I think best you could do is finding an adapter for PCIe with already included power lines for separate power brick, and make the pc in a way the gpu card gets out from the case in transversal position while combining with i9 9900T. I would like to see how it would perform in that way
This is basically the same as the Lenovo M720q/M920x pcs! they all feature a 8x slot, which is very rad in my opinion. Also this can be noticed by the Lenovo OEM logo on the PCB, nice >:] BTW the Lenovo ones are pretty inexpensive so anyone could recreate this!
The CPU seems to be giving way for the GPU to use up all the powerbudget. Notice the cpu racing to reach 800mhz a large portion of the time. I suggest that you try to run Throttlestop to force the CPU to clock higher and or increase its TDP limits which might be artificially limited by the motherboard since it detects a 70w GPU in the main pcie slot.
That sounds like a fantastic mini pc to for lan parties at friend's houses with the smaller power brick (Lenovo has a middle ground between 135W and 300W, 180W)
Sadly, since lenovo has locked the bios pretty hard on this model, you cannot enable resizeable BAR or above 4g decoding, so any intel arc cards are out of the picture.
NECs are pretty cool, I think they are actually just rebadged Lenovos but beige instead. Now if they made rebadged Thinkpad in beige, I am drooling already
3:53 Taking a look at the 8500T datasheet, It only has 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes which can be either 1x16, 2x8 or 1x8+2x4. This motherboard is probably configured for the latter with a possible configuration where that SSD2 section is populated by another NVME slot which can operate at x4. Though the B360 controller in this board also offers 11 more PCIe 3.0 lanes. 12:32 Considering the extra height added by the A2000 shroud, it looks like there's plenty of space for the 2.5 SSD to go in there over the CPU heatsink.
Thanks for your information. About adding 2.5 SSD into the extra space, I also considered. The difficulty is I might need another longer SATA flex cable to route from under the GPU which is not easy to find. Moreover, the space above the cpu shroud, especially near the rear exhaust, has high temperature. Thus I thought it wouldn't worth it. Just use an M2 SSD with suitable amount of space, and use external SSD via USB 3.0 if needed is good enough and more simple.
The problem is not the space itself but getting a specific flex cable that both sends power and data. Lenovo has their own one used here and it is very short
@@Karti200 That's just a regular flex cable which combines SATA and the smaller SATA power into a cable which terminates into a regular SATA one on the other side. Those are common on laptops. when you don't want a round cable and a vertical connector on the board. Some adapters even have a removable flex on the drive side so you can procure a longer one just in case.
Hi! I'm making a very similar project but the STL files you shared are SLIGHTLY too short (like by 1cm) - could you please share the originals with us, so I can edit them myself? Thank you!!!
Can you do an updated video after u install throttlestop and disabling the bd protocol. I want to see how much better the a2000 performs. This is an ideal future upgrade path for me from a T1000. Thanks
The NEC version in off-white (it's not quite beige, not quite white) looks better than the Lenovo. Shame it's already hard to find low-watt GPUs for this as-is, let alone in off-white. Edit: You may get better GPU performance out of a T1000 8gb instead, as the performance loss with the watt limit being so tight means some CUDA cores aren't behaving themselves.
It is most definitely a Lenovo. I had 5 of the M720p and a P320 model. I still am a little miffed the RX6400 did not want to go in mine with the stock heatsink. I had the Quadro P620 and P600 versions. I am sure you can just order the Lenovo part numbers FRU 01AJ940 for the PCIe slot.
Hi, you can try to deactivate two core from the bios. The remaining four core can boost higher with the limited 35w tdp. I tried this method on a similar Dell with the i5 10500. Very well made video!
Will have to try your model with mine P330 Tiny. It is literally M720Q / M920Q but with beefier cooler (whole cooper one) and 2x NVMe slots instead of one currently having i7-8700T and RX 6400 inside of it
Nice mini PC to bad is held back by the CPU limited wattage; because of this up grading it won't do much because of that limitation, it would be awesome if some how the UFFI Bios can be patch so it can be adjusted.
The Sparkle A310 ECO has a max draw of 50W and is actually low profile and doesn’t have a Chungus of a Heat shield Incase someone doesn’t want to mod the case with 3D printing
Another good way to improve it would be to limit the fps to 30, and use the "Lossless Scaling" application to double or triple the fps with its frame generation
This pc throttles the cpu quite fast, eaven when it's "cold". You can change that behavior with throttlestop. There you can desable DB Prochot, which will remove the stutter. You can see that behavior on the video. When you experience stutter the cpu is using 5w, instead of 30w or 35w.
Lenovo has graphics card with m720q with 4 Mini Display Output, you can purchease official from taobao, otherwise heatsink of A2000 extremely huge, If can swap or replace. It should good to go.
Lol, maybe room for GaN PSU inside on top of CPU side? Put AC power jack on back? Or DC DC supply? Possible option stack MosFETs in PCIe power circuit and shunt mod?
It doesn't make much sense if you can't feed GPU with enough power it requires. Even regular desktop motherboards can only provide up to 75W via PCIe. I suggest you get a different GPU with external power input. I have a tiny micro-ITX build and I bought AMD FirePro W7100 8GB GPU for it due to its slim form factor (1 slot). Great video after all!
Sick modifications to the mini pc. Bit unfortunate with power limits, handicapping the a2000's performance. Have you considered other low profile gpu's?
nice video! cool project! I think you shouyld check why the CPU is at 800mhz most of the time! try installing a piece of software called Throttlestop (set multiplier and modulation to the max and disable DB protocol) and you'll get a great boost in fps for sure!
@@GodSaveTheUnitedStates yes, i know, but 800mhz is the bottom power state and it should not be used during gaming by the cpu, that's why i suggest using throttlestop to avoid the cpu to stay in that particular power state. (you can set the minimum frequency to be way much higher, even with T models)
I was going to suggest the same thing. I've got the same lenovo m720q. I installed a T1000 gpu in it and was having the same issues using the gpu. The cpu limits the power to 800mhz hence its not working at full capacity. To fix install throttlestop to disable bd protocol. You will notice a boost in speed
Thanks for your comment. I think it’s easy to outsourcing the 3D printing parts anywhere these days. It’s popular. I also really want a factory ship mini PC compatible with the RTX A2000. Honestly, homemade 3D printing is just a workaround. Can’t beat factory production. BTW, I did some improvement in performance for this pc in my latest video. Check it out.
This is awesome, I am thinking of getting an M720Q and using an RX 6400, get the lid of a P330 as it has the same mounting points and has the ventilation for both the CPU and GPU too. Would make for a living room sized Steam Machine.
i think for that kind of performance unless you have specific need for quicksync and cuda i would get a ryzen apu which is usually smaller and even more efficient
I don't understand why the use of GPU is so low and also FPS, something is wrong with the setup, I'm not sure, but maybe the slot Pcie will be 1x or similiar, something in the bios and power supply
Thanks for your information. The power brick I use in the video is 300W model already so it's not the root cause. Btw I managed to make it perform as it should in the latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Nicee! I have a ThinkCentre m720q tiny which is really similar running as a home media server :) This CPU is very good at decoding/encoding videos seamlessly :D
I will take a look at your keyword. BTW I managed to make it performs as it should without any further mod in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Thanks. As I guessed and as others have pointed out, it's just a Lenevo Tiny rebanded. So it's could be easiy found if you search for Lenovo Tiny instead.
100% identical to lenovo Thinkcetre M720Q (M920Q newer) all port even all component inside layout, suported 8gen and 9gen intel cpu.. whos OEM building it and slaping NEC/Lenovo brand..
I have done this with 2 P330's ( 8700T & 9700T ) Tiny's. Both have a GTX1070 8GB connected with a riser cable. They were just collecting dust haha. I'm also using a Dell DA-2 for external power ( 6+2). Zero issues with everything maxed out in Afterburner. The GPU is on a metal stand designed to go into PC case. The stand was 12$ and is all metal with magnets on the bottom. I'm considering mounting both PC's ( one on each side ) of an open-air vertical mount test bench. The one that is vertical and had a handle. They are like 30$ on Amazon. I use them for my testing and VM's. Sometimes I'll use the one to capture / record my 4K 60 Microscope Camera in OBS to take a load from my desktop. These are awesome and I had everything just laying around so why not tinker.
Thanks for the video! The specs alone will make this an excellent retrogaming machine! From my experience with Lenovo mini-PCs, the BIOS settings need a little tweeking to accommodate the speedy RAM and the addition of the GPU.
@thinhdora Thanks. I wanted to ask you for it as well. I've got a m720q + T1000 gpu. This will be good if I want to upgrade the gpu in the future. P.s make sure u download and install throttlestop and disable bd protocol. I had the same performance issues as you until I figured it out. Cpu is only working at 800mhz with gpu install hence low performance. Once u disable it, it will run at full speeds. It's very easy to download and install
My local goodwill had those HP mini Pcs that you had for $75. I chose not to get it and went with a SFF dell OptiPlex for the same price. I put in an RX 6400 and it pairs very well with the i5 8500. It's not as small, but it's a good comprise between power and size. I would be bummed out if i had your combination, that CPU is really holding back the A2000. Super cool 3d print, looks professional.
Thanks for your comment. I have a couple of HP Prodesk mini too and used to have an Optiplex micro too, all of them are enterprise grade hardware and serve me well. I love them too. BTW, I did some performance improvement for this machine in my latest video. Check it out!
This may sound crazy but hear me out. RTX 4060 low profile exists. Yes, it draws 50% more power than the A2000 BUT it's much more powerful than the A2000, close to double the performance. If you manage to undervolt it enough it should still deliver better performance that the undervolted A2000. 4060 is also half the price of a A2000 at least where I live.
Thanks very much for your tip. I love the 4060 LP too but unfortunately it costs as much as the A2000 here in Japan, and hard to find on the used market. BTW I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Really nice mode. I have the exact nec pc model and i wondered if the pcie slot can be used with a graphic card. Do u know if there any 1 slot graphic card that fit without moding the case?
If you don’t want to mod, pay attention to the IO bracket. Factory fit models I know are Nvidia P and T series, they share the same IO bracket, and they have dedicated bracket from Lenevo. Other single slot models like RX 6400 LP technically work too but I’m not sure if the general purposed bracket at 11:11 fits.
Just a few weeks ago, I decided to buy a 1lt Mini PC of this type. I chose a Refurbished HP Elitedesk 705 G5 with Ryzen 5 Pro 3400g at 65w. After 3 days the SSD I came with died and I had to buy another one, not to mention that as a precaution I also changed the RAM for a pair in Dual Channel in addition to changing the Thermal Paste for an Artic one. Fortunately, restoring the system was easy thanks to the HP Bios, which curiously is also its Achilles heel by not having any advanced configuration for either OC or UV. I highlight the latter due to temperature issues since it does heat up somewhat when the TDP exceeds 50w. I have been doing tests and removing the Cover, lowering the temperature by about 7-9°C which gives me a slight margin to handle a little more than 55w TDP and, therefore, a little more FPS. In performance, except for temperature, it is equal to the Stock R5 3400g Desktop, and Vega 11 still works for play in HD +30fps... Honestly, for the price I paid in total, which was about 240dlls with everything and the emergency extras, I consider myself well served. Thanks to your video I made the decision to cancel my project of installing an NVME egpu and it would be better keep playing at 30s HD and save up for a Mini ITX computer with a LP GCard. I am worried about investing more in the Elitedesk and not getting all the potential out of it (or other piece crash...) But your project looks awesome and i hope you can improve the performance very soon. Greetings... Thanks for the information and explanation...
Glad you enjoyed. I have a couple of HP mini pc too (Prodesk lineup) before I found this one and I love them too. Btw, if you have time, you can check the latest video. I managed to gain more performance with a simple app. Don’t need any further tweaking like overclock and undervolt.
I also have that NEC computer and i have added a nvidia P620.. I love you 3D printed case extension. But just an idea. If you make it look like a mini IBM 5150, XT or AT... It would be really cool. Since the proportions after the extension is not too far off, the cream/beige color of the NEC is pretty close too. Thanks for the video
The power supply limits you from utilizing each full CPU and GPU performance. I would aquire a 180W Lenovo one and you will see no issues and don‘t need adjustments.
Other option: Clevo P750 or P770, Dsanke BIOS and QTJ1 CPU. RTX3080 MXM. 30x series heatsink from TaoBao. Cost: 8700k 32GB Clevo P750TM1 $270. MXM 3080 16GB MXM $315. Heatsink $91 + shipping ~$40. QTJ1 CPU (optional) $70. Speed? Very quick. Currently waiting for the heatsink*, but even at 80w TDP (down from 165w) it is faster than old 1070. The 1070 MXM is actually faster than the desktop 1070!?!? But the MXM 3080 is more alike Desktop 3070. * I was able to cut 3 corners off the original 10x GPU heatsink and drill new holes to mount it. But it is not ideal. New heatsink has water+air cooling option for $20 more, but I did not order that option.
Back in the days of the 1st gen Intel Atom, I paired an Atom 330 with (I think) a 9600GT, but there was a minimum CPU clock requirement, so I had to overclock the Atom to something like 2.2ghz in order to get it to boot, but it worked fairly well for the time period. I also experimented later using a discrete 9500 card (The GPU component of the Atom 330 was based on a GeForce 9500) and it did perform a bit better than the onboard graphics. Kind of the inverse of the clock speed problem you had here.
This is a very interesting build! I am curious about using the internal PCIe slot for Oculink for an eGPU instead of trying to graft on an internal GPU. Would that be an option? Perhaps have a very small PC power supply where you create the output for the existing PC as well as enough for the e-GPU and any PCIe power it wanted? I generally would agree with the ARC cards for value here although this might also let you run the A2000 at full speed. I'm looking at all these kinds of builds thinking of putting together a "Steam machine" for fun, but want the cost and effort to be minimal. So older CPUs, RAM, and GPUs are generally adequate but I'd really like it all wrapped up in an old Dell/Lenovo/whoever SFF case.
I made mine (not as cool as yours, im not good at 3d modelling) with a 8400T and a Radeon pro w6400 (basically rx6400) and runs pretty good, some games stutter because the cpu, but with throttlestop I managed to get cpu always above 3GHZ
Very interesting! and a very clean modification. The A2000 is definitely pushing it, the single slot T1000 50W isn't actually that slow and pretty comparable to a GTX1650 laptop GPU, weirdly it also comes in 8GB model. I have seen some single slot modifications of the A2000 that apparently work quite well, with a shunt mod you could permanently lower the wattage to 50W as well but of course modifying an A2000 is probably not something many want to do :)
Thank you very much for your suggestions and tips. I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Mesh the entire side panel, try to make for as much airflow as possible.
Use Acer mini PC veriton n4640g, it have full size PCIe x16 on side body
I think best you could do is finding an adapter for PCIe with already included power lines for separate power brick, and make the pc in a way the gpu card gets out from the case in transversal position while combining with i9 9900T. I would like to see how it would perform in that way
@@freerideshuttle better to get i7 8700 (non T) and the copper HS from M920x or P330 Tiny
that stuttering is probably due to the single stick of ram if it was dual channel it would run smoother
love the jazz music with the mini pc build!
Glad you enjoyed!
What's the specific music@@thinhdora
I love too 😎
This is basically the same as the Lenovo M720q/M920x pcs! they all feature a 8x slot, which is very rad in my opinion. Also this can be noticed by the Lenovo OEM logo on the PCB, nice >:]
BTW the Lenovo ones are pretty inexpensive so anyone could recreate this!
Yes. I guess it has the same chassis with some Lenovo Tiny generations also.
Same as lenovo just white case,another brand and power button is different
I use this Case with a Tiny 910X and a i9-9900T yes its a old PC. 😅
@twisted have the m720q and m920x the pci x8 slot?
@@FilippoCarrux yes
The CPU seems to be giving way for the GPU to use up all the powerbudget. Notice the cpu racing to reach 800mhz a large portion of the time. I suggest that you try to run Throttlestop to force the CPU to clock higher and or increase its TDP limits which might be artificially limited by the motherboard since it detects a 70w GPU in the main pcie slot.
Thanks very much for your info. I appreciate. I did some update. You can check out the latest video.
even though the gpu didn't work well this was such an awesome build! I loved the 3D printed expansion. So smart!
Thanks for your comment. I did some performance improvement. You can check out my latest video.
There's some third party cooler mods to help make the A2000 a single slot card too.
This is the best mod so far that I've seen with these micro machines.
An Arc A380 would be ideal for this setup. Especially with the 45w TDP.
That sounds like a fantastic mini pc to for lan parties at friend's houses with the smaller power brick (Lenovo has a middle ground between 135W and 300W, 180W)
@@llomellamomario Ya, the lenovo model with the i7-8700 would be a little monster of a machine!
Sadly, since lenovo has locked the bios pretty hard on this model, you cannot enable resizeable BAR or above 4g decoding, so any intel arc cards are out of the picture.
And the fact that it can be easily over clocked to 60w tdp too! It's a really practical little card.
Can the Lenovo M720Q processor be replaced with a non-T processor?
NECs are pretty cool, I think they are actually just rebadged Lenovos but beige instead.
Now if they made rebadged Thinkpad in beige, I am drooling already
Very nice, may the algorithm work in your favor
You made an amazing system for retro gaming! Amazing project! Thanks!
3:53 Taking a look at the 8500T datasheet, It only has 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes which can be either 1x16, 2x8 or 1x8+2x4. This motherboard is probably configured for the latter with a possible configuration where that SSD2 section is populated by another NVME slot which can operate at x4. Though the B360 controller in this board also offers 11 more PCIe 3.0 lanes.
12:32 Considering the extra height added by the A2000 shroud, it looks like there's plenty of space for the 2.5 SSD to go in there over the CPU heatsink.
Thanks for your information. About adding 2.5 SSD into the extra space, I also considered. The difficulty is I might need another longer SATA flex cable to route from under the GPU which is not easy to find. Moreover, the space above the cpu shroud, especially near the rear exhaust, has high temperature. Thus I thought it wouldn't worth it. Just use an M2 SSD with suitable amount of space, and use external SSD via USB 3.0 if needed is good enough and more simple.
The problem is not the space itself but getting a specific flex cable that both sends power and data.
Lenovo has their own one used here and it is very short
@@Karti200 That's just a regular flex cable which combines SATA and the smaller SATA power into a cable which terminates into a regular SATA one on the other side. Those are common on laptops. when you don't want a round cable and a vertical connector on the board. Some adapters even have a removable flex on the drive side so you can procure a longer one just in case.
Hi! I'm making a very similar project but the STL files you shared are SLIGHTLY too short (like by 1cm) - could you please share the originals with us, so I can edit them myself? Thank you!!!
Sorry for my slow response. I already upload the Fusion 360 file at the Printable page. Could you check it again?
Can you do an updated video after u install throttlestop and disabling the bd protocol. I want to see how much better the a2000 performs. This is an ideal future upgrade path for me from a T1000. Thanks
Thanks for your comment. I did it. You can check out my latest video.
@@thinhdora Really glad u did it. Checking it out now!
The NEC version in off-white (it's not quite beige, not quite white) looks better than the Lenovo. Shame it's already hard to find low-watt GPUs for this as-is, let alone in off-white. Edit: You may get better GPU performance out of a T1000 8gb instead, as the performance loss with the watt limit being so tight means some CUDA cores aren't behaving themselves.
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Because it only has 1 m.2, I think it's the m720q, not m920q
It is not similar... it simply is a rebranded Lenovo Thinkcentre...
It is most definitely a Lenovo. I had 5 of the M720p and a P320 model. I still am a little miffed the RX6400 did not want to go in mine with the stock heatsink. I had the Quadro P620 and P600 versions. I am sure you can just order the Lenovo part numbers FRU 01AJ940 for the PCIe slot.
Hi, you can try to deactivate two core from the bios. The remaining four core can boost higher with the limited 35w tdp. I tried this method on a similar Dell with the i5 10500. Very well made video!
Thanks very much for your tip. I mange to make it perform as it should in my latest video. Check it out.
this looks like an NEC rebadge of the ThinkStation M720q or similar model (could also be the other way around)
Please make more in this form factor. Maybe with a graphics card that fits without need for 3d print.
Very nice and compact little console killer! Love the production quality as well.
Will have to try your model with mine P330 Tiny. It is literally M720Q / M920Q but with beefier cooler (whole cooper one) and 2x NVMe slots instead of one
currently having i7-8700T and RX 6400 inside of it
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Love your content! Especially on the Dell Precision lineups
Nice mini PC to bad is held back by the CPU limited wattage; because of this up grading it won't do much because of that limitation, it would be awesome if some how the UFFI Bios can be patch so it can be adjusted.
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
I've always appreciated the white look of Japanese audio gear. This would pair nicely with my Roland.😊
Your pc is missing the aux antena for the wifi card. The antena ends with a pice of plastic that's glued to the front metal frame.
Glad you recognize it. I recognize it too but could’t find additional connector. Anyway I feel there no performance lost with a single cord.
first 2 minutes : oh its kinda similar to lenovo system after 3 minutes : I KNEW IT, ITS LENOVO ALL ALONG!!!
The Sparkle A310 ECO has a max draw of 50W and is actually low profile and doesn’t have a Chungus of a Heat shield Incase someone doesn’t want to mod the case with 3D printing
Love the build, nice work with the 3D prints.
Another good way to improve it would be to limit the fps to 30, and use the "Lossless Scaling" application to double or triple the fps with its frame generation
This pc throttles the cpu quite fast, eaven when it's "cold". You can change that behavior with throttlestop. There you can desable DB Prochot, which will remove the stutter.
You can see that behavior on the video. When you experience stutter the cpu is using 5w, instead of 30w or 35w.
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Lenovo has graphics card with m720q with 4 Mini Display Output, you can purchease official from taobao, otherwise heatsink of A2000 extremely huge, If can swap or replace. It should good to go.
I’d live to try it one day. Thanks for your tips.
You could put a mosquito net (black) on the exhaust of GPU... To protect that big hole... Insects will be drawn there when the power is of...
Lol, maybe room for GaN PSU inside on top of CPU side? Put AC power jack on back? Or DC DC supply? Possible option stack MosFETs in PCIe power circuit and shunt mod?
Great work bringing new life back to the old gal!…earned a sub
your thumbnail of practical combination was excellent
Im usinga a rtx t1000 8gb ddr6.
You can use an i7 9700t and i9 9900t.
I was going to use a Tesla P4 in my M720q but it wouldn't detect it sadly. worked with my rx6400 though.
Curious about an ARC A380 in this build.
An a380 would work really well since it has a 45W max TDP
Look good, I wanna make something similar with a Xbox one x case using a rtx4060 low profile GPU
It doesn't make much sense if you can't feed GPU with enough power it requires. Even regular desktop motherboards can only provide up to 75W via PCIe. I suggest you get a different GPU with external power input. I have a tiny micro-ITX build and I bought AMD FirePro W7100 8GB GPU for it due to its slim form factor (1 slot). Great video after all!
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Perhaps a faster quad core like an 8100 with higher clocks may be better suited for games.
Sick modifications to the mini pc. Bit unfortunate with power limits, handicapping the a2000's performance. Have you considered other low profile gpu's?
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
nice video! cool project! I think you shouyld check why the CPU is at 800mhz most of the time! try installing a piece of software called Throttlestop (set multiplier and modulation to the max and disable DB protocol) and you'll get a great boost in fps for sure!
It's the T model of the 8500. Those are low energy consumption, so they idle lower than the standard models.
Thanks for your suggestion. I will take a look at Thottlestop.
@@GodSaveTheUnitedStates yes, i know, but 800mhz is the bottom power state and it should not be used during gaming by the cpu, that's why i suggest using throttlestop to avoid the cpu to stay in that particular power state. (you can set the minimum frequency to be way much higher, even with T models)
@carlolalattacosterbosa5821 Oh, I misunderstood. You're right.
I was going to suggest the same thing. I've got the same lenovo m720q. I installed a T1000 gpu in it and was having the same issues using the gpu. The cpu limits the power to 800mhz hence its not working at full capacity. To fix install throttlestop to disable bd protocol. You will notice a boost in speed
This is essentially a lenovo m720q with the same mother board, cool machines
Looks like a small retro console with the color combination. I like it. Great job :)
The Board and case looks nearly identical to my Lenovo P340 Mini PC
I have the adapter. Just wanted to find a 10Gb network card for it.
oh damn i wish i had a 3d printer you can do cool things like this with it
man that looks so cool.. would buy the plastic printed parts if you made them.. always wanted to have a name brand tiny PC with a RTX A2000..
Thanks for your comment. I think it’s easy to outsourcing the 3D printing parts anywhere these days. It’s popular. I also really want a factory ship mini PC compatible with the RTX A2000. Honestly, homemade 3D printing is just a workaround. Can’t beat factory production. BTW, I did some improvement in performance for this pc in my latest video. Check it out.
This is awesome, I am thinking of getting an M720Q and using an RX 6400, get the lid of a P330 as it has the same mounting points and has the ventilation for both the CPU and GPU too. Would make for a living room sized Steam Machine.
Nice idea. That would be a clean setup for living room.
i think for that kind of performance unless you have specific need for quicksync and cuda i would get a ryzen apu which is usually smaller and even more efficient
Thanks for your opinion. That's true. However I managed to make it performs as it should. Check out the latest video if you have time.
Looks like they sourced the base case from the same people who do the Dell 30x series cases.
I don't understand why the use of GPU is so low and also FPS, something is wrong with the setup, I'm not sure, but maybe the slot Pcie will be 1x or similiar, something in the bios and power supply
Thanks for asking. It's my mistake. Please checkout the next video for a better result (ruclips.net/video/_WNFpBrBnXk/видео.html)
Ive got a gtx 1050ti sff lying around, i really need to try this.
Yes, why not.
BTW there is 90W changer from lenovo that will be powerfull enough to run the GPU at full speed,you should give it a try.
Thanks for your information. The power brick I use in the video is 300W model already so it's not the root cause. Btw I managed to make it perform as it should in the latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Nicee! I have a ThinkCentre m720q tiny which is really similar running as a home media server :) This CPU is very good at decoding/encoding videos seamlessly :D
I also have another HP as a homelab too!
What materials do you use for 3d print?
It’s just some regular PLA.
Maybe adding a secondary power input for the 12v rail for the pcie bridge (bypass the onboard supply) and have the option to crank the A2000!
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Single Slot Low Profile RTX A2000 ruclips.net/video/keAFTWkGX0Q/видео.html might work with the original case
Yes. There are many approaches. I'd love to try that too one day.
people have even done single slot mods on the a2000 to make it fit in the stock case!
I’d love to try too!
Very interesting mini pc... Hmmm can you put in it something like qqls, qqlt, etc. with bios modification?
I will take a look at your keyword. BTW I managed to make it performs as it should without any further mod in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
very interesting pc. In Germany you can't find anything about this nec pc.
Thanks. As I guessed and as others have pointed out, it's just a Lenevo Tiny rebanded. So it's could be easiy found if you search for Lenovo Tiny instead.
Best build ever!! Great video :))) Gotta try doing this one for one of our itty bitty setups. Maybe use an Arc a380?
Wait! Lenovo M720Q Tiny is that you?
there is a big bottleneck on hogwarts lol only pulling 30+ watts and around 50-70% gpu usage.
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
good mod . good life
upgrading to an i7-8700T should do the trick, it has the same TDP as the 8500T but it's quite more powerful and should be anough for the A2000
100% identical to lenovo Thinkcetre M720Q (M920Q newer) all port even all component inside layout, suported 8gen and 9gen intel cpu.. whos OEM building it and slaping NEC/Lenovo brand..
I have done this with 2 P330's ( 8700T & 9700T ) Tiny's. Both have a GTX1070 8GB connected with a riser cable. They were just collecting dust haha. I'm also using a Dell DA-2 for external power ( 6+2). Zero issues with everything maxed out in Afterburner. The GPU is on a metal stand designed to go into PC case. The stand was 12$ and is all metal with magnets on the bottom. I'm considering mounting both PC's ( one on each side ) of an open-air vertical mount test bench. The one that is vertical and had a handle. They are like 30$ on Amazon. I use them for my testing and VM's. Sometimes I'll use the one to capture / record my 4K 60 Microscope Camera in OBS to take a load from my desktop. These are awesome and I had everything just laying around so why not tinker.
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Thanks for the video! The specs alone will make this an excellent retrogaming machine!
From my experience with Lenovo mini-PCs, the BIOS settings need a little tweeking to accommodate the speedy RAM and the addition of the GPU.
will you release the print files so we can do this at home?
Absolutely. Thanks for reminding. Please check the description, I’ve just included the download link for related files.
@thinhdora Thanks. I wanted to ask you for it as well. I've got a m720q + T1000 gpu. This will be good if I want to upgrade the gpu in the future. P.s make sure u download and install throttlestop and disable bd protocol. I had the same performance issues as you until I figured it out. Cpu is only working at 800mhz with gpu install hence low performance. Once u disable it, it will run at full speeds. It's very easy to download and install
My local goodwill had those HP mini Pcs that you had for $75. I chose not to get it and went with a SFF dell OptiPlex for the same price. I put in an RX 6400 and it pairs very well with the i5 8500. It's not as small, but it's a good comprise between power and size. I would be bummed out if i had your combination, that CPU is really holding back the A2000. Super cool 3d print, looks professional.
Thanks for your comment. I have a couple of HP Prodesk mini too and used to have an Optiplex micro too, all of them are enterprise grade hardware and serve me well. I love them too. BTW, I did some performance improvement for this machine in my latest video. Check it out!
This may sound crazy but hear me out. RTX 4060 low profile exists. Yes, it draws 50% more power than the A2000 BUT it's much more powerful than the A2000, close to double the performance. If you manage to undervolt it enough it should still deliver better performance that the undervolted A2000. 4060 is also half the price of a A2000 at least where I live.
Thanks very much for your tip. I love the 4060 LP too but unfortunately it costs as much as the A2000 here in Japan, and hard to find on the used market. BTW I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
4060 Low profile requires a power connector. The new RTX 3050 6GB doesn't. So that may be a better alternative.
It looks a lot like the dell optiplex 3020 micro
Really nice mode. I have the exact nec pc model and i wondered if the pcie slot can be used with a graphic card. Do u know if there any 1 slot graphic card that fit without moding the case?
If you don’t want to mod, pay attention to the IO bracket. Factory fit models I know are Nvidia P and T series, they share the same IO bracket, and they have dedicated bracket from Lenevo. Other single slot models like RX 6400 LP technically work too but I’m not sure if the general purposed bracket at 11:11 fits.
Just a few weeks ago, I decided to buy a 1lt Mini PC of this type. I chose a Refurbished HP Elitedesk 705 G5 with Ryzen 5 Pro 3400g at 65w. After 3 days the SSD I came with died and I had to buy another one, not to mention that as a precaution I also changed the RAM for a pair in Dual Channel in addition to changing the Thermal Paste for an Artic one.
Fortunately, restoring the system was easy thanks to the HP Bios, which curiously is also its Achilles heel by not having any advanced configuration for either OC or UV. I highlight the latter due to temperature issues since it does heat up somewhat when the TDP exceeds 50w.
I have been doing tests and removing the Cover, lowering the temperature by about 7-9°C which gives me a slight margin to handle a little more than 55w TDP and, therefore, a little more FPS.
In performance, except for temperature, it is equal to the Stock R5 3400g Desktop, and Vega 11 still works for play in HD +30fps...
Honestly, for the price I paid in total, which was about 240dlls with everything and the emergency extras, I consider myself well served.
Thanks to your video I made the decision to cancel my project of installing an NVME egpu and it would be better keep playing at 30s HD and save up for a Mini ITX computer with a LP GCard. I am worried about investing more in the Elitedesk and not getting all the potential out of it (or other piece crash...)
But your project looks awesome and i hope you can improve the performance very soon. Greetings...
Thanks for the information and explanation...
Glad you enjoyed. I have a couple of HP mini pc too (Prodesk lineup) before I found this one and I love them too. Btw, if you have time, you can check the latest video. I managed to gain more performance with a simple app. Don’t need any further tweaking like overclock and undervolt.
would least puit a filter in front of the graphics card hole
Type c it's at least 6th gen and on. Good deal
Maybe you could remove a hole for both fans so the GPU could run cooler, btw good job love the build!
nice work perhaps disable 2 cores and get better performance
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Impressive what can be done with a 3d printer these days. Makes me want to get one to tinker with.
Yes. The 3D printers are so useful for the hobbyists. Save a lot of time from crafting stuffs.
bro i wished they sold that in america i would love to use it as my only home server
For home server. The same line up from other brands are good too. Like Dell Optiplex Micro or HP Desktop Mini.
Great video! I really enjoy thia type of video very much. Don't know what to recomend. Hope to see moee
very enterprise grade hardware here, the brands usually are seen in production settings like restaurants and POS.
That’s true. The enterprise things attract me.
th CPU running at 800 mhz was a sacrilege...
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
I also have that NEC computer and i have added a nvidia P620..
I love you 3D printed case extension. But just an idea. If you make it look like a mini IBM 5150, XT or AT... It would be really cool. Since the proportions after the extension is not too far off, the cream/beige color of the NEC is pretty close too.
Thanks for the video
Why are changing the ssd for a hdd stay with the sdd with more storage space
Thanks for recognizing. It’s just a random swap. I don’t need much space for this mini pc.
I wanted this computer!
Japan.
it is good video. I liked very much. Thank you for posting!
The power supply limits you from utilizing each full CPU and GPU performance. I would aquire a 180W Lenovo one and you will see no issues and don‘t need adjustments.
i luv these little Lenovo machines
Other option: Clevo P750 or P770, Dsanke BIOS and QTJ1 CPU. RTX3080 MXM. 30x series heatsink from TaoBao. Cost: 8700k 32GB Clevo P750TM1 $270. MXM 3080 16GB MXM $315. Heatsink $91 + shipping ~$40. QTJ1 CPU (optional) $70. Speed? Very quick. Currently waiting for the heatsink*, but even at 80w TDP (down from 165w) it is faster than old 1070. The 1070 MXM is actually faster than the desktop 1070!?!? But the MXM 3080 is more alike Desktop 3070.
* I was able to cut 3 corners off the original 10x GPU heatsink and drill new holes to mount it. But it is not ideal. New heatsink has water+air cooling option for $20 more, but I did not order that option.
Back in the days of the 1st gen Intel Atom, I paired an Atom 330 with (I think) a 9600GT, but there was a minimum CPU clock requirement, so I had to overclock the Atom to something like 2.2ghz in order to get it to boot, but it worked fairly well for the time period. I also experimented later using a discrete 9500 card (The GPU component of the Atom 330 was based on a GeForce 9500) and it did perform a bit better than the onboard graphics. Kind of the inverse of the clock speed problem you had here.
This is a very interesting build! I am curious about using the internal PCIe slot for Oculink for an eGPU instead of trying to graft on an internal GPU. Would that be an option? Perhaps have a very small PC power supply where you create the output for the existing PC as well as enough for the e-GPU and any PCIe power it wanted? I generally would agree with the ARC cards for value here although this might also let you run the A2000 at full speed.
I'm looking at all these kinds of builds thinking of putting together a "Steam machine" for fun, but want the cost and effort to be minimal. So older CPUs, RAM, and GPUs are generally adequate but I'd really like it all wrapped up in an old Dell/Lenovo/whoever SFF case.
That is an interesting option! adapting that slot out to Oculink would definitely be possible.
I made mine (not as cool as yours, im not good at 3d modelling) with a 8400T and a Radeon pro w6400 (basically rx6400) and runs pretty good, some games stutter because the cpu, but with throttlestop I managed to get cpu always above 3GHZ
Thanks for your information. I've never try Throttlestop. Will take a look for sure.
The fact that you could replace a 8400 for better performance....
Or upgrade to 8700 or 9700
I will!
@@thinhdora Ah, you also need to upgrade cooler either, otherwise it would be throttling
Can the Lenovo M720Q processor be replaced with a non-T processor?
That NEC tiny PC is really a Lenovo
No doubt
Very interesting! and a very clean modification.
The A2000 is definitely pushing it, the single slot T1000 50W isn't actually that slow and pretty comparable to a GTX1650 laptop GPU, weirdly it also comes in 8GB model. I have seen some single slot modifications of the A2000 that apparently work quite well, with a shunt mod you could permanently lower the wattage to 50W as well but of course modifying an A2000 is probably not something many want to do :)