Firas Zahabi on Islam, Spirituality, Philosophy and Afterlife | #93
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@@Seanus32 fact that a panthesit may support ibn sina and ibn Arabi says alot, thanks.
I think objective experience outwardly is more important and from Islam's wisdom and justice.
I took what I want..
positive of course
Excellent topic and discussion
JazakAllahu khair for connecting us akhi
Everytime there's an atheism element in a discussion.. Brother suboor is always there. Assalamualaikum Brother...love ❤️ from India
@Subboor Ahmad Jazakullah Khair
@Subboor Ahmad Akhi can you recommend Hamzas den for these brothers to do a show with plzzzz.
is 'god' not metaphor for boundless energy?
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Brother Firas Zahabi is a hidden gem in the dawah. I hope he will make more appearances in the dawah scene.
100% agree. And he is not even a da'ae, he is just casually talking and explaining his points. Also i think this is very important but unfortunately very neglected type of dawah. Most of the time people are only quoting ayahs/ hadiths without going into depth of meaning, wisdom and beauty of Islam.
Yes, knowledge is important but i think every knowledge should be implemented and transformed into wisdom because that's how it stays with us and changes us as a persons. But unfortunately lot of people are superficial in their beliefs and that's why their faith get shaken easily...
His point about God vs Nihilism is so true. I was born muslim but turned atheist. I really thought there is no need for a god in order to live right and subhanallah i was brought to my knees realizing what nihilism brought into my life. It got to the point where i wanted to commit suicide because i really thought none of this had any meaning so why should i keep suffering. Alhamdulilah Allah listened to my cries at my lowest point asking for a sign of Him and now its been almost one year since i reverted back and like Firas said, my faith is unshakeable because of knowing there is a fitrah.
mashaAllah
brother this remind me a lot of my life (i thought i was gonna die so i prayed for the first time), however i am not a muslim and i just read the quran everyday for guidance because reading and reflection on quran almost feels like the best advice that is in the dunya. i will keep reading and reflection on quran, god willing we will end on the right path.
@@John-nb7bw thats good brother mashallah. Read it with an open heart and think deeply on its telling you. Allah will never misguide the one who has humbled himself infront of Him and is sincerely seeking Him. Walk to Him and He will run towards you. Keep steadfast brother 🙏🏾
@@rustyray420 gotchu fam ✊🏼. You too.
same.
as a non muslim, firas making hella sense
About 72 virgin or pedophile which ones
Halfway through and this man said many things gave me goosebumps... damn
SubhanAllah haha
Whenever Firas speaks, it is always pure gold. Also this is only 1 of 3!! Alhamdulillah
Was literally waiting for this episode to drop as soon as it was announced! Love listening to Coach Firas talking about philosophy & religion. JazakAllah Khair to you brothers for all your efforts.
Asalamwalaikum. The Fajr story in the beginning always gets me. I’ll never forget the evening of my shahada. The tears flowed from one side of the city to the next. Islam is a beautiful!🕋
Been watching this podcast over and over for 3 days. Just eating rice and working out. Wish i had a mosque i could go to. Thanks for sharing so much great information.
Subhanallah, what a podcast. Brother Firas has such a good way of teaching, probably why he is so successful in training and teaching his athletes as well. Can't wait for the next episode on masculinity, it's such an important topic!
سلام عليكم..
I love This conversation..
Listening from Egypt and I am a Grandmother...
So..
You Are my Sons in Islam..
Then the human aspects of being a part of the Ummah..
Our Messenger* Saw* Say..
Our Ummah is like One Body..
When one part hurt or wounded Ness All The Body Hurts..
And we know..
Also aspects of our Creed and Fiq issues some which is clear and simple.
Fard Al Ayn and Fard Qifaya..
Some of us doing obligations and giving Rights of Human hood..
For us all..
May Allah Protect Us All and Guide us Through Seeking His Pleasure..
Thanks and keep Safe..
🌏
Ghazalli..
Tazkia inspirations 💜
SubhanAllah, his way of teaching is one of the best I've experienced. I'm not gonna lie, I've been struggling with my imaan a lot lately, but this episode really helped clear my doubts.
Guys I really appreciate enormously that you let firas talk this much without interrupting. May Allah bless you.
mashaAllah what an episode man. This episode blew my mind.
JazakAllahu khair brothers.
Wa iyaak habibi
Why is this podcast too short! We need more of Brother Firas, Subhanallah my mind just exploded listening to the level of understanding of reality that Allah SWT has given to Brother Firas. It made me speechless and my heart trembles when he talked about the reality of salah and the question of if we would still be a Muslim if everyone has become disbelievers in this world. Lailahaillallah. Allahuakbar. Alhamdulillah. Subhanallah.
as a hindu indian, can you explain why kashmir should be free and what kashmir are you talking about geographically?
@@treehigh5156 cause the Kashmiris want it . Period.
@@fardeen2527 you mean the kashmiri sunni muslims? no hindu/sikh/buddhist kashmiri wants freedom. also kashmiri sunnis are the majority only in the valley. is that what you are talking about?
@@treehigh5156 when I say that the Indians wanted freedom from the British , I am not referring to those who were ok with it , I am talking about the VAST MAJORITY . And the vast majority of the valley happened to be muslims whether you like it or not .
The Kashmir's liberation movement can be argued from two ideologies ie Islamism and Kashmiri nationalism.
If you are referring to the former then yes it's only the muslims who desire and I don't see anything wrong with it however the latter is also very popular and accepted by many kashmiri sikhs , Hindus etc . I know atheists who are in favour of independent kashmir.
@@treehigh5156 and yes I am specifically talking about the valley not Jammu and Ladakh
Brother Firas, Allahumma barik for being here with us! #theMuslimAlchemist #patreongang
Patreon gang
firas's podcasts are like therapies for soul to me
Loved this discussion. Love every minute here , with great appreciation-
two week old subscriber.
One of the best videos you’ve done. Firas is a gem. Rewind and rewatch!
Firas Zahabi is one of my favorite Muslim thinkers in the world! Masha Allah
As a philosophy learner and lover myself, let me add on to this conversation. When we are young and developing and we look at the various things in the world, let's say a red coffee mug. In order to fully understand what I see infront of me I will have to have the concept of colors and the concept of a coffee mug. I learn these concepts from a source outside of myself, such as my parents. In the absence of either concept, my experience of seeing that red coffee mug is incomplete. Now if this is with regards to perceptual knowledge and beliefs, what about the concepts I hear about, such as morality, that I cannot directly observe through my eyes but I can hear about them from other people and also feel some understanding of the concept inside of me i.e. moral intuition. Our belief (or potential to believe/inclination to believe) in Allah is ingrained inside of us through our fitrah and this fitrah is completed by understanding the true concept of God through Divine Revelation, thereby seeing the world through a complete picture.
MashaAllah!! ☝🏼
Are u an revert brother? ☝🏼😇
The end of this Episode was a pure gem. Especially with Philosophy and Free Thinking. Why would God/Allah give us a brain if he didn’t want us to think or question? MashaAllah. 🤲🏽 📝 ✍🏽
Thank you very much for this amazing Podcast. Firas Zahabi is the main reason I was able to reconnect to my believe to allah and made the decision to revert to Islam only a few weeks ago. I have never been so happy and confident in my life! It is a spiritual awakening for sure. AllahuAkbar
MashAllah! I wish that Firas could hold a speach at Zaytuna collage. Love to see him together with Hamza Yusuf. I think there are people on youtube who speaks a lot about islam, and some maybe do it just for the sake of arguing or attention.. but I feel Firas really understands islam at its core. He does present islam in a way that our new generation can comprehend.. its really amazing. Many of us would pray all our life and not come to the core essence of our religion.. even though its so simple really, but we make it so hard.. not only for our selves but also for others who den turn away from it. “Verily, the religion is easy and no one burdens himself in religion but that it overwhelms him..."
Yes and I think he is talking about tassawuf when he is talking about direct experience with الله. Scholars like ghazali had high level and expertise in all fields particularly in tassawuf
I learned a lot from this, Jazakullah Khair brothers for letting the guest say what he needs to without interrupting them
Maan! Whenever brother Firas talks.....I just feel like, he should do nothing else but talk for the rest of his life!
Zajhakumullahu khairan brothers. My heartiest Du'as for all of you.
Liked the video before even watching, knowing Firas Zahabi is going to speak some major soul enriching content. Man always has me reflecting deeply, he is so well articulate, Masha Allah. Big ups to you brothers for bringing him through for the rest of us. May Allah reward your efforts.
Firas Zahabi is a living library so much knowledge and wisdom. Thank you so much for this insightful interview,💯
SUBHANALLAH ❤️🤍❤️
_Listening to the conversation was like stepping in a Mental Gym._
The coach is in the building!!
Man
I can listen to Bro Firas all day without boring me!! ✌️
MashaAllah ☝🏼
YES! i already know this one is gonna be so good
This blew my mind, firas is a unique specimen Mashallah
Mashallah, brother Zahabi, beautiful insight into Ghazali's teachings
20 minutes in and I've gained some life changing knowledge from this video. This was an excellent discussion.
1. Brother Firas promotes and practices what he preaches which makes him genuine
2. He speaks words of wisdom and truth which makes him a wise teacher
3. He teaches discipline determination dedication in order to foster the drive for actualization of the dream which makes him a leader
MashaAllah very fruitful conversation.JazakaAllah guys
I can sit and listen to Firas Zahabi talk about islam for hours. He is so knowledgeable machallah. May God grant him Janna
When Firas mentioned about the dream and it feels like a lifetime. It actually feels like that!! When I was dreaming recently I was a professor teaching in the dream and it seemed like I have been doing this for years!!!! So true.
What a delightful conversation! Perfect weekend treat👌
It’s no wonder why Gsp is the goat. He has a bunch of awakened savages behind him coaching him. What a wise human
SubhanAllah. GSP has incredible will power and an open mind but you can tell he is not the brightest. It took years to discover but it's not surprise this brother is the mastermind behind one of the greatest fighters of out times
@@eraldmamo6965 look up jon daher. His ju jitsu coach. Former Columbia professor of philosophy
You guys need to bring back the timestamps inshAllah!
This is a great conversation. Thank you
Keep Firas Zahabi away from the mma talk, he is way better at philosophizing 😂 … amazing discussion boys
More Firas Zahabi with more Philosophical topics in relation to islam plz.
For those who don't know, Firas is one of the greatest MMA coaches in ufc history. He trained GSP and many other greats.
May Allah (SWT) guide everybody to the straight path of Islam.
Thank you brothers.
These islamophobes are so desperate to mislead and feed doubts, while watching this video there was an ad about "ex-Muslim" it's unreal the effort they put in spreading hate and misinformation. My dua is that we all stay steadfast on deen and be the best Muslims we can be each passing day IA. Thanks for the post! I think we need a collab with brother Firas, blogging philosophy!
Ameen
One strategy they use is to sew a seed of doubt. It’s so easy to see them playing their games.
I would live to see you guys do a live reaction to Mohammed Hijab’s podcast with Jordan Peterson (as Hijab is good friends with Zahabi). I still find it hard to comprehend that he was on Joe Rogan’s podcast.
I wanted Zahabi to talk more about Ibn Sina and Al-Ghazali's disagreement. I couldn't find much online about the dispute. Please, someone who knows philosophy, explain it to me. I really like philosophy.
Trust me its sooo complex that first you should have arabic to understand the nuances. But at one point it comes to tassawuf, ibn ´arabi has too high level of understanding of tassawuf for the majority of us
Best episode yet mashallah
Most expected one 🔥🥳🤩
Firas speaks. I listen.
3muslims inshallah you guys really need to keep bringing people on here to explain the “fitrah” to non Muslims and to dismantle the new age/spiritualism movement, it is becoming huge in the west and they believe God or the power is the universe and all humans are gods.
We need to really break it down and show them the truth of islam and how the fitrah is the natural state and how that is Islam.
We need a very good video that completely debunks new age and this anything goes spirituality religion.
I honestly believe if we explained “THE FITRAH” probably many new age people will come to islam in droves by Allahs will..
Amazing episode.
There are a lot of people who are Muslims and look very religious yet are horrible humans and there are Muslims who aren’t as religious but are the most nicest and kindest humans
I can listen to Firas Zahabi for hours. Excellent episode 👌. Please do bring him back.
I’m 16 mins in and my minds blown. Wow.
May Allah give you long life
Amazing 🤩 ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Top podcast of all time , this episode was elite mashallah thanks for the great content brothers!!! ❤️
great episode habibis
Most of you guys are younger than me, but I really benefit from you guys. May Allah make it easy for you guys and increase you in the dunya and akhirah
Enjoyed this podcast very much. Jazakumullahu khayr
Spectacular episode with Firas. The man is a genius!
I would however like to correct him here
1:16:18 It's *not reformer* , but *reviver* !
SubhanAllah. I got a headache trying to grasp what Firas said.
Brother Firas = The MMA Alchemist
Great podcast. Firas is an MMA legend. He trained George St Pierre 🐐 I remember him on Joe Rogan talking about Philosophy is I couldn’t understand 70% of it. Super smart guy.
Im a new revert and hearing him talking about philosophy with the context of Islam makes a lot of sense and for some reason I understand most of it.
Hopefully you guys him on again. Inshallah.
Allahumma barik brother
Amazing episode !!!! Mashallah
Salaam only one God and it's Allah SWT love here from South Africa Johannesburg pray 5 time a day
great discussion ! thank you
Masha'Allah
On my second listen . Great stuff
This was great.
Great Podcast guys, can't wait for the next episodes!
Also, why don't you guys cut out the parts when he has to call his family? Seems private.
Not really since it wasn’t private and we wanted to show his akhlaaq. A lot is said through actions and how much he cares about his family should be modeled for men
@@The3Muslims That's fair. I just personally felt awkward being a stranger listening in on his phone conversations lol
@ 45:22 the prophet says "die before you die". I think he is talking about "ego death"
brother firas always blows my mind .... When he shares what he has been reading inspires me. We consume so much junk whereas he is obviously picking up some real gems. MashaAllah the only thing I would say that he said rocks and trees don't have awareness... I would disagree as the mount uhud would shake when the prophet saw would be upon it...similarly there are other hadiths... Allah swt says too that everything submits to Allah but we just don't witness it. But still that's just a side point his... Main discussion was brilliant.
Brother Anghel needs a chair for this one.
At 1:09:25 the brother starts to talk about those lucid moments of awareness of your existence! I wish he could’ve carried on with that conversation as I’ve had this experiences myself and want to understand it’s significance
1:03:00 Firas Zahabi mentioned Blogging Theology
very insightful
Jazak Allahu khayr
MashaAllah Brother Firas is talking about Brother Paul aka Blogging Theology 😇
i love this episode !
jazkaAllah Khair 🥰
All I want is to make money with the least effort and time. Make a big library at home and read my guts off. Knowledge is the best entertainer. Say ameen people
1:09:30 this moment, which can be described as the moment you realize that you are concious, is the reason i 100% believe in Allah. I can not logically explain the link between the two things, as i am not fully aware of it, but when i first had this sudden realization of conciousness (when i was like 11-12 years old) it was all the proof for me to believe in Allah.
Please, don't waste time with talk about MMA and fitness when Firas has his own video channel for this. Please brothers. This type of content and all the videos when Firas talks about philosophy really improves my imaan. If you want to know about MMA and fitness, go to his channel. Seek the reward of Allah by this type of discussion! Thank you!
There are the Senses (of which we have 5), the faculty of "Reason" (Basically the brain in conjunction with other areas) and then there is the category of *Direct Acquaintance*, which is what the Heart + Soul are responsible for. All three work in conjunction to make a Human Being "functional".
Throughout Human History, there have been different groups (e.g. the Greek materialists, the Hindu Carvaka school, etc) who have tried to get rid of the third category, and place "Reason" as the final arbiter. But this has always failed, because there is no basis for "Reason" to be foundational anyhow.
The Senses are taken, sorted and "made sense of" by Reason. Otherwise, everyone would just be overwhelmed with all the different irrelevant sensations they all feel (e.g. the random lukewarm sensation on the third toe on your left leg which feels slightly warmer than usual today).
Reason makes the Senses *Relevant* a la making the Irrelevant Obscure and keeping only a narrow Slit Relevant at a time. Similarly, *Direct Acquaintance* plays an Analogous Role in keeping "Reason" in check. Otherwise, "Reason" goes off on its own and creates a Huge Mess.
The 20th century itself is proof of that (a la the rise of Atheistic Communism), and the various other "Reason"-centric ideologies which rose recently (such as the Alphabet people and their "woke"-ism and whatnot); all in conjunction show that "Reason" is highly over-rated.
In fact, it can be argued that the breakdown we see all around us (at both the individual and social levels) in the Modern West; which has dubbed itself the "Champion of Reason" is simply a Great Proof for Allah (Az-za-wa-jal)'s Existence; and further affirmation of *Direct Acquaintance* being real.
To say the reason is overrated is an ignorant statement. Not only in the sense that we are literally here discussing deep and complex philosophy matters using this very thing you call "overrated", but also the fact that you are using the internet/youtube and access information literally in less than a second. I'm not saying modernity had only a positive outcome, but unless one is willing to disassociate with anything that technology has brought, it's arrogant to undermine reason. You would not be surviving if everything associated with reason was to be eliminated. You would have no heat, electricity, car, internet, or food (unless you literally live in a forest and know how to hunt).
@@bardia8225 This is classic modernist posturing. It's very similar to the non sequitur arguments the Western far right make when they say "Well, if you don't like the West, why are you here and why are people still showing up here"?
Both that non sequitur and this one presented here (i.e. "If reason is so awful; why are you employing it here, in tandem with everyone else who is on the internet, using technology, etc?") can be answered using the same line of argumentation- To point out that alternative explanations exist to account for the social, technical and cultural landscape which you are enamoured by.
Namely; the bulk of technology, engineering, etc results not from "reason" but via trial and error, dumb luck, risk taking, etc. Science as an enterprise functions akin to (say) how English students write book reviews about a novel, article, etc; after the fact. They have little to do with the actual practical process (and which often involves eschewing reason entirely).
The people in SSK (i.e. Sociology of Scientific Knowledge) and the off shoot movements that developed from it have basically demonstrated (via their analytic and field work) that a lot of the common myths regarding "science and reason" are just that- Myths. In particular, the testimony that individual scientists give regarding "what we do in the lab" is very faulty.
In general then; your whole notion noted earlier (i.e. that reason played the primarily role in social, technological and cultural areas these past few centuries or so) doesn't survive when similar critical standards (such as looking at testimonials of people working the field and collating that back) gets applied.
@@ahnafhabib2750 I'm sorry but what you've stated is not really a strong counterargument to the point I was raising.
I'm not sure how you claim that I have used nonsequitur arguments? It's a perfectly reasonable response to say: "it's arrogant to claim that "reason' is overrated when this is literally how we evaluate ideas, and determine in this very discussion, whether your ideas are more sounds or mine. You don't try to use emotions, intuitions, faith, or Fitrah to debate someone. I am not claiming that reason is the only tool needed for human beings, and I'm aware of the negative impact of over-emphasis on reason which can lead to moral degradation as many moral issues cannot be explained/solved by reasoning alone. However Fitrah, faith, and intuition can only be used for 'personal' enlightenments as when discussing with others, you can't make them tap into their Fitra, or faith to understand your position, you can only use reason to try to somehow articulate the idea that 'reason' is not the only gift that Allah has given to humans.
Furthermore, as an engineer, I would have to disagree with you. Of course, not every engineering or scientific breakthrough is due to sheer ingenuity or exceptional deductive reasoning. A lot of luck is involved in big breakthroughs, but that does not undermine the importance of reasoning. The reasoning is the foundation of the most basic scientific and engineering analysis. Analytical thinking itself is only possible through reasoning and deduction. So the contribution of luck, risk-taking, trial and error to innovation does not at all undermine the importance of reasoning.
Finally, regarding the "modernist posturing of the western far-right" saying: "if you don't like the West, why are you here", I must say, I have thought about this. Obviously, the racist remarks and responses to us Muslims criticizing the west are foolish but there are certain issues that I am in doubt about. I understand the Quranic concept stating that wealthy and prosperous people are not necessarily morally good or favored by Allah. But I assume that on a large/national scale, some level of moral virtue and honesty is required for prosperity and advancement. I cannot understand that a nation can become so advanced and prosperous if, most of its citizens are morally corrupt. I believe the materialistic success of the country is somewhat related to the moral state of that country. I do understand the major factor in Muslims' migration to Europe is due to imperialism, colonialism, and Europe taking advantage of other countries. But can we blame all the problems in Muslim countries on western imperialism? Why are we migrating to Europe if they are morally more corrupt and deviated than our own countries? And why do we find more success and prosperity in their kufr system? Is prosperity completely independent of moral principles?
@@bardia8225 the reason for mass migration is primarily economic. But this is less an evidence for “the West being successful”, and more rather a sign of its inevitable demise.
Mass migrations are always historically followed by huge wars. Be it the Romans post Aurelius or other historical examples; they all have that same blueprint.
The bulk of people are merely chasing their materialistic whims and desires; and this coupled with the fact the western nations need a cheap labor force during peacetime (and a draft-able army during the inevitable losing conflict with the Eurasians) just means that the geostrategic trend is toward world war.
This is because mass migration inevitably makes the host country dependent on mercenary armies, mass drafts, focus too much on “technology”, etc whilst eschewing fundamentals. The Germanic tribes overran Rome quite easily; even though the legions of Rome at the time had the best metalwork of the era (just as an example).
As for your anecdotes and whatnot as an engineer- that’s all well and good; but as the SSK people (and others) would say- testimony is only as good as the narrative chain’s overall soundness.
You may have certain personal views regarding how lofty and indispensable reason is (or ought to be), but the practical, intuitive work done by people in the field (a la SSK and derivative movements) have concretely destroyed these illusions.
“Reason” as described by most people is a myth. There are glimpses of “behaviour and tendencies” that can be dubbed reasonable when one does the requisite observation of scientists, engineers, etc working the field; but even in those situations more often than not the dominant forces are (as noted earlier) involuntary gut instincts and tendencies rather than anything systematic.
This is because even the most thorough of “STEM” people engage in activity a la ritual, intuition, instinct, etc and then after the fact they justify their tendencies in a systematic way and dub it “reasonable, consilient to scientific rigour”, etc. All the while the observers in the other corner of the lab clearly can pinpoint (via analysis of micro behaviours, involuntary habits, etc) the exact moments and timeframes in which the STEM bloke in question essentially “ran on gut”.
"Nihilism is not a negation of God, but a protest against his absence, as with Beckett, a protest against the absence of man"...- Alija Ali Izetbegovic (Islam Between East and West).
So often is "atheism". An atheist often questions, "If there's a God, then why doesn't He solve all the problems/ all sufferings" etc etc, always refusing to ask the same question about his own responsibility, "If you are a man, why don't you remove some of the sufferings that you can?"
Y’all should do time stamps
I agree with Brother Firas
1. We don't become one with God(that is shirk)
2. There is nothing but God LA ILAHA IL ALLAH
3. Everywhere you look you the face of God Quran Shariff al Karim Surah Al Baqarah 2:115 "And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah. Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing."
4. So in order to see that you need to not exist(the true death or Fana annihilation) and by doing so you only recognize the existence of The One True God Allah Hu Haqq. (Indirectely and inversely as you don't really exist except as a metaphor of light and shadow play that AlGhazali and IbnArabi mention.)
5. The closer we get to Subhan Allah wa Tala the less you exist and the more The One exists.
6. Just like the Al Ghayb is unseen by definition, the face of God is also unseen, until you become unseen, or non existent in the empirical and corporeal sense of existence only not in Ruh or spirit. Without Allah's Ruh we don't exist we are only clay or material.
7. In other words Fana or annihilation only then can you become Baqa or truly created.
8. Not only were we created to only worship Allah s.w.t. but until you dont exist in matter time and space can you appreciate that the face of Allah can be seen through energy.
9. Allah s.w.t. has no form in the material definition yet all that exists reflects His Face.
10. If you cleanse your heart of its stains or sins then and only the can the heart be polished to reflect the Divine Nur of Allah.
11. But the closest we can get is that mirror.
12. However a mirror simply reflects the image presented and is never the image itself and there is no image except the face of Allah s.w.t.
13. The truth is that only Allah is the Haqq or truth, nothing else.
14. I said we can try to emulate the Divine attributes of the Divine names but never fully materialize them all as they are known solely to The One.
15. This is the sirr al asrar or the secret of secrets. The truth finds those who seek it.
Why did I read the title as
First Sahabi
Al-hamdu lillahi Rabb il-'alamin.
Anghel is standing trough the whole podcast 😅
AhaHahahahahah
Alhamdulillah this brother destroys nihilism by just describing it. SubhanAllah I don't think brother Firas himself realized he dismantled the ideology by just trying to describe it. Guided by the Kind of the everything
Subhanallah
My question to br Firaas would be, how does one protect him from going too deep into philosophy and not dive into falsehood. Imam Ghazzali was much respected and very well rounded in fiqh, ilm-al-kalam, sufism etc, but he wasn't very well versed in hadith sciences and couldn't distinguish between weak and strong hadith from what I have read. Something that Shaykh ul Islam Ibn Tayymiyah mentions. But indeed Al Ghazzali was devoted and clearly a great intellectual of his time. I know brother Firas touched on this topic a bit at the end but it would be nice to expand on this as I know he is aware of some of these issues.
If more than anything we should dive into a deep critical analysis of Imam Al Ghazzali's work, and maybe I ask the t3m brothers that somebody with good knowledge of Hadith and aware of the life of Al Ghazzali. Would be good to discuss the dangers of Philosophy and have someone come on the podcast to explain the issues of usage. The reason why I ask this is that in the Dawah scene we see sometimes brothers overextend in the usage of philosophy and lose track of what should and should not be discussed.
Again much respect to brother Firaas as you can clearly tell he is not blindly praising any scholar without understanding that there were faults, but praising them for the good that they do have and has amazing awareness. Would be good to have him on again at some point as I learned a lot from this.
This blog I read (link below) quoted something profound from Imam Ghazzali’s (ra) Ihya which addressed the woes of kalam:
On the benefits of kalam, the Ghazalian insight may come as a surprise to some: ‘As for its benefit, it might be expected that it is to uncover truths and to know them as they truly are. If only that were so! Kalam theology is simply unable to fulfill this noble aim, and it probably confuses and misguides more than it reveals or teaches. If you had heard this from a hadith scholar or hashawi-literalist, you might have thought: “People are an enemy to what they don’t know.” So hear this instead from one highly versed in kalam; who left it after gaining mastery of it; who plunged its depths as far as any theologian can; who then went onto immerse himself in other sciences closely related to kalam, before realising that the path to the realities of gnosis (haqa’iq al-ma‘rifah) was barred from this angle. By my life, kalam theology is not void of revealing, defining or clarifying some issues, but it does so rarely, and about matters that are already evident or that could probably be understood without delving into the art of kalam at all. Rather, it has one single benefit: to guard the common man’s creed that we have just outlined [in the Jerusalem Creed], and protect it by way of argument from the misgivings of heretic.”
- From the 16th paragraph of the blog
Blog Link: www.google.com/amp/s/thehumblei.com/2020/06/09/kalam-the-hanbalis-is-it-really-relevant-today/amp/
"too deep into philosophy and not dive into falsehood..."
What is 'too deep' for a Muslim? When he finds what he seeks, he thanks Allah for the guidance, when he cannot, he is patient until the Day when all curiosities will be answered. Besides, he knows fully well that 'they encompass nothing from the Knowledge except what He wills'.
Indeed, Imam al Ghazzali expanded on so-called 'hadithes' that he didn't know were fabricated; but isn't the Quran enough to filter those out? As long as it doesn't go beyond how the Quran explains the matter, why is there such a scare?
We can do it now too, agree with him what does not contradict with the Quran, and hadithes that are authentic.
- "without delving into the art of kalam at all" - Then is when the 'art' becomes 'art for art's sake', poetry becomes a pursuit of charming rhymes instead of the content it purports to present. It's an instrument that works very well in showing the fallacy of infinite regression, but in other cases, perhaps a different lens may work for a clearer vision of an object.
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1) you just said it yourself he didn’t know between right and wrong Hadith. That’s already a red flag indicator. That’s a very big issue not a minor one.
2) you’re making an assumption that everyone is clear on the Quran and understands arabic to a point where they can filter these out.
@@thoughtsinc6345 - It is more dangerous not to understand the Quran than wrong hadithes. What are you going to do, throw everything he wrote away and not benefit from his writings at all? "It is very dangerous to..." is too often used by people. It is known already that we shall encounter many weak hadithes in our lifetime, and a friend somewhere will correct us, and we can move on. As long as one doesn't intend to corrupt, misrepresent, or make up a Hadith, one doesn't have to be too worked up.
A thought remembered from a dream
The manifestation of matter is not all that it seems
If the Divine Light should ever go out
Then darkness would rule without a doubt
Do what's right in the light
Do what's right especially at night
Do what's right even at your own cost
Do what's right even unto the lost
Mā shāʾ Allāh, this was a very insightful podcast. Although, I have one question for @Tristan Gym. When you give the example of how everyone who can speak of God has necessarily experienced God, and draw the analogy of a blind man’s inability to experience the color red; could the following not be a reasonable enough way to explain it?:
A blind man can never know how red looks like (i.e. its ‘how-ness’); however, he can still talk about the fact that something appears red when visible light is of a certain wavelength (even though he can never see it). Similarly, maybe the reason we can talk about God is that we understand how God is defined (i.e. All-Knowing, All-Powerful, The Most Wise, etc.), and not because of experiencing Him. Because, again, we can never know the ‘how-ness’ of God (i.e. how God is), but we can still talk about it in terms of its defining qualities as mentioned above.
Please help me see if I am misunderstanding the argument in any way. Jazāk Allāhu Khayran, and thank you to @The3Muslims for bringing brother Firas Zahabi on here!
amazing podcast! Are there any books you recommend to understand the Quran and hadiths in this meaningful manner? we need more of these podcasts really in-depth analysis of Islamic principles MA JazakAllah Khair!
I read The Thematic Commentary of the Quran by Muhammad Al Ghazali whenever I want a deeper understanding of a surah. I really like the way it's written.