I'm a lifetime hog member, in for 15 years, served as a road captain and vp but...hog is for normies, plain and simple, some posers sure but the whole thing is setup for the local dealer to sell more stuff, officers are chosen by the dealership and in the end you feel like a shill for the dealer. it's why I no longer am in a local chapter. I was asked once if I wanted to come to party and hangaround with the local dominant but I declined, I'm an old man, to set in my life I guess, so I'm a GDI for life now. I like your content, good conversation. I wish you success.
I was in a RC and I was prospect for a year. We was blessed by an Outlaw MC. We had bylaws $25 dues and when it came to protocol we learned Outlaw protocol cause we interacted with a lot of different Outlaw MC.
Sounds like a hybrid club as some call it somewhere between an RC & MC. RC's generally don't have structure Prez, VP ect... RC's generally don't hang around diamond clubs RC's generally don't prospect or follow protocols.
We have both RC and MC that are support clubs for the dominant club in my area. If you want to start an RC, you can get blessing from your choice of two clubs in this area, which is rather easy. If you want to start an MC, you need to be an RC first, and you have to choose to support one of the two clubs. If you don't, you will have problems.
Great video! Excellent format and quality! I'm stoked with the new channel, and I'll be ready to do a shot with you guys at the end of the next episode! Look forward to the upcoming episodes on patches and prospecting. Another hot topic these days is how a rider should pass an MC riding in formation on the highway in a safe and respectable way. Might be a good topic to add to the list! Can't wait for the next one!
I ride in a MC. Earned my patch n taught to understand MC life n respect 1% n 99%. I’m comfortable in either world because I was trained to know this stuff. I respect n will give the 2 fingers to anyone. I wouldn’t ride with them. I know how my club members ride n trust them completely.
I love the consideration you have put into this. I do have a question, and I’m hoping this stays civil, but what is with the attitude of some MC’s? Why do MC’s expect non-members to know their rules? Running a guy off the road because he passed incorrectly is ridiculous. I was in the Marine Corps; I don’t expect other to treat the service the way I do. We’re does the entitlement come from. Not all, most clubs are chill, but the few can ruin the many. Thank you for what you do, I’ve subscribed. Looking forward to future discussions.
Although there are always the ones that have the attitude I would say that most larger clubs have a reasonable answer. They don't know if you're someone that might want to do harm to them. Lots of these clubs don't get along with each other and as I'm sure you've read or seen in the news, these clubs have their occasional fights. They don't know if you're a friend or enemy, and enemies aren't always wearing patches. Another way to put it is respect. Whether you're in a club or not, I'm sure you give the two fingers down when passing other bikes. This is the same idea. Give them a heads up as you approach, make sure you're acknowledged and then proceed. We've found the world of motorcycling all comes down to respect. A little can go a long way. While riding we live in the motorcycle world and clubs are almost as old as the motorcycle themselves so we can at least respect or attempt to understand their culture.
Let me 'edit' my stupid statement: I've ridden cross country solo a few times on sport bikes. Illegally strapped in a lot of states. I've been riding street for 42 years, and only within the past year did I find out that I was not supposed to just ride by MC's when I wanted to ride faster than they were traveling. I never experienced any aggression, but looking back, I know that I backed off when it was one of 'those' clubs, vs Christian biker 'types' of clubs. To add to my stupidity, I had my fat bob 114 'illegally' parked in front of Denny's a couple weeks ago. Two bikers were in a cage with two women. THEY actually stopped an shot the bull. They were cool AF. As they walked away, I saw the HA jackets and thought they were not 'real' ones. The paper next week said they were in town and the cops did harass them.
350,000 miles on BMW bikes and I've never had a problem with a MC. I treat everyone with a handshake or high five and get along with everyone! I am enjoying your channel though it's not my world...
Great stuff! I like the way you're discussing things and your quality is on point. I'm not an MC guy but i do end up watching MC content on fairly frequently, and I usually don't comment but since you ended up in my feed with so few views and subs so i know you're at a point where a like, comment, and sub will probably go a long way in helping your engagement and hopefully help you guys get picked up by the algorithm. Keep em coming and good luck with your youtube journey!
I ride with the Widows Sons Louisiana Masonic Riding Association. We are a appendant body of the Grand Lodge of Louisiana. The prospect process is first becoming a Master Mason. During that time the masonic brother can hang around and socialize with WS members to see if they fit in. Once the brother is raised to a Master Mason they can apply to join the Widows Sons and once approved can be patched in. We are also part of the COC and wear a three part patch.
I just stumbled on to this page ..so far I like what your doing and I'm subscribed..could you please do a show on why us clubs don't like others passing our packs on the highway!..I know why but the next generation has a problem with this and I'm tired of typing why..thank you
The rules are bylaws because it’s a CLUB. We depend on those bylaws to keep competency, order, and hierarchy. The rules you talk about are societal… not framework of our organizations. Big difference. If you want to learn the difference… ask.. talk to us, etc. It’s not what you think. You might like and understand… or not.
I want to know your thoughts on back patches on your cut if you’re not in an RC or an MC what do you think is acceptable?? I live in Northern Wisconsin. I know there are a couple of MC’s down around Milwaukee the south east part of the state but I know of nothing big around here.
Hello, would like your thoughts/opinions on groups like American Legion Riders, Low Twelve Masonic Riders & Widows Sons Masonic Riders. How would you classify them. Enjoying your channel
Great question. We're going to do a video soon about all the other types of clubs such as MM (ministry clubs), American Legion / Post Clubs, etc. Stay tuned for that coming soon!
I'm in a r.c.. we don't get our patch for a year. Have to have at least 1000 miles and a certain amount of events before getting the patch. We are charged a due every year.. We have most of the rules as a m.c.. we ride many miles a year. We also do a lot of charity work for our town and a lot of other organizations. We are also very well known all over our state. And other states as well. We earn our patches.
Very cool. That's definitely a rarity. Most RCs you show up, go on a few rides, and you're buying patches. 1,000 miles isn't much though. Hell our club just did 450 miles this past Saturday on a ride up to Zion National Park. :-) - Picasso
Well most Motorcycle Clubs and not showing antique motorcycles they unload from trailers like a car club at a show so I would assume the function of the club is to ride motorcycles, making them technically also a Riding Club. I would similarly assume that a Riding Club is not talking about riding pedal bicycles so they ride motorcycles make them technically a Motorcycle Club as well. These games over semantics are amusingly childish.
I think you missed the point. Riding clubs ARE about riding but motorcycle clubs are about riding AND everything else surrounded said motorcycles. It's about a deeper bond with the guys you ride with. Its not just about getting together and riding.
I have a question, I ride a HD softail to commute to work and a touring bike on some weekend trips with my wife. Does that make me a biker or an enthusiast?
@@BikerProtocol thanks for your reply; I consider myself a biker, I think an enthusiast is more of a show, shiny bikes and lates add ons. I just make my bikes confortable and ride them.
yea for the most part and reputation over decades of patching over other clubs and wars usually a smaller club needs blessing or an affiliation patch m of the bigger club in that area
@@chiefjoseph8154 I have been thinking that too but I am a newer rider I like what I’m doing now. I did a memorial run and we only had 6 and we were hosting the memorial at our lodge. I would like to see more riders but it is what it is.
I went to 81 since they are the dominant in my area and they straight up told me no... Then proceeded to show up at my house a couple weeks later 20 deep trying to intimidate me.... All because I wanted to start an RC with 5 of my closest friends!!!
If a dominant club, especially the HAs tell you no, then the answer is no. There can be a lot of reasons for this (too many popup clubs in the area, your patch design, territory you are in, etc.) so maybe the best way to deal with this is to find an RC in your area and join that instead? One that goes on rides you like, one that supports your values, etc.
@@BikerProtocol their whole reasoning was because the last RC they gave the okay to got their asses beat by an MC... I told them my RC has nothing Todo with the outlaw community we're just life long friends who ride together and want to start a RC... No territory... No back patch... Just a small patch on the front of the cut with a name tag that says celticsonsRC.... Seems silly of them to be concerned with 6 friends who were doing stuff the right way .... The underlying thing was they want me and my guys to give them money for their poker runs and eventually they would let us join the HA..... But we don't want that ... We don't pay dues in my RC and there is no officers or anything like that! We do big rides to tail of the dragon and things like that.
@@BikerProtocol our "colors" are green and black so that has nothing Todo with it.... Basically I'm still doing my RC... Without a blessing.... So should be an interesting several years ahead of me
Be careful because once asked not to, may turn into action instead of interaction if that makes sense. It does depend on the territory for sure. They could be doing you a favor from what it sounds like from what happened to the previous RC. The big thing is that there are plenty of clubs RCs and MCs out there. Starting a new one is not easy as you see. If you don't want to pay dues or have officers, what's the point of starting an RC, just ride with your friends, put whatever patch on but don't call yourself a club.
I'll just stick to riding alone or with a few friends from time to time. I just completed a 3,200 mile trip in 10 days and got to see what I wanted to see. I started riding a motorcycle to be free not to follow a bunch of bs rules.
We can relate to that. However, understand that a lot of motorcycle clubs put effort towards helping us keep those freedoms. A lot of clubs are part of organizations such as NCOM that help protect biker rights and freedoms.
Like your thoughts. It takes time and growing into a new family. The love of brothers is unwavering. Rules are only bad if there bad rules. Ride on keep it tight rubber side down
In the essence you're right but a riding club is centered around just riding where as a motorcycle club is centered around motorcycles. It sounds the same but there are big differences. As stated in the video a motorcycle club has more structure, seriousness and protocol. The common bond is the motorcycle but what makes it deeper is the Brotherhood that comes with it, the rules and culture behind it.
@@NotAffiliated I've heard this mentioned a few times over the years but I don't believe it to be true. If you go way back to the early clubs in Britain and then the first clubs that started up in the US, none of them call themselves a "Men's Club". The Yonkers MC always referred to themselves as a Motorcycle Club, as do the POBOBs, Boozefighters, and many of the other early clubs.
@@BikerProtocol You know, I'm trying to get to the bottom of it, because I keep hearing conflicting stories. One explanation I heard was that if you wanted a W.C. you became a Mens Club, but if not you remain a Motorcycle Club.
@@NotAffiliated My MC goes over to open houses that the POBOB's hold every now and then in our area. I'll see what their take is on it the next time I go over there but like I said, look at the earlies of clubs and they all refer to themselves as Motorcycle Clubs.
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I'm a lifetime hog member, in for 15 years, served as a road captain and vp but...hog is for normies, plain and simple, some posers sure but the whole thing is setup for the local dealer to sell more stuff, officers are chosen by the dealership and in the end you feel like a shill for the dealer. it's why I no longer am in a local chapter. I was asked once if I wanted to come to party and hangaround with the local dominant but I declined, I'm an old man, to set in my life I guess, so I'm a GDI for life now. I like your content, good conversation. I wish you success.
As long as you're riding though, that's all that matters. Thanks for the kind words about the channel.
I'm in a MA (Motorcycle Association), Combat Veteran Motorcycle Association. CVMA
I was in a RC and I was prospect for a year. We was blessed by an Outlaw MC. We had bylaws $25 dues and when it came to protocol we learned Outlaw protocol cause we interacted with a lot of different Outlaw MC.
Very cool. You did it exactly how it's supposed to be done!
Same here. GHOST MOUND RC in Oklahoma.
Sounds like a hybrid club as some call it somewhere between an RC & MC. RC's generally don't have structure Prez, VP ect... RC's generally don't hang around diamond clubs RC's generally don't prospect or follow protocols.
@@BikerProtocol Arizona Therapy Brothers
We have both RC and MC that are support clubs for the dominant club in my area. If you want to start an RC, you can get blessing from your choice of two clubs in this area, which is rather easy. If you want to start an MC, you need to be an RC first, and you have to choose to support one of the two clubs. If you don't, you will have problems.
Great video! Excellent format and quality! I'm stoked with the new channel, and I'll be ready to do a shot with you guys at the end of the next episode! Look forward to the upcoming episodes on patches and prospecting. Another hot topic these days is how a rider should pass an MC riding in formation on the highway in a safe and respectable way. Might be a good topic to add to the list! Can't wait for the next one!
Thanks for the compliment and your suggestion is a great one. We've added it to the list of things to cover!
I ride in a MC. Earned my patch n taught to understand MC life n respect 1% n 99%. I’m comfortable in either world because I was trained to know this stuff. I respect n will give the 2 fingers to anyone. I wouldn’t ride with them. I know how my club members ride n trust them completely.
I love the consideration you have put into this. I do have a question, and I’m hoping this stays civil, but what is with the attitude of some MC’s? Why do MC’s expect non-members to know their rules? Running a guy off the road because he passed incorrectly is ridiculous. I was in the Marine Corps; I don’t expect other to treat the service the way I do. We’re does the entitlement come from.
Not all, most clubs are chill, but the few can ruin the many.
Thank you for what you do, I’ve subscribed. Looking forward to future discussions.
Although there are always the ones that have the attitude I would say that most larger clubs have a reasonable answer.
They don't know if you're someone that might want to do harm to them. Lots of these clubs don't get along with each other and as I'm sure you've read or seen in the news, these clubs have their occasional fights. They don't know if you're a friend or enemy, and enemies aren't always wearing patches.
Another way to put it is respect. Whether you're in a club or not, I'm sure you give the two fingers down when passing other bikes. This is the same idea. Give them a heads up as you approach, make sure you're acknowledged and then proceed.
We've found the world of motorcycling all comes down to respect. A little can go a long way. While riding we live in the motorcycle world and clubs are almost as old as the motorcycle themselves so we can at least respect or attempt to understand their culture.
@@BikerProtocol What should happen to ANYONE who runs a bike off the road?
What do you tell the judge?
Let me 'edit' my stupid statement:
I've ridden cross country solo a few times on sport bikes. Illegally strapped in a lot of states. I've been riding street for 42 years, and only within the past year did I find out that I was not supposed to just ride by MC's when I wanted to ride faster than they were traveling.
I never experienced any aggression, but looking back, I know that I backed off when it was one of 'those' clubs, vs Christian biker 'types' of clubs.
To add to my stupidity, I had my fat bob 114 'illegally' parked in front of Denny's a couple weeks ago. Two bikers were in a cage with two women. THEY actually stopped an shot the bull. They were cool AF.
As they walked away, I saw the HA jackets and thought they were not 'real' ones.
The paper next week said they were in town and the cops did harass them.
@SmittyAZ Cops tend not to like guys who pimp women and sell meth.
Thank you for the response, I can understand the respect angle. Sometimes it feel like it isn’t given both ways.
Love your channel very good info ❤ much respect
Thank you!
350,000 miles on BMW bikes and I've never had a problem with a MC. I treat everyone with a handshake or high five and get along with everyone! I am enjoying your channel though it's not my world...
Respect is simple and key.
Great stuff! I like the way you're discussing things and your quality is on point. I'm not an MC guy but i do end up watching MC content on fairly frequently, and I usually don't comment but since you ended up in my feed with so few views and subs so i know you're at a point where a like, comment, and sub will probably go a long way in helping your engagement and hopefully help you guys get picked up by the algorithm. Keep em coming and good luck with your youtube journey!
Thanks for the compliment! Yes, this is our first full-length video and we have lots more to come so stay tuned!
I ride with the Widows Sons Louisiana Masonic Riding Association. We are a appendant body of the Grand Lodge of Louisiana. The prospect process is first becoming a Master Mason. During that time the masonic brother can hang around and socialize with WS members to see if they fit in. Once the brother is raised to a Master Mason they can apply to join the Widows Sons and once approved can be patched in. We are also part of the COC and wear a three part patch.
Very cool!
I just stumbled on to this page ..so far I like what your doing and I'm subscribed..could you please do a show on why us clubs don't like others passing our packs on the highway!..I know why but the next generation has a problem with this and I'm tired of typing why..thank you
It's definitely in the works. Thanks for the suggestion and for subscribing.
I ride with a RC came from a MC we all get along with the Mc in our area
Can you cover the combat vets association and its place in motorcycle world
That is planned for a future video.
Mc claim to live outside the rules of the average rider, yet they have more rules and politics than the average person..
I wouldn't say it was more rules, just different rules.
@BikerProtocol Different rules is more rules.
The rules are bylaws because it’s a CLUB. We depend on those bylaws to keep competency, order, and hierarchy. The rules you talk about are societal… not framework of our organizations. Big difference.
If you want to learn the difference… ask.. talk to us, etc. It’s not what you think. You might like and understand… or not.
You fundamentally misunderstand the entire point of being an "outlaw" ....
@Roadking556 it's not about following rules. It's about the level of Respect regardless who you are. You either earn it or you don't
Nice run down. I am wondering if you have any knowledge on MM (motorcycle ministries) and how they interact with MC and RC. Thank you
We both ride with several "God Clubs". We'll do a video on the topic for sure.
I want to know your thoughts on back patches on your cut if you’re not in an RC or an MC what do you think is acceptable?? I live in Northern Wisconsin. I know there are a couple of MC’s down around Milwaukee the south east part of the state but I know of nothing big around here.
Great question Rich. We're going to do a video on that very soon!
What is a Motorcycle Organization and a Motorcycle Association?
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Hello, would like your thoughts/opinions on groups like American Legion Riders, Low Twelve Masonic Riders & Widows Sons Masonic Riders. How would you classify them. Enjoying your channel
Great question. We're going to do a video soon about all the other types of clubs such as MM (ministry clubs), American Legion / Post Clubs, etc. Stay tuned for that coming soon!
I was in a mcc you still have to prospect but it is less hardcore then a mc my club was about supporting each other
That's been our experience with MCCs also.
I'm in a r.c.. we don't get our patch for a year. Have to have at least 1000 miles and a certain amount of events before getting the patch. We are charged a due every year.. We have most of the rules as a m.c.. we ride many miles a year. We also do a lot of charity work for our town and a lot of other organizations. We are also very well known all over our state. And other states as well. We earn our patches.
Very cool. That's definitely a rarity. Most RCs you show up, go on a few rides, and you're buying patches. 1,000 miles isn't much though. Hell our club just did 450 miles this past Saturday on a ride up to Zion National Park. :-) - Picasso
Oh ya, 1000 is easily 1 trip for us, lol, that's just the minimum.. we also have all the positions (even lady enforcer = Sargent at arms))
Well most Motorcycle Clubs and not showing antique motorcycles they unload from trailers like a car club at a show so I would assume the function of the club is to ride motorcycles, making them technically also a Riding Club. I would similarly assume that a Riding Club is not talking about riding pedal bicycles so they ride motorcycles make them technically a Motorcycle Club as well. These games over semantics are amusingly childish.
I think you missed the point. Riding clubs ARE about riding but motorcycle clubs are about riding AND everything else surrounded said motorcycles. It's about a deeper bond with the guys you ride with. Its not just about getting together and riding.
I have a question, I ride a HD softail to commute to work and a touring bike on some weekend trips with my wife. Does that make me a biker or an enthusiast?
Probably a little bit of both. What do you consider yourself?
@@BikerProtocol thanks for your reply; I consider myself a biker, I think an enthusiast is more of a show, shiny bikes and lates add ons. I just make my bikes confortable and ride them.
What can I put on my vest to show we are not 1 percenter . We are jus friends and family that ride together
Just don't put a 1% diamond on and stay away from rockers and you should be fine.
@@BikerProtocol thank you . Enjoy your videos . A lot of helpful information
Is the dominant club always a 1% club? What makes the MC the dominant club? Is it numbers?
yea for the most part and reputation over decades of patching over other clubs and wars usually a smaller club needs blessing or an affiliation patch m of the bigger club in that area
Depends on the area. If you want to learn more, talk to MC members
Not always.
Riding clubs actually ride.
Can definitely say we know some riding clubs that put more miles on then several clubs together.
Idk man I’m in one and it’s the same 5 dudes who ride.
@@TineEdong time to expand your horizons.
@@chiefjoseph8154 I have been thinking that too but I am a newer rider I like what I’m doing now. I did a memorial run and we only had 6 and we were hosting the memorial at our lodge. I would like to see more riders but it is what it is.
How many bikers are required to start a club ?
We'll do a video on it but typically at least five.
What if that dominant club tells you no?
I went to 81 since they are the dominant in my area and they straight up told me no... Then proceeded to show up at my house a couple weeks later 20 deep trying to intimidate me.... All because I wanted to start an RC with 5 of my closest friends!!!
If a dominant club, especially the HAs tell you no, then the answer is no. There can be a lot of reasons for this (too many popup clubs in the area, your patch design, territory you are in, etc.) so maybe the best way to deal with this is to find an RC in your area and join that instead? One that goes on rides you like, one that supports your values, etc.
@@BikerProtocol their whole reasoning was because the last RC they gave the okay to got their asses beat by an MC... I told them my RC has nothing Todo with the outlaw community we're just life long friends who ride together and want to start a RC... No territory... No back patch... Just a small patch on the front of the cut with a name tag that says celticsonsRC.... Seems silly of them to be concerned with 6 friends who were doing stuff the right way .... The underlying thing was they want me and my guys to give them money for their poker runs and eventually they would let us join the HA..... But we don't want that ... We don't pay dues in my RC and there is no officers or anything like that! We do big rides to tail of the dragon and things like that.
@@BikerProtocol our "colors" are green and black so that has nothing Todo with it.... Basically I'm still doing my RC... Without a blessing.... So should be an interesting several years ahead of me
Be careful because once asked not to, may turn into action instead of interaction if that makes sense. It does depend on the territory for sure. They could be doing you a favor from what it sounds like from what happened to the previous RC. The big thing is that there are plenty of clubs RCs and MCs out there. Starting a new one is not easy as you see. If you don't want to pay dues or have officers, what's the point of starting an RC, just ride with your friends, put whatever patch on but don't call yourself a club.
Are all podcast bikers called Hollywood
Unfortunately yes. 😂
I'll just stick to riding alone or with a few friends from time to time. I just completed a 3,200 mile trip in 10 days and got to see what I wanted to see. I started riding a motorcycle to be free not to follow a bunch of bs rules.
We can relate to that. However, understand that a lot of motorcycle clubs put effort towards helping us keep those freedoms. A lot of clubs are part of organizations such as NCOM that help protect biker rights and freedoms.
Like your thoughts. It takes time and growing into a new family. The love of brothers is unwavering. Rules are only bad if there bad rules. Ride on keep it tight rubber side down
Two words, motorcycle club, Riding club.
Two words, derp and derp
How
How what?
M C IS A RIDING CLUB
In the essence you're right but a riding club is centered around just riding where as a motorcycle club is centered around motorcycles. It sounds the same but there are big differences. As stated in the video a motorcycle club has more structure, seriousness and protocol. The common bond is the motorcycle but what makes it deeper is the Brotherhood that comes with it, the rules and culture behind it.
@@BikerProtocol not to thread jack, but I heard that M.C. stood for Mens Club instead of Motorcycle Club, like it's commonly assumed. Is this true?
@@NotAffiliated I've heard this mentioned a few times over the years but I don't believe it to be true. If you go way back to the early clubs in Britain and then the first clubs that started up in the US, none of them call themselves a "Men's Club". The Yonkers MC always referred to themselves as a Motorcycle Club, as do the POBOBs, Boozefighters, and many of the other early clubs.
@@BikerProtocol You know, I'm trying to get to the bottom of it, because I keep hearing conflicting stories. One explanation I heard was that if you wanted a W.C. you became a Mens Club, but if not you remain a Motorcycle Club.
@@NotAffiliated My MC goes over to open houses that the POBOB's hold every now and then in our area. I'll see what their take is on it the next time I go over there but like I said, look at the earlies of clubs and they all refer to themselves as Motorcycle Clubs.
Bullshit I belong to an RC and our bylaws come from T
The. MC world
That might be in the case of your RC but most don't work that way.
Another protocol channel?
It's a very big community and yes, it's another channel, just like how new cooking channels pop up frequently, or new football channels, etc. We started this channel to offer a different kind of perspective into the biker community with a different style and format than other channels. You obviously came here to watch a video so we hope you find this one, and our other ongoing videos informative so please subscribe to our channel so you can get notifications of all of our new videos when they come out. Thanks!