"There was a lot of thermal paste, I must say..." :) Well, you took good care of that, Adam! I, however, have not re-applied the paste in my AL-4L-V2 N305 . . . it runs well (quite low thermals) with whatever was applied in Guangdong. Thank you for documenting your process ;)
@@pixelsafoison The second chip is the chipset. This has been a standard thing on laptops for ages. It doesn't have CPU divided, with IMC and cores on separate chips, as AMD does.
You mean that some BIOSes can support over 16Gigs?! - I wouldn't have gone with a soldered-on 16Gb LPDDR5 N100 mini PC as my low-power proxmox server had I known that x). Meh, no matter what, these tiny N100 machines are amazing at what they do. 6W TDP, running a dozen active LXCs including my local subnet (got a dual 2.5g model), 2 VMs and being the quietest and least energy-hungry piece of equipment on my desk while having more than enough ressources to spare (running it at 25% capacity on average). Hell, even my wifi AP is using more power... Should anyone be watching this to check out if N100s are worth it: hell yeah.
Yes, built with 1TB ssd and 32GB RAM, it feels like you don't need to care about how many resources you are assigning in Proxmox :) Soon (4.02) I will upload video regarding power consumption and powering it using POE splitters (I tested few of them), because it idles at around 6-7W... But keep in mind that you need a latest unit with latest BIOS. On cwwk site you can buy it with 32GB ram, so their latest BIOS supports 32GB and I got mine with pretty new bios (november), older might not (I remember to my desktop PC bios updates with 48GB support).
Hello I am fairly new this whole tech space. I am thinking of adding external fans. Would a intake on the bottom be good or a exhaust on top of the heatsink be good? Or what config would be best when adding external fans in your opinion?
There is PWM FAN header inside. Out of the box you will get 5v fan which you put on the top and it will be fine. I saw people were adding fan inside the casing (30x30 or 40x40) and it will still work because case has mounting holes for fan. Best and enough be something quiet on the top, but if you don't like how it will look, smaller fan inside would be good too (pointing air up, cooling SSD and mobo from down) This thing is so energy efficient that it needs just anything extra
It really depens on what you will do on windows, its heavy... If you want to have standard native windows experience, I would bet it won't be possible. If installed only for example spotify player with external sound card + windows only drivers, I would give it a try ;)
To Poland about 2 weeks, pretty fast. I was thinking about follow up video, soon - I hope in 1-2 months after i finish adding new things to my home assistant (works great so far). any special questions/topics what I could include in a follow up video?
@@user-ry3ou4qc5p I have tried both and finally went with opnsense, I have PPPoE glass fiber->ont-> 2000upload and 600 download, Assigned 2 cores, and 2 cores are utilized, the key is to assign virtual network bridges (LAN and WAN) and more than 1 core will be utilized. I'm getting about 2100/600 without any problem, I was worrying about it too ;) Will do soon video what I have set there and how its running (spoiler, its fine :p)
@@user-ry3ou4qc5p I have kept both VMs configured and got pfsense for emergency. I have started with 0 knowledge about each one, just saw pfsense in my company maybe twice. Opnsense because: - pfsense changed their plus license to be paid now (even it doesn't affect me, shame on them.) - opnsense has better UI - I heard something about bugs in unbound in pfsense which is my priority feature (adblocking, recursive dns server) - I feel like updates are more frequent in opnsense There are not much differences, just opnsense was nicer to me (setuping PPPoE is tricky on both...)
They are advertised as 3.2 (10gbps). root@Proxmox:~# lsusb -t /: Bus 04.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/4p, 10000M /: Bus 03.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/12p, 480M |__ Port 2: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Vendor Specific Class, Driver=usbfs, 12M /: Bus 02.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/2p, 20000M/x2 /: Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/1p, 480M root@Proxmox:~# lsusb -v | grep -i bcdusb bcdUSB 3.10 bcdUSB 2.00 bcdUSB 2.00 bcdUSB 3.10 bcdUSB 2.00 I don't have way to test it, I have just connected zigbee coordinator
@@HobbyWithAdam thank you. there is a 4-nic version of this from the same producer that can also hold 4 nvm.e drives via a 1-to-4 adapter, but all the usb ports on that are usb 2, 480mbps. i think this is a better choice. (:
@@BurhanIrmikci I didn't need 4-nic version because good approach is to just have WAN and LAN, software bridges are bad. 4 nvmes with reduced speed, yes, you could do ZFS pool and forget about ssd wear, I just put 1TB ssd wich 600TB TBW and I think I'm still safe. But note 4 nvme power consumption comparing to one. this 2 port version with one drive idles at about 7W :)
@@HobbyWithAdam sure, this one is smaller and enough for most needs. i was just thinking how it would be to use a single device for router, transcoding, homelab servers, and *an all-ssd silent* nas. (: the product you have reviewed in this video has a development version with the same spec which can also be expanded using an 1-to-4 m.2 adapter, but that one needs a fan since it doesn't have a huge heatsink like this one. sigh! gonna make up my mind later, apparently. (:
@@BurhanIrmikci few things that might help you: I have added 100x100x25mm heatsink on the top and it's running passively, random (from now, everything running, idle)sensor readout: root@Proxmox:~# sensors coretemp-isa-0000 Adapter: ISA adapter Package id 0: +43.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C) Core 0: +40.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C) Core 1: +40.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C) Core 2: +40.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C) Core 3: +40.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C) acpitz-acpi-0 Adapter: ACPI interface temp1: +27.8°C (crit = +110.0°C) nvme-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter Composite: +47.9°C (low = -273.1°C, high = +81.8°C) (crit = +84.8°C) Sensor 1: +47.9°C (low = -273.1°C, high = +65261.8°C) Sensor 2: +49.9°C (low = -273.1°C, high = +65261.8°C) without heatsink CPU has about 48°C and last two sensors (1 and 2) has 53°C and 57°C Already I have on single device: proxmox with unifi controller, home assistant, opnsense if cwwk will fail i lose: - internet connection (firewall) - home assistant: light control, TRV (heating), a lot of automated stuff And at this moment Im afraid because I have very big single point failure, relying on chinese mini pc... I'm about to buy second n100 device just to have backup device in case of anything... thunder etc.. And you have ideas to put there NAS etc... It will work, but think if it will fail... Another thing, want safe NAS? make it offline-like, I just have few external SSDs with encryption and I'm sure that my photos etc are secure.
"There was a lot of thermal paste, I must say..."
:)
Well, you took good care of that, Adam!
I, however, have not re-applied the paste in my AL-4L-V2 N305 . . . it runs well (quite low thermals) with whatever was applied in Guangdong.
Thank you for documenting your process ;)
Didn't expect a chiplet design - remember when intel was ripping on AMD for doing exactly what they are now replicating? :'p
@@pixelsafoison The second chip is the chipset. This has been a standard thing on laptops for ages. It doesn't have CPU divided, with IMC and cores on separate chips, as AMD does.
You mean that some BIOSes can support over 16Gigs?! - I wouldn't have gone with a soldered-on 16Gb LPDDR5 N100 mini PC as my low-power proxmox server had I known that x).
Meh, no matter what, these tiny N100 machines are amazing at what they do. 6W TDP, running a dozen active LXCs including my local subnet (got a dual 2.5g model), 2 VMs and being the quietest and least energy-hungry piece of equipment on my desk while having more than enough ressources to spare (running it at 25% capacity on average). Hell, even my wifi AP is using more power...
Should anyone be watching this to check out if N100s are worth it: hell yeah.
Yes, built with 1TB ssd and 32GB RAM, it feels like you don't need to care about how many resources you are assigning in Proxmox :)
Soon (4.02) I will upload video regarding power consumption and powering it using POE splitters (I tested few of them), because it idles at around 6-7W...
But keep in mind that you need a latest unit with latest BIOS. On cwwk site you can buy it with 32GB ram, so their latest BIOS supports 32GB and I got mine with pretty new bios (november), older might not (I remember to my desktop PC bios updates with 48GB support).
0:15 that's what she said
applying a new thermal paste directly to the paint layer, being too lazy to remove the paint, is a dubious solution
Can you please share a link where this can be purchased? thanks a lot in advance...
cwwk.net/
Hello I am fairly new this whole tech space. I am thinking of adding external fans. Would a intake on the bottom be good or a exhaust on top of the heatsink be good? Or what config would be best when adding external fans in your opinion?
There is PWM FAN header inside.
Out of the box you will get 5v fan which you put on the top and it will be fine.
I saw people were adding fan inside the casing (30x30 or 40x40) and it will still work because case has mounting holes for fan.
Best and enough be something quiet on the top, but if you don't like how it will look, smaller fan inside would be good too (pointing air up, cooling SSD and mobo from down)
This thing is so energy efficient that it needs just anything extra
Can I run windows 10 + home assistant (basic use) with proxmox im n100 16gb? What do you think?
It really depens on what you will do on windows, its heavy... If you want to have standard native windows experience, I would bet it won't be possible. If installed only for example spotify player with external sound card + windows only drivers, I would give it a try ;)
Is there a way to remove the annoying beep when restarting ?
by removing buzzer :)
or you can cover it with sticker
No idea, I'm running it 24/7
Hi how long did it take to arrive? And when will you do a follow up video?
To Poland about 2 weeks, pretty fast.
I was thinking about follow up video, soon - I hope in 1-2 months after i finish adding new things to my home assistant (works great so far).
any special questions/topics what I could include in a follow up video?
Would be nice if you try out pfsense. And test speeds.@@HobbyWithAdam
@@user-ry3ou4qc5p I have tried both and finally went with opnsense, I have PPPoE glass fiber->ont-> 2000upload and 600 download,
Assigned 2 cores, and 2 cores are utilized, the key is to assign virtual network bridges (LAN and WAN) and more than 1 core will be utilized.
I'm getting about 2100/600 without any problem, I was worrying about it too ;)
Will do soon video what I have set there and how its running (spoiler, its fine :p)
@@HobbyWithAdamWas there any issues with pfsense or you just prefer opnsense?
@@user-ry3ou4qc5p I have kept both VMs configured and got pfsense for emergency.
I have started with 0 knowledge about each one, just saw pfsense in my company maybe twice.
Opnsense because:
- pfsense changed their plus license to be paid now (even it doesn't affect me, shame on them.)
- opnsense has better UI
- I heard something about bugs in unbound in pfsense which is my priority feature (adblocking, recursive dns server)
- I feel like updates are more frequent in opnsense
There are not much differences, just opnsense was nicer to me (setuping PPPoE is tricky on both...)
Can you fit a 2.5" SSD inside the case?
Absolutely no way
are the front usb ports 3.2 gen2, 10 gbps; or are they just 5 gbps?
They are advertised as 3.2 (10gbps).
root@Proxmox:~# lsusb -t
/: Bus 04.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/4p, 10000M
/: Bus 03.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/12p, 480M
|__ Port 2: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Vendor Specific Class, Driver=usbfs, 12M
/: Bus 02.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/2p, 20000M/x2
/: Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/1p, 480M
root@Proxmox:~# lsusb -v | grep -i bcdusb
bcdUSB 3.10
bcdUSB 2.00
bcdUSB 2.00
bcdUSB 3.10
bcdUSB 2.00
I don't have way to test it, I have just connected zigbee coordinator
@@HobbyWithAdam thank you. there is a 4-nic version of this from the same producer that can also hold 4 nvm.e drives via a 1-to-4 adapter, but all the usb ports on that are usb 2, 480mbps. i think this is a better choice. (:
@@BurhanIrmikci I didn't need 4-nic version because good approach is to just have WAN and LAN, software bridges are bad.
4 nvmes with reduced speed, yes, you could do ZFS pool and forget about ssd wear, I just put 1TB ssd wich 600TB TBW and I think I'm still safe.
But note 4 nvme power consumption comparing to one.
this 2 port version with one drive idles at about 7W :)
@@HobbyWithAdam sure, this one is smaller and enough for most needs. i was just thinking how it would be to use a single device for router, transcoding, homelab servers, and *an all-ssd silent* nas. (: the product you have reviewed in this video has a development version with the same spec which can also be expanded using an 1-to-4 m.2 adapter, but that one needs a fan since it doesn't have a huge heatsink like this one. sigh! gonna make up my mind later, apparently. (:
@@BurhanIrmikci few things that might help you:
I have added 100x100x25mm heatsink on the top and it's running passively, random (from now, everything running, idle)sensor readout:
root@Proxmox:~# sensors
coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Package id 0: +43.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 0: +40.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1: +40.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 2: +40.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 3: +40.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
acpitz-acpi-0
Adapter: ACPI interface
temp1: +27.8°C (crit = +110.0°C)
nvme-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
Composite: +47.9°C (low = -273.1°C, high = +81.8°C)
(crit = +84.8°C)
Sensor 1: +47.9°C (low = -273.1°C, high = +65261.8°C)
Sensor 2: +49.9°C (low = -273.1°C, high = +65261.8°C)
without heatsink CPU has about 48°C and last two sensors (1 and 2) has 53°C and 57°C
Already I have on single device:
proxmox with unifi controller, home assistant, opnsense
if cwwk will fail i lose:
- internet connection (firewall)
- home assistant: light control, TRV (heating), a lot of automated stuff
And at this moment Im afraid because I have very big single point failure, relying on chinese mini pc...
I'm about to buy second n100 device just to have backup device in case of anything... thunder etc..
And you have ideas to put there NAS etc...
It will work, but think if it will fail...
Another thing, want safe NAS? make it offline-like, I just have few external SSDs with encryption and I'm sure that my photos etc are secure.
What SSD did you install ?
Samsung 980 pro to max out PCIE 3.0 and let it run cooler, with be quiet heatsink
I see that there is the MC1 and MC1 PRO with 3mm difference in height. Will the MC1 PRO fit in the case ? thank you @@HobbyWithAdam
MC1 PRO, it fits leaving just about one hair sized gap between the heatsink and the lid :)@@adamfox6529
did you also replace the original fan with a bequiet fan ?@@HobbyWithAdam
I'm using it passively, installed additional 100x100x25 heatsink on top and I'm fine with temps :)@@adamfox6529
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