The Mystery of the Trinity by Pastor Doug Batchelor in English
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- Is the Father only God? Is Jesus a created being? Is the Holy Spirit a person? Get these answer and more with this fascinating look at what the Bible really says about the Trinity.
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“We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ” EGW
All the pioneers were non trinitarians and all came out of trinitarian churches. It has been the Jesuits in Adventist clothing that have brought this satanic doctrine back into Adventism. So glad that God is waking people up to this lie and that’s why all these false pastors are scared and pushing the trinity doctrine to the fullest now.
John 20:22 proves the Holy Spirit is not a living individual " being " but simply put, the life, power and presence of God and Jesus in Their believers lives and hearts
God[Elohim] is: God the Father and the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit which they have always shared, and always will.
Amen! Two heavenly beings, the Father and the Son, and one Spirit that they share and how they live in us. Keep preaching truth!
You're close. "Elohim" also includes us (see Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34) and angels (see Psalm 8:5 and Hebrews 2:7). The Hebrew "elohim" is not equivalent to the English "God," and the Son of God is certainly an "elohim" just as much as are the angels of heaven.
As a bible teacher for the last three decades, I would as, "Do We Serve A Schizophrenic Creator"? NO!!!
Jesus was not talking to Himself when He said, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken Me? Why are you so far from saving Me, from the words of my groaning?" Psalm 22:1
Jesus was also not talking about Himself in the form of two other named beings when He said, "But now I am going away to the One who sent Me, and not one of you is asking where I am going. Instead, you grieve because of what I’ve told you. But in fact, it is best for you that I go away, because if I don’t, the Advocate (Holy Spirit) won’t come. If I do go away, then I will send Him to you. And when He comes, He will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment.
The world’s sin is that it refuses to believe in Me. Righteousness is available because I go to the Father, and you will see Me no more. Judgment will come because the ruler of this world has already been judged.
There is so much more I want to tell you, but you can’t bear it now. When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on His own but will tell you what He has heard. He will tell you about the future. He will bring Me glory by telling you whatever He receives from Me. All that belongs to the Father is mine; this is why I said, ‘The Spirit will tell you whatever He receives from Me." John 16:5-15
No, Jesus never spoke of His Father God or Holy Spirit as they were merely schizophrenic manifestations of His own being as if He suffered from a dissociative identity disorder, but as three equal yet separate entities that make up the Godhead, which can be clearly seen in numerous texts from Genisis through Revelation. Jesus only said things like, "...Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father..." (John 14:9) "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body." Colossians 2:9
"May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." 2 Corinthians 13:14
Ask pastor Doug who breathed his spirit on his disciples! Ask him about Rev 3:20 ( Spirit of Christ in you) Romans 8:9 /Desire of Ages PG #253/ hold these preachers to account for what they are preaching! Ps. Rev 3:21 No third throne!
The Trinity is not biblical
There is NO TRINITY IN THE SCRIPTURES!
Yeah..just like there’s no word Bible in the Bible
They had me praying for 3 spirit until I was like so how come he is the almighty why he need help from 2 more , then it's says one God every where else till the mystery is unlocked, the father is God the son is God the spirit is God i understand it as titles, so i didn't feel baptized because they never said in the name Jesús ..
The spirit of the lord was in the flesh Jesus 🙏
Trinity not there,1 John 5;7- but the materials or composition is there.
@@knowledgetoshare4061Don’t be ignorant. The word Bible is a description of the cover page of all the holy books written by many authors. The word Bible is not doctrine or gospel. However y’all created a false description and doctrine called trinity. All man made and y’all added to the scriptures, which is blasphemy. The Bible refers to the Godhead, not trinity. God doesn’t need to split himself into 3. Utter nonsense. Repent.
Lt 66 April 10 th 1894..." We want the Holy Spirit which is Jesus Christ."
Amen 🙏
Pastor Doug Good has not with Trinity . I am praying that you study the word of God and God will show you the truth ♥️
Body, Mind, Spirit - three separate yet linked entities of our being that affect each other, much like God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate entities yet work harmoniously together, like the marriage of a man and his wife, which are also separate beings yet learn to work as one, depend upon each other, and would be lost one without the other.
We can not dichotomize one part of our being from the other two, for all three aspects are interdependent upon each other, drawing strength or weakness from the whole. Therefore we must learn to live holistically, realizing everything we think, say, or do positively or negatively affects our whole being to one extent or the other.
These three equally important yet separate parts of our being have helped me understand the makeup of the Godhead. Although we struggle to understanding, I firmly believe there is much evidence to support the very old biblical worldview that our Creator is indeed comprised of multiple aspects, despite having a hard time comprehending because of our physical limitations, unlike their spirit inhabitation which is all-powerful, not being limited by time or space.
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave His one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
The trinity doctrine does away with the cross and very very clearly fulfills Ellen's prediction that the omega of apostasy would come and people would receive it.
Just study it's origin you'll see
I don't think Doug realizes that the trinity doctrine does away with the cross. A co-equal God can't die, so we have no savior ans our sins are not cleansed, our debt not paid.
No trinitarian doctrine is explicitly taught in the Old Testament. Sophisticated trinitarians grant this, holding that the doctrine was revealed by God only later, in New Testament times (c. 50-c. 100) and/or in the Patristic era (c.
But we are told it is the omega of apostasy and would be received
Exactly! Trinitarian (and Christian) Dr. Eli, a professor of Biblical languages from Israel Institute of Biblical Studies openly stated during a seminar addressing the Trinity that neither the Old Testament nor the New Testament supports the doctrine. His explanation is that the Trinity doctrine was truth revealed later, just as the truth about slave-holding came later. Whereas Paul instructed the slave to return to his master, today we would emancipate the slave as Christians. Dr. Eli's take on the Trinity was that it was truth understood later in a similar manner.
The fact that even Trinitarians who study the original Biblical text admit it has no support for a Trinity concept speaks volumes. So do Jesus' words to the woman at the well where he taught her to worship "the Father," as the Jews did, saying that the Jews _knew_ whom they worshiped. Have you ever heard of a Trinitarian Jew? Yet Jesus commended the God of the Jews as being the true God.
Yes, the Trinity dogma is part of the omega apostasy which Ellen White foretold. She said that Kellogg's pantheistic ideas, the alpha apostasy, would lead to the omega. What many have not learned from Adventist history is that Kellogg was virtually the first Trinitarian, accepting the Trinity doctrine in the same year in which he had published "The Living Temple" and writing to the General Conference leaders confirming this.
@@user-fd1lj4pn4g thank you for this coment. I appreciate your info. Doug isnt a coward, so i dobt understand why he supports the trinity
Doug says just because the word trinity isn't in the Bible it doesn't mean it's not true. Correct. What about the fact that there isn't 1 single teaching in the Bible that God is 3 persons! There's a clue. What about all the clear contradictions that come with the trinity. Jesus was a man who has a Mother and died just to start things off. We just put it down to a mystery and keep teaching people that you must believe the trinity to be a SDA. Check out the statements of faith of the SDA church. Does truth matter?
Just take humble time to study the scriptures to clear any doubts.
@frankmaoro4287 Yes I agree. I did that many years ago. The cost was high loosing the church I was apart of but the blessings and confidence of knowing and understanding the clear truth of who God is and knowing Jesus the Messiah .
@@vaughnmadsen7966 Now if you call a fundamental mirepresentation a truth you are bearing false witness.
Godliness has a mystery that can not be wholly grasped yet can be accepted in faith. 1 Tim 3:16.
There's only 1 pastor that explains this perfectly but i cannot say here. Everyone else is all over the place with this trinity word.
John 14:18 proves it
The Great Controversy by Ellen white. PG 493 ( Christ the word, the only begotten of God,was one with the eternal father,- one in nature,in character, and in purpose- the (only being in all the universe that could enter into the counsels and purposes of God. Ask pastor Doug about this? If he denies it, tell him to quit being a hypocrite and using her writings just where it suits him.
And Ellen White also wrote: "The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty...." Try reconciling that with Trinitarian dogma!
@@user-fd1lj4pn4g Galatians 4:6 God has sent the spirit of his son into our hearts Crying out ABBA FATHER! UR Right 👍
@@user-fd1lj4pn4g Romans 8:9 spirit of Christ! John 20:22 Spirit of Christ! Rev 3:20 Spirit of Christ!
Mattew 24:36
36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows,neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mattew 23:8-10
8 But be not ye called teachers. for one is your Teacher, even Christ. 9 You are all brothers. And call no man father upon the earth. for one is Father, which is in heaven.10 And be not ye called masters. for one is your Master, even Christ....
“YOU must not let people call you ‘leaders’-you have only one leader, Christ!” (Matthew 23:10, The New Testament) With these words, Jesus made it plain to his followers that no man on earth would be their leader. Their one Leader would be heavenly-Jesus Christ himself. Jesus holds this position by divine appointment..
Jehovah “raised him up from the dead and . . . made him head over all things to the congregation, which is his body.”-Ephesians 1:20-23.
2 Since Christ is “head over all things” with regard to the Christian congregation, he exercises his authority over all that takes place within the congregation. Nothing that occurs within the congregation escapes his notice. He closely observes the spiritual condition of each group of Christians, or congregation. This is clearly apparent in the revelation given to the apostle John at the end of the first century C.E. To seven congregations, Jesus stated five times that he knew their deeds, their strong points, and their weaknesses, and he gave counsel and encouragement accordingly. (Revelation 2:2, 9, 13, 19; 3:1,8,15,17) There is every reason to believe that Christ was equally familiar with the spiritual condition of other congregations in Asia Minor, Palestine, Syria, Babylonia, Greece, Italy, and elsewhere. (Acts 1:8) What of today?
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The Bible very clearly teaches in many passages about the Godhead; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. "Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." Matthew 28:19
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, (Jesus) and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:7
1John5:7 It is well known that the authenticity of this verse has been the subject of much controversy.
This verse appears to have been introduced into the Bible.
In defence of the trinity against the Arians and other heretics,this verse was never cited.
It was noted that this verse was introduced later into the Bible by trinitarians.
@@johndavid3474 and there are many more translations that are simply wrong for so called proof texts about the 3 person god. The good news is that there are more and more people seeing the clear truth of the Bible that the Father alone is God and Jesus is God's appointed Messiah.
@@vaughnmadsen7966 so all the verse in the Bible that give divinity to Jesus is wrong?? 🙄
@@endofdays7708 could you give us a list of the verses and let's have a go explaining them. The Bible clearly teaches Jesus is the son of God, the human Messiah commissioned by God to show us the truth about the Kingdom that is to come and how we can qualify to be included in that Kingdom
Nothing in 1 John 5:7 indicates that there are three Gods. It says they "bear record." But the verse itself is known to have been added, and was not written by John. Ellen White, whom many falsely claim was Trinitarian, never once quoted from 1 John 5:7-8 in her writings. God does not use what is not true, nor mix truth with error, for He is not the author of confusion!
The Adventist church did not accept this Catholic doctrine until the 1980's. The founding leaders of our church had a distinct opinion of where the trinity doctrine came from, look it up. I am absolutely surprised Doug would use 1John 5:7. The Adventist Biblical research Institute says this verse should not be used to support the doctrine of the trinity. God is a spirit, the Bible plainly states this. He sends us HIS spirit. Same for Jesus his begotten son who sends us his spirit and comforter. Ask yourself this, if the Catholic church says the doctrine of the trinity is central to all her other doctrines, Just how biblical can the doctrine be in a church that paganized centuries ago. Keep in mind too that when Christ was begotten by the Father as the Bible says a number of times, he assumed the Fathers traits just like a son does today of his own human father. So of course he is God. He is God the Son. Jesus and the Father are one in nature and one in purpose. But the Holy Spirit is their own spirit.
Officially, yes, it was adopted at the General Conference in Session in 1980 with the 27 Fundamental Beliefs. But the doctrine came in slowly, beginning with Dr. Kellogg, among the first Trinitarians in the church, and making overt entrance in 1931 in an unvoted addition to the Fundamental Principles penned by our pioneers. It continued to build, with revisions of Uriah Smith's book "Thoughts on Daniel and the Revelation" which specifically targeted and removed his non-trinitarian statements (but changed a whole lot more as well--look for "D&R 1897 vs 1944" online to see more).
Make it clear pastor
The God head. What is the God head. Is it 3 person? Is it one person, is it 2 person? 😊. When I read Roman’s 1 verse 20, it have me to reflect back in creation. So let’s look into genesis. Genesis 1:2. Let’s look at the word God here. What it means, also spirit. God אֱלֹהִים. El. Elohim etc. Spirit: רוּחַ, ruach. If we read this carefully with the Hebrew writings, it is not indicating the Holy Spirit as a separate person/ individual as spirit here that moves. Look into it my friends. And the spirit of God/ and the power of God. And the breath of God/ and the nature of God/and the wind of God/ etc. It is not saying the Holy Spirit of God as a separate person who move. 😊 let’s look further down in Genesis. If Roman’s 1:20 talk about creation. Then we must see the God head in creation. Let’s dive. Let us look at his crowing creation. Genesis 1:26. Carefully examine. God said, let US MAKE MAN, in OUR IMAGE, in OUR LIKENESS. Who is God talking to? How many person God speaking to? 😮 if creation week doesn’t say exactly who God speaking to and how many, then, creation itself should at least explain when he/ they are finish creating same place in genesis 1. Let’s look further down. Genesis 1:26-27. Image, likeness. God has dominion. God made man to have dominion on earth. Genesis 1:27. God create man in his own image in the image of God create he him. How many?😮 3? 1? How many person was created in the blue print ? 2. Man. Male and female he create them. God create family, establish the perfect marriage. Both of them. Male and female. I believe this symbolize the God head. Also we have a twin institution. Marriage and the sabbath. Two. We see also Abraham and his son. Two. And the long list goes on. Now the question you may ask me, who is the holy spirit? I would answer with a question, are you sure the holy spirit is a 3rd person separate from the father and son? I know you will jump to John 16. Also the baptism of Jesus. Even though the Bible say he, do you think it’s a 3rd person that actually came ?😮 let’s look in acts 2 when the Holy Ghost came. Verse 4. Was it a person that came? Acts 1:8. 2 Timothy 1:6-7. It is clear to me that the Holy Spirit is associate as power. In other parts. Water. Rain. Oil. Etc. In allot of context things are personalize, refer to as he, yet is not a male or female, or a person. I have one more because this is getting long. Revelation 5:13-14. How many person in the God head every creature worship? 1? 2? Or 3? Check it. The Bible is clear that we must worship God only. Luke 4:8. John 4:24. Exodus 20:1-3. Etc. I am afraid Roman Catholic , Pentecostal, and the long list of denominations within Christianity is commuting idolatry😮. I will study this topic some more prayerfully. But this has been reveal to me this far. No one teach me or anything. It is 2. Not 3. Not 1. I also examine the sanctuary message. Observe sister white writing. She shed little light on the topic. Again. Sister white doesn’t consist all things. This topic is a serious and delicate one. But plz feel free to message me. Thanks😊
Trinitarians like Genesis 1:26, but must, of necessity, look away from the very next verse which clearly addresses a singular God doing the creating. Those who read Hebrew know that verse 26 uses the verb "asah" for "make/fashion/do"--a verb also applicable to others besides God. Verse 27, however, where God actually does the creating, uses the verb "bara"--the same verb as used in Genesis 1:1 and used only for God's creations, never for those of man or others. The Hebrew speaks volumes.
So is Jesus God the father ?
Jesus is not God--the Bible is clear on this. "No man hath seen God at any time" (John 1:18, 1 John 4:12). John had seen Jesus. However, Jesus came in his Father's name--see John 5:43--and Jesus spoke the Father's words--see John 14:10; 12:49; etc.
Jesus is God the Son or Son of God (Heavenly Father). Jesus is also referred to as the Father of all things as he created the heavens and the earth and all things in it, but Jesus is NOT HEAVENLY FATHER. Colossians 1:16.
Read the first 10 sites of the desire of ages and you know, that Jesus is god.
He’s the Son of the living God and, therefore, he’s divine just like His Father.
Matthew 16:16 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the SON OF THE LIVING GOD.”
The beginning of the 2nd Fundamental Principle of the Pioneers reads this way:
#2 That there is one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Eternal Father.
That sounds scriptural to me but it’s not in harmony with today’s corporate SDA Church. They both can’t be right so which one is wrong, the historical or corporate SDA Church?
Samuel, brother, please study this out. Go to the archives of the corporate church and you’ll see the published Fundamental Principles in the Yearbook years of 1889, 1905, 1909, 1913 and 1914 which was the last full calendar year in the life of EGW. I am willing to study this out with you if you’d like. Blessings.
If you read the chapter in Desire of Ages on the baptism of Christ, you will know that Jesus was God's Son, and that the Father and the Son are the only two beings of significance in that scene. The "dovelike" form is never connected, anywhere in Ellen White's writings, with the Spirit. She says it was a manifestation of the Father's glory, direct from His throne, and an "emblem." Beings are not emblems.
Marvelous study. God bless you.
Amen
The word trinity is from the Catholics, it's GODHEAD
God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are a mystery to us mere mortals who cannot comprehend how three entities can be referred to as one. We cannot even understand how God can have a son, for to us that would mean Jesus would have a mother, yet apart from the mother of his human body, Mary, he does not. So understanding the Godhead is very difficult for us, yet it is very clearly talked about throughout holy scripture, which this video series discusses in detail.
I am failing to understand why you want us believe your explanation of God yet you are calling it a mystery. I remain to say no trinity doctrine in the bible.
If God's identity were at all a mystery, or if there were some other true God beside the "him" referenced in the First Commandment, we should be excused for not keeping it. The truth is, God is singular throughout the Bible. Worshiping any other god besides the true God is idolatry or spiritualism. Jesus said the Father was "the only true God" (John 17:1-3) and both _his_ God and _our_ God (John 20:17).
"And a voice from heaven (God) said, 'This is my dearly loved Son, who brings Me great joy.' Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted there by the devil." Matthew 3:17, 4:1
"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right." 2 Timothy 3:16
You have thus far presented not a single bible passage to support your belief, whereas I have posted several that very clearly represent the three entities of the Godhead, in some cases spoken about from Jesus' own mouth. So like you, I too am a trained investigator that follows facts not feelings, hearsay, tradition, culture, church teachings, etc.
Therefore, unless and until the texts I presented, along with hundreds of others I could have presented are reasonably explained away, I will continue to follow the weight of evidence, which are the clear teachings from God's Holy Word the bible.
"Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ. For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body." Colossians 2:8-9
1cor 8:6
Since you referenced Matthew 4:1, which addresses Jesus being led into the wilderness to be tempted, you might like to know that the Bible teaches that God _cannot_ be tempted. "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man" (James 1:13). Was Jesus tempted? If you admit that he was, then you must also accept that either he was not God or that you do not believe the whole Bible.
"Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out by the world’s Redeemer." The Desire of Ages, p.671
"Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." Matthew 28:19
"There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit- those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized." Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905)
"Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent Son of God. . . . In speaking of his pre-existence, Christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God." Signs of the Times, Aug. 29, 1900
"The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” Manuscript 20, 1906.
"The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty...." -- Ellen White.
This wolf will quote Ellen g white when it suits his purposes. Make no mistake the trinity is the same God that the papacy worships. The same papacy that the 7-Day Adventist Church has believed for decades is the of the Antichrist spirit. This is what she said about the papacy and the 7-Day Adventist Church. In her writings in The Sign of The Times dated February-19th-1894 she said; it is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the papacy. This man is deceived or totally sold out to Satan. Mark him and avoid him or suffer the same fate that he will before The Almighty God!!