almost ready to admit he's made a mistake and come back to Christ. Unfortunately like many young men he never really read the Bible as a kid and was vulnerable to the Dawah bro script.
@@matt291 yup! Most Muslims think the variant is just a variant in the accent. It is so not 😂. Yes there are times where it’s just an accent but at other times it is a variation in grammatical constructs and other entirely different words. It’s not preserved.
@@joeshaer777 I've learned quite a bit from Chris, Bob and the others at speakers corner.
Excellent video again. Your videos will also stand the test of time. Valid today and for many years to come, particularly as Muslim's keep being taught "perfect preservation " Keep up The Lords work
Chris I just want to encourage you in saying that that was 100% a great rebuttal, but done in a way that is humble, gentle and in Christ's love and it is so pleasing to see this kind of response... it shows you really care about these people.
Well done and keep it up bro❤
The biggest names are withholding evidence from him, I’d be pissed off !!
Perfect multiple-choice preservation.
Great work Chris exposing this cult
I always ask them to show me Harf #1 vs Harf #2 vs Harf #3 . . . They don't know what the ahruf are.
Just ordered a printed copy of the Bridges Translation. It took me a while because I thought you said the British Translation.
He's posted the link underneath the video.
@@inquisitivemind007 Thanks. I found it. I was listening and not watching when he said it. LOL.
Thank you for your work Chris. Always spoken in the clearest terms. May God continue to bless you and yours 💪✝️
I just love the Muslim mental gymnastic when trying to explain what the Qirat is without using the word version. Oooh it's a reading. Oooh it's "complementary". Oooh it's just a different MODE of transmition.
Love your work Chris. God bless you.
LOL Sneako has heard about different qiraats. GodLogic in America brought this argument to him when he was with Sheikh Uhtman. He even explained how there are different meanings. Did Sneako forget or was he not listening??
8:04 If I remember Sheikh Uthman's response to this was that in Arabic, both you and I can mean 'you'. For example in South Africa, they say 'How is the brother?' when they are talking to you. The same logic applies in the Khalaf qiraat, where it says "I am surprised"
Obviously they don't say that in South Africa and that's not how Arabic works lol.
It's not a bug, it's a feature!
This year is the 100th birthday of the Cairo edition of the Hafs Quran!
one quran says "you", another says "I".
Dawah script: "they are different accents" 🤣🤣🤣
U can't even read the Arabic alphabet but comin around the Quran 😂
@@sayyidelahie9714Is he wrong though?
@@m1self01 dude above is wrong yes
@@sayyidelahie9714 first, the fact that this person may or may not be reading arabic is irrelevant. secondly, why is he wrong?
@@m1self01 U always go back 2 the Arabic 2 get the correct answer also Arabic is not Like English,Arabic has more words by far 1 word can have up 2 7 meanings
My guy Chris doing work
The interesting thing is not so much the variants, but the fact they lie so openly. Immensity damaging for them
37 different Arabic Qur'an's.and and avalanche.
From *"We have always had only One Quran."* to *"These 100+ different Qurans around the world, are the whole Quran."* 🤦♂
Love your videos, style, and your work Chris. Please keep it up man.
In addition to the different Qira’at and Ahrof, there have been 40+ completely different Quranic texts that have been discovered so far. And as an ex-Muslim, I can confirm that we were NEVER told about the different Qira’at, and they do taqiya when they minimize the issue and present it as merely being different accents. And the singular form is Qira’at is Qira’ah!! Qira’at is plural.
And the legend of the creation of the Qira’at’s origin is Mo misremembering the “verses” he “revealed” when he would repeat them the second, third, fourth, etc.. time, and then the people who carried on the cult made up the lie of that those weren’t mistakes but must have been different accents.
I wish the man in the clip towards the end said taqiya and not “lies to children”, but he must have been doing taqiya by phrasing and misrepresenting it like that.
That is a lie everyone knows and recites them because it says the name of the quiraat on the cover of every Arabic Quran …so you are probably a lying Christian like the rest of them.
Muslims always were mocking Christians of different translation, they could take it and show different wording not the meaning. I remember it was like a song, saying that Quran is not changed, even single word or a letter but now after Christian apologists fight back they have started to change the tune
Excellent explanation , Thankyou Chris for your dedicated work . Keep safe. (nb any word about Hatun do you know ?)
Hi there,
As far as I'm aware she's safe and staying out of the public eye for a while to keep a low profile.
@@chrisatspeakerscornerhi Chris, there is an abdul constantly writing "Chris believes in three gods". Can you please get him banned?
Glad you made a response to this
love you clips !
who recites quran is muslim
who understands quran leaves islam.
He says the book confirms the preservation, ok sure, maybe it does, but it doesn't change the fact there are 10 readings, 10 different Qurans
If they were different accents, then why was the question raised at the time? If I wrote something and it was read in a Brummie accent and a London accent, I wouldn't need to point this out to contemporaries...
READING different recitations is the same as reading different versions...pronunciation doesn't change the meaning of the word. In South Africa we write HONOUR, in other parts of the world they write HONOR. The meaning is the same. If you have a recitation saying OWNER and another saying KING, those are different words with different meanings. All the duct tape in creation will not be enough to cover this mess up. What Muslims should be asking themselves is who is responsible for these changes, unless they want to say it's Allah then meaning he is not sure what he wants to say.
[15:91] Those who made the Quran into shreds.
Without lies...
Islam dies!
Great info brother God bless
Thanks Chris. I downloaded the app
*Scholar Marijn van putten doesn't believe the qurans are perfectly preserved:*
What do you mean by "The Quran today"? There are 10 different reading traditions with 20 sub-narrations adhered to today. *They are different from one another.*
About 500 years ago, yes we more-or-less have the same 10 readers with 2 transmissions each.
But go back a little further, to al-Qabāqibī who dies 849 AH/1445 CE *we have fourteen reading traditions, 4 of which have completely fallen out of use.*
Go even further back to al-Huḏalī's *al-Kāmil* (he dies 465 AH/1072 CE), and *he has 50 reading traditions, forty of which are no longer in active use. And of the ten the he has, there are countless sub-narrations that are no longer adhered to today.*
This problem really only compounds the further you go back. If you include manuscripts from before Ibn Muǧāhid (d. 324/936), you will find countless readings *that do not fit with any of the canonical ten and not even with any of al-Huḏalī's fifty... None of these traditions are in living use, many of them have wordings that are unique to them and no longer present in any of the recited forms of the Quran.*
And of course, ultimately, the text of Uthman is a bottleneck for *most* of these traditions. Uthman commissioned his standard text about 20 years after the death of the prophet. *We know for a fact that the companions of the prophet had version of the Quran that differed much, much more than the amount of variation that you find in Uthmanic text. Whole words and phrases replaced and added or reordered, in codices such as those of Ibn Masʿūd and ʾUbayy.*
The interesting thing about Ubay ibn Kaab's 2 extra surahs is Muslim Apologists always say he retracted and accepted the Uthmanic codex yet in the earliest Arabic dictionary it calls the 2 extra surahs - Surah Qunoot! (Qunoot being another name for the 2 extra surahs)
Time after time we see wilful ignorance and invincible stupidity. Hopefully Chris can help the better people to think and free themselves of this cult.
I feel like it would be a good idea for all of the Christian apologists (on line and speakers corner) to get together and address a subject simultaneously and relentlessly for months at a time.
How the qurans were altered to make them look like a miracle:
Most Muslims worldwide today-whether Sunni or Shiite- trust the 1924 Quran and consider it the only Quran that has ever existed. To them, it is not only the official Quranic text but also, and more importantly, the exact documentation of the revelations proclaimed by Muhammad in the seventh century, codified by Uthman decades after Muhammad’s death, and transmitted perfectly throughout the fourteen centuries of Islam. The 1924 Cairo Quran is Islam’s scripture; this is the reality. However, critical thinkers must remember how this text reached us. It is hardly a reconstruction of what Muhammad proclaimed. The 1924 Quran is a purpose-designed and manipulated text built on one selected reading that ignored many other legitimate texts that existed throughout Islamic history. We CANNOT be confident in today’s Quran as a true representation of the text that initially appeared in a seventh-century Arabian desert.
(Ayman S. Ibrahim, A Concise Guide to the Quran)
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Yes, I saw the Soliman Bridges translation lost its footnotes.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander: From now on we are free to point out that any variants in the NT text are just qiraat.
The book on the Golden Plates are perfectly preserved in Heaven.
Pleased i got the app when Chris first mentioned it
This is the year 2024, what was the naration in 2004? Or even 1990s? And what will be the naration in 2030? or even 2040 😂😂😂
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These folks are so dishonest when it comes to the variant readings, most Muslims do not have a clue on this topic, those that are aware just regurgitate the rubbish they get fed by these apologists who seem to interchange the words "ahruf" and "qiraat" to intentionally muddy the waters, non of them seem to be aware of the regional variants in the basic skeletal text, even though they have been known by Muslim scholars forever. Probably a typo but the claim is that these variants are complementary and not complimentary, which is problematic in itself, how do you enhance or add to the "perfect word of 'God'" ? He's had an eternity to say exactly what he wanted to say.
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This is going in circles 🤣
They cant abandon perfect preservation or a perfect text because they are stuck with the quran being the verbatim perfect words of allah. Any error or imperfect preservation will mean that its not from allah. If they admit even the slightest mistake then islam falls apart so they have to keep up the facade.
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I might make a video about this soon.
'reading in different ways 'means different words means different qurans
It seems to me islam has hinged so much on the idea of perfect preservation that it's too late to back track. If they say now it isn't perfectly preserved it nullifies the entire theology because the miracle is supposed to be the preservation.
Also al-Tabari rejected some of those readings that were later selected as being canonical.
Even Ibn Mujāhid criticized some of the canonical readings.
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There were no "canonical" readings before ibn Mujahid and the later selected readings came centuries after him.
The hadith of hakim and umar that he uses as an excuse, in my opinion, is ridiculous cos that particular hadith proof MO was just teaching whatever pop in his head. Hakim and umar are both quraish, so why teach them different recitation. The only conclusion would be whenever he forgets the previous recitation, he would just come up with a new one, and when the lies caught up, he simply said both were correct.
I dont know why ☪️ foundation is on a twist and turn sinking sand.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4992
The fact that muslims openly lie and made a recorded video is absolutely hilarious. All this is going to work against them. The more they refute, the more evidence we have to prove the lies. And thank you, Chris, this is going to be gold.
It's a joke when they say ALL the variants compliment each other. Some of them contradict and are clearly mistakes.
The Quran has been preserved like a cucumber is preserved by pickling. Brined, boiled, canned verses a fresh cucumber.
Marijn van Putten's "Quranic Arabic: From its Hijazi Origins to its Classical Reading Traditions" is a difficult but interesting read.
The best bit is where he says that each reading isn't a pure dialect but a mixture of dialects.
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qiirat were a 10th century ad hoc development to try and control the violence over different qurans. It was simply decreed that the 10 most popular versions (out of many more) were now "canonical" even though they differed significantly from each other. It makes a mockery out of the entire idea of a perfectly preserved book. If you believe Uthman had previously standardised the quran to a single version and destroyed all previous texts, then it means variants accumulated from even an original human-standardisation. In reality, the entire 'standard narrative' is a cloud of lies upon more lies.
A diacritical mark is a mark (or a symbol) that is placed above or below a letter in order to determine how a word is supposed to be pronounced. Examples: café, Chloë, façade, and piña. The Quran was originally written in the “skeleton texts” of the Arabic language. The “skeleton texts” of the Arabic language have no diacritical marks - no symbols above or below a letter in order to determine how an Arabic word in the Quran is supposed to be pronounced. Hundreds of years later, Muslims introduced and added diacritical marks (symbols) to the “skeleton texts” of the Uthmanic Quran in order to standardize (or to bring into agreement) how a word in the Uthmanic Arabic Quran is supposed to be pronounced.
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We can say with certainty that the Uthmanic Quran, with its new additional diacritical markings, has been changed - changed so much that its original complier, Uthman ibn Affan, son-in-law of Mohammed, will not recognize it. Not only do we not have the entire Uthmanic “skeleton texts” Quran from 7th century, but whatever few - hand full of fragments (pieces) we may have today cannot be read (or understood) without the additions of diacritical marks.
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Quran 15:9 reads, “Verily, we (Allah), it is who have sent down the Quran, and surely, we will guard it from corruption.”
Allah will guard it from corruption? So how does Allah explain the contradictions in the readings shown in this video?
@@inquisitivemind007 @123dsj123 and more importantly how will Allah prevent the Quran from being corrupted, when, according to Islam, he revealed the Torah & the Gospel, but they were both corrupted afterwards? why didn't he prevent the corruption of those in the first place?
The Muslim Koran and their alha seem completely confused and the author of confusion / what a surprise??
Ibn Qudaamah said in al-Mughni, 1/186:
It may be that what is meant by wiping is washing lightly. Abu ‘Ali al-Faarisi said: The Arabs call a light washing mash (wiping) and say tamassahtu li’l-salaah (literally “I wiped myself for prayer”) meaning I did abolution’.
What about the other variants that are blatant contradictions and not complements of each other. What's the wisdom behind that?
In which language you have to speak to Muslims for them to understand that the so-called "PERFECT PRESERVATION OF THE QURAN" is A MYTH?! ... Why can't they see it??
They are told this from their imams, and cannot admit they have been lied to. They are also told to 'defend islam' from any criticism. Thirdly, they are told that non-believers are worth less than farm animals, are completely ignorant, and are not to be trusted. The aggression and violence within the cult also plays a part in their responses.
They're still believing their fairytale of ONE quranS😂
MashaAllah! Muhammad is the god of islam.
Wipe and Warsh are indeed quite different.
Chris doesn't know the same word امسحو is translated as both wash and wipe 😂
So let me guess.. the different Qurans are distinct but not separate? haha
For them it makes no sense when it's Jesus but when it's the Quran it makes perfect logical sense!
Edit: Perfect preservation my a$$
How could the Companions have ‘read’ the Koran differently as it wasn’t written down at the time. As well, wouldn’t they all be Quraysh and therefore speak the same dialect?? Just which are the 7 tribes requiring different dialects and ways of saying things? Are they all from the fictitious Mecca and area? The dawah script is pure nonsense, just another thing being debunked. Thanks Chris!🥰✝️
He has heard of it all. He’s lying. God logic told him
Its weird becouse they accept that the companions of muhammed where reading in diferent ways and still consider revalation to them, but when it comes to the bible they say "why Mathew gospel has geneology and luke gospel dont" and the conclusion they get is that if it is one gospel why Mathew, luke, Mark and Jhon implying that it shouldnt be revealed in this 4 narrations when they have 7 of them.
They use a Standard to us but dont appky to them.
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Thanks for this Chris! What wss rhe name of the App that has rhe bridges translation?
Type Bridges translation of Quran and it should come up
@@inquisitivemind007 yep I found it and it's much easier to deal with than some of the websites I've been using. I've been trying to figure out if there is a pattern to the three attributes that the various surahs mention. There sure are a lot of groupings of three for a religion that denies the Trinity.
I got your video in my front page after your Adnan refuted you completely. It's always funny watching polemicists like you, with no formal education, in any topic, just Googling things. Go look at Quran 9:3, there is a similar conjunction. The "And" in the Wudhu verse has a similar conjunction, where the final and is included in the first part. The meaning does not change. The and is connecting the wash your feet back to the first part, in Arabic.
We also see the same grammatical reading in 9:31.
What's your explanation of the blatant contradictions in the two readings of Q10:16?
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the lie was preserved, and the truth can't stay hiding.
Diacritical marks did not exist at the time of Mohammed, they were added later by man,making the Quran a man made book and not a god made book.
Similarly,the Tafsir/ commentaries/ ahadiths are from the hands of fallible man.
Why then if the Quran said to be the verbatim words of Allah, an infallible being,should it be explained by a fallible being?
More importantly, how does a book not ever being changed prove it's from God?
Exactly! There are plenty of early fiction novels that have been preserved "word for word'. It doesn't mean it's not fiction anymore.
You said in the beginning the meanings don’t contradict.
8:14 in here. “You wonder” “ I wonder”
Meanings don’t contradict. Rather the Quran gives us more info on the story. We say Allah’s POV. And Muhammad’s POV of the situation.
No contradiction in the meanings.
Now. An overview of these recitations: The differences in the meaning are either
a different way of telling the story with extra
context, A deeper meaning, and/or a different
way of telling a story, Or a different way of
saying something. And also each recitation
can clarify or explain another. The meanings
do NOT contradict each other.
All these are revealed from Allah to the prophet.
If a story is spread across the variant readings then fair enough like the story of Gabriel telling Mary that she will expect a child is spread over 2 variant readings 📚 However when you have a direct contradiction: opposite variant readings then there is no good explanation for that whatsoever except that it was a mistake.
"Complimentary" , Muslims can WASH their FEET, but ALSO WIPE over their FEET = "Complimentary" , thus it shows these changes in meaning are from the prophet, and NOT an error.
What about the other variants that are blatant contradictions and not complements of each other. What's the explanation of that?
Gbu all
we have 10 qiraat...but it's 1 quran lolz
10 in 1 🤣🤣🤣🤣
1+1+1+1+11+1+1+1+1 = 1 🤣🤣
Keep exposing the lies of clever abduls Chris... Stay blessed
oh so now the goalposts are shifted, keep posting them into oblivion
Could Andrew tate, sneako and others be paid to promote Islam by Saudi Arabia or something? Leveraging influencer marketing to spread their false religion. I'm an apostate btw. But I've noticed a trend here, Bobby's Prespective is another one
Could be but none of them have the guts to face Chris in a debate: check out the video Chris made of Hamza and how that coward ran away!
I watched some of that yesturday lol I'll watch the rest today. I'm going to start producing similar content as a Bosnian ex-muslim.
Sadly, Islam is deeply embedded in Bosnian culture due to the Ottoman rule over the region prior to Austro-Hungerian Empire.
And I will start visiting Speakers Corner (from Australia) starting this august, to support Chris and others ✊
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muslims back then: "there is only 1 quran everywhere around the world, word for word, letter for letter, sound for sound"
muslims today: "every edition, version and variant of the quran is perfectly preserved in allah's Android tablet in paradise" 😆
Don't lie, those problems started in 700-900AD it's not today problems but Muslims were hiding to their people. Only those who made research in Islamic history knew it. Remember most of Muslims are ignorant in their own books, they just memorize what is on front of them without understanding
If Muhammad had two faces, why did he wear the one he did?
Never seen so many panicking muslims .
there are more then 30 different qur`ans
2:37 Christianity will do the same with “it’s a mystery” the hypocrisy 😂
How does that refute the contradictions he has shown in the Qiraat especially the one in Q10:16
The prophet Muhammad saluhulalulalulalulaluhamamlulalulah…… 🤦🏻♂️ I can’t stand that.
Yes the one who has the power: Allah - there is no compulsory honorific for him!
😭 why do bibles in Isaiah 7:14 say the word virgin when that’s not what’s written?
How does that refute the contradictions he has shown in the Qiraat especially the one in Q10:16
The Isiah 7:14. In Hebrew say the young virgin woman..( the Jewish Bible says the same , the messianic Bible says the same)
And when you read 7:10-15..
It’s the prophecies of a sign the Lord will send.
After that it’s talking about something different.
Bart Erman came up with it rubbish.
@@Akhgy it’s not rubbish. Why do all bibles say the word virgin this is a mistranslation. The same word of used in proverbs 30 19;20 to refer to an adulterous female
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The marks are used as a deception by the great deceiver they worship.
companions were reading Qiraat or ahruf?
these people are confused
Qiraat is a combination of ahruf