You'd think that they would outright confirm her to be the mother since the evidence is stacked in support of it. Maybe they're just leaving it open ended in case they change their mind.
Hmm… I don’t know all of this is interesting, but I don’t think it’s enough to definitively prove it. It definitely makes it more likely but I don’t think it’s quite enough to prove it.
Mai and Zuko were meant to be together just like Sokka and Suki were also meant to be together. It just feels right. I know that I'm not the writer nor producer of the show. However, I can express my opinion on it.
I don’t know why the creators did Sokka dirts? They likely broke up Sokka and Suki, completely forgot about the kiyoshi warriors, for no reason.. Sokka could have led a happy marriage, but now there are hints that he was alone and was possibly killed by Zaheer…
@@jameshanlon5689 Yeah. I didn't like how they turned the stories of ATLA characters in comics or TLOK. I liked the ending of ATLA. And, about the whereabouts of Zuko's mother, they should have made extra episodes for it rather than releasing it in comics.
I heard a lot of theories who is izumis mother (Jin, Suki, Ty Lee for example ) but we have to remember that Zuko is the firelord and his position doesn't allow him to merry just everyone. Mai is from fire nations aristocracy so she's a proper wive for a firelord. Ty Lee has the same background so she would be the only known alternative to Mai. But to just merry a peasant girl from the earth kingdom would be seen at least as scandalous in the fire nation. Even in modern monarchies we can see how much trouble happens when a royal merries a common woman for example when prince Harry merried Meghan or his grand grand uncle king Edward VIII who had to lay down the crown for merrying a common woman from the US.
We kinda saw the opposite tho. Zuko's mother was pretty much a nobody except for her connection with roku. She was a comedian from a far away province of the fire nation, and ozai married her anyways. And her ties with roku were pretty much a secret, so as far as the general population, and probably azulon too, knew the fire prince married a nobody. Now, that's not to say marrying fire nztion aristocracy wouldn't be better seen but it's not mandatory. Now for jin, we haven't seen her since season 3, and people can change quite a lot in a few years. So it's not impossible for her to have climbed the ranks, possibly with iroh's help, and marrying her would be a sign of unity between the nations
@@docomega7862 Ursas family was still nobility. Low nobility but still nobility. Just look at our past. There where many landless knights who despite living in poverty where part of the aristocracy and on the other side there where many wealthy commoners who where not part of the aristocracy despite their wealth and political power. The aristocrats, even the poor ones often looked down to them and didn't seen them as equals. So Ursa as low aristocrat was the perfect bride for Ozai because her family wasn't powerful enough to cause trouble for Iroh but they still where nobles so Ozai couldn't officially be mad at his father for merrying him down.
@@docomega7862Bro it isn't just ordinary connection. Ursa is granddaughter of Roku,(Roku and Sozin are chilhood friends) it would make sense that Azulon wants Ozai to marry Ursa (by force*for the bloodline)
@@heymanbatman I know what the connection is. But barely anyone knew about it in the fire nation. Even zuko, her son didn't know. For almost all the fire nation, she's just a normal citizen from the provinces
@@docomega7862 Sozin most likely left a standing order that mrs roku and her progeny be kept under super clandestine surveillance until such a time either gender emerge eligible for marriage be married post haste into the fire court royal family.
I know my boy zuko could not resist to love his woman mai and mai could not resist her love for zuko they are perfect for each other keeping the fire nation legacy lives on 🔥🔥🔥
@@kyfa4966 What I wasn't clear enough when I said "upcoming" movie about the royal family that's to be expected in 2025? Essentially concluding the Smoke and Shadow story.
Bruh... Izumi's chin is nearly identical to a water tribe member as well as Jeong Jeong the deserter's chin and King Bumi's. That dont mean they are closely related. It's simply just the way people drew characters in Avatar.
@TheMrPeteChannel Pli also has a knife point chin, as well as Suki, and Asami, and Ming Huang, and Chin the Conqueror, and Avatar Kyoshi. Just look at Avatar Kyoshi's chin in this picture here, its clearly a knife point chin: static1.colliderimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Kyoshi.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=480&dpr=1.5 By this logic, im willing to say that Chin the Conqueror is Izumi's actual father, and Avatar Kyoshi is her legitimate mother.
The only thing that stops me from believing that Mei is Izumi's mother is that writers genuinely don't want to confirm that. Mei/Zuko is a very popular ship, most of the fans want this yet something still stops writers from confirming that
I always assumed that Mai was her mother when I watched Korra and I had no idea that her and Zuko broke up in the comics and I wish I didn’t know because I was really disappointed when I find out that they broke up in the comics because i thought after the show original they got married and lived happily ever after and the finale of the original show me made believe that was the case and I really like them together and when I heard that the head writer say they get together eventually I was glad and Izumi really looks like Mai and i know there’s a chance that I’m wrong and Mai isn’t the mother and I’m blind as a bat but i hope gets confirmed 100% that Mai is the mother
People poo poo that pairing. But people don't realize that romance for teenagers both current and former is extremely complicated and awkward. Its fine seeing a pair that isn't almost picture perfect like Aang and katara.
@@undertaker9991 True they do and it’s because Mai and Zukos relationship isn’t like a fairytale it’s realistic and it isn’t sunshine and rainbows it has it’s ups and downs just like any other couple and people don’t like that and they call it toxic because they want fantasy
Also, Zuko is a monarch, and most monarchs generally marry people of nobility, and Mai is of a relatively financially well-off family, so it makes perfect sense for them to marry for political reasons.
If Izumi was half earth nation wouldn’t they have mentioned that in the show? Since that’s what republic city is all about? They had a whole thing about it in the comic about two nations dating and creating the new city but she only cared about the fire nation staying out of the war and so it seemed more like both her parents are fire nation. She also doesn’t have any resemblance to Jin so that wouldn’t make sense.
I think that the fact that some people didn't read the comics, and obviously it is not expected from people to read it, it may end for some people the show exactly at the last episode of season 3 of ATLAB. And since Mai and Zuko were together at that time, shows how they are meant to come back together regardless of what's going to occur at the comics. Because let's face it, even Zuko's mom story arc is not a vital component to the story, since it doesn't change anything that already exists by the time the show end. That includes other details like Toph's academy, since TLOK obviously show the legacy that Toph left behind as a mentor.
Zuko: stressed from running a war torn nation full of radical dissidents. Wants to see his one surviving parent every once in a while Mai: son of a bitch. Im breaking up.. you're not the man I thought you'd be That other guy: spies for said diddidents who want to put Hitler back in power Mai: well. Nobodies perfect
I know this sounds dark but I wouldn't be surprised it was finally revealed Mai died or left Zuko or got banished because it seems every habit that all the Fire Lords and every member of the royal family lose their spouse somehow and they're to back to being single raising the children on their own. Yes, this includes Izumi's husband too. Wonder why that is?
i highly hope that it is Mai, because based on the comic, i remember that Mai mentioned to Ty Lee when they were hanging out that Kei Lo wasn't her type (based when she said that patsies arent her type) but then, when Kei Lo arrived, Mai suddenly calls him "babe" in which made Ty Lee surprised and when Kei Lo had left it was revealed that all of it was an act and Mai also added that she was just using Kei Lo to get information about her father. But later on Kei Lo confessed that he really likes her and there was one moment where both of em kissed, only to be distracted by Tom Tom getting kidnapped.
at this point i actually started to think that Mai maybe has developed some feeling towards Kei Lo because i remember that Kei Lo stated that he really do likes her during Zuko's family return from Hira'a, and then during the whole part 3 of the story, mai was shown to be very flirtitious with Kei Lo only for them to broke up at the end of the stories with kei lo getting out of Mai's auntie shop, feeling devastated. now idk because maybe Mai realised her true feelings for Zuko and therefore drown with guilt of using Kei Lo for her own goods and she also said to Zuko earlier in that story that He likes her more than she likes him
Zuko likely ended up with Mai and made peace with Jin similarly to how he did with those such as “The Gaang” including Katara as in this upcoming animated film Azula might be redeemed.
I just...can they just confirm Mai is her mom? I mean who else would Izumi's mom, Jin? - i mean they were cute but i think its just a kid love but come on. Zuko and Mai wre the classic moody teen love and that just fits. LET MY MAN ZUKO just have this one thing, just this one thing. Let him end up with his childhood love.
Ship wars and ship speculations are one of the things that keep fandoms active for years. Revealing too much too soon is like shooting themselves in a foot.
@@shirazsharivar8536men don't like anything women do, when women take the lead is an issue when they don't it's an issue 😂 plus it's fiction so it doesn't apply
I know the past is the past, but I wished Zuko's daughter name was Honora instead of Izumi, since Zuko's story arc was about regaining his honor. I know it's not much of an Asian name, but hey, Azula's name is kind of Tagalog/Spanish word for "Azul" meaning "Blue", since Azula literally controls blue fire in her firebending abilities.
Late comment but I think it sounds nice as well as can pass off as a Japanese name (majority of Fire Nation inspirations are from pre-Meji Era Japan). Honora also sounds close to honoo (炎 pronounced “ho-no-o”) which means flame.
@@falconeshield True that. Honestly, and I might be going off topic here, but storywise from the Legend of Korra series, Asami should've been ending up with General Iroh II, not only their romantic relationship would be dynamic, but Iroh II, and probably the Fire Nation too, can somehow save Asami's company from plummeting down to bankruptcy.
@@jmalfonso7bro what?? In Book 1, General Iroh II is literally in his late 30’s while Asami is 17-19.. literally not every character has to be shipped together especially those with such massive age gaps like that
It's obvious that Mai is her mother. And I'm upset about this fact. Not because I ship Zuko with anyone (no one, to be honest), but because I never really liked her or their relationship. This never seemed pleasant to me, much less sincere.
first look at izumi and i had no doubt mai is her mother seriously, that girl confronted Azula for him. in the avatar realm that means fate worth than death. and to constantly brake up its just their thing. mai is depressed and Zuko is too aggressive, but they love each other
If every fan of atla got what they wanted by having the opportunity to involve in making these comics. The original creators, even us too would be frustrated enough to stick to the original show's plots. So I'll say I hate how all these second class creators with the opportunity they got in the comics, messed the show up a lot.
Gonna be real with everyone....if Mai basically gave up her life to save zuko from the prison escape equals her not ending up with him....ill be pissed.
It is more likely that this is the case, in any case we even met Zuko's grandson but there is no clue about Sokka's children or grandchildren, of the avatar team he and Suki would be the ones who we do not know what happened to they. Regardless of how a relationship was at the time, that does not mean that it will last until old age, not everyone experiences it like Aang and Katara, destiny is uncertain, but since Katara he doesn't mention anything other than Sokka's death and nothing else, Tenzin or Bumi don't talk about "cousins", so Sokka can be the father of Toph's second daughter or he simply did not have children and perhaps never seriously bonded with anyone.
why did you heart this when this person never actually WATCHED THE VIDEO! and i know you didnt because you would know that HE MENTIONS THIS EXACT issue IN THE VIDEO
If I want to be honest, none of Gaang's children resemlance their parents that much in Korra, so her pointy, long face is not really a confirmation of Mai being Izumi's mother. For example the Beifong sisters looks nothing like Toph, Tenzin looks nothing like adult Aang, and Kya looks nothing like Katara... God, even Baatar Jr. looks more like adult Sokka.
0:38 so keeping secrets about seeing his father and closing off do to the pressures of dealing with the end of a 100 year war was a deal breaker, but purposefully deceiving her and bringing her to a group of people who want to overthrow the government and put a tyrant back on the throne is fine? Between you and me, I think Mai just has a thing for bad boys and Zuko wasn’t cutting it anymore.
Here,s a theory i,d like to see: who is the father of General iroh from legend of korra? Izumi,s husband. Seriously, this is a topic that needs to be discussed. If izumi is the only known female fire lord, than how would finding a husband work? Would it be done similar to how Ozai and ursa got married where Zuko selected someone for her, or would it be like Mai and zuko,s relationship where they naturally grew a bond? Personally, i,d like it if was the 2nd option.
We have *definitive* proof *Lists a long list of circumstantial evidence and head cannon.* I also want to believe mate, but don't go using the word definitive like that.
Honestly thought that being so proximal to Zuko and far from reliable contact with her boyfriend admists his travels: perhaps SUKI could have been Izumi's Mother. Ya know, LDRs don't always work out. That could explain why Tenzin, Kya, and Bumi don't have Cousins. Also the conflict could have led to a Sword Duel between two of Piandao's Students: Sokka and Zuko
New ozai society is just a stupid idea: 1. it sounds stupid and completely ruins the secret of the "hidden" organization 2. It makes no sense since ozai is useless. God this comics are awful (not all) (just my opinion though)
I love the comics I think they are fun but I agree the writing isn't that great sometimes. It's kind of crazy that if you ignore the comics it's basically confirmed it's Mai because one of the final scenes is them together.
Show: Aang, "I don't want to kill Ozai. Let's try glue bending & baby pitchers." Comics: Zuko, "If I become like my father you must kill me Aang!" Aang: " Sure. " The comics are not just poorly written, they're just plain stupid.
Bryke has stated they will retcon comics as needed for upcoming content so it will be like Zuko and Mai did not breakup in the comics at all. I hope Avatar Studios retcons Zuko and Mai’s breakup because breaking them up in the comics was not good at all.
If they do get back together in the 2025 comic that's coming out they might not have to retcon it. We'll have to see. But that is very true they can ignore some inconsistencies since they made those not knowing they'd make Avatar Studios.
@@BalancedCycle Avatar Studios said they will retcon comics. The upcoming comics that are being made in consultation with Avatar Studios which means that it will be connected to the original series endgame where Zuko and Mai were together.
I like to pretend that the original series is the only canon, both the comics and the legend of Korra are nothing but nonsence storytelling and fan service. They ruin the spirits, the way we know bending, the avatar cicle, etc. The only kinda respectable thing was avatar Wang story
Hi, can you please give me credit for the vid of Gene Luen Yang? It's honestly kinda douchey that you didn't give me any credit for uploading the vid and I'm considering filing a DMCA request against you.
I'm sorry I try to link sources when making these videos but I didn't think to link you. I gave credit to you in the description. I also have blurred the part where your video shows. I didn't intend to steal.
*Mai:* _ready to face off unhinged Azula head-on to save Zuko after he defected their ultra-nationalistic country, leaving her with nothing but a note and minutes after he locked her in a cell when she confronted him about it, and he wasn't even sorry_ *Also Mai:* _breaks up with Zuko when the stress of reforming Fire Nation gets to him and he gets moody_ I'm surprised any of the comics are still considered canon, with how hard character writing and storytelling falls off. The entire premise of "the Promise" flies in the face of Aang's conflict in season 3. And it all goes downhill from there
All this time I thought Mai and Zuko got married LOL... I hope they clear it on the upcoming movie since it's focused more on the adult versions of them..
Marrying someone you knew as a kid, isnt really that common though? Like people grow and change in their lives. No one in that show changed more than zuko. Frankly they seemed toxic together. They both deserve better.
None of what you pointed out is Solid evidence... 1. Izumi looks like Mai/Mai's Mother.. yeah sure she also looks like MOST of Zukos family.. and most importantly you can't really look at animated characters and make an assumption that one character is related to another. people think Ty Lee has Air bending decent because she "looks" like Aang BUT she ALSO looks like several other Fire Nation characters that appear throughout the show. 2. The writer you were talking about that left it purposly vague about who gets together if it was Mai and Zuko he could have just come out and said it. 3. Story boards??? Really we are pulling That as solid "evidence" not even real ones. Story boards that have been stated to be FAKE. 4. The biggest problem with all of this. The writers NOT coming foward and telling us straight up Mai marrys Zuko.. they have no reason not to. For example when asked the Writers dtraight up tell us Mako marrys one of Zukos granddaughters.. the writers have straight up have had Many opportunities to tell us that Mai and Zuko get back together. The famiky tree released for Korra Seasons 3 & 4 (when Izumi was introduced), the comics, commentary tracks, interviews, comics, fan events, and books. The fact is the linger they go without confirming Mai and Zuko get married and that Mai is Izumi's mother the more likely that Mai isn't going to be her mother.. again because they have no reason not to confirm otherwise right now because of how the OG show ended. But they are purposely leaving it open ended and i doubt its because they broke up in a set of comics that 70% of the fanbase haven't read.
@@mouse3872 Avatar Studios especially Bryke stated they will retcon comics as needed for upcomingcontent. The upcoming comics that are being made in consultation with Avatar Studios which means that it will be connected to the original series endgame where Zuko and Mai were together.
@DakshPaul-g6g they literally said the opposite of that. They said they wouldn't retcon the comics because the events of the movies are taking place roughly ten years AFTER the comics take place. and again Bryke has had time to confirm that Mai is Izumis mother but still hasn't done it. Still too this day the official family trees leave Mai off of Zukos line up and leaving his wife ambiguous. All they simply have to do is say YES Mai & Zukos end up together and YES Mai is Izumis daughter but they have continued to leave it ambiguous for some reason.
I wish there was definitive proof but we don't have any. The hints we got does give us a solid idea on what happened. Even a new comic that's coming out in 2025 will possibly explain Mai and Zuko further.
@@BalancedCycle Don't feel bad, my money is on Mai as well. If I may be so bold, why is your username BalancedCycle? Does it signify something special? I can't tell you where the numbers in my username come from, I think "Atlas" and "AtlasT" were taken. I like the name Atlas because I like to travel, and I sometimes feel the weight of the world on my shoulders (like Atlas), and T for my initial. You don't have to answer, I just thought if I were going to ask you, I should at least tell you my reason.
@@atlast7035 Well, originally, I named this channel DerezzedCycle because it was an Avatar & Tron channel. It represented the Tron Light Cycles and the Avatar Cycle. I decided to split my channel into 2 and since a big topic in the world of avatar is bringing balance to the world, I decided to change the name to that as it sounds good, imo. Also, that's really cool how you got your name; I like it.
Mai and Zuko toppled into the fountain. Zuko and Jin kissed at the fountain. I prefer to believe Jin is Izumi's mother. Mai is toxic for Zuko. Jin brought out the good side of Zuko.
I agree, Mai and Zuko looks good together but i always felt like they are both somewhat a toxic couple for each other considering their issues and the fact that they kept breaking up and coming back to each other is quite iffy
@@User-dyn check out the comic book “The Promise”, they have a lot of chemistry there. I think that this was added for a reason, it should play a role.
@@woeqTy Lee is also his bodyguard and longtime friend, but they didn't have such cute scenes. Also, it is unknown whether Zuko and Mai got back together after their breakup.
Though I think Mai is obviously Izumi's mother. I hope the upcoming adult Zuko centric movie sheds light on who Zuko ended up with.
There's a Zuko movie coming?
@@413draco - Yes.
@@pinoynobody211 name?
They break up for a bit and eventually get back together
@@pinoynobody211when??
I mean it makes sense that Zuko ends up with the girl that stood with him at his worst, it would be just insulting if she never got him at his best.
This
Absolutely Agree
Nah its suki😂
@@Lardboi420that's damn hilarious
@@Lardboi420Suki should have married Sokka and had children.
I 100% believe Mai is Izumi's mother. She looks like Michi(Mai's mother),and it can't be coincidence that Michi,Mai and Izumi have pointed chins
All their name have i"s in them too.
The chin, the side eye game 🔥
Well this aged like milk in Netflix Avatar.
@@003thezg3what happened??
@@StevenJones851 Mai is obese now.
If you look at Izumi you can see resemblance to Mai.
In addition in the comics you can see that Mai still has feelings for Zuko even after they broke up
Yep exactly!
@@AndalusianPhilosopher it was confirmed by the creators that they got back together after 3 years
Jin looks nothing like Izumi
@@AndalusianPhilosopherwriters say they get married
You'd think that they would outright confirm her to be the mother since the evidence is stacked in support of it. Maybe they're just leaving it open ended in case they change their mind.
It's just too obvious that I really hope by the movie in 2025 we know for sure. It's very bizarre. Also, thanks for watching.
Hmm… I don’t know all of this is interesting, but I don’t think it’s enough to definitively prove it. It definitely makes it more likely but I don’t think it’s quite enough to prove it.
I think they were gonna confirm it in a final comic but never got to
@@chaosinorder9685yeah hopefully this works
Mai and Zuko were meant to be together just like Sokka and Suki were also meant to be together. It just feels right. I know that I'm not the writer nor producer of the show. However, I can express my opinion on it.
I don’t know why the creators did Sokka dirts? They likely broke up Sokka and Suki, completely forgot about the kiyoshi warriors, for no reason.. Sokka could have led a happy marriage, but now there are hints that he was alone and was possibly killed by Zaheer…
@@8440k; Don’t forget that Mai and Zuko were supposed to have a life together while Zuko was fire lord and Mai as fire queen.
I think they did that to expand the stories and introduce new characters. Cuz most of the ATLA cartoon writers were not even a part of comics or TLOK.
@@shambhavi._67: Maybe the should have taken both into consideration?
@@jameshanlon5689 Yeah. I didn't like how they turned the stories of ATLA characters in comics or TLOK. I liked the ending of ATLA. And, about the whereabouts of Zuko's mother, they should have made extra episodes for it rather than releasing it in comics.
Zuko: wanted to name Izumi honor but Mai told me no.
I feel like he would name her Honors if Mai allowed, or even Izumi Honora just to try to add honor to it
@@s0fia872 In some cultures naming in child after someone who's still alive is bad luck.
I never saw anyone named Junior in Avatar universe
I heard a lot of theories who is izumis mother (Jin, Suki, Ty Lee for example ) but we have to remember that Zuko is the firelord and his position doesn't allow him to merry just everyone. Mai is from fire nations aristocracy so she's a proper wive for a firelord. Ty Lee has the same background so she would be the only known alternative to Mai. But to just merry a peasant girl from the earth kingdom would be seen at least as scandalous in the fire nation. Even in modern monarchies we can see how much trouble happens when a royal merries a common woman for example when prince Harry merried Meghan or his grand grand uncle king Edward VIII who had to lay down the crown for merrying a common woman from the US.
We kinda saw the opposite tho. Zuko's mother was pretty much a nobody except for her connection with roku. She was a comedian from a far away province of the fire nation, and ozai married her anyways. And her ties with roku were pretty much a secret, so as far as the general population, and probably azulon too, knew the fire prince married a nobody. Now, that's not to say marrying fire nztion aristocracy wouldn't be better seen but it's not mandatory.
Now for jin, we haven't seen her since season 3, and people can change quite a lot in a few years. So it's not impossible for her to have climbed the ranks, possibly with iroh's help, and marrying her would be a sign of unity between the nations
@@docomega7862 Ursas family was still nobility. Low nobility but still nobility. Just look at our past. There where many landless knights who despite living in poverty where part of the aristocracy and on the other side there where many wealthy commoners who where not part of the aristocracy despite their wealth and political power. The aristocrats, even the poor ones often looked down to them and didn't seen them as equals. So Ursa as low aristocrat was the perfect bride for Ozai because her family wasn't powerful enough to cause trouble for Iroh but they still where nobles so Ozai couldn't officially be mad at his father for merrying him down.
@@docomega7862Bro it isn't just ordinary connection. Ursa is granddaughter of Roku,(Roku and Sozin are chilhood friends) it would make sense that Azulon wants Ozai to marry Ursa (by force*for the bloodline)
@@heymanbatman I know what the connection is. But barely anyone knew about it in the fire nation. Even zuko, her son didn't know. For almost all the fire nation, she's just a normal citizen from the provinces
@@docomega7862 Sozin most likely left a standing order that mrs roku and her progeny be kept under super clandestine surveillance until such a time either gender emerge eligible for marriage be married post haste into the fire court royal family.
I know my boy zuko could not resist to love his woman mai and mai could not resist her love for zuko they are perfect for each other keeping the fire nation legacy lives on 🔥🔥🔥
Yeah by the end of Smoke and Shadow you can tell lol. Thanks for watching. :)
@@BalancedCyclethe upcoming movie looks as if they got back together.
@@undertaker9991what movie
@@kyfa4966 What I wasn't clear enough when I said "upcoming" movie about the royal family that's to be expected in 2025? Essentially concluding the Smoke and Shadow story.
@@undertaker9991that movie is about the gang as adults
Bruh... Izumi's chin is nearly identical to a water tribe member as well as Jeong Jeong the deserter's chin and King Bumi's. That dont mean they are closely related. It's simply just the way people drew characters in Avatar.
Many people have pointy chins in Atla but Michi, Mai & Azumi have knife point chins
@TheMrPeteChannel Pli also has a knife point chin, as well as Suki, and Asami, and Ming Huang, and Chin the Conqueror, and Avatar Kyoshi. Just look at Avatar Kyoshi's chin in this picture here, its clearly a knife point chin: static1.colliderimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Kyoshi.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=480&dpr=1.5
By this logic, im willing to say that Chin the Conqueror is Izumi's actual father, and Avatar Kyoshi is her legitimate mother.
The only thing that stops me from believing that Mei is Izumi's mother is that writers genuinely don't want to confirm that. Mei/Zuko is a very popular ship, most of the fans want this yet something still stops writers from confirming that
I always assumed that Mai was her mother when I watched Korra and I had no idea that her and Zuko broke up in the comics and I wish I didn’t know because I was really disappointed when I find out that they broke up in the comics because i thought after the show original they got married and lived happily ever after and the finale of the original show me made believe that was the case and I really like them together and when I heard that the head writer say they get together eventually I was glad and Izumi really looks like Mai and i know there’s a chance that I’m wrong and Mai isn’t the mother and I’m blind as a bat but i hope gets confirmed 100% that Mai is the mother
People poo poo that pairing. But people don't realize that romance for teenagers both current and former is extremely complicated and awkward. Its fine seeing a pair that isn't almost picture perfect like Aang and katara.
@@undertaker9991 True they do and it’s because Mai and Zukos relationship isn’t like a fairytale it’s realistic and it isn’t sunshine and rainbows it has it’s ups and downs just like any other couple and people don’t like that and they call it toxic because they want fantasy
Well I guess that they could get married and live happily ever after the comics still. I think that would be cool
I would've thought that Mai was the mother of the waterbending twins from Korra. They act, and sound, alike 😅
Same😅
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Yeah I did think of how there seem too be so many characters like that in Avatar but maybe it's only those two/three
Also, Zuko is a monarch, and most monarchs generally marry people of nobility, and Mai is of a relatively financially well-off family, so it makes perfect sense for them to marry for political reasons.
🥰To be Honest i like Jin more for zuko but if it's May i like that too 🥰
If Izumi was half earth nation wouldn’t they have mentioned that in the show? Since that’s what republic city is all about? They had a whole thing about it in the comic about two nations dating and creating the new city but she only cared about the fire nation staying out of the war and so it seemed more like both her parents are fire nation. She also doesn’t have any resemblance to Jin so that wouldn’t make sense.
It would’ve been amazing if Zuko ended up with a non-Fire nation wife. A mixed marriage to end the crazy fire nationalism would’ve been amazing to see
Yeah, definitely. I can't help not thinking of Zutara with that topic though, even when it is definitely not canon
I think that the fact that some people didn't read the comics, and obviously it is not expected from people to read it,
it may end for some people the show exactly at the last episode of season 3 of ATLAB.
And since Mai and Zuko were together at that time, shows how they are meant to come back together regardless of what's going to
occur at the comics.
Because let's face it, even Zuko's mom story arc is not a vital component to the story, since it doesn't change anything that already exists
by the time the show end.
That includes other details like Toph's academy, since TLOK obviously show the legacy that Toph left behind as a mentor.
Zuko: stressed from running a war torn nation full of radical dissidents. Wants to see his one surviving parent every once in a while
Mai: son of a bitch. Im breaking up.. you're not the man I thought you'd be
That other guy: spies for said diddidents who want to put Hitler back in power
Mai: well. Nobodies perfect
Well no they actually broke up because Zuko was falling in to the habits of his family
This is why I really don't like this couple. Even in the original series, their relationship was at least unpleasant.
I have something that adds to this list of evidence
The word Izumi means fountain, Zuko and Mai both fell into a fountain when they were younger.
Zuko and Jin forever! Fight me!
I know this sounds dark but I wouldn't be surprised it was finally revealed Mai died or left Zuko or got banished because it seems every habit that all the Fire Lords and every member of the royal family lose their spouse somehow and they're to back to being single raising the children on their own. Yes, this includes Izumi's husband too. Wonder why that is?
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This is harder than tryna figure out if sadara was sakura or karins kid back in 2017😵💫
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"saRaDa", not sadara
@@laurenevers8644 my bad. Was thinking of madara🤣
Their strategy works, leave the past open ended, make the people guessing go keep the trend alive
i highly hope that it is Mai, because based on the comic, i remember that Mai mentioned to Ty Lee when they were hanging out that Kei Lo wasn't her type (based when she said that patsies arent her type) but then, when Kei Lo arrived, Mai suddenly calls him "babe" in which made Ty Lee surprised and when Kei Lo had left it was revealed that all of it was an act and Mai also added that she was just using Kei Lo to get information about her father. But later on Kei Lo confessed that he really likes her and there was one moment where both of em kissed, only to be distracted by Tom Tom getting kidnapped.
at this point i actually started to think that Mai maybe has developed some feeling towards Kei Lo because i remember that Kei Lo stated that he really do likes her during Zuko's family return from Hira'a, and then during the whole part 3 of the story, mai was shown to be very flirtitious with Kei Lo only for them to broke up at the end of the stories with kei lo getting out of Mai's auntie shop, feeling devastated. now idk because maybe Mai realised her true feelings for Zuko and therefore drown with guilt of using Kei Lo for her own goods and she also said to Zuko earlier in that story that He likes her more than she likes him
Zuko likely ended up with Mai and made peace with Jin similarly to how he did with those such as “The Gaang” including Katara as in this upcoming animated film Azula might be redeemed.
I just...can they just confirm Mai is her mom? I mean who else would Izumi's mom, Jin? - i mean they were cute but i think its just a kid love but come on. Zuko and Mai wre the classic moody teen love and that just fits.
LET MY MAN ZUKO just have this one thing, just this one thing. Let him end up with his childhood love.
Ship wars and ship speculations are one of the things that keep fandoms active for years. Revealing too much too soon is like shooting themselves in a foot.
@@MrFiremagnetFor real.
I hope Zuko ends up with Jin. She’s so sweet, and I think Zuko needs someone like her in his life.
Zuko never even loved jin.
Jin was a pick me, and was literally throwing herself at him, men don't like that.
I love them together too
Eww
@@shirazsharivar8536men don't like anything women do, when women take the lead is an issue when they don't it's an issue 😂 plus it's fiction so it doesn't apply
I know the past is the past, but I wished Zuko's daughter name was Honora instead of Izumi, since Zuko's story arc was about regaining his honor. I know it's not much of an Asian name, but hey, Azula's name is kind of Tagalog/Spanish word for "Azul" meaning "Blue", since Azula literally controls blue fire in her firebending abilities.
Late comment but I think it sounds nice as well as can pass off as a Japanese name (majority of Fire Nation inspirations are from pre-Meji Era Japan). Honora also sounds close to honoo (炎 pronounced “ho-no-o”) which means flame.
It's not too late. Mako was supposed to marry into the fire family. Quick, to the docs!
@@falconeshield True that. Honestly, and I might be going off topic here, but storywise from the Legend of Korra series, Asami should've been ending up with General Iroh II, not only their romantic relationship would be dynamic, but Iroh II, and probably the Fire Nation too, can somehow save Asami's company from plummeting down to bankruptcy.
Azula is named after Fire Lord Azulon. 😊 Iroh and Ozai's dad. Hoping for him to favor the kid since Zuko is too soft and compassionate for Ozai.
@@jmalfonso7bro what?? In Book 1, General Iroh II is literally in his late 30’s while Asami is 17-19.. literally not every character has to be shipped together especially those with such massive age gaps like that
Mai betrayed azula for zuko. If they aren't together then I don't know what fictive love is anymore
It's obvious that Mai is her mother. And I'm upset about this fact. Not because I ship Zuko with anyone (no one, to be honest), but because I never really liked her or their relationship. This never seemed pleasant to me, much less sincere.
I totally support Zuko and Mai. They're awesome together.
first look at izumi and i had no doubt mai is her mother
seriously, that girl confronted Azula for him. in the avatar realm that means fate worth than death. and to constantly brake up its just their thing. mai is depressed and Zuko is too aggressive, but they love each other
If every fan of atla got what they wanted by having the opportunity to involve in making these comics. The original creators, even us too would be frustrated enough to stick to the original show's plots. So I'll say I hate how all these second class creators with the opportunity they got in the comics, messed the show up a lot.
Second class creators? You’re disgusting if you think like that about other people!
Sometimes when there is a theory like this I just imagine its true :DD
Gonna be real with everyone....if Mai basically gave up her life to save zuko from the prison escape equals her not ending up with him....ill be pissed.
“It’s stands out so blatantly. The evidence is there!” Now you don’t have to watch the video with absolutely nothing but those two lines.
It would be funny if plot-twist was Zuko x Suki parents of Izumi.
and Mai got together with Sokka
Honestly? I kind of wondered, since Suki was working much closer with Zuko and I got the sense they were getting closer in the comics…
It is more likely that this is the case, in any case we even met Zuko's grandson but there is no clue about Sokka's children or grandchildren, of the avatar team he and Suki would be the ones who we do not know what happened to they. Regardless of how a relationship was at the time, that does not mean that it will last until old age, not everyone experiences it like Aang and Katara, destiny is uncertain, but since Katara he doesn't mention anything other than Sokka's death and nothing else, Tenzin or Bumi don't talk about "cousins", so Sokka can be the father of Toph's second daughter or he simply did not have children and perhaps never seriously bonded with anyone.
Mai is very much the mother of Izumi it would be terrible mistake for the show not to have her as the mother
I really hope it's not. The girl from the earth kingdom (Jin)who went on a date with Zuko is my preferred theory.
Very unrealistic, though. She's a commoner from Earth Kingdom. Politically that would be very problematic for Zuko.
Mai sacrificed everything for Zuko. She challenged azula and got imprisoned.
@@painpapadopoulos8120 yeah, because her emotions flip regularly. She breaks up with him constantly.
@@jamesbernadette6216 politically it would benefit the unification of Republic City and the former fire nation colonies.
Zuko never loved Jin from the start, he stopped kissing her not even a second in, bet he thinking about mai
Finally! Sorry but I find the whole drama with Zuko and Mai breaking off and briefly dated Kei Lo to be really dumb and pointless drama!
Damn even years later Zuko and Mai are still on and off😭😭
Didn't Mai and Zuko break up in the comics,they have always been on and off
watch the video
@@mavg. I wrote the comment before I watched it fully,Don't be a jackass
why did you heart this when this person never actually WATCHED THE VIDEO! and i know you didnt because you would know that HE MENTIONS THIS EXACT issue IN THE VIDEO
Hah! Not gonna lie, the ending made me chuckle because my entire intent was to go. "We're all going to be surprised when it's actually Jin."
If I want to be honest, none of Gaang's children resemlance their parents that much in Korra, so her pointy, long face is not really a confirmation of Mai being Izumi's mother. For example the Beifong sisters looks nothing like Toph, Tenzin looks nothing like adult Aang, and Kya looks nothing like Katara... God, even Baatar Jr. looks more like adult Sokka.
Thank God, Mai x Zuko is the best couple ever
you forgot to show how Mai kept pictures of Zuko
Ah yes Fire Lord "you guys are on your own".
0:38 so keeping secrets about seeing his father and closing off do to the pressures of dealing with the end of a 100 year war was a deal breaker, but purposefully deceiving her and bringing her to a group of people who want to overthrow the government and put a tyrant back on the throne is fine?
Between you and me, I think Mai just has a thing for bad boys and Zuko wasn’t cutting it anymore.
Here,s a theory i,d like to see: who is the father of General iroh from legend of korra? Izumi,s husband. Seriously, this is a topic that needs to be discussed. If izumi is the only known female fire lord, than how would finding a husband work? Would it be done similar to how Ozai and ursa got married where Zuko selected someone for her, or would it be like Mai and zuko,s relationship where they naturally grew a bond? Personally, i,d like it if was the 2nd option.
Some say it was bumi , aang's eldest son
OK but who is Suyin's father
Johto
@@zombiegalkawaii😂😂😂😂😂
We have *definitive* proof
*Lists a long list of circumstantial evidence and head cannon.*
I also want to believe mate, but don't go using the word definitive like that.
Mai and zuko had a hate love relationship and they were fighting a lot in the series 😅
Who’s the avatar that became fire lord🔥
Probably the very first one(apart from Wan) that united the firenation.
We don't have a name or confirmation on that. It's a cool theory though.
Honestly thought that being so proximal to Zuko and far from reliable contact with her boyfriend admists his travels: perhaps SUKI could have been Izumi's Mother. Ya know, LDRs don't always work out. That could explain why Tenzin, Kya, and Bumi don't have Cousins. Also the conflict could have led to a Sword Duel between two of Piandao's Students: Sokka and Zuko
New ozai society is just a stupid idea: 1. it sounds stupid and completely ruins the secret of the "hidden" organization 2. It makes no sense since ozai is useless. God this comics are awful (not all) (just my opinion though)
I agree they are terribly written
lollll
I love the comics I think they are fun but I agree the writing isn't that great sometimes. It's kind of crazy that if you ignore the comics it's basically confirmed it's Mai because one of the final scenes is them together.
yup, I agree it does not make sense
Show: Aang, "I don't want to kill Ozai. Let's try glue bending & baby pitchers."
Comics: Zuko, "If I become like my father you must kill me Aang!"
Aang: " Sure. "
The comics are not just poorly written, they're just plain stupid.
Mai in bed be like, 😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑
It’s impossible for yin to be izumi’s mom, she’s mako and bolin’s grandma
He better because all that animation of them growing close and kissing shouldny go to waste just for them not be together
Bryke has stated they will retcon comics as needed for upcoming content so it will be like Zuko and Mai did not breakup in the comics at all. I hope Avatar Studios retcons Zuko and Mai’s breakup because breaking them up in the comics was not good at all.
If they do get back together in the 2025 comic that's coming out they might not have to retcon it. We'll have to see. But that is very true they can ignore some inconsistencies since they made those not knowing they'd make Avatar Studios.
@@BalancedCycle Avatar Studios said they will retcon comics. The upcoming comics that are being made in consultation with Avatar Studios which means that it will be connected to the original series endgame where Zuko and Mai were together.
I like to pretend that the original series is the only canon, both the comics and the legend of Korra are nothing but nonsence storytelling and fan service. They ruin the spirits, the way we know bending, the avatar cicle, etc.
The only kinda respectable thing was avatar Wang story
Eh, I’d rather Zuko have gotten with someone else. Mai literally got with another man. Even if they broke up, it’s just not the same.
Are you in kindergarten?
@@mr.iiconic that has nothing to do with what I said.
Izumi is cute cross of their name as well
Hi, can you please give me credit for the vid of Gene Luen Yang? It's honestly kinda douchey that you didn't give me any credit for uploading the vid and I'm considering filing a DMCA request against you.
I'm sorry I try to link sources when making these videos but I didn't think to link you. I gave credit to you in the description. I also have blurred the part where your video shows. I didn't intend to steal.
*Mai:* _ready to face off unhinged Azula head-on to save Zuko after he defected their ultra-nationalistic country, leaving her with nothing but a note and minutes after he locked her in a cell when she confronted him about it, and he wasn't even sorry_
*Also Mai:* _breaks up with Zuko when the stress of reforming Fire Nation gets to him and he gets moody_
I'm surprised any of the comics are still considered canon, with how hard character writing and storytelling falls off.
The entire premise of "the Promise" flies in the face of Aang's conflict in season 3. And it all goes downhill from there
All this time I thought Mai and Zuko got married LOL... I hope they clear it on the upcoming movie since it's focused more on the adult versions of them..
I honestly would've preferred it to be Jin instead of Mai, it'd make a bit more sense given how the relationship with Mai went in the comics.
>It's actually Mai's never before seen or heard cousin.
I just don’t get why they are hiding these stuff just tell us
Marrying someone you knew as a kid, isnt really that common though? Like people grow and change in their lives. No one in that show changed more than zuko.
Frankly they seemed toxic together. They both deserve better.
I love zuko and mai there my favorite couples
Wait. It's been a while, but isn't Jin Bolin and Mako's grandmother? I thought she was. So Jin can't be Zuko's girl.
None of what you pointed out is Solid evidence...
1. Izumi looks like Mai/Mai's Mother.. yeah sure she also looks like MOST of Zukos family.. and most importantly you can't really look at animated characters and make an assumption that one character is related to another. people think Ty Lee has Air bending decent because she "looks" like Aang BUT she ALSO looks like several other Fire Nation characters that appear throughout the show.
2. The writer you were talking about that left it purposly vague about who gets together if it was Mai and Zuko he could have just come out and said it.
3. Story boards??? Really we are pulling That as solid "evidence" not even real ones. Story boards that have been stated to be FAKE.
4. The biggest problem with all of this. The writers NOT coming foward and telling us straight up Mai marrys Zuko.. they have no reason not to. For example when asked the Writers dtraight up tell us Mako marrys one of Zukos granddaughters.. the writers have straight up have had Many opportunities to tell us that Mai and Zuko get back together. The famiky tree released for Korra Seasons 3 & 4 (when Izumi was introduced), the comics, commentary tracks, interviews, comics, fan events, and books.
The fact is the linger they go without confirming Mai and Zuko get married and that Mai is Izumi's mother the more likely that Mai isn't going to be her mother.. again because they have no reason not to confirm otherwise right now because of how the OG show ended. But they are purposely leaving it open ended and i doubt its because they broke up in a set of comics that 70% of the fanbase haven't read.
@@mouse3872 Avatar Studios especially Bryke stated they will retcon comics as needed for upcomingcontent. The upcoming comics that are being made in consultation with Avatar Studios which means that it will be connected to the original series endgame where Zuko and Mai were together.
@DakshPaul-g6g they literally said the opposite of that. They said they wouldn't retcon the comics because the events of the movies are taking place roughly ten years AFTER the comics take place. and again Bryke has had time to confirm that Mai is Izumis mother but still hasn't done it. Still too this day the official family trees leave Mai off of Zukos line up and leaving his wife ambiguous. All they simply have to do is say YES Mai & Zukos end up together and YES Mai is Izumis daughter but they have continued to leave it ambiguous for some reason.
@@mouse3872 I am sure they will retcon comics.
@@mouse3872 I saw in Twitter they said they will retcon comics as needed for upcoming content.
@@mouse3872 They told there will be tweaks.
So, no proof, just speculation? BTW I prefer Jyn, too, and they did have their first "moment" at an izumi, sorry, a fountain.
I wish there was definitive proof but we don't have any. The hints we got does give us a solid idea on what happened. Even a new comic that's coming out in 2025 will possibly explain Mai and Zuko further.
@@BalancedCycle Don't feel bad, my money is on Mai as well. If I may be so bold, why is your username BalancedCycle? Does it signify something special? I can't tell you where the numbers in my username come from, I think "Atlas" and "AtlasT" were taken. I like the name Atlas because I like to travel, and I sometimes feel the weight of the world on my shoulders (like Atlas), and T for my initial. You don't have to answer, I just thought if I were going to ask you, I should at least tell you my reason.
@@atlast7035 Well, originally, I named this channel DerezzedCycle because it was an Avatar & Tron channel. It represented the Tron Light Cycles and the Avatar Cycle. I decided to split my channel into 2 and since a big topic in the world of avatar is bringing balance to the world, I decided to change the name to that as it sounds good, imo. Also, that's really cool how you got your name; I like it.
@@BalancedCycle Thank you! I really like your reason for your name, too, and thanks for taking the time to explaining!
Jin was always the better choice for Zuko's love interest
No
Hope it’s Jin.
yeah, shape of glasses proves it all)
they are similar by their character. i think they never mentioned who is her mother cause its too obvious
THANK YOU
I’m not gonna lie. I think Jin and Zuko are great. I like Mai but her and Zuko have a lot of issues.
Personally, I don’t care enough for Zuko and Mai’s relationship to be amazed by this.
Did you know that izumi's name was the people that zuko remembered the letter I is iroh the zu is zuko and the mi is mai comment if I'm right 👇
Well somebody is making a video about the evidence I found and my theory on it thanks
Mai and Zuko toppled into the fountain. Zuko and Jin kissed at the fountain. I prefer to believe Jin is Izumi's mother. Mai is toxic for Zuko. Jin brought out the good side of Zuko.
Real
I agree, Mai and Zuko looks good together but i always felt like they are both somewhat a toxic couple for each other considering their issues and the fact that they kept breaking up and coming back to each other is quite iffy
Jin and Izumi look nothing alike.
@@TheMrPeteChannel I look nothing like my mother.
Cope. Just because you don't like the ship doesn't mean it's toxic.
Fools. We all know Zuko's one true love if the spirit of Honor!
Didn't they broke up in the comics.
0:30 ... Ren
why revealed? everyone knows that the mother is May
It's never been confirmed but it's very likely. That's why I looked into to this for a video to find more potential proof.
it has not bee confimed IN THE SHOW at all or by the creators! also its *mei
Where might one find those fake storyboards?
If ur gonna use life action Mai's chin it'll go awfully
Kei lo or kilo is literally an npc and they deserved breaking up😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 hes not even that good at acting and he just literally appeared😂
The Motherlord!
I thought it was Azula.
oh.
Bruh
@@peterroberts4415😇
Honestly, I thinking still would be Izumi mother is Mai
Jin foreverrrrrrr
Make izumi eyes smaller youll see mai
I like mai but i wanted Izumi is a child of Zuko and Jin
There is a theory that Izumi's mother is Suki, personally I like it
How and why tho
@@User-dyn check out the comic book “The Promise”, they have a lot of chemistry there. I think that this was added for a reason, it should play a role.
@@Gorgutzshes just zukos guard
@@woeqTy Lee is also his bodyguard and longtime friend, but they didn't have such cute scenes. Also, it is unknown whether Zuko and Mai got back together after their breakup.
@Gorgutz still don't think suki would cheat on sokka like that
Is it a theory
Jin gang
Nah, it’s Azula.
Well, it is keeping the royal bloodline pure. So ...🤷♂️