Remap vs Tuning Box - Which is best?
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- It depends on your engine, if it is stock or modified, if your car is under warranty or leased and how much power you want.
0:00 Intro
0:13 How does each option work?
0:26 Tuning box, more detail
0.55 Tuning box example
1:43 Remap in more detail.
2.25 End result is the same, method is different
2:34 Basic remaps versus advanced remaps
2:55 Which is better for you? (Standard engines, under warranty, DIY)
3:40 Modified engines
4:04 Summary
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very helpful explanation, you deserve a bigger following
Brilliant mate, I've been running a tuning box for last 2 year and had my concerns but not anymore thankyou.
A massively underrated video this, just the facts and reality of the two systems. Having run both boxes and full dyno tunes I can agree they both have their place. My ute runs a box and my comp truck a remap, right application is the key
Great explanation, thank you. I'm giving a tuning box for my E91 320D serious thought. Nothing crazy, just the lowest setting giving around 225bhp (181bhp) and 330lbs/ft (280lbs/ft).
simple and easy to understand explanation. Thanks!
Great explanation, very clear and concise information on the merits of both types of tuning solutions.
I have a grtd4 tdi tuning box for f30 320d I am very happy with.
Hi would my engine break after I do a tuning box on my bmw 640d 132.000miles I wanna buy ur one the tdi one and is there any warranty if something happens to my car from u guys ?
@@gala-8407 your engine would be safe. We have been established since 2004 tuning vehicles. All our products undergo testing before they are released. Thank you.
Great and honest video..... subed👍
Well explained thanks. Just what I needed to know 😎👍🏻
Very happy with my tuning box
steve p any difference in average of vehicles n also power???
Great explanation. Thanks
Fantastic, you"be finally cleared that up for me, nice one 👍
Great explanation👍 I've put a blue spark box on my 2018 civic 1.5 and the results are brilliant, very easy to fit and remove when needed, highly recommend one😀
Everything still running good??
@@jasonscardina2733 works perfectly 👍
My car also allows me to run e85 will a tuning box take advantage of that?
Very helpful video 👍🏽
I’ve got a 2012 MK6 VW Jetta 2.0L TDI DSG. I was wondering whether I should get a stage 1 ECU Remap and a DSG remap or a Tuning Box ( It’s called dieseltronic in India.)?
Great video. Thanks for it
Very well explained
Great information
hi my wife has a mini clubman d with a sport button would a tunning box still work
Thanks from Denmark. ;-)
Anyone heard of Raceship GTS? How about the Vivid Racing ECU tuning box (not the flash)? I have a jaguar Xe 25t. Is there anything significantly different between them both besides the numbers?
thanks from Phils.
Hello, I would like to buy a power box for my Fiat 500L 1.3 Multijet 84Cv 200Nm, what you recommend?
great explain.
What about after exhaust? Will tuning box work with that?
Cat back is usually no problem.
Great imformation
What could happen to the engine if I fit a tuning box? Will it overwork other parts of the engine? Are there any negative effects to other parts of the car? I'm personally considering getting a tuning box for my C220d.
"Overwork" - Probably not. The engine is still controlled by the factory Mercedes software. If you accelerate and drive faster generally, logically things will wear faster.
Can not see now a power box when it connects to a fuel sensor on a engine can alter the timing and boost on a turbo diesel does anybody know thanks.
Hello Jeff. Tuning boxes generally do not change the injection timing at all. There are probably exceptions to the rule but I do not know of any. Closest I can think of is Steinbauer, I believe their products alter injection duration only, not timing.
Is the overall build of the tuning box the same or is there a difference between the 100 dollar, 300 dollar and 500 dollar tuning boxes?
Edit. Different products from the same brand will normally be of the same quality. Build quality between brands will not be the same (cases/materials/connectors/harnesses will vary).
Thanks for the answer. Some cars like Jaguar and Mercedes have different models with exactly the same engine but the performance is limited by the ECU. Can you fit the tuning box for the higher power model to the lower power version and have the same results?
Tough question. I suppose it would depend on how they have reduced the power, what software changes they made to the ECU. I wouldn't recommend it, just get the box that is designed for your specific car
Hi I’m just wondering i have a n/a civic type r ep3 its not been mapped I only have exhaust and induction kit will this tuning box be beneficial to a k20a2 engine im not wanting massive gains power wise just something to make it a bit faster. So do you think this will work thanks
Hi. These products are for cars which have a turbocharged engine from the factory
StrikeEngine TV thanks for the info 👍🏻
Great info but you said if you got a new exhaust you can’t use a tuner box?
Unless the box is tuneable itself, then it’s not a good solution. They have to be programmed to suit the vehicle in its standard form, once you start changing other components you run the risk of being “outside the parameters” of the box. Sometimes it won’t make a difference, but once you start stacking upgrades (i.e. Exhaust, Intake, Injectors ) then you move further and further away from the parameters that the box was programmed for, reducing its effectiveness.
can anyone tell me if its still suitable to use a tuning box if the only part im changing is a different muffler, otherwise everything else will be stock
Its best to use a tuning box on a close to standard engine, ie muffler change should be zero problem.
Wicho one Is better? I have an c63 amg 6.3
Dji Argentina if it’s stock then the tubing box
Can a tuning box be installed on a remapped engine to reach more power ? The car is original, no new parts.
HI! It depends on the tune but generally speaking no. Tuning boxes are designed for stock engines
Try watching the vid
Have a 2007 c230 and just want to be quicker what should I do
waht did iu do
If i already have remap on my car and i want more power,can i add the tuning box to it??
Thanks
no
André Carvalho thats actually incorrect the bmw community does it all the time
Yes you can it's called stacking tunes
it's actually work but scary when engine making trouble
One thing I don't recall him mentioning is tuning box gives much better gains on turbo diesel engines over petrol engines.
You are 100% correct. I will do another video specifically comparing remaps vs tuning boxes on turbo petrol engines
Did you ever do a video comparing remaps and Tuning boxes for petrol engines?
What if u use a tuning box on top of a remap? Havent seen people talk about this...
Maybe if you have a tuning box and put a tune on top of that, it would work, but I don't see a reason for doing it. I think it would be much better just to do the remap.
What about the fuelling, you only address the charge air, you won't get any benefits unless the fueling matches the air flow.
Hi. For the tuning box you mean? Fuelling is looked after by the factory ECU (not the tuning box). The ECU injects fuel according to the MAF signal & also the lambda signal. More boost = more air entering the engine = raised MAF signal = more fuel.
Car TV - StrikeEngine.com Ah, I made the comment based on the headline description and without seeing a reference to the unit. So that's more of a boost modifier than a "tuning box" to my mind. Thanks for taking the time to clarify.
On a diesel engine, the airflow matches fuel. Opposite to petrol...
If the dealer looks into it they can see your car's been running higher boost on acceleration as these numbers are apparently recorded. And if you're making a warranty claim they will look into it! I've been thinking of getting a JB or BlueSpark tuning box for my m135i and seen a lot of these claims about it not recording on the ECU but a BMW technician on one of the forums made it pretty clear that if they know what they're looking for you can't hide it.
Hi. I've heard this also but never with an explanation as to how. *From my point of view* if the ECU does not know the actual boost pressure I don't know how it could record the actual boost pressure. I suppose a dealer could make a *guess* as to the boost pressure looking at other data but at the end of the day, they would be guessing, not knowing.
So I've seen a couple of posts giving alternative views which I'll copy here- apologies for the wall of text but some people might find it interesting! First this guy who works for BMW, writing on a forum about a Bluespark Box:
"I ran the box on my car at level 5 for around a week before it threw on the EML and even after the EML came on the car ran perfectly. I plugged the car in at work and got the ambient pressure sensor fault code, reset it and carried on with the box connected. The EML came on later that evening and drove it for a few days like that before removing the box the day before my car went into service.
Once removed the EML went off again but the technician at work said theres a stored fault on the car has your engine light come on atall, i obviously acted dumb and said no! He said they had looked through all the data logs etc and couldnt find a fault, cleared the fault and road tested and all is well so very hard to trace by the looks of things!"
But then this guy explains why warranty claims can be dismissed:
"Can BMW detect a piggyback after its been removed? YES
Several people and a few vendors claim it can't be seen by BMW since it changes the signals from the sensors hiding the extra boost and airflow. However BMW knows exactly how much fuel the car uses at all temperatures and authorized fuels (E0-E10) so if it is outside that range there is a mechanical failure/change or the tune has been altered. On a stock car the trims stay below 10%. A car with a piggy routinely sees above 20% during wide open throttle but goes back to normal while cruising. It's very obvious looking at data logs.
Secondly they can take the time it takes for the car to accelerate based on speed or rpm rise over time and determine how much power it takes to accelerate the known mass of the car in the known amount of time. not perfectly accurate due to varying conditions but they can clearly see an extra 80-100 hp. It's how programs like virtual dyno work. virtualdyno.net/
Second, will they void your warranty due to a tune?
If you make a warranty claim for a major failed part BMW opens a PUMA case and requests the ECU data. They will see the tune/piggyback data and void the claim. I'm sure someone somewhere has gotten away with it for whatever reason but based on numerous posts on the forums and conversations with many SA's, the claim will not be honored."
Although he also says he's been tuning turbo BMWs for 4 years and never seen a piggyback alone cause a failure. I guess it depends how much effort they put into looking for it?
It's simple, there are multiple sensors on each car that give away over boosting the air pressure. Maf is one fir a start. Fuel flow, knock sensor. All of these start sending abnormal signals using a box, so there's a fairly obvious smoking gun.
Hmmm, interesting. Everyone says the remap is so much better as tuning box is deceiving the ECU so it can create many problems.
A tuning box can cause problems if its adjustable **and** the user puts the settings too high. Solution here is to reduce the settings.
So you wouldn't recommend a TDI tuning box with 7 settings?
For an RCZ HDI
So in layman’s terms it’s telling the cars ecu lies 🤷♂️
Tuning boxes leave behind shadow codes for over fuelling and stuff.Very detectable!!
3:18 *WRONG* a tuning box is detected after being used, even if removed. You don't know much about cars or forensics, or how insurers worked with police for years to collect evidence.
A tuning box is rubbish, it takes no inputs from any engine components like the ECU can.
It is just a £2 voltage multiplier. Sold for hundreds.
Get a proper REMAP and at least your car will operate properly.
Hi. I don't class products which are just a voltage multipliers as tuning boxes. They are indeed "rubbish". This video is not about this type of "product".
This video is about tuning boxes such as those from DTE etc