Yeah Sose, you're right when you say people don't know how they'll react in drama. I had a bro that was a scrappy dude, tough as nails. I got shot during so.e drama and he stood there in a standing fetal position screaming, "Hey, hey, hey". The dude had been a boxer, and a good one at that, but when it came to the gunplay, he completely lost it! Anyhow, I was on my own disarming the guy, after being creased through the top of the head.
I am trying to understand something, that lifestyle is a choice, I get that, and if you living that lifestyle leads to harm to others that also chose that, I get it. No harm no foul. However,.. The activities that most MC are involved with end up hurting those that didn't choose that life, from actually straight up hurting civilians over perceived disrespect and other nonsense. As well as things like drug=gun running, prostitution, and theft. My question is this,.. why should anybody respect them? What they do,.. or the total disrespect they show hard-working lawful civilians? Fear is not an answer, I fear a rattlesnake too, I also respect it as what it is in not being anything but dangerous and having no value to society. But there is a major disconnect in logic here,.. THEY chose this life and they chose not follow societies rules,.. and are a blight upon society by their actions against it. Why should a society ever have anything but contempt for the MC lifestyle that is CHOSEN and inflicts harm upon the society that did NOT choose that lifestyle? While even asking you this may be viewed by you as disrespectful, it is because I am trying to find respect for those ion clubs that I even asked it,.. Frankly, I do not see a reason and fear doesn't cut it, I've known a few bikers in my years, some good, some bad and some I even called brother way back in the day, but you and I both know if you ride under a patch you will eventually get your hands dirty or you won't be riding under a patch very long,.. there simply is no such thing as an innocent outlaw biker, you seem a very intelligent man, you make videos and legal money and that's none of my business, I learned my lesson decades ago riding with the Iron Horsemen in Ohio who as a matter of business ran coke and meth all the way to Kentucky,.. when a distant cousin died from a coke overdose in the 80's , I helped run it in fact, I was out,.. out good. I am an old man now and far from the days of my irresponsible youth. within just a few years I had made my first million,..{ me back shortly after changing my life in this old repost of my first video I ever made },.. ruclips.net/video/-LfdYxW11HE/видео.html and even that lifestyle was about preying upon weakness I found in the business world,.. but not by force, not against society, and especially not against civilians,.. we all die eventually, so fear doesn't really apply in the area of respect,.. so tell me good sir why should the world have respect for people in a MC,.. I look forward to your honest answer.
Ive always found it ironic that these clubs started as a way for guys to rebel against an oppressive government and somehow kinda became the very thing they're rebelling against.
In the beginning, I think they just wanted to blow off steam, have some thrills that reminded them of their time in the military and feel some camaraderie. They were mostly having fun. Hollywood skewed their reality.
@@Protocol_17 They were formed by returned servicemen from WW2 as a support thing & in a effort to keep the feeling of camaraderie that they felt as a fighting unit.
Only when it works in their favor. Not the same 1% ers as they were when the initial clubs started out. Nowadays, there are so many phony warts that are lame af.
No club for me. I don’t like rules, I don’t like authority. If I break the law, it’s on me. No one to rat me out because there are no accomplices. I take care of my business and let other people take care of theirs.
Lol u say that 😂 but in a room full of bikers and u fukd up bad enough they wanna take ur bike your probably handing over that title quick asf. 1 vs 20+ odds say you would be the one in a bag lol
My daddy always said "Don't eve start a fight, but if one comes to you, don't ever run away." He also said "Fight to win, don'tfight fair". Lived my life like that.
I was told by my dad if I ever ran from a fight , I'd have a bigger fight when I got home and he meant it. Unfortunately the worst ass whipping I ever took was the day I had to fight my dad. Keep in mind theres no such thing as a fair fight.
They say everyone is out bad... The whole time they want you ignorant and following their ideas. Back in the day, out bad was when someone snitched. Now it's when you question things.
I was recently watching Secrets of the Hells Angels. They play the 911 recording of Sonny Barger asking for police assistance against his wife. Yes , you read right. He was allowed to keep his position although some brothers were against it. Hearing that is enough to keep me far away from joining any club.
What's wrong with that? He didn't want to hurt a woman, he was being respectful to her. It's better that the police come and take her, than for him to put hands on her
I'm not a biker, but some of these reasons make a lot of sense to me. I wouldn't try to sleep with a friend's girlfriend/wife. Nor would I steal from people that I considered to be family. Do you really want to trust someone who obviously has no integrity?
As someone who was an MP for 8 years then was a full patch member of the largest MC on the East coast for decades here’s the thing, once you leave the military you’re arresting power is gone, in reality I never arrested anyone, we usually detained soldiers, we had no authority over civilians and only dealt with other service members, my service assignments were NEVER a concern, military police are not the same as civilian police
Was a M.P. too, I assisted in an arrest once. But found out quick, how to avoid most paperwork. But you're right MP's are different then civilian LEO's. @5:36 And MC's should look at the DD214's and at least interview the veteran before they outright deny them. They could see my DD214 & See I'm no former big NCO, I'm no threatening Law Dog.. I worked some roads, I worked some gates, I worked in an AWOL facility. But I was only in like 3 years.. and i been out several years an did labor work. MC's shouldnt just say No to All military Ex police. I thought a few times on joining Legion riders of the American Legion. But I won't associate with any group that allows sex offenders an pedos. The American Legion and VFW allows anyone who is on the Sexual Offender Registry to join up, doesn't matter what the veterans do after being "Honorably Discharged." Suprised me the VfW an AL will take any veterans with General under Honorable or Honorably discharged no matter the civilian criminal records.
I turned in my prospect patch, because I couldn’t tolerate that “a brother”, sat in my car, calling my fiancé every bad name under the sun…… I left, with the status left. They asked every club in the area not to invite me, but couldn’t say why. After 3 years they started to spread rumors of me being out, still can’t say what I did “wrong”.
So what you're saying in a backhanded kind of way is, you exposed your girl to what you knew would be intense hazing by a club you wanted to be a part of, got butthurt and quit because a patched member didn't treat what you should have known he'd see as just another random gash with the level of respect that a PROSPECT demanded from him, and now you're mad and pissing sour grapes because they told the other clubs in the area that you unquestionably do NOT have what it takes to roll with an MC... sounds different when that tale's told from an angle that doesn't cater to your hurt feelings, doesn't it? Dude, this is literally why clubs prospect. You're checking them out as much as they're doing a deep dive on you, and a big part of that process involves finding out how much backbone you have. Your first fatal mistake was exposing your girl to this process... seriously, how the fuck did you think that was gonna go? From your own admission, you walked away because of mean words... exactly how do you think that made you look to this club, while they were vetting you? From where I sit, it looks like you told them you'd cut and run when things get ugly, instead of standing strong and having your club's back. Now before you get all pissed, I'm not saying I think you're a pussy... just making an observation of what your actions said to the club. You chose your girl over the club, which is all good if that works for you. It's clear that you and that club were a bad fit...maybe life in an MC just ain't what you want it to be. That's not necessarily a bad thing for you or the club, it just is what it is.
Money..... Just like the mob. You can be a small, guy who isn't physically intimidating, your no good in a fight, but you earn and you make the club a lot of cash, you're brothers will protect you in any fight and they will want you out of there as quick as possible because they want the money guy to stay safe. If someone threatens the money guy that person will have a bad time.
This is pretty true. I remember that as a Bouncer I’ve seen guys get punkEd and I was pretty surprised. I was surprised because you see some guy looking like he’s pretty high ranked and respected, running from a brawl. I’ve heard though the money thing is a big qualifier. But I don’t have any sources to confirm it.
Probably just trying to swell their numbers. Focusing on quantity over quality.
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Something tells that a lot of "brothers" will indeed sleep with a brother's old lady if the brother is of a lower status in the club. Just another example in many in how the word "Brotherhood" doesn't actually have near enough the weight that MC's make it out to be.
Depends on the club . Or if the brother brings the other up at church . Of course , sometimes a brother might give her to another brother . Every brother from the same mc doesn't think alike . Some have multiple girlfriends . Or maybe they have a property patch on one & decide she no longer deserves it , so he takes it & gives it to one that does ...maybe a brother & his wife are swingers ? See what I mean ? You'd be surprised on the things you see around this lifestyle 😂😂 my brother & his wife were swingers for 5 years before he came to the mc . She backed away from the swingers lifestyle 2 years before the mc . But he didn't . And they were both good with it . She changed her mind right after the mc because their new lifestyle . Long story short , he gifted her to me . I had property of her for just over a year . Then I gave him the property back & married my girlfriend of 7 years...I wasn't forced to give her back , but my girlfriend was jealous of her , so I figured I'd make things simple for everyone . So she moved on ...3 weeks after I kicked her back down . She left the brother & hooked up with some lame in a "clean & sober mc " 😂😂😂😂
@@rickconley9660 It sounds like you’re the lame one to me. I wouldn’t have sex with a brother’s old lady even if he approved of it. It’s a matter of having respect for others even when you can take advantage of circumstances. Aside from that, I wouldn’t want his sloppy seconds anyway. When you kissed her or went down on her, you might as well have been sucking him off.
@blnunya6689 here you are making a comment on something you know nothing about . You trying to be a tuff guy or an intelligent guy ? Either way , it's not working . Maybe your one of those bully cops who need handcuffs so you can push people around without getting hurt ? I bet your a wife beater ? Ex service member who held down a desk because field stripping a weapon had too many parts for ya ? Why you listen to a biker channel about the mc life , then try to act like your above the biker lifestyle ? Is it because you have a "village people " fetish and big men in leather make you wanna give WMCA hummers ??? Come on killa , let it out & free your Feminist side ...lmfao
#GHOSTIN, hey Sose, I haven't been watching for a while. But like today I'm watching many of your videos and like always I'm picking up good tips on how to handle meeting MC's and especially 1%er clubs. Thank you for the lessons. I just turned 73 on May 10th and like they say, old dogs CAN learn. Ride safe Sir.
I was in one of the 1% of clubs.I had a $27000 Indian chief silver cloud.I got news if anybody I gotta go and they're keeping my bike there would have been a lot of dead bodies I didn't let even a dude sit on the bike with it parked If they touched it, I told him to take their hands off.That was my biggest no. way in hell
I hear the whole "signing your title over when you patch" thing is less and less common. With bikes now running 20k+, insisting on that only seems like a good way to have no one want to prospect
I went back home to Hawaii this past February. Coming back to Washington, someone working at Honolulu International stopped me, cause I was wearing my Patch. She asked me if I knew so and so in our gang. I replied you mean our motorcycle club. Then she said, oh yeah club. I didn’t know where she was coming from. Automatically I didn’t trust her. We’re a Club not a gang I told her and you should know better. I’m an older Brother, and I scold them if I gotta. Keep up the good work Ghost Man. Peace
Why would anyone want to be in a club if there is all that kind of drama? I've been looking at a fam club to get into. Is that the same sh.t in family style clubs?
100% Been there done that. Non 1%er clubs have less rules, which actually attract losers who need friends, that can't be had otherwise. Then the drama begins ...Members not contributing, or participating, jealousy, backbiting, troublemaking.....the list goes on. FTS!
My boy Johnny was prospecting for a start up, wannabe diamond club when he caught his ol' lady with the prez. he quit the club but it cost him a beating, his bike and his ol' lady... she became club property until the club folded... Johnny moved out of state, status unknown... great subject.
So if i see a biker chick,donning that PROPERTY OF (insert MC title) patch on her,she's ultimately a "pass around"? I thought hoes should have standards atleast. 😅
I like your show n watch it alot I’ve become friends with a club in Canada same one your in I love the culture I love the brotherhood u give many tips on showing the club respect and get reset SYLO all the way
I was prospecting for a 3 piece club almost getting their diamonds. About 3 months in I found out the Prez use to be a NYPD officer. The next church I walked in even though prospects weren’t allowed in and took my cut off and put it on the table and said I seen pictures and articles about him as a cop and I will not put my life on the line for a cop that is hiding it. They said that he got a pass and blessed bc he was dirty or something and I said okay that don’t make it better. Actually makes it worse bc you’re telling me that he can’t stand up to his one oath as a cop so what makes him stand up to our oath. I said that it’s absolutely ZERO tolerance for LEOs. How do yall know that it was his job to get the trust by being dirty and that everything is being documented and in 3 years or so everyone has a case from what he orders out. I said no real outlaw or diamond would ever accept that. I put my whole damn cut on the table. Didn’t just cut the patches off and walked outta church and never spoke to any of them again. They tried telling other clubs I was a bad out but they knew why I did it already 7:49 and agreed with me.
I remember guys buying junk parts bikes that barely ran and they prospected on cheap shortsters just to keep their custom 40-60k bike from being taken ! seen guys even loose their house to a club ! in the end a few lost the expensive bike and the junk bike cause the clubs would say what bike did you want to run if we took you in ?
The whole idea of taking a man's bike, especially in a culture where that machine is so highly prized and respected seems nuts to me. Like, I don't care if you're a prospect, a hang around or a 20 year member, the club doesn't own your bike so who tf are they to take your shit, even if you're out bad? The only case where I could see taking a bike being justified is for stealing. I'm not a big guy and I don't consider myself a tough guy by any means, but unless you're my old lady, one of my kids or my mechanic, there is absolutely no reason for you to ever touch my bike. Who you are and what you do will definitely determine my response, but I will never not handle someone touching my shit.
There was only one MC member who I felt got a raw deal for calling the police. This guy, a fully patched member, had a nephew who killed a jewler and his whole family after robbing them (,in Michigan IIRC). He bragged about it to his uncle. Like you say, usually they handle situations like that themselves, but this gut was family unfortunately for him. He was in a "damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't situation, so he dropped a dime on his nephew. Publicly, his MC said his nephew deserved to be ratted on. Privately, they subtly forced him to leave the MC. Not sure if he was in bad standing though. Probably.
But on the other hand, it might be a bad idea to call because the fire could have started in a lab or grow room, ...places you don't want firefighters snooping around. You know what I mean by "lab" and "grow room", lol
Crazy they would deny a guy for being Military Police. MPs were on the front lines with us in Iraq, sweeping for mines, handling enemy prisoners of war, lighting up the bad guys. I trusted those guys with my life. Their role has evolved since the old days. They don't just sit on base and bust drunk drivers anymore. They're out on missions even ahead of the Grunts lots of times.
I'm a bit confused on this video. Title says "take your motorcycle " but every topic concludes woth being "out bad". When did the motorcycle get taken?
Military police to 1% isn’t really an impossible thing. It would probably just depend on each club and their discretion. I just know plenty of guys that were MP’s when I was in, and a few of them are 1% now. I don’t ask them how. It’s their business, not mine.
We’re not all Blue Flacons. Some of us learned from being in that life. The cops ruined my life for awhile after I got out & the insanity from all the death(both down range & in garrison). I got forced into being a cage kicker at the USDB & later after deployment when I got PCS across post got to respond to terrible murders, countless suicides & child abuse that is unparalleled. Fuck that shit! I wanted to help people not see the dirty underside of the military & what happens to soldiers that got pushed beyond their limits. All for nothing too. Smh
We tend to think that way but that isn't how people as a whole think. When I finished school almost 30 years ago and got my first full time job, the first thing that happened was complete strangers start complaining that it's "not fair" that I "have money" and start plotting to steal and vandalize everything I worked for. People are losers. Individuals can be thoughtful and worthwhile, but people as a species are pretty shitty.
What are the rules for a MC member traveling alone on his bike? I saw a Hells Angel Member that looked fully patched today on the freeway alone. Every time I’ve seen the MC club riding they’ve always had other members with them whether it’s 2 to 50 you would think it would not feel safe riding alone. My other question is if they choose to write a loan is the clubs OK without them wearing the patches so they are not, showing membership and they are just a motorcycle rider going on a destination what’s your thoughts?
That goes for anywhere! Pussy ain't worth that shit! She comes crying to me🤕HE HIT ME!! I SAY WELL IM SORRY SWEETY BUT YOU SHOULD TRY LISTENING THEN!😱🤣
Sounds more like fear than respect. The general idea is you're not supposed to shag other people's spouses! It has nothing to do with "brotherhood" or some such shit. You probably aren't too keen on the idea of getting somebody else's herpes or gonorrhea so why would you want to give yours to somebody else?
I got a question bro so I was at a bike night the other night and a guy came up handing out flyers for a party their club was having. I noticed that he had the 3 piece patch on his back with the Connecticut bottom rocker, so I'm assuming they've had a sit down and have been blessed by the bigger CT clubs. So my thing is this club is made up of all current and retired police officers??? I kinda feel like they haven't been blessed and they are just doing what every they want because they are all cops, kinda a messed up situation.
If you are a criminal and try to get out , you deserve respect. If you are a criminal and join a violent gang, you DON"T! Harming innocent people, even it is selling them drugs or stealing is BAD.
We used to say don't let your head get to big for your hat. A friend joined a MC and he went through Prospecting for 6 months. When he got his patch it went to his head. At the? First party he was at he got drunk and our control.His brother's tried to calm him but he only fought with them ended up putting him all bad for fighting with club members😊
I bought a bike for the freedom it provides. An MC would be counterintuitive. I'm not interacting with clubs unless it's a simple, civil conversation. Don't want to hear about their rules or their indoctrinations.
Once again u on point I've experienced alot of what u said and to 💯 politics is the main one. I respect u all the way and can't wait to see the George Cristie interview. He has alot of knowledge. Stay safe stay healthy stay blessed brother
Demons row, what if someone was a security guard who just patrolled apartment buildings 25 years ago as a teenager to make money for college, does that make a person ineligible to be considered for a m.c.
Man, your jewelry is lit! Everytime! I wish I could create stuff like that🙌🏼 I hope I don't step on your shoes with my question, I just started gem cutting last year and got really hooked up by it😅
@@DemonsRow the chain is totally fire🙌🏼...your rings are dope too...the pink stone, such a beauty...I heired a lot raw stuff from mom back in the day...had it laying around for 8 years before I decided to start✊🏼...not that young anymore tbh...hitting 39 in a few week😅
I am a CO...and I ride. I ride with a few other CO's. When I say a few...I mean a few. I dont hang with people who use their title as a sign of strength. I have been doing this for 22 years and I do not mess with staff who think the title of a CO makes them more then they are. To me its a job and that it all.
I have no personal history with a club taking a motorcycle but a hard core 1%er who is a friend of mine has said it happens. "If a hang-around or prospect wastes our time, we kick him out and take his bike."
So, has your "cool" loser friend ever been shot for stealing something that another person worked very hard for? Remember kids, motor vehicles are REGISTERED for a reason. Even if you tried to join a gang, your bike is your because you bought it and registered it. It doesn't become Joe Gangsta's personal property simply because he absconded with it.
I was a 12 year supporter of a Dimond club if I was in the bar and something went down I fought and after it was done I left with the club members. I was asked 3 times in that time to probate but at the time I was not able to give the club what it required other than being a loyal supporter.
No disrespect to you but why? As it's been said before, if something happens they aren't going to have you. I mean they might back you in a little fight or something but they aren't going to have your back like you had there's. At the end of the day you are just supporting them. I've never quite understood this
The club I was in was all military veterans and we had a strict no cops, no CO's, no MP's rule. MP rule honestly never made sense since we were all out, but I think that was pushed down on us by the local dominant since they viewed MP's as basically cops. In terms of CO's and cops, it's a conflict of interest. You're putting someone in a place where either way they are betraying something they shouldn't betray. As a cop/CO, you take a solemn oath. As a patched MC member you also make an oath/agreement to be committed to the club. If some shit jumps off, you're betraying one or the other. If someone is willing to betray their solemn word, then I don't trust them. If they betray one promise, they'll betray another. The way I see it is that you make choices in life. If you choose to be a cop/CO then that's your decision and I'm cool with that. But don't be a cop/CO and then be an outlaw biker...that's a separate choice that's a divergent path. When you decide a course for your life, be proud of it and be loyal to it.
Sounds like an outdated policy. The role of MPs in the GWOT is totally different. Can't' even count how many MPs I saw get blown up, wounded and killed just so truck convoys could use the supply routes without getting ambushed. You'd have to be crazy to not want these guys watching your 6. I can't respect any club who would turn them away.
Yeah, see, what you’re talking about is having a set of values and living by them, and I like that. Too few of us do that these days. Too many borrow the values of others until it’s not convenient anymore and then switch. Defining a set of core values probably saved my life. I recite them every day, if only in my head most of the time, but they are my compass. Unless a person is an absolute idiot, living by a set of authentic values should keep them pretty much out of trouble and in respect because being authentic means you probably won’t be where you shouldn’t be. You have to look deep to find this kind of value system. It’s not for pussies. It requires a painful kind of honesty. I’d trust an outlaw that’s done that kind of work and lives by a set of values long before I’d trust a 99 that hadn’t and doesn’t.
@@paulmarkey613 yes, but the war wasn't everything and MP's do arrests, investigations, all sorts of LE work when they are back in garrison. Yes, there are "combat MP" units from the GWOT, but nobody has the time to go through and vet every veteran's every duty station. There was also the local dominant to consider. Our local 1% dominant club was a large, international club with a heavy presence and they were adamant about no cops/CO's. They didn't want our club to let guys like me join because we were security contractors to State Department. Our leadership had to sit down with them and explain that contracting to DSS didn't make us cops. Ultimately, politics may play a big role in a small club's rules. In our area, the local dominant is international, well-known and had three different chapters that covered areas that our members rode/lived in. From my understanding (I was never club leadership), the politics were a nightmare because sometimes what one chapter of the 1% wanted wasn't what another wanted and our leadership would have to do multiple meetings/sitdowns to hash things out. At the same time, none of the dominant chapters really wanted to create a beef with guys that were mostly ex-combat arms/SOCOM and about half of whom were still very current on skills (working as high-risk contractors and what not). On the other hand, we were way too small (8-14 members at any given time, spread over a very large area) to threaten them or do our own thing without putting everyone at undue risk. In this case, the dominant said 'no MP's', our own club was generally speaking all combat arms (infantry/artillery/cavalry/armor) and prior SOCOM, so we said whatever, not worth the trouble.
Been on 2's for 40 years. Only had a chance to prospect for 3 clubs. I wont name them but, 1 is out of Stockton, Ca. 1 is out of East Bay area of Ca. 1 was from South Carolina. All good dudes, still talk and ride with some today. I wont prospect or join or rock a support because of a few things you mentioned, but mostly because I'm selfish. I'm selfish with my time, with my ability, selfish with my contacts. When I ride with these guys, when I party with these guys, I see how they are not selfish with any of these things with their brothers. I cant offer that. We can still be friends and acquaintances, I just would not be the Brother they deserve. So we just ride!
So let’s say you’re car gets stolen or house gets robbed; you can’t file a police report, so you can’t claim insurance, so you can’t be an adult, so you can’t prioritise your children’s best interests ? Or am I missing something?
Yo if you could land an interview with Chuck Zito from the 81 NYC chapter…. That video would blow up like no tomorrow !!! Love the channel! I’m a new sub, haven’t rode in almost 12 years but your videos made me want to get back on my Harley
Another side note... as a child i was exposed to different clubs...my mother was friends with a couple of guys from H.A. and I'll always remember one of the guys giving me a ride to school and dropped me off in front of the school...no kids ever messed with me 😅😅😅...this was back in the early 80s in California...and I always remembered those times
Politics is one of the reasons why I got out, but the 300-400 miles across state lines for regionals/nationals was very tiring after awhile and I just wanted to ride with no destination in mind. As a former treasurer, I was asked if I was stealing and I was like really, so my 60k annual salary makes me want to steal from my brothers um ok... I experienced a thief in a club which was dealt with immediately. The brotherhood is not the same as it used to be 10 years ago
@@jasonreed4143 2 wheels and a motor is a bike, no matter what model or cc. I dont care if you on a 150cc scooter, a grom or a road glide, all biker family!
I remember similar stuff happening like this going back to the 60s turned up to a weekend of bike racing and a few members wanted the forks or front end off my mates Kawasaki Z900 they never got to take it thank god
Wanna go down a rabbit hole look up organ donation and summer bike events and look into the producers of SOA and their connection to organ transplants business.
I was put out on bad standing. The P lied and made up a story that I was conspiring to put another brother out. It was an easy way for him to get the support of the other brother. I was then put out on bad. The real reason that brothers get put out on bad is so that they cannot then put their side of the story to the other chapters as they are now ex communicated
My brother got out bad from his MC bc the Prez wanted the club to be more affiliated with a 1% club. The 1% club wanted everyone's background info and everything about everyone in my brothers club. So when my brother refused, saying all the checks his club did was no other clubs business, they kicked him out bad.
@DemonsRow that's pretty much what I figured. The way he saw it, was his papers were already looked into by his MC and didn't like another MC he's not a part of looking into him either. His MC was a combat veteran MC, so he felt that if he'd been cleared before, then this other club had no business looking at their members. So they got him out bad.
Kind of reminds me of the poor kids in E. L.A. All they know are joining a street gang, getting jumped in, getting shot, shooting a rival gangbanger and looking forward to the day they are arrested for murder and sent to prison, all for "street cred". What a low bar for a good life... ☆
My uncle bought a Harley at a police auction awhile back and it had some custom paint and skulls on the bike. A club stole the bike from him because it was confiscated from the club by the police.
I 1000% dont consider Military Police the same as real police. Like maybe the CID in the Army but your standard Master At Arms in the Navy is literally just patrolling the base, checking IDs at the gate, things like that. Like more security than actual police on the civilian side. I can see why clubs would draw that line out of precaution etc but personally I just cant relate the two like that. Im actually shocked that a club would accept COs over military police.
I was a Grunt in the Army…as a rider just learning about the culture, I am confused about the idea of active duty or even reserve and national guard committing to a club. We swear an oath, of entire self, when we enlist. I would wonder how he could swear an oath to a club at the same time. If he gets called up, that means he cannot put a club brother over a service brother/squadmate. Even if he is honest to the Oath, if it came down to a fellow serviceman or a club brother, he ain’t supposed to put the club brother first, ever. Not to be obtuse, just drawing on the philosophy of the two Oaths. You would never, as a club brother, ever be sure he ALWAYS has yer back, or at least living conflicted. Again, just an observation of an avid rider, veteran. I truly am not disparaging any of the culture. I love the road and am fascinated about the men I consider my ancestors to the Oath. Peace and respect.🫡🙏I enjoy the knowledge you impart on this channel and the real conversation you offer for those wishing to honor and consider the tradition. Peace and…”We GHOSTIN’, babyyy!”🤟🏽😝👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🙏🤟🏽🙏🫡
Bull shot bruh. I’ve been arrested by MPs for the same shit civie cops arrest for. MPs are cops on steroids. Full of themselves and loyal to no one but other MPs. I knew an MP personally once. He went to his recruiter and said “ya know Sgt, I really really want to be a Marine……but I also really really hate Marines.” Recruiter said “say no more fam, ever hear of military Police?”
MPs are basically just security guards for the base; but they get deployed on real shit these days too. They were in Iraq and Afghanistan same as the grunts ( and didn't just sit on base either, they went into the shit.) They aren't the same as a civilian cop in any regard.
Military police can arrest members of the public depending on the situation. There are civilians that live on military bases or if they happen to be present when a serious crime is happening they can intervene. They can also make arrests if someone is deemed a threat to national security (espionage, terrorism) etc.
Off topic- did you purposely line up your medallion to look like it's the head of your artwork on your tshirt? Lol. Interesting video. I have a couple of quick questions, what happens if the prospects lady says no to the patched guy hitting on her? Would the prospect get in trouble for that too? Does she have a choice?
Could the club start up a sou-sou where they put a little cash together every week for a different brother? This way stealing is not even thought of because every brother knows that his week will come up soon.
Man that comment about p and vp gettin together to skim off the top hits 100% true, its so far out there I thought maybe my set would be the only ones to see something like that, not only that they got together on a fake Dimond, recruited and claimed it was cleared and ll good to go. It's hard for the ones true to the patch and the life to come back from stuff like this. Over $200,000 in four years and none of us saw it happening, also don't let you p or vp be treasurer there's no reason for it they already have a position.
Heres why there is Hang around status,Prospect status and Full Patch status.You know what is expected of you and you also know that Loyalty is #1.Most Out Bad is the Power Struggle,
Ive heard from a friend before from a famous 1% club was on a ride with a brother and a bunch of opposition 1% club pulled up nd my friends so called brother rode off and left him thats a rat move in my opinion
I was in Oakland County Jail in Michigan. COs have absolutely no authority on the street, period. If they want to write a ticket, they have to call a deputized officer, Oakland County Sheriffs Deputy. To write that ticket. Street cop.
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Yeah Sose, you're right when you say people don't know how they'll react in drama. I had a bro that was a scrappy dude, tough as nails. I got shot during so.e drama and he stood there in a standing fetal position screaming, "Hey, hey, hey". The dude had been a boxer, and a good one at that, but when it came to the gunplay, he completely lost it! Anyhow, I was on my own disarming the guy, after being creased through the top of the head.
@@borobinson7005dont you have to be white to joing the hells angels
I am trying to understand something, that lifestyle is a choice, I get that, and if you living that lifestyle leads to harm to others that also chose that, I get it.
No harm no foul.
However,..
The activities that most MC are involved with end up hurting those that didn't choose that life, from actually straight up hurting civilians over perceived disrespect and other nonsense.
As well as things like drug=gun running, prostitution, and theft.
My question is this,.. why should anybody respect them? What they do,..
or the total disrespect they show hard-working lawful civilians?
Fear is not an answer, I fear a rattlesnake too, I also respect it as what it is in not being anything but dangerous and having no value to society.
But there is a major disconnect in logic here,.. THEY chose this life and they chose not follow societies rules,.. and are a blight upon society by their actions against it.
Why should a society ever have anything but contempt for the MC lifestyle that is CHOSEN and inflicts harm upon the society that did NOT choose that lifestyle?
While even asking you this may be viewed by you as disrespectful, it is because I am trying to find respect for those ion clubs that I even asked it,..
Frankly, I do not see a reason and fear doesn't cut it, I've known a few bikers in my years, some good, some bad and some I even called brother way back in the day, but you and I both know if you ride under a patch you will eventually get your hands dirty or you won't be riding under a patch very long,.. there simply is no such thing as an innocent outlaw biker, you seem a very intelligent man, you make videos and legal money and that's none of my business, I learned my lesson decades ago riding with the Iron Horsemen in Ohio who as a matter of business ran coke and meth all the way to Kentucky,.. when a distant cousin died from a coke overdose in the 80's , I helped run it in fact, I was out,.. out good.
I am an old man now and far from the days of my irresponsible youth.
within just a few years I had made my first million,..{ me back shortly after changing my life in this old repost of my first video I ever made },.. ruclips.net/video/-LfdYxW11HE/видео.html and even that lifestyle was about preying upon weakness I found in the business world,.. but not by force, not against society, and especially not against civilians,.. we all die eventually, so fear doesn't really apply in the area of respect,.. so tell me good sir why should the world have respect for people in a MC,.. I look forward to your honest answer.
Bunch of larps including this guy
Ive always found it ironic that these clubs started as a way for guys to rebel against an oppressive government and somehow kinda became the very thing they're rebelling against.
In the beginning, I think they just wanted to blow off steam, have some thrills that reminded them of their time in the military and feel some camaraderie. They were mostly having fun. Hollywood skewed their reality.
Well said
@@Protocol_17 They were formed by returned servicemen from WW2 as a support thing & in a effort to keep the feeling of camaraderie that they felt as a fighting unit.
The drug business took over the motorcycle gangs
Weak minded individuals with no singular autonomy, happier submitting to group think.
For a bunch of grown men that hate rules and authority they seem to have a lot them.
Only when it works in their favor. Not the same 1% ers as they were when the initial clubs started out. Nowadays, there are so many phony warts that are lame af.
TRUE
I've always thought this, too
Nominated for 'Comment of The Year' award! 😀
The prospect experience has got to be the most degradng process
No club for me. I don’t like rules, I don’t like authority. If I break the law, it’s on me. No one to rat me out because there are no accomplices. I take care of my business and let other people take care of theirs.
100%
And that my find is what makes u a true outlaw
@@murfmurf4899 Not sure if it makes me a true outlaw, but it’s the way I always operated. Life is simpler that way.
@@FriedPi-mc5yt yup
@@FriedPi-mc5yt Amen, no one to answer to but yourself.
Ain't no way your taking my bike. One of us is going home in a body bag
on god
Respect.
Lol u say that 😂 but in a room full of bikers and u fukd up bad enough they wanna take ur bike your probably handing over that title quick asf. 1 vs 20+ odds say you would be the one in a bag lol
@@elijahwise8223 rather be dead in a ditch than labeled a bitch…
Not me tho take my shit I’ll keep my life.
@elijahwise8223 everyone sleeps. Fire is lethal.
My daddy always said "Don't eve start a fight, but if one comes to you, don't ever run away." He also said "Fight to win, don'tfight fair". Lived my life like that.
My Dad taught me the same thing Before he died! But His Caveat was if you lose; We train for a week or 2 & go back & fight them again.
My dad said learn to run… getting punched in the face hurts
@@Phuq_it your dad was a pussy.
I was told by my dad if I ever ran from a fight , I'd have a bigger fight when I got home and he meant it. Unfortunately the worst ass whipping I ever took was the day I had to fight my dad. Keep in mind theres no such thing as a fair fight.
Your "Father" must've been a comedian because those two quotes don't coincide with the other. It's contradictory.
They say everyone is out bad... The whole time they want you ignorant and following their ideas.
Back in the day, out bad was when someone snitched. Now it's when you question things.
So true
Imagine loosing your bike to some moronic MC club 😂
They take your bike behind your back like pussies with out confronting you 1st like men
You got old timers with 30 40 50 years Kicked Out Bad over some BS rule.
I miss those days. Society is filled with rat bastards. Integrity is a lost value.
Treating a prospect like that about his woman.....and then expecting this family like loyalty from him, no less. There are no words.
1:52 "If your house gets robbed and you call the police, they consider that calling the police"🤔 I'm glad you cleared that up for everyone🤗
I was recently watching Secrets of the Hells Angels. They play the 911 recording of Sonny Barger asking for police assistance against his wife. Yes , you read right. He was allowed to keep his position although some brothers were against it. Hearing that is enough to keep me far away from joining any club.
What's wrong with that? He didn't want to hurt a woman, he was being respectful to her. It's better that the police come and take her, than for him to put hands on her
It’s against their rules is the point he is trying to make but yet when other club brothers brought it up at (church) they ended up being put out bad!
I'm not a biker, but some of these reasons make a lot of sense to me. I wouldn't try to sleep with a friend's girlfriend/wife. Nor would I steal from people that I considered to be family. Do you really want to trust someone who obviously has no integrity?
truth
But that's not how it was portrayed in Sons of Anarchy. That's how I got all my legit MC knowledgeable!
@@cmorgan0730 LMAO!
@@cmorgan0730 don’t forget about the Mayans show 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@cmorgan0730 😂🤣
As someone who was an MP for 8 years then was a full patch member of the largest MC on the East coast for decades here’s the thing, once you leave the military you’re arresting power is gone, in reality I never arrested anyone, we usually detained soldiers, we had no authority over civilians and only dealt with other service members, my service assignments were NEVER a concern, military police are not the same as civilian police
I agree plus military is honorable
Was a M.P. too, I assisted in an arrest once. But found out quick, how to avoid most paperwork. But you're right MP's are different then civilian LEO's. @5:36
And MC's should look at the DD214's and at least interview the veteran before they outright deny them. They could see my DD214 & See I'm no former big NCO, I'm no threatening Law Dog.. I worked some roads, I worked some gates, I worked in an AWOL facility. But I was only in like 3 years.. and i been out several years an did labor work. MC's shouldnt just say No to All military Ex police.
I thought a few times on joining Legion riders of the American Legion. But I won't associate with any group that allows sex offenders an pedos. The American Legion and VFW allows anyone who is on the Sexual Offender Registry to join up, doesn't matter what the veterans do after being "Honorably Discharged."
Suprised me the VfW an AL will take any veterans with General under Honorable or Honorably discharged no matter the civilian criminal records.
I served and though I never wanted to join I was always treated with great respect. More than even by civilians
I turned in my prospect patch, because I couldn’t tolerate that “a brother”, sat in my car, calling my fiancé every bad name under the sun…… I left, with the status left. They asked every club in the area not to invite me, but couldn’t say why. After 3 years they started to spread rumors of me being out, still can’t say what I did “wrong”.
So what you're saying in a backhanded kind of way is, you exposed your girl to what you knew would be intense hazing by a club you wanted to be a part of, got butthurt and quit because a patched member didn't treat what you should have known he'd see as just another random gash with the level of respect that a PROSPECT demanded from him, and now you're mad and pissing sour grapes because they told the other clubs in the area that you unquestionably do NOT have what it takes to roll with an MC... sounds different when that tale's told from an angle that doesn't cater to your hurt feelings, doesn't it? Dude, this is literally why clubs prospect. You're checking them out as much as they're doing a deep dive on you, and a big part of that process involves finding out how much backbone you have. Your first fatal mistake was exposing your girl to this process... seriously, how the fuck did you think that was gonna go? From your own admission, you walked away because of mean words... exactly how do you think that made you look to this club, while they were vetting you? From where I sit, it looks like you told them you'd cut and run when things get ugly, instead of standing strong and having your club's back. Now before you get all pissed, I'm not saying I think you're a pussy... just making an observation of what your actions said to the club. You chose your girl over the club, which is all good if that works for you. It's clear that you and that club were a bad fit...maybe life in an MC just ain't what you want it to be. That's not necessarily a bad thing for you or the club, it just is what it is.
I’ve seen guys from clubs run when a fight breaks out. I made fun of them when they came back to the bar. Why would a club want anyone like that.
Same bro 😎 vast majority are fat alcoholic f uck ups. I have talked shit 💩 right to their face multiple times and they did nothing. Hahahaha 😂
Money..... Just like the mob. You can be a small, guy who isn't physically intimidating, your no good in a fight, but you earn and you make the club a lot of cash, you're brothers will protect you in any fight and they will want you out of there as quick as possible because they want the money guy to stay safe. If someone threatens the money guy that person will have a bad time.
@@wakinyanredwolf6949 who pays you will influence your politics more than anything else in life
This is pretty true. I remember that as a Bouncer I’ve seen guys get punkEd and I was pretty surprised. I was surprised because you see some guy looking like he’s pretty high ranked and respected, running from a brawl. I’ve heard though the money thing is a big qualifier. But I don’t have any sources to confirm it.
Probably just trying to swell their numbers. Focusing on quantity over quality.
Something tells that a lot of "brothers" will indeed sleep with a brother's old lady if the brother is of a lower status in the club. Just another example in many in how the word "Brotherhood" doesn't actually have near enough the weight that MC's make it out to be.
I agree
Depends on the club . Or if the brother brings the other up at church . Of course , sometimes a brother might give her to another brother . Every brother from the same mc doesn't think alike . Some have multiple girlfriends . Or maybe they have a property patch on one & decide she no longer deserves it , so he takes it & gives it to one that does ...maybe a brother & his wife are swingers ? See what I mean ? You'd be surprised on the things you see around this lifestyle 😂😂 my brother & his wife were swingers for 5 years before he came to the mc . She backed away from the swingers lifestyle 2 years before the mc . But he didn't . And they were both good with it . She changed her mind right after the mc because their new lifestyle . Long story short , he gifted her to me . I had property of her for just over a year . Then I gave him the property back & married my girlfriend of 7 years...I wasn't forced to give her back , but my girlfriend was jealous of her , so I figured I'd make things simple for everyone . So she moved on ...3 weeks after I kicked her back down . She left the brother & hooked up with some lame in a "clean & sober mc " 😂😂😂😂
@@rickconley9660
It sounds like you’re the lame one to me. I wouldn’t have sex with a brother’s old lady even if he approved of it. It’s a matter of having respect for others even when you can take advantage of circumstances. Aside from that, I wouldn’t want his sloppy seconds anyway. When you kissed her or went down on her, you might as well have been sucking him off.
@@rickconley9660 Property patch...what a bunch of clowns.
@blnunya6689 here you are making a comment on something you know nothing about . You trying to be a tuff guy or an intelligent guy ? Either way , it's not working . Maybe your one of those bully cops who need handcuffs so you can push people around without getting hurt ? I bet your a wife beater ? Ex service member who held down a desk because field stripping a weapon had too many parts for ya ? Why you listen to a biker channel about the mc life , then try to act like your above the biker lifestyle ? Is it because you have a "village people " fetish and big men in leather make you wanna give WMCA hummers ??? Come on killa , let it out & free your Feminist side ...lmfao
I’m from the Bronx , win , loose , or draw. Stand up like a man.
When I get my first bike I’m riding solo that way so I can avoid conflict
Smart
Subscriber here in New Zealand, interesting to see many clips in this video of NZ bike patches.
#GHOSTIN, hey Sose, I haven't been watching for a while. But like today I'm watching many of your videos and like always I'm picking up good tips on how to handle meeting MC's and especially 1%er clubs. Thank you for the lessons. I just turned 73 on May 10th and like they say, old dogs CAN learn. Ride safe Sir.
#Ghostin. I'm a Total and Permanent Disabled veteran. Happy Memorial Day to all my Vet Brothers.
#ghostin
The fuck does that have to do with anything? Jesus
Has to do with Memorial Day and Veterans ya simple fk. Show respect ya get respect. Ya like dus respecting veterans huh
Me too brother, cheers 🍻 Fuck the world!
@@nsparacinoSay that to me fucker! Im in Milwaukee. Cage, ring or local park, pick one fucker!
Setting up a member with a false accusation of theft, to oust them and steal their bikes is common practice in certain 1% clubs. It's an old trick.
I was in one of the 1% of clubs.I had a $27000 Indian chief silver cloud.I got news if anybody I gotta go and they're keeping my bike there would have been a lot of dead bodies I didn't let even a dude sit on the bike with it parked If they touched it, I told him to take their hands off.That was my biggest no.
way in hell
I hear the whole "signing your title over when you patch" thing is less and less common. With bikes now running 20k+, insisting on that only seems like a good way to have no one want to prospect
I've walked up on some clubs just to compliment them on their bikes and they were always chill
Anyone else notice that LE makes a big bust, it's never a hang-around that snitches? It's always the officers of the club. No better than the mob.
I went back home to Hawaii this past February. Coming back to Washington, someone working at Honolulu International stopped me, cause I was wearing my Patch. She asked me if I knew so and so in our gang. I replied you mean our motorcycle club. Then she said, oh yeah club. I didn’t know where she was coming from. Automatically I didn’t trust her. We’re a Club not a gang I told her and you should know better. I’m an older Brother, and I scold them if I gotta. Keep up the good work Ghost Man. Peace
Appreciate you
If you stake territory you are a gang. End of story.
Why would anyone want to be in a club if there is all that kind of drama? I've been looking at a fam club to get into. Is that the same sh.t in family style clubs?
100%
Been there done that. Non 1%er clubs have less rules, which actually attract losers who need friends, that can't be had otherwise. Then the drama begins ...Members not contributing, or participating, jealousy, backbiting, troublemaking.....the list goes on. FTS!
The way the chain sits on skeletor is perfect 🤣🤣
I noticed that i was like wtf lol
ALWAYS QUALITY. Thanks. Much Respect.
I don’t know how it works in other clubs. I’m a 16 and even when you leave the club in good terms you go out bad they don’t take your motorcycle.
Problem in the San Antonio area around 99-2000. First HD bought a special leather
for Cancel Carry. If I was on the bike it was with me.
Paperwork? Background checks? A lot of the guy's asking for it could not pass it themselves.
Truth
I mean making sure someone doesn't have pedo charges or they were a cop is pretty important. It's due diligence
The one time my criminal background has actually helped me a little bit😂😂
Backgrounds can be completely faked, that’s why some resorted to using a polygraph test, which can also be beat. Seems like a big headache.
My boy Johnny was prospecting for a start up, wannabe diamond club when he caught his ol' lady with the prez. he quit the club but it cost him a beating, his bike and his ol' lady... she became club property until the club folded... Johnny moved out of state, status unknown... great subject.
Dam ruthless ending
Cost him his bike?
What?
Indeed.
That ain’t man shit. If you can’t find your own bush to piss in you are a lame.
So if i see a biker chick,donning that PROPERTY OF (insert MC title) patch on her,she's ultimately a "pass around"?
I thought hoes should have standards atleast. 😅
I like your show n watch it alot I’ve become friends with a club in Canada same one your in I love the culture I love the brotherhood u give many tips on showing the club respect and get reset SYLO all the way
I was prospecting for a 3 piece club almost getting their diamonds. About 3 months in I found out the Prez use to be a NYPD officer. The next church I walked in even though prospects weren’t allowed in and took my cut off and put it on the table and said I seen pictures and articles about him as a cop and I will not put my life on the line for a cop that is hiding it. They said that he got a pass and blessed bc he was dirty or something and I said okay that don’t make it better. Actually makes it worse bc you’re telling me that he can’t stand up to his one oath as a cop so what makes him stand up to our oath. I said that it’s absolutely ZERO tolerance for LEOs. How do yall know that it was his job to get the trust by being dirty and that everything is being documented and in 3 years or so everyone has a case from what he orders out. I said no real outlaw or diamond would ever accept that. I put my whole damn cut on the table. Didn’t just cut the patches off and walked outta church and never spoke to any of them again. They tried telling other clubs I was a bad out but they knew why I did it already 7:49 and agreed with me.
My dad is 76 and Rides he had a Harley but had too sell it cause of his hip. now he is riding again he has a Honda Shadow
wow!! I really enjoyed this one. I love learning about the rules. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well if you like MC rules.... you are in luck, there's enough rules to binge watch for the next three centuries
I remember guys buying junk parts bikes that barely ran and they prospected on cheap shortsters just to keep their custom 40-60k bike from being taken ! seen guys even loose their house to a club ! in the end a few lost the expensive bike and the junk bike cause the clubs would say what bike did you want to run if we took you in ?
The whole idea of taking a man's bike, especially in a culture where that machine is so highly prized and respected seems nuts to me. Like, I don't care if you're a prospect, a hang around or a 20 year member, the club doesn't own your bike so who tf are they to take your shit, even if you're out bad? The only case where I could see taking a bike being justified is for stealing.
I'm not a big guy and I don't consider myself a tough guy by any means, but unless you're my old lady, one of my kids or my mechanic, there is absolutely no reason for you to ever touch my bike. Who you are and what you do will definitely determine my response, but I will never not handle someone touching my shit.
You said it perfectly " For the love of the Motorcycle!"... Never lose sight of that!
At one time clubs were probably solid brotherhoods. Today people are out for themselves no matter who it is they are violating.
There was only one MC member who I felt got a raw deal for calling the police. This guy, a fully patched member, had a nephew who killed a jewler and his whole family after robbing them (,in Michigan IIRC). He bragged about it to his uncle. Like you say, usually they handle situations like that themselves, but this gut was family unfortunately for him. He was in a "damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't situation, so he dropped a dime on his nephew. Publicly, his MC said his nephew deserved to be ratted on. Privately, they subtly forced him to leave the MC. Not sure if he was in bad standing though. Probably.
I never saw you talk about LE/MC( law enforcement mc). I would like to see your view about them. I don't know if there are any in USA
I did before
There is... I never made a statement or testified in court against my club. It's one thing to snitch & another if you need your hydro turned back on.
Blue Knights MC, must be LEO/EXLEO to join.
A lot of rules to follow, seems less free, just ride.
If at a 1% party is it ok to call 911 if there is a fire?
That's a good question.
My guess is that it's ok as long as you don't answer any questions about how the fire started.
But on the other hand, it might be a bad idea to call because the fire could have started in a lab or grow room, ...places you don't want firefighters snooping around.
You know what I mean by "lab" and "grow room", lol
Crazy they would deny a guy for being Military Police. MPs were on the front lines with us in Iraq, sweeping for mines, handling enemy prisoners of war, lighting up the bad guys. I trusted those guys with my life. Their role has evolved since the old days. They don't just sit on base and bust drunk drivers anymore. They're out on missions even ahead of the Grunts lots of times.
I'm a bit confused on this video. Title says "take your motorcycle " but every topic concludes woth being "out bad". When did the motorcycle get taken?
Military police to 1% isn’t really an impossible thing. It would probably just depend on each club and their discretion. I just know plenty of guys that were MP’s when I was in, and a few of them are 1% now. I don’t ask them how. It’s their business, not mine.
We’re not all Blue Flacons. Some of us learned from being in that life. The cops ruined my life for awhile after I got out & the insanity from all the death(both down range & in garrison). I got forced into being a cage kicker at the USDB & later after deployment when I got PCS across post got to respond to terrible murders, countless suicides & child abuse that is unparalleled. Fuck that shit! I wanted to help people not see the dirty underside of the military & what happens to soldiers that got pushed beyond their limits. All for nothing too. Smh
WHAT I WORKED & EARNED.IS MINE. & PAID FOR.. LET A "CLUB" BUY THEIR OWN SHIT.. MINE.IS MINE.!
Fact
We tend to think that way but that isn't how people as a whole think. When I finished school almost 30 years ago and got my first full time job, the first thing that happened was complete strangers start complaining that it's "not fair" that I "have money" and start plotting to steal and vandalize everything I worked for.
People are losers. Individuals can be thoughtful and worthwhile, but people as a species are pretty shitty.
Great video. I've seen similar things in past club I was in. Great video. Love it
Glad you enjoyed it
@@DemonsRow fantastic buddy
What are the rules for a MC member traveling alone on his bike? I saw a Hells Angel Member that looked fully patched today on the freeway alone. Every time I’ve seen the MC club riding they’ve always had other members with them whether it’s 2 to 50 you would think it would not feel safe riding alone. My other question is if they choose to write a loan is the clubs OK without them wearing the patches so they are not, showing membership and they are just a motorcycle rider going on a destination what’s your thoughts?
Bro, you're right it is wrong too sleep with other brothers old lady. Show respect, loyalty,trust too all the brothers in the MC
Def much respect
That goes for anywhere! Pussy ain't worth that shit! She comes crying to me🤕HE HIT ME!! I SAY WELL IM SORRY SWEETY BUT YOU SHOULD TRY LISTENING THEN!😱🤣
If your ol lady is so easily to sleep with another man you might want to make a better decision on who you call your ol lady
Sounds more like fear than respect. The general idea is you're not supposed to shag other people's spouses! It has nothing to do with "brotherhood" or some such shit. You probably aren't too keen on the idea of getting somebody else's herpes or gonorrhea so why would you want to give yours to somebody else?
Love your videos. I’ve always wondered about 1%ers. The culture is very interesting.
Appreciate you shimmy
I got a question bro so I was at a bike night the other night and a guy came up handing out flyers for a party their club was having. I noticed that he had the 3 piece patch on his back with the Connecticut bottom rocker, so I'm assuming they've had a sit down and have been blessed by the bigger CT clubs. So my thing is this club is made up of all current and retired police officers??? I kinda feel like they haven't been blessed and they are just doing what every they want because they are all cops, kinda a messed up situation.
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@@davesmilingcoyote Hey good for you man, have you told your family yet?
@@spedward8609 oh shit, I left myself completely open to that one! 😂😂😂
Ya got me fair and square, good game! 🫡😆
@@spedward8609 😂😂 Damn, I walked right into that one! 😂😂
If you are a criminal and try to get out , you deserve respect. If you are a criminal and join a violent gang, you DON"T! Harming innocent people, even it is selling them drugs or stealing is BAD.
My son was jumped by some 1%ers on some personal stuff, any advice
It depends on the “personal stuff”
MP being allowed in will very club to club ive seen some that will let mps in and others wont
not 1%
We used to say don't let your head get to big for your hat. A friend joined a MC and he went through Prospecting for 6 months. When he got his patch it went to his head. At the?
First party he was at he got drunk and our control.His brother's tried to calm him but he only fought with them ended up putting him all bad for fighting with club members😊
How can they take someone’s bike or someone’s wife?
How pathetic do you have to be to want acceptance from a group like that?
I bought a bike for the freedom it provides. An MC would be counterintuitive. I'm not interacting with clubs unless it's a simple, civil conversation. Don't want to hear about their rules or their indoctrinations.
Once again u on point I've experienced alot of what u said and to 💯 politics is the main one. I respect u all the way and can't wait to see the George Cristie interview. He has alot of knowledge. Stay safe stay healthy stay blessed brother
appreciate you brother
Demons row, what if someone was a security guard who just patrolled apartment buildings 25 years ago as a teenager to make money for college, does that make a person ineligible to be considered for a m.c.
I’m sorry if this has come up and did not find it. But what is the difference between the colors of the 1% diamond patch?
Man, your jewelry is lit! Everytime! I wish I could create stuff like that🙌🏼
I hope I don't step on your shoes with my question, I just started gem cutting last year and got really hooked up by it😅
i was the same when i was younger i always said i want my logo as a chain
@@DemonsRow the chain is totally fire🙌🏼...your rings are dope too...the pink stone, such a beauty...I heired a lot raw stuff from mom back in the day...had it laying around for 8 years before I decided to start✊🏼...not that young anymore tbh...hitting 39 in a few week😅
@@DemonsRowyou look like Liberace. 😆😆😆😆
I am a CO...and I ride. I ride with a few other CO's. When I say a few...I mean a few. I dont hang with people who use their title as a sign of strength. I have been doing this for 22 years and I do not mess with staff who think the title of a CO makes them more then they are. To me its a job and that it all.
I have no personal history with a club taking a motorcycle but a hard core 1%er who is a friend of mine has said it happens. "If a hang-around or prospect wastes our time, we kick him out and take his bike."
So, has your "cool" loser friend ever been shot for stealing something that another person worked very hard for?
Remember kids, motor vehicles are REGISTERED for a reason. Even if you tried to join a gang, your bike is your because you bought it and registered it. It doesn't become Joe Gangsta's personal property simply because he absconded with it.
I was a 12 year supporter of a Dimond club if I was in the bar and something went down I fought and after it was done I left with the club members. I was asked 3 times in that time to probate but at the time I was not able to give the club what it required other than being a loyal supporter.
Your full of shit
lol pathetic
No disrespect to you but why? As it's been said before, if something happens they aren't going to have you. I mean they might back you in a little fight or something but they aren't going to have your back like you had there's. At the end of the day you are just supporting them. I've never quite understood this
The club I was in was all military veterans and we had a strict no cops, no CO's, no MP's rule. MP rule honestly never made sense since we were all out, but I think that was pushed down on us by the local dominant since they viewed MP's as basically cops.
In terms of CO's and cops, it's a conflict of interest. You're putting someone in a place where either way they are betraying something they shouldn't betray. As a cop/CO, you take a solemn oath. As a patched MC member you also make an oath/agreement to be committed to the club. If some shit jumps off, you're betraying one or the other. If someone is willing to betray their solemn word, then I don't trust them. If they betray one promise, they'll betray another. The way I see it is that you make choices in life. If you choose to be a cop/CO then that's your decision and I'm cool with that. But don't be a cop/CO and then be an outlaw biker...that's a separate choice that's a divergent path. When you decide a course for your life, be proud of it and be loyal to it.
If a cop joins an outlaw bike club and actively breaks the law he shouldn't be a cop.
Sounds like an outdated policy. The role of MPs in the GWOT is totally different. Can't' even count how many MPs I saw get blown up, wounded and killed just so truck convoys could use the supply routes without getting ambushed. You'd have to be crazy to not want these guys watching your 6. I can't respect any club who would turn them away.
Yeah, see, what you’re talking about is having a set of values and living by them, and I like that. Too few of us do that these days. Too many borrow the values of others until it’s not convenient anymore and then switch.
Defining a set of core values probably saved my life. I recite them every day, if only in my head most of the time, but they are my compass. Unless a person is an absolute idiot, living by a set of authentic values should keep them pretty much out of trouble and in respect because being authentic means you probably won’t be where you shouldn’t be. You have to look deep to find this kind of value system. It’s not for pussies. It requires a painful kind of honesty. I’d trust an outlaw that’s done that kind of work and lives by a set of values long before I’d trust a 99 that hadn’t and doesn’t.
No MPs. Thanks but no thanks.
@@paulmarkey613 yes, but the war wasn't everything and MP's do arrests, investigations, all sorts of LE work when they are back in garrison. Yes, there are "combat MP" units from the GWOT, but nobody has the time to go through and vet every veteran's every duty station. There was also the local dominant to consider. Our local 1% dominant club was a large, international club with a heavy presence and they were adamant about no cops/CO's. They didn't want our club to let guys like me join because we were security contractors to State Department. Our leadership had to sit down with them and explain that contracting to DSS didn't make us cops.
Ultimately, politics may play a big role in a small club's rules. In our area, the local dominant is international, well-known and had three different chapters that covered areas that our members rode/lived in. From my understanding (I was never club leadership), the politics were a nightmare because sometimes what one chapter of the 1% wanted wasn't what another wanted and our leadership would have to do multiple meetings/sitdowns to hash things out. At the same time, none of the dominant chapters really wanted to create a beef with guys that were mostly ex-combat arms/SOCOM and about half of whom were still very current on skills (working as high-risk contractors and what not). On the other hand, we were way too small (8-14 members at any given time, spread over a very large area) to threaten them or do our own thing without putting everyone at undue risk. In this case, the dominant said 'no MP's', our own club was generally speaking all combat arms (infantry/artillery/cavalry/armor) and prior SOCOM, so we said whatever, not worth the trouble.
Been on 2's for 40 years. Only had a chance to prospect for 3 clubs. I wont name them but, 1 is out of Stockton, Ca. 1 is out of East Bay area of Ca. 1 was from South Carolina. All good dudes, still talk and ride with some today. I wont prospect or join or rock a support because of a few things you mentioned, but mostly because I'm selfish. I'm selfish with my time, with my ability, selfish with my contacts. When I ride with these guys, when I party with these guys, I see how they are not selfish with any of these things with their brothers. I cant offer that. We can still be friends and acquaintances, I just would not be the Brother they deserve. So we just ride!
So let’s say you’re car gets stolen or house gets robbed; you can’t file a police report, so you can’t claim insurance, so you can’t be an adult, so you can’t prioritise your children’s best interests ? Or am I missing something?
No, you're 100% accurate.
I didn’t make these rules up
@@DemonsRow no doubt. I really enjoy your channel, you do a great job of communicating how your culture works for someone on the outside looking in
@@DemonsRow but can you clarify for me, is every biker in every club really riding around uninsured?
But they still carry a government tracking device with cameras and mics everywhere or do they not have phones?
Yo if you could land an interview with Chuck Zito from the 81 NYC chapter…. That video would blow up like no tomorrow !!! Love the channel! I’m a new sub, haven’t rode in almost 12 years but your videos made me want to get back on my Harley
Chuck zito is out bad from 81
@@NorthwestMariner naw he’s still got the ink & everything
Another side note... as a child i was exposed to different clubs...my mother was friends with a couple of guys from H.A. and I'll always remember one of the guys giving me a ride to school and dropped me off in front of the school...no kids ever messed with me 😅😅😅...this was back in the early 80s in California...and I always remembered those times
😂😆😂 your mom was a slut 😂😆😂
Politics is one of the reasons why I got out, but the 300-400 miles across state lines for regionals/nationals was very tiring after awhile and I just wanted to ride with no destination in mind. As a former treasurer, I was asked if I was stealing and I was like really, so my 60k annual salary makes me want to steal from my brothers um ok... I experienced a thief in a club which was dealt with immediately. The brotherhood is not the same as it used to be 10 years ago
I’ve been watching for 3 years keep it up bro. I just bought my first Harley( Street 500. )
That's awesome i appreciate you rollin wit me
Get a real harley
That's a scooter
@@jasonreed4143 this is my first bike I will eventually. Everyone starts from somewhere 💯
@@jasonreed4143 2 wheels and a motor is a bike, no matter what model or cc. I dont care if you on a 150cc scooter, a grom or a road glide, all biker family!
I remember similar stuff happening like this going back to the 60s turned up to a weekend of bike racing and a few members wanted the forks or front end off my mates Kawasaki Z900 they never got to take it thank god
i must know. i have been told Booze fighters can wear their patches pretty much anywhere without a problem from other 1% clubs. is this true?
Wanna go down a rabbit hole look up organ donation and summer bike events and look into the producers of SOA and their connection to organ transplants business.
I was put out on bad standing. The P lied and made up a story that I was conspiring to put another brother out. It was an easy way for him to get the support of the other brother. I was then put out on bad. The real reason that brothers get put out on bad is so that they cannot then put their side of the story to the other chapters as they are now ex communicated
Truth
In my old club, I knew a guy who was a Sgt at Arms, but when he was in prison, he was a Maytag but came out acting like he was a killer.
Gay for the stay
Thanks for sharing this 👍
Have a great memorial weekend. 😎👍
Be safe too.🌻
Enjoy your weekend precious
@@DemonsRow 🌻
My brother got out bad from his MC bc the Prez wanted the club to be more affiliated with a 1% club. The 1% club wanted everyone's background info and everything about everyone in my brothers club. So when my brother refused, saying all the checks his club did was no other clubs business, they kicked him out bad.
yea it could be percieved as not wanting people to see his paperwork
@DemonsRow that's pretty much what I figured. The way he saw it, was his papers were already looked into by his MC and didn't like another MC he's not a part of looking into him either. His MC was a combat veteran MC, so he felt that if he'd been cleared before, then this other club had no business looking at their members. So they got him out bad.
Kind of reminds me of the poor kids in E. L.A. All they know are joining a street gang, getting jumped in, getting shot, shooting a rival gangbanger and looking forward to the day they are arrested for murder and sent to prison, all for "street cred". What a low bar for a good life... ☆
My uncle bought a Harley at a police auction awhile back and it had some custom paint and skulls on the bike. A club stole the bike from him because it was confiscated from the club by the police.
I 1000% dont consider Military Police the same as real police. Like maybe the CID in the Army but your standard Master At Arms in the Navy is literally just patrolling the base, checking IDs at the gate, things like that. Like more security than actual police on the civilian side. I can see why clubs would draw that line out of precaution etc but personally I just cant relate the two like that. Im actually shocked that a club would accept COs over military police.
Yea its kind if a stretch but i never served so i dont know
I was a Grunt in the Army…as a rider just learning about the culture, I am confused about the idea of active duty or even reserve and national guard committing to a club. We swear an oath, of entire self, when we enlist. I would wonder how he could swear an oath to a club at the same time. If he gets called up, that means he cannot put a club brother over a service brother/squadmate. Even if he is honest to the Oath, if it came down to a fellow serviceman or a club brother, he ain’t supposed to put the club brother first, ever. Not to be obtuse, just drawing on the philosophy of the two Oaths. You would never, as a club brother, ever be sure he ALWAYS has yer back, or at least living conflicted. Again, just an observation of an avid rider, veteran. I truly am not disparaging any of the culture. I love the road and am fascinated about the men I consider my ancestors to the Oath. Peace and respect.🫡🙏I enjoy the knowledge you impart on this channel and the real conversation you offer for those wishing to honor and consider the tradition. Peace and…”We GHOSTIN’, babyyy!”🤟🏽😝👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🙏🤟🏽🙏🫡
Bull shot bruh. I’ve been arrested by MPs for the same shit civie cops arrest for. MPs are cops on steroids. Full of themselves and loyal to no one but other MPs. I knew an MP personally once. He went to his recruiter and said “ya know Sgt, I really really want to be a Marine……but I also really really hate Marines.” Recruiter said “say no more fam, ever hear of military Police?”
MPs are basically just security guards for the base; but they get deployed on real shit these days too. They were in Iraq and Afghanistan same as the grunts ( and didn't just sit on base either, they went into the shit.) They aren't the same as a civilian cop in any regard.
Do they carry a firearm? Can they take away your freedom? They are ALL "LAW ENFORCEMENT".
Military police can arrest members of the public depending on the situation. There are civilians that live on military bases or if they happen to be present when a serious crime is happening they can intervene. They can also make arrests if someone is deemed a threat to national security (espionage, terrorism) etc.
Whats the music playlist for this video? Especially the first song? Good stuff
When I was a kid I knew of a LA Cop that was in one of the big clubs in So. Cal. Dude was cool as fuck.
Off topic- did you purposely line up your medallion to look like it's the head of your artwork on your tshirt? Lol. Interesting video. I have a couple of quick questions, what happens if the prospects lady says no to the patched guy hitting on her? Would the prospect get in trouble for that too? Does she have a choice?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson.
Could the club start up a sou-sou where they put a little cash together every week for a different brother? This way stealing is not even thought of because every brother knows that his week will come up soon.
Where can i listen to fulls of music in this video?
My wife actually left me for a guy who worked and lived on that island. No joke, he actually had the nerv to tell me he lived and worked there
Continued particular substance abuse can get you out, especially if warned to get your act together.
#Ghostin my Brother this one was very Interesting good job
Appreciate you #ghostin
The way that chain sits on the Skeletor shirt is perfect
Thank you
Man that comment about p and vp gettin together to skim off the top hits 100% true, its so far out there I thought maybe my set would be the only ones to see something like that, not only that they got together on a fake Dimond, recruited and claimed it was cleared and ll good to go. It's hard for the ones true to the patch and the life to come back from stuff like this. Over $200,000 in four years and none of us saw it happening, also don't let you p or vp be treasurer there's no reason for it they already have a position.
You always keep it real man !!
I appreciate that
What does the club do with the bikes they keep? Sell them for club money, or parts em out to each other?
Probably just goes to the bosses garage
Heres why there is Hang around status,Prospect status and Full Patch status.You know what is expected of you and you also know that Loyalty is #1.Most Out Bad is the Power Struggle,
truth
We just tossed a guy for stolen valor!
Did he return the valor still in excellent condition?
NO!
Ive heard from a friend before from a famous 1% club was on a ride with a brother and a bunch of opposition 1% club pulled up nd my friends so called brother rode off and left him thats a rat move in my opinion
I was in Oakland County Jail in Michigan. COs have absolutely no authority on the street, period. If they want to write a ticket, they have to call a deputized officer, Oakland County Sheriffs Deputy. To write that ticket. Street cop.