What I love about the death guard is when they got cut off from the warp/grandfather's love they immediately screams fo mercy since every single wounds, parasite, disease, and viruses in their body start killing them
@@leonidaspereirafilho499 i frogot where i heard that but it is canon. Basically at all times any worshiper of nurgle has to have a connection with him at all times. Because the only reason they dont die is because of his magic.
He not only hated Psykers he also hated Astropaths and Navigators. Mortarion was shown the webway project when he returned to Terra by Malcador. I assume he appreciated be transported almost instantly somewhere without filthy Psykers.
Not really. Half of fallen Primarchs were pretty well treated by the Emperor. Hell Fulgrim was the biggest Emperor simp until the demon thing happened. The only ones who you could argue the Emperor screwed over were Mortarion, Angron and maybe Kurze.
I can tell you as someone who works in Occupational Therapy and sees how parents approach their kids struggling with things... the Emperor stepping in like "Ah, fuck this, we're on the clock", punking the kill and expecting Mortarion to be grateful is 100% on brand
Not only it was a last minute kill steal, but what also pissed mortarion off was that at the end of the day his adoptive father's shackles were just replaced with the emperor's, he never really tasted freedom and that's not something to be undestated
The death guard are not for everyone, but they are easily accepted as one the most popular chaos legions. Everyone always looks at it as just being these gross hard to kill marines, but just think of the army from the perspective of their victems. The terror of these twisted hulks of rotting flesh mutations marching slowly forward, followed by thousands of hungry zombies, grotesque daemons of plauge, clouds of stinging flys, and seige machines all spreading viruses that will painfully melt you into bloody pus in seconds. And if your lucky enough to reach the escape craft, you notice one of the other passengers cough up some blood...and the rictus grin of the walking pox spreads across his mouth...
Always felt that Mortarion and his legion were one of the coolest heresy legions in aesthetic and concept, but have been given a raw deal in the lore. I do think Chris Wraight does a banger job with them and even Mortarion himself, but more needs to be done.
regarding phosphex I am pretty sure it can burn in vacuum just fine, you can't put it out, you just have to wait and hope it burns out on it's own. Also I have heard it described as having a particularly horrifying quality where apparently the flames can somehow detect movement and will "chase" after it. So if you are near phosphex flames and you try to get away, it's going to follow you and kill you.
@@CaptainGrief66I mean they already engineered it to burn without fuel or oxygen which is insane. The fire is easily disturbed in the direction of an air current or something?
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 That's not impossible, we already have chemicals that burn underwater that occur naturally and adding oxidisers to compounds let's them burn in low oxygen environments, this is just an extreme case of that But how the hell can you make fire follow people
Nurgle doesn’t seek death. Death ends the suffering and misery. Death is an aspect of change (hint) from life. Nurgle seeks continuous entropy, which is halted when the person dies.
Im in the process of finishing my Slaanesh army ( I have five more boxes in my pile of shame to finally finish). I was gifted with a squad of Blightlord Terminators.. I will definitely be making a Deathguard army very soon. They are very interesting bits of plastic crack. And im beginning to like the abilities they have. They tend to grow on you ,, like a malignant fungus..
The sick bois have a cool ascetic, I'm more into Khorn ascetic though. I feel like as they come into battle, there would be a melancholy orchestra playing. The Khorn followers are blasting metal.
one thing I never got about Mortarion haters is they always act like the kill steal didn't matter in the end and he should've just gotten over it. Like imagine being a scientist about to cure super cancer or end world hunger broken and beaten after years of effort then in your old age some smug asshole covered in gold tells you that your pursuit was a waste of time solves your lifelong issues and starts barking commands. Like you'd feel a little annoyed at the least and maybe a bit broken.
I'm almost done listening to the Horus Heresy in Ausible and now I'm on The Lost and the Damned where Mortarion reveals his new form to the Traitor Legions. Much gagging and asphyxiation ensues. I've recently bought DG boarding patrol. Can't wait to paint the up.
the dg are one of the legions that suffer the most from the horus heresy being novellised. mystery and the question of "who would choose this and why" was what made them engaging - taking that away by answering that question poorly really hurt them, moreso than almost any other legion imo
To be a follower of Nargul is to be a child of Nargul my friend. We are his children he loves and cares for. With his love and support we can smile with glee as we spread his message of love, his gifts. Of course they are simple and childish
And if the marine is lucky enough they get rest back to there pre chaos look. ( Wich has happened to the primiarch for a temporary time it was in a book )
Hearing their play stile is defense is weird because I thought pre-heresy they were iron warriors without the vehicles just fucktons of soldiers bitch slapping the enemy to nothing but dust, and then taking slaps like its nothing.
tbh I agree that the higher ups in the Death Guard aren't that great, but I think that just means you should write your own Death Guard characters. It can be really fun and it has a bunch of creative writing oppurtunities
Look at it this way with mortarion: he's very much the spirit of freedom, and will fight for it. Whenever he's under someone or something, he'll rebel raise up and fight against it. His adoptive father, his birth(?) father, briefly horus, and even his own god during godblight. He's constantly being chained down to different masters, chaifs under them, and will hold a grudge against them that he was in that spot where he's forced to listen to them in the first place. And he grudgingly drags himself from place to place hating everything he's forced to do, and will act in a human way, and be petty as all shit about it. That's why he sought out the khan after he realised the heresy was becoming heretical with all the daemons: the khan is a kindred spirit in freedom. But unlike the khan, morty carries that massive chip on his shoulder, and instead of letting go, will hold that grudge till the end of time. Hes interesting because rather than fighting against tyranny in a noble way, he's always going about it as a teenage dickhead. Thus instead of being taken seriously, the rest of the universe treats him as a petulant child. Meanwhile, yes, typhon is absolutely a skelletor rippoff. He contributes nothing.
Have you read the trilogy of Dark Imperium, Plague Wars, Godblight? Yes, it features both Mortarion and Kugath prominently, but it has them appearing quite interesting. And it makes Guilliman look cool. I think you would enjoy it.
There is a theory that the Sons of Anteaus are a loyalist successor chapter that snuck under the radar They have very similar tactics to OG Death Guard, and if I remember correctly they do not fight at all like their gene sire, which if I believe is Corax so yeah
Bro I so disagree with saying E stole the kill from Morty. 1. E and Morty AGREED to the deal. 2. He only acted after Mortarion lost and was about to be killed. It'd be different if Morty had his blade to his stepdad's neck and out of nowhere, E kills his with a longe-range bolt to the head.
@@waynebimmel6784 wait, isn't heavy water like, really bad if ingested? Feel like I heard something about that on tv. Would have been years ago though.
I like to think The Death Guard perpetually hear and sing along to some joyous 40s tune while everyone else just hears the flies, screeching and "gurgling".
Please tell me he’s got it trapped in like a box lined with soul spikes or whatever and when he’s in a bad mood he squeezes the box so as to stab the soul to feel better hearing the cosmic screams of his father.
@@MachineMan-mj4gj “Morty! I turned myself into an ethereal cosmic spirit of the warp Morty! I’m a cosmic spirit now! Morty, why are you putting me in a jar?! Morty! MORTY DONT LEAVE ME HERE!!!”
I like the idea of death guard characters and nurgle worshippers in general being extremely obsessive compulsive. Constantly fretting over every plague that doesn’t succeed while meticulously tallying the ones that do. Sort of like a group of insane zombie accountants.
When I first got into 40k, these guys where the one faction that genuinely scared and disturbed me just as a concept. As humans we are naturally very scared of disease, infection, slow decay etc. I think the thought of facing these guys in battle is 10x scarier than say a Khorne berserker or even a night lord
I'd honestly be so worried about attrition over time fighting them as a astra militarium commander. they'll be using viral and chemical and radiological weapons galore and their enhanced constitutions will grant them extraordinarily resistance or flute out immunity to them.
About his Morty's meeting with Big E, I'm pretty sure the challenge was *only* for Mortarion to kill his necromancer father, which he failed in. The Emperor only stepped in once Mortarion was on the ground, his lungs and body permanently crippled by the poison, about to be killed by his foster father who noticed him dying outside on his doormat.
After listening to lords of silence, I do not think they are as happy as you claim. It's more like resigned to their fate. Just going through the motions. But their motions cause doom to poor citizens who never deserved to meet them.
Both if i remember correctly.Some of them really do love their job like that one plague surgeon in LoS. In the codex, the legion is described as half happy, half cold blooded guys if I'm not wrong
Okay so you aren't wrong about anything here but I'd like to defend/mention something important about Mortarian's character. A lot of people focus on the kill steal, and rightfully so, but another big part of his backstory is that Mortarian learned through the Emperor's actions that he was too slow. On his home planet he was patient in earning the human's trust, he went from town to town to teach and arm them, and he slowly built up their armor and poison masks so that the humans could join him and eventually improve how far he himself could go. In the primarch book, "The Pale King" Mortarion takes a long time before committing to bringing a planet into compliance. During that time we see him do a lot of research and planning. The plan he comes up with is actually pretty creative. Which shows that when he can move at his own pace he is much more capable and interesting as a character. But the plan wasn't perfect, it was creative but also way to direct. This is because his big character flaw is him constantly trying to overcome the fact that he is slow. Slow for a primarch is still bonkers fast, but slow in comparison none the less. All of his legions tactics are straightforward and kinda dumb because the most straightforward way is often the fastest. There are tons of other small examples of this but I've wrote a book about it. Just look into his lore a little and consider the "he's slow but aware of it" angle.
I disagree I don’t see morty not being pissed Had he killed his father himself he wouldn’t want to obey big e and had bug e allowed him the finishing blow he would have seen it as an insult
I said ANOTHER big part of his backstory. I never claimed he wasn't upset about the killsteal. Even in the "Paleking," Mortarian addresses the killsteal and how it bothered him. But on that same page he doesn't indulge himself on continuing the climb to finish the fight. He decides to go where he is tactically needed the most instead. Showing that it will always bother him, but that he doesn't let it control him. However, I'm suggesting that he does let the fact that he was too slow control him. An issue caused by the killsteal indirectly. @@dumbidea1007
Mortarion had such a Grudge against the Emperor, and not even for taking him away from his men like Angron, but saving him in a way that could've been done better. As you said, it was one hell of a Grudge, and Mortarion also hated Magic, is he a Fantasy Dwarf then?
Imagine a rogue-like game where you play as Morty working your way up the mountain and whenever you lose it’s the Emperor teleporting you back down to the base and you lose all your equipment you found along the way
If I could make a book recommendation for seeing Nurgle in an interesting light, Plague Garden by Josh Reynolds is phenomenal. It’s an AoS novel that follows a redeemed Nurgle chasing a pirate daemon through the realms of the plague god. Great vid as always!
Always thought the death guard was one of the most deadly legions with just there passive abilities that I feel are nerfed especially in terms of how their described to be so destructive and killing
I honestly never cared for the Death Guard due to their aesthetic, but I do understand the appeal. That being said, the last lore tidbit was utterly hilarious.
Pretty accurate take. For me, Death Guards are basically the other end of the spectrum of the Iron Hands. Slow Moving, grind the foes into dust kinda strategy. Where Iron Hands slowly creeps in, hates their own flesh and using all kinds of range weaponry to deal damage on the enemies from afar. Death Guard slowly creeps in and uses short range and hated the flesh of the "Non gifted". Basically, Juggernauts that both hates flesh. One hates it because it is flesh, one hates it because it's not fleshy and rotten enough. One has a knack for range, one has a knack for just get close by having close to a Stroll towards their destination.
Death Guard is my first army, still building them, but I picked them for the aesthetic and the silliness of Nurgle loving everyone. They just make me laugh, especially the nurglings
Death Guard is an awesome chaos faction and outside of the 1K Sons I always loved their death and decay aesthetic and I even run a Death Guard themed deck in MTG. In contrast, I just cant seem to get into Mortarion. To Mortarion's credit, the Death Guard are the most coherent traitor legion that has been active. However at the end of the day, Imo, The Emperor was right. It may have been his life struggle, but in the grand scheme of things if you live solely for revenge then thats a pretty wasted life. The Emperor had plans, and Mortarion was destined for bigger things. Granted, the Emperor could have easily just told a HUGE white lie and said "if you follow me we will crush men like him a hundred times over and you can kill the problem at its true source" That would of course crumble away and Mortarion would probably hate the Emperor anyways for lying...but thats kinda the whole thing with Morty. Dude is just too bitter
He is just wasted potential. Look at Perty, he's bitter, petulent and brutal but they actually made him much more than that. Why couldn't they have made Mortarion like that. Perturabo was a flawed but interesting character. He's petty but that didn't define everything he did. Guilt also weighed down on him. He felt more interesting than whatever the fuck Morty's characterization
The Emperor planning to become a mummy and that's why he was an asshole to some of the Primarchs is cope and if GW makes it canon it would be incredibly stupid. Turns out the totalitarian space dictator plays favorites between his experiments, treating some as sons and some as just tools. Big deal. People play favorites in real life, it doesn't have to be more complicated than that.
The problem with a lot of Chaos primarchs backstories is that they usually scapegoat the emperor to justify the primarchs fall. IMO, this is a bullshit plot device. I really like Magnus the red as a primarch because his fall is largely his own fault, and the story recognizes it as such. Compare this to mortarion, who got his life SAVED by the emperor and then preceded to hold a grudge and become the very thing he hated.
I absolutely love the Death Guard minis. To me they are the perfect minis to learn how to paint on. You get large armor pieces. Huge skin pieces. Lots of boils, puss, wounds, etc. Tons of details.... they are amazing minis for being able to practice almost everything
That's a good point. It also must be pretty forgiving since they're supposed to be ratchet looking. If you mess up a couple lines or details it wouldn't throw off the aesthetic as much as minis that have a lot of clean lines and more fine details
The thing is I’ve become more interesting in the old dusk raiders more than the death guard. The flight of the Eisenstin book introduced a interesting idea of space marines legions that no-one really considers before the relationship/ culture clash between a primarch the original Terran born marines of the legion.
There actually was friction between the Terran born dusk raiders and the Barbarus death guard. The terrans saw them as savages and the barbarus people saw the terrans as weak and arrogant.
Mortarion was a real asshole. He wanted to do it alone. This time I think the Emperor was at least, reasonable. Mortarion failed, failed miserably in his attempt to kill his foster father. He could kill his foster father on his own nor would he accept any help. He was too stubborn and petulant to be helped. The Emprah here just run out of patience and gave an early ultimatum.
I've found out about warhammer at the middle of the 8th edition and bought the death guard parts from 1 dark imperium, 2 know no fear and 3 first strike boxes, but because none of my friends got interested in 40k i sold it all since i had no one to play with, and words cannot describe how much i regret selling those miniatures.
Honestly love the Death guard, besides Mortarion. The original recruits were drawn from old Albia which was the last city to fall under compliance to the Emperor during the Unification War, actual ending up joining due to the respect that the Emperor had to them cause they were able to hold off his forces for so long that big E actually resorted to diplomance. The original death guard, called the Dusk Raider took a large degree of their culture into the legion, however this was destroyed by Mortarion, who stripped any identity of the Dusk Raiders. Fun Fact, Albia was also the origin recruit origin of the Iron Hands and Night Lords meaning 1/6 of all the known legions (not counting two or eleven) can trace their origins back to Albia which in itself is really fucking cool.
I’m coming in seven months late because I was flashbanged by the phrase “The Emperor don’t miss too often,” because looking back this at golden sociopath makes him look like the Imperium’s drunk uncle giving them some cool alternative lifestyle while hiding the fact that they just doomed themselves to heroin addiction… love your content btw :)
I love the death guard, my favourite traitor legion. They're so funny. I just find them funny when I dont think too deeply about them. I just like to ignore the disease fact and think they purely kill from being so stinky.
Getting into 40k right now, and I did pick the death guard. Made my own warband called the Spinal Corps. A group of loyalists deathguard marines who were caught and turned into a barely sentient mush and left to die. But were later repurposed and made useful again by a couple of opportunistic plague surgeons.
Literally the best way the emperor could have made mortarion a loyalist would be to give him either a suit of power armour, purify the air around necare's mountain using psychic magics or I dunno, give him a magic sword or something
I really love the Death Guard in 30k more than 40k, and I think Mortarion the Pale King is one of the big reasons why. Just seeing this horrible, brutal campaign, and getting to see the effects of fucking Phosphex is one of those 'jesus christ, how horrifying' moments, and it's greeeeeeeeat, and they're my Horus Heresy army of choice for the 'oops all warcrimes' moments, behind Iron Warriors. I can't believe you didn't mention too that Morty decided to build a 1-1 replica of the Imperial Palace on his new daemon world, but as a fuck you to The Emperor it's exactly 7 centimeters larger in all dimensions. I love this petty bitch. Also Huron-Fal my beloved, too good for this setting.
Most other lore videos on Morty say that the Emperor first gave food and medicine to morty's people and then offered to help him kill the last overlord together. I don't know how you can interpret that as the Emperor screwing up. But I never did read the books myself, so maybe I got a warped version of events.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Mortarion. I have more respect for even Angron. Mortarion is far and away my least favorite primarch. I don’t hate the Death Guard as a faction. I just despise their primarch.
What do you mean the emperror don't mess (miss?) that often? He fks up all the time, from the ban on chaos knowledge, which led to the whole mankind corruption, to being the shittiest dad in the universe.
“Look at him! His preferred weapon is gardening equipment!”🤣🤣🤣🤣 that was good. It does appear that the Emporer and Malcodor knew that the Primarchs would eventually rebel but they just didn’t know how it would go down. It can be argued that they’re KNOWLEDGE that it would happen, influenced their behavior towards the Primarchs, ENSURING it would happen. Self-Fulfilling prophecy kinda stuff…
I suspect primarchs falling to Chaos was part of the knowledge deal Big E did. Though I doubt numbers or names were discussed besides: Each chaos god gets one champion. So after finding the primarchs, the Emperor tried to push certain ones to Chaos while protecting others.
I love the death guard rules and concepts... I fucking hate their aesthetic... I run my death guard army as imperial fist successors who got stuck on a deathworld that got hit with one too many chemical weapons and so learned to survive and wield extreme chemical weapons...
I disagree I don’t see morty not being pissed Had he killed his father himself he wouldn’t want to obey big e and had bug e allowed him the finishing blow he would have seen it as an insult
‘The light will come again!’ Xydias thunders. And that, of all that has been claimed or boasted, is a genuine sorrow. It will never come again. There has not been light, genuine light, for ten thousand years. Vorx should know - he witnessed it, the original blaze of hope, being extinguished by the Doomed Warmaster at the behest of gods he now serves. So this pain must end. This delusion must end. Better to prosper in darkness than batter away at some false dawn like a shroud-moth on a lantern.
I had only just read the Buried Dagger, it's a fun one which goes this in a fair bit of detail. I side with the Emperor on this one. Mortarion was fucking up, over and over again unable to do this. He had multiple ways to take down the Overlords, but only *his* way was going to work and it was stupid. The armor was untested and too expensive to mass produce, so only his best soldiers got them and wouldn’t you know it, they all died on the first assault. The Emperor saved him and his people. Mortarion was too stubborn to accept the help and went into his death just to spite him, letting his people he supposedly cared for suffer.
What I love about the death guard is when they got cut off from the warp/grandfather's love they immediately screams fo mercy since every single wounds, parasite, disease, and viruses in their body start killing them
When does this happen in the lore?
@@leonidaspereirafilho499 i frogot where i heard that but it is canon. Basically at all times any worshiper of nurgle has to have a connection with him at all times. Because the only reason they dont die is because of his magic.
It didn't kill them they were just horrified by their bodies and in shock
Who can cut off the warp
@@ravenwhiteduck6460 Sisters of Silence and other Blanks.
He not only hated Psykers he also hated Astropaths and Navigators. Mortarion was shown the webway project when he returned to Terra by Malcador. I assume he appreciated be transported almost instantly somewhere without filthy Psykers.
Nice profile picture.
"The emperor does not miss often"
excuse me, what? Hes the Shaq at the free throw line bad when it comes to his sons lol
Only when ADB writes him because he’s a chaos fanboy
That is one of the meanest things I've ever heard
I appreciate this
@@proudsaiyanprince2651 no
Not really. Half of fallen Primarchs were pretty well treated by the Emperor. Hell Fulgrim was the biggest Emperor simp until the demon thing happened. The only ones who you could argue the Emperor screwed over were Mortarion, Angron and maybe Kurze.
I can tell you as someone who works in Occupational Therapy and sees how parents approach their kids struggling with things... the Emperor stepping in like "Ah, fuck this, we're on the clock", punking the kill and expecting Mortarion to be grateful is 100% on brand
yeah in my experience parents prefer to remove obstacles rather than solve problems
Not only it was a last minute kill steal, but what also pissed mortarion off was that at the end of the day his adoptive father's shackles were just replaced with the emperor's, he never really tasted freedom and that's not something to be undestated
God the Emperor is just.. such a bad dad
@@TheBoneZone40kMeh
The death guard are not for everyone, but they are easily accepted as one the most popular chaos legions. Everyone always looks at it as just being these gross hard to kill marines, but just think of the army from the perspective of their victems. The terror of these twisted hulks of rotting flesh mutations marching slowly forward, followed by thousands of hungry zombies, grotesque daemons of plauge, clouds of stinging flys, and seige machines all spreading viruses that will painfully melt you into bloody pus in seconds. And if your lucky enough to reach the escape craft, you notice one of the other passengers cough up some blood...and the rictus grin of the walking pox spreads across his mouth...
i’m throwing him out and splattering his brains across the floor and getting the fuck outta there
I wish their miniatures looked more diseased honestly I find they look oddly clean, and more mutated than rotting.
Always felt that Mortarion and his legion were one of the coolest heresy legions in aesthetic and concept, but have been given a raw deal in the lore. I do think Chris Wraight does a banger job with them and even Mortarion himself, but more needs to be done.
regarding phosphex I am pretty sure it can burn in vacuum just fine, you can't put it out, you just have to wait and hope it burns out on it's own. Also I have heard it described as having a particularly horrifying quality where apparently the flames can somehow detect movement and will "chase" after it. So if you are near phosphex flames and you try to get away, it's going to follow you and kill you.
“Get back here you little scamp”
How the fuck does this even work realistically? How does one engineer FIRE to follow someone?
@@CaptainGrief66I mean they already engineered it to burn without fuel or oxygen which is insane. The fire is easily disturbed in the direction of an air current or something?
@@GreaterGrievobeast55
That's not impossible, we already have chemicals that burn underwater that occur naturally and adding oxidisers to compounds let's them burn in low oxygen environments, this is just an extreme case of that
But how the hell can you make fire follow people
ROCK AND STONE!! 8:28
We rich
Nurgle doesn’t seek death. Death ends the suffering and misery. Death is an aspect of change (hint) from life. Nurgle seeks continuous entropy, which is halted when the person dies.
not going to lie every time you say ah...Hi! I cant get the picture of Perturabo smiling out of my head! hahaha
good
My poor poor stinky boys. I'm glad theyre dealing with power creep but like.. damn..
Im in the process of finishing my Slaanesh army ( I have five more boxes in my pile of shame to finally finish). I was gifted with a squad of Blightlord Terminators.. I will definitely be making a Deathguard army very soon. They are very interesting bits of plastic crack. And im beginning to like the abilities they have. They tend to grow on you ,, like a malignant fungus..
The sick bois have a cool ascetic, I'm more into Khorn ascetic though.
I feel like as they come into battle, there would be a melancholy orchestra playing.
The Khorn followers are blasting metal.
They just fight in silence. No yelling, talking or screaming, just methodical and effective movement.
Love your commentary and takes great background music and stellar editing as well
one thing I never got about Mortarion haters is they always act like the kill steal didn't matter in the end and he should've just gotten over it. Like imagine being a scientist about to cure super cancer or end world hunger broken and beaten after years of effort then in your old age some smug asshole covered in gold tells you that your pursuit was a waste of time solves your lifelong issues and starts barking commands. Like you'd feel a little annoyed at the least and maybe a bit broken.
Honestly you summed up his entire relationship with Emps better than I ever could
I'm almost done listening to the Horus Heresy in Ausible and now I'm on The Lost and the Damned where Mortarion reveals his new form to the Traitor Legions. Much gagging and asphyxiation ensues. I've recently bought DG boarding patrol. Can't wait to paint the up.
the dg are one of the legions that suffer the most from the horus heresy being novellised. mystery and the question of "who would choose this and why" was what made them engaging - taking that away by answering that question poorly really hurt them, moreso than almost any other legion imo
Konrad smiling is such a cursed visage that it would drive chaste and loyal men to degeneracy. Never show that again.
Did I hear a rock and stone?
If you dont rock and stone, you aint coming home
To be a follower of Nargul is to be a child of Nargul my friend. We are his children he loves and cares for. With his love and support we can smile with glee as we spread his message of love, his gifts. Of course they are simple and childish
You called the Blood Angels mid, but you love Plague Marines? lol
It's an Alpha Legion psy-op, I tell you
@@thewretchedpleb7484 Surely those bastard are everywhere
Wait till he praises the Word bearers too man if only he read some Blood Angel books he’d see that they are above average or very nice 👌👌
bro is completely luigipilled
red = bad
green = good
clown world
@@ExValeFor my theory, Bones is a Yoshi
8:18 trust me knowing some of these writers, neither do they.
Blight Grenades go 😶🌫️🤢🤮☠️
I remember reading if you cut off the warp connection to the plague marines you will force to feel all the pain Of Grandpa Nurgle's "gifts".
And if the marine is lucky enough they get rest back to there pre chaos look. ( Wich has happened to the primiarch for a temporary time it was in a book )
Actually i think the primiarch was of the plague marines
Morty is the one kid who smoked weed and never took a shower. And did so just so he could smite his parents and be a pain in the ass.
Me on my way to go hug my patience for the sons of Horus CHADpercal
Rock and Stone to the bone
For KARL!
Hearing their play stile is defense is weird because I thought pre-heresy they were iron warriors without the vehicles just fucktons of soldiers bitch slapping the enemy to nothing but dust, and then taking slaps like its nothing.
tbh I agree that the higher ups in the Death Guard aren't that great, but I think that just means you should write your own Death Guard characters. It can be really fun and it has a bunch of creative writing oppurtunities
I know I’m late but didn’t the emperor literally say “I save you because I love you” or something when he saved mortarion.
Why does he do the voice actor "hi I'm Arthur *breathy voice*"??
What's the lore behind that
Look at it this way with mortarion: he's very much the spirit of freedom, and will fight for it. Whenever he's under someone or something, he'll rebel raise up and fight against it. His adoptive father, his birth(?) father, briefly horus, and even his own god during godblight. He's constantly being chained down to different masters, chaifs under them, and will hold a grudge against them that he was in that spot where he's forced to listen to them in the first place. And he grudgingly drags himself from place to place hating everything he's forced to do, and will act in a human way, and be petty as all shit about it. That's why he sought out the khan after he realised the heresy was becoming heretical with all the daemons: the khan is a kindred spirit in freedom. But unlike the khan, morty carries that massive chip on his shoulder, and instead of letting go, will hold that grudge till the end of time. Hes interesting because rather than fighting against tyranny in a noble way, he's always going about it as a teenage dickhead. Thus instead of being taken seriously, the rest of the universe treats him as a petulant child.
Meanwhile, yes, typhon is absolutely a skelletor rippoff. He contributes nothing.
you get a like next week OK I know which faction it will be as I can see the future
unfortunately it may not be
I'm gonna be out on vacation so legion content is on pause for a bit till I get back
Have you read the trilogy of Dark Imperium, Plague Wars, Godblight? Yes, it features both Mortarion and Kugath prominently, but it has them appearing quite interesting. And it makes Guilliman look cool. I think you would enjoy it.
Not gunna get blown off the table, but then 10th edition happened 😆
When you described phosphex...yeaah thats exactly how wp works. Irl.
Bones my beloved
WoW almost 10k!
Cool channel idk heck all about 40k but thanks 😊
>he (Emperor) is not a moron
Are you sure about that?
I wish there was a loyalist version of the deathgaurd
The closest thing would be the Salamanders, I think. Green, uses flame weapons, and are defensive attrition based.
@@caleboverman4464 that's ... I never thought of that before and they are pretty tanky if I remember correctly thanks for that
Dreadwing within Dark Angels for 30k, Star Phantoms for 40k
There is a theory that the Sons of Anteaus are a loyalist successor chapter that snuck under the radar
They have very similar tactics to OG Death Guard, and if I remember correctly they do not fight at all like their gene sire, which if I believe is Corax
so yeah
@@TheBoneZone40k thank you
Easy answer: killing necromancer more important than child revenge,and required psychic that he didn't trust.
I love 40k more than anything else but it’s too expensive and it’s plot convenience the game 😂
Death guard forever 💯
Bro I so disagree with saying E stole the kill from Morty.
1. E and Morty AGREED to the deal.
2. He only acted after Mortarion lost and was about to be killed.
It'd be different if Morty had his blade to his stepdad's neck and out of nowhere, E kills his with a longe-range bolt to the head.
8:27 👌🤌
IF YOU DONT ROCK AND STONE, YOU AINT COMING HOME!
When tyberos.
Brother! Bring the alcohol! The heavy alcohol!
I'm gonna need the *heavy* vodka for this heresy
@@lil-_s_t_e_a_m_y6385 So is Vodka
Heavy alcohol is analogus to heavy water, in that it's hydrogen is deuterium.
Bwahahahahahhha!😂
@@waynebimmel6784 wait, isn't heavy water like, really bad if ingested?
Feel like I heard something about that on tv. Would have been years ago though.
I like to think The Death Guard perpetually hear and sing along to some joyous 40s tune while everyone else just hears the flies, screeching and "gurgling".
Lollipop Lollipop oh Lolly lolly Lollipop!
Do you believe in magic
@CrabMan don't worry be happy. Don't worry be happy now
How much is that doggie in the window
The famous death dance they do in New Orleans plays.
One of my favourite parts of the Dark Imperium series was finding out Morty keeps the soul of his father captive out of spite
Please tell me he’s got it trapped in like a box lined with soul spikes or whatever and when he’s in a bad mood he squeezes the box so as to stab the soul to feel better hearing the cosmic screams of his father.
@@crimsondynamo615 It's literally kept in a jar.
@@trazyntheinfinitearchivist7866 nurgle loves his jars; it's so gratifying that his adoptive children can share his hobbies.
"Morty! Let me out of the coom jar, Morty!"
@@MachineMan-mj4gj “Morty! I turned myself into an ethereal cosmic spirit of the warp Morty! I’m a cosmic spirit now! Morty, why are you putting me in a jar?! Morty! MORTY DONT LEAVE ME HERE!!!”
"Mortarion manages to make Perturabo jealous of his spite and is a hypocrite of immeasurable proportions."
-Lion 'El Johnson
I like the idea of death guard characters and nurgle worshippers in general being extremely obsessive compulsive. Constantly fretting over every plague that doesn’t succeed while meticulously tallying the ones that do. Sort of like a group of insane zombie accountants.
Insane Zombie Accountants is my Ice Nine Kills tribute band.
When I first got into 40k, these guys where the one faction that genuinely scared and disturbed me just as a concept. As humans we are naturally very scared of disease, infection, slow decay etc. I think the thought of facing these guys in battle is 10x scarier than say a Khorne berserker or even a night lord
But when you're dying of a terrible disease how easy is it to say "grandfather please"
I'd honestly be so worried about attrition over time fighting them as a astra militarium commander. they'll be using viral and chemical and radiological weapons galore and their enhanced constitutions will grant them extraordinarily resistance or flute out immunity to them.
About his Morty's meeting with Big E, I'm pretty sure the challenge was *only* for Mortarion to kill his necromancer father, which he failed in. The Emperor only stepped in once Mortarion was on the ground, his lungs and body permanently crippled by the poison, about to be killed by his foster father who noticed him dying outside on his doormat.
i know a few guys at the game store that resemble these lads, their only weakness is deodorant and dating apps
Showers too, surely?
@@dapperultron1784 maybe they are disgustingly resilient after all 😉
And a toothbrush 🪥
After listening to lords of silence, I do not think they are as happy as you claim. It's more like resigned to their fate. Just going through the motions. But their motions cause doom to poor citizens who never deserved to meet them.
Loved that book
Both if i remember correctly.Some of them really do love their job like that one plague surgeon in LoS. In the codex, the legion is described as half happy, half cold blooded guys if I'm not wrong
Okay so you aren't wrong about anything here but I'd like to defend/mention something important about Mortarian's character. A lot of people focus on the kill steal, and rightfully so, but another big part of his backstory is that Mortarian learned through the Emperor's actions that he was too slow. On his home planet he was patient in earning the human's trust, he went from town to town to teach and arm them, and he slowly built up their armor and poison masks so that the humans could join him and eventually improve how far he himself could go.
In the primarch book, "The Pale King" Mortarion takes a long time before committing to bringing a planet into compliance. During that time we see him do a lot of research and planning. The plan he comes up with is actually pretty creative. Which shows that when he can move at his own pace he is much more capable and interesting as a character. But the plan wasn't perfect, it was creative but also way to direct. This is because his big character flaw is him constantly trying to overcome the fact that he is slow. Slow for a primarch is still bonkers fast, but slow in comparison none the less. All of his legions tactics are straightforward and kinda dumb because the most straightforward way is often the fastest.
There are tons of other small examples of this but I've wrote a book about it. Just look into his lore a little and consider the "he's slow but aware of it" angle.
I disagree I don’t see morty not being pissed
Had he killed his father himself he wouldn’t want to obey big e and had bug e allowed him the finishing blow he would have seen it as an insult
I said ANOTHER big part of his backstory. I never claimed he wasn't upset about the killsteal. Even in the "Paleking," Mortarian addresses the killsteal and how it bothered him. But on that same page he doesn't indulge himself on continuing the climb to finish the fight. He decides to go where he is tactically needed the most instead. Showing that it will always bother him, but that he doesn't let it control him. However, I'm suggesting that he does let the fact that he was too slow control him. An issue caused by the killsteal indirectly. @@dumbidea1007
Oh my God... He's just like me! For real!
Mortarion had such a Grudge against the Emperor, and not even for taking him away from his men like Angron, but saving him in a way that could've been done better. As you said, it was one hell of a Grudge, and Mortarion also hated Magic, is he a Fantasy Dwarf then?
Fantasy dwarves are also slow and tanky. Death guard don't have fancy beards though.
Still 4/5 isn't bad, I'd say yes, they are!
Imagine a rogue-like game where you play as Morty working your way up the mountain and whenever you lose it’s the Emperor teleporting you back down to the base and you lose all your equipment you found along the way
If I could make a book recommendation for seeing Nurgle in an interesting light, Plague Garden by Josh Reynolds is phenomenal. It’s an AoS novel that follows a redeemed Nurgle chasing a pirate daemon through the realms of the plague god.
Great vid as always!
redeemed nurgle? that sounds way too interesting. like how that could ever happen?
@@setiem13 he got hit really hard with a hammer
@@redpilldiogenes4741 Sounds about right.
The Death Guard, where health care insurance is a machete...
Seriously dude that is fucking funny as hell😂😂😂
Always thought the death guard was one of the most deadly legions with just there passive abilities that I feel are nerfed especially in terms of how their described to be so destructive and killing
I honestly never cared for the Death Guard due to their aesthetic, but I do understand the appeal. That being said, the last lore tidbit was utterly hilarious.
I feel like the most appealing yet least explored DG aesthetic is the demure gardener harbinger aesthetic. I want more bells and more cholera bushes.
So much for hating Warp Sorcery, eh, Morty?
Pretty accurate take. For me, Death Guards are basically the other end of the spectrum of the Iron Hands. Slow Moving, grind the foes into dust kinda strategy. Where Iron Hands slowly creeps in, hates their own flesh and using all kinds of range weaponry to deal damage on the enemies from afar. Death Guard slowly creeps in and uses short range and hated the flesh of the "Non gifted".
Basically, Juggernauts that both hates flesh. One hates it because it is flesh, one hates it because it's not fleshy and rotten enough. One has a knack for range, one has a knack for just get close by having close to a Stroll towards their destination.
DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE??!!!
For Karl!
Death Guard is my first army, still building them, but I picked them for the aesthetic and the silliness of Nurgle loving everyone. They just make me laugh, especially the nurglings
Death Guard is an awesome chaos faction and outside of the 1K Sons I always loved their death and decay aesthetic and I even run a Death Guard themed deck in MTG.
In contrast, I just cant seem to get into Mortarion. To Mortarion's credit, the Death Guard are the most coherent traitor legion that has been active.
However at the end of the day, Imo, The Emperor was right. It may have been his life struggle, but in the grand scheme of things if you live solely for revenge then thats a pretty wasted life. The Emperor had plans, and Mortarion was destined for bigger things.
Granted, the Emperor could have easily just told a HUGE white lie and said "if you follow me we will crush men like him a hundred times over and you can kill the problem at its true source"
That would of course crumble away and Mortarion would probably hate the Emperor anyways for lying...but thats kinda the whole thing with Morty. Dude is just too bitter
Morty is boring af, even angron is more interesting
He is just wasted potential. Look at Perty, he's bitter, petulent and brutal but they actually made him much more than that. Why couldn't they have made Mortarion like that. Perturabo was a flawed but interesting character. He's petty but that didn't define everything he did. Guilt also weighed down on him. He felt more interesting than whatever the fuck Morty's characterization
The Emperor planning to become a mummy and that's why he was an asshole to some of the Primarchs is cope and if GW makes it canon it would be incredibly stupid.
Turns out the totalitarian space dictator plays favorites between his experiments, treating some as sons and some as just tools. Big deal. People play favorites in real life, it doesn't have to be more complicated than that.
The Lords of Silence was such a gem of a book, I've been meaning to relisten to it.
The problem with a lot of Chaos primarchs backstories is that they usually scapegoat the emperor to justify the primarchs fall. IMO, this is a bullshit plot device. I really like Magnus the red as a primarch because his fall is largely his own fault, and the story recognizes it as such. Compare this to mortarion, who got his life SAVED by the emperor and then preceded to hold a grudge and become the very thing he hated.
"I know the Emperor don't miss that often ..." lol sure bud
I absolutely love the Death Guard minis. To me they are the perfect minis to learn how to paint on. You get large armor pieces. Huge skin pieces. Lots of boils, puss, wounds, etc. Tons of details.... they are amazing minis for being able to practice almost everything
That's a good point. It also must be pretty forgiving since they're supposed to be ratchet looking.
If you mess up a couple lines or details it wouldn't throw off the aesthetic as much as minis that have a lot of clean lines and more fine details
The first Space Marine Legion I was introduced to is the Night Lords and Conrad Kurze.
How do you paint them? More cartoonishly plague like or realistic plague aesthetic?
I paint them with neon open sores that leak out this glowing yellow/orange fluid.
It's pretty cool.
The thing is I’ve become more interesting in the old dusk raiders more than the death guard.
The flight of the Eisenstin book introduced a interesting idea of space marines legions that no-one really considers before the relationship/ culture clash between a primarch the original Terran born marines of the legion.
There actually was friction between the Terran born dusk raiders and the Barbarus death guard. The terrans saw them as savages and the barbarus people saw the terrans as weak and arrogant.
Who's better at totality? Russ? Angron? Or Mortarion? Prolly morty, but funny how he switched later on technically.
Morty is a beautiful butterfly 🦋🦋🦋 I kind of want him for ornamental purpose.
Mortarion was a real asshole. He wanted to do it alone. This time I think the Emperor was at least, reasonable. Mortarion failed, failed miserably in his attempt to kill his foster father. He could kill his foster father on his own nor would he accept any help.
He was too stubborn and petulant to be helped. The Emprah here just run out of patience and gave an early ultimatum.
I've found out about warhammer at the middle of the 8th edition and bought the death guard parts from 1 dark imperium, 2 know no fear and 3 first strike boxes, but because none of my friends got interested in 40k i sold it all since i had no one to play with, and words cannot describe how much i regret selling those miniatures.
Buy yourself new deathguard models and forget your regrets.
Honestly love the Death guard, besides Mortarion. The original recruits were drawn from old Albia which was the last city to fall under compliance to the Emperor during the Unification War, actual ending up joining due to the respect that the Emperor had to them cause they were able to hold off his forces for so long that big E actually resorted to diplomance. The original death guard, called the Dusk Raider took a large degree of their culture into the legion, however this was destroyed by Mortarion, who stripped any identity of the Dusk Raiders. Fun Fact, Albia was also the origin recruit origin of the Iron Hands and Night Lords meaning 1/6 of all the known legions (not counting two or eleven) can trace their origins back to Albia which in itself is really fucking cool.
I’m coming in seven months late because I was flashbanged by the phrase “The Emperor don’t miss too often,” because looking back this at golden sociopath makes him look like the Imperium’s drunk uncle giving them some cool alternative lifestyle while hiding the fact that they just doomed themselves to heroin addiction… love your content btw :)
I love the death guard, my favourite traitor legion. They're so funny. I just find them funny when I dont think too deeply about them. I just like to ignore the disease fact and think they purely kill from being so stinky.
Death guard is awesome and competent. Which is like the top tier (them and Iron warriors) among these lousy chaos marines.
Getting into 40k right now, and I did pick the death guard. Made my own warband called the Spinal Corps. A group of loyalists deathguard marines who were caught and turned into a barely sentient mush and left to die. But were later repurposed and made useful again by a couple of opportunistic plague surgeons.
Ah, the bloaty-stink lads
They do have a certain alluring aroma to them yes
Literally the best way the emperor could have made mortarion a loyalist would be to give him either a suit of power armour, purify the air around necare's mountain using psychic magics or I dunno, give him a magic sword or something
I am severely disappointed that we didnt get at least one Nic Cage "Not the Bees!" in this video
What do you take me for?
someone with a sense of humour?
8:28 DID I JUST HEAR A ROCK AND STONE ?!
Mushrüm
I mean he did the exact same thing to angron. Dude claims to want to preserve humanity but shows time and time again he has none of his own.
I really love the Death Guard in 30k more than 40k, and I think Mortarion the Pale King is one of the big reasons why. Just seeing this horrible, brutal campaign, and getting to see the effects of fucking Phosphex is one of those 'jesus christ, how horrifying' moments, and it's greeeeeeeeat, and they're my Horus Heresy army of choice for the 'oops all warcrimes' moments, behind Iron Warriors.
I can't believe you didn't mention too that Morty decided to build a 1-1 replica of the Imperial Palace on his new daemon world, but as a fuck you to The Emperor it's exactly 7 centimeters larger in all dimensions. I love this petty bitch.
Also Huron-Fal my beloved, too good for this setting.
Most other lore videos on Morty say that the Emperor first gave food and medicine to morty's people and then offered to help him kill the last overlord together. I don't know how you can interpret that as the Emperor screwing up.
But I never did read the books myself, so maybe I got a warped version of events.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Mortarion.
I have more respect for even Angron. Mortarion is far and away my least favorite primarch.
I don’t hate the Death Guard as a faction. I just despise their primarch.
What do you mean the emperror don't mess (miss?) that often? He fks up all the time, from the ban on chaos knowledge, which led to the whole mankind corruption, to being the shittiest dad in the universe.
“Look at him! His preferred weapon is gardening equipment!”🤣🤣🤣🤣 that was good. It does appear that the Emporer and Malcodor knew that the Primarchs would eventually rebel but they just didn’t know how it would go down. It can be argued that they’re KNOWLEDGE that it would happen, influenced their behavior towards the Primarchs, ENSURING it would happen. Self-Fulfilling prophecy kinda stuff…
I suspect primarchs falling to Chaos was part of the knowledge deal Big E did. Though I doubt numbers or names were discussed besides: Each chaos god gets one champion. So after finding the primarchs, the Emperor tried to push certain ones to Chaos while protecting others.
I love the death guard rules and concepts... I fucking hate their aesthetic... I run my death guard army as imperial fist successors who got stuck on a deathworld that got hit with one too many chemical weapons and so learned to survive and wield extreme chemical weapons...
like the death guard fighting tactic and name, but i like the dusk raiders color scheme better
I disagree I don’t see morty not being pissed
Had he killed his father himself he wouldn’t want to obey big e and had bug e allowed him the finishing blow he would have seen it as an insult
‘The light will come again!’ Xydias thunders.
And that, of all that has been claimed or boasted, is a genuine sorrow. It will never come again. There has not been light, genuine light, for ten thousand years. Vorx should know - he witnessed it, the original blaze of hope, being extinguished by the Doomed Warmaster at the behest of gods he now serves.
So this pain must end. This delusion must end. Better to prosper in darkness than batter away at some false dawn like a shroud-moth on a lantern.
8:27 did i hear a rock and stone??
I had only just read the Buried Dagger, it's a fun one which goes this in a fair bit of detail. I side with the Emperor on this one. Mortarion was fucking up, over and over again unable to do this. He had multiple ways to take down the Overlords, but only *his* way was going to work and it was stupid. The armor was untested and too expensive to mass produce, so only his best soldiers got them and wouldn’t you know it, they all died on the first assault.
The Emperor saved him and his people. Mortarion was too stubborn to accept the help and went into his death just to spite him, letting his people he supposedly cared for suffer.