Looks awesome Jon and sounds like a game changer with the weight and noise levels being low! I don’t care that I’m a hobbyist I still want one! I’ve listed my flex xce cordless on eBay so I can get the hlr15!
John, How does the cutting and polishing ability of the Rupes HLR 15 compare to your Flex Forced rotation XCE 8? I'm on the fence as far as which one to get.
That's a really cool question. I'm not sure. But forced rotation never stalls so I just find it edges a bit better. But this new rupes cordless runs upto 5200 opm on 15mm orbit. Vs 3800 on 8mm but driven rotation. Id guess they would be close
my preference is forced rotation mate. Thats just my thing not all agree you must ask that question first, which dynamic do you prefer and then make your decision. So the cordless XCE is my axe of choice. I will get a Rupes HLR15 one day though it impressed me a lot. just need to sort my engine first.
@@ForensicDetailing I’ve got the Flex 3401 VRG corded. Had it a very long time. Like you, with your Porsches and Track running Bimmer, I’ve done all the maintenance it needs and it runs well. I value your input since you’ve worked with both. Based on your feedback I’ll definitely be picking up the Cordless Flex, since 90% of my polishing has been done with a Direct Drive Flex. Cheers.
New rupes machines are interesting, but too expensive for not professional. I bought Milwaukee FROP15 instad of Rupes because it was 500€ less. But i will keep my mk2 15 Rupes cord machine in backup..
Hello mate, What was your final thoughts on this tool overall, I understand that this tool isn’t going to be as good as a forced rotation or rotary as far as heavy cutting/paint correction on heavily abused paint. I also am a firm believer in the type of compounds with the right pad is crucial. How was the pad stall throughout using this machine? I have one in my cart and am ready to jump into the big boy league. I have a decent 2 car full paint correction job and interior conditioning coming up in a week and this thing sounds lovely. I’ve had a flex XFE and XCE in my cart for along time now too waiting for the rupes to drop but have heard not so much good things. And also rupes paid for reviews from big name retailers.
This is a payed for promotion mate so Im not critising the tool just showcasing it. I only got it for a day but I think the biggest complaints Im hearing in the comments are price and the location of the battery being too close to the surface you are polishing. The build quality, the new plate system, the power is all really good. I will get one one day. another thing to consider is we all want rupes to release more 18v cordless tools so we can use one tool maker for all our needs.
Thanks again for another interesting video. There have been some reports that the machine can wander and walk with wool and microfibre pads. How are you finding it with wool and microfibre pads so far? Overall the machine has many pros, but one thing that surprises me is that Rupes didn't join the CAS or Bosch 18v battery alliances.
I've done one car with yellow rupes wool. Was great. Someone mentioned battery gets close to car which is true. But no walking. Im used to forced rotation so DA always feels highly stable to me. Da can't really walk you because it's only 15mm orbit that's driven. Plate it not driven and it's the plate rotation which creates travel. Blue wool and course compound needs very short rapid wet set or else can be very grabby to remove.
@@ForensicDetailing Cheers Jon. I bought a Flex 3401; on your recommendation in 2016. It's a great machine. Having switched to cordless on my 1" and 3" I was interested in a cordless 5". My Rupes arrived today😀 Good luck with the engine rebuild.
Did you compare hlr15 to 15mk3? Imo its way too weak. But then again HLR21 is as strong as 21mk3. I dont understand why they tuned down the power of HLR15 so much. Also i have noticed that after about 60-70% battery life you cant use full power.
I considered getting one of these... but selling it only as a big package currently is very off putting. I want the polisher with a case/chargers and to use my own pads/compounds.
it will come mate. my guess is these are the first tools using this battery format. So initial kit options will get the batteries out there. So rupes could offer tool battery charger kits and BAS kits with pads and polishes. but might as well keep it simple and just do one kit to start with.
Did the machine fight you with the wool pad like Matt at OG experienced? I’ve received mine but will need to wait until next month before I redo my coating.
Hello from the States. I am interested in the 21 for my RV. I've tried different another brand with a 15 throw but it is taking forever. My RV is basically like doing a large billboard with mostly vertical panels and it is 40 feet long. What are your thoughts on that. Thanks
The design is flawed with the curved design with the battery it sits so close to the panel when polishing and I seen about 15 cars done with this polisher to u so worried u going to hit the panel and have to adjust your technique not ideal. Also not having to mains cord adapter on release for professional using this all day is not great and making u pay for it separately is clever by rupes and greedy as it available just making more money. So my advice don’t buy it because how the battery sit get yourself a flex
I think it's good observation. You get close on verticals. You can create more distance with straight handle like flex but then you loose the ergonomic design. I think locating a large square 18v 5 amp battery will always be a challenge. If you want best ergonomic you make tube battery like in the nano or hlr75. But then you loose ability to make suite of power tools using standard battery platform. So does use of this square 5am 18v hint at more cordless tools on same platform. I hope so. Remember talking about this with flex tools years ago. Rupes I think needs to bring out full range of battery powered tools. Lighting, drill, blower, pump inflator, impact drivers and wrench etc...
Or just stick with what they do best. I wont be breaking the bank to purchase this one. Way too much money for a flawed design. I would love to know why Rupes didn't turn the battery sideways or 180°. @ForensicDetailing
Would be interested for you to test the Ryobi DA. I know it’s not going to be as good as the main brands but as someone which has a ton of Ryobi batteries, it’s tempting. They also make a detail polisher too.
I will do it m8 I just had a feeling it might be the same core machine as a few other ones. So the review would basically conclude if I have Ryobi tools and want a cordless da and never want to accompany it with mini polishers then this will be solid choice.
@@DavidTillyer I used the Ryobi DA before, If you're looking to save the money then its a decent option to entertain especially because of the versatility of the one + platform. BUT you are going to sacrifice performance, stability, ergonomics, and a host of other key areas that brands like FLEX and RUPES are known for. Ryobi is a DIY brand that advertised using spinning coarse brushes on vehicles paint finishes, take their knowledge of detailing with a heavy grain of salt. That said, their mini detail polisher is a great tool and I use it quite frequently with my PXE.
Hi John, apologies for the off-topic enquiry…..your test winning citrus cleaner (KK Detail Citrus Magic) is out of stock everywhere. Just wonder if you (or another poster) know where I can get it?
KKD didn't even reply to an email I sent them asking if they could tell me anything. Went to the address on the website as it's not much of a detour on the way home from work, and couldn't find them. Does anyone know anything?
That $750 price tag is for the while kit. Machine only if history is anything to go by will be closer to $480. But there is a reason they cost so much. They really are that good. They are the industry standard for a reason.
@@GregoryVeizades You won't get far without enough batteries and chargers... So... Machine only is kinda useless 🤷 Anyhow, it's way more expensive than other cordless polishers 🤷
I think rupes will always be top of market. And being top of market means they wont compete price wise with other brands, the moment they try to they will be dhoomed. But their model seems to be working, even though you have to accept not all will buy them or be able to afford them.
Down to person preferences. But I think Rupes polishers are over hyped. I have a Rupes 15 mk3 it wasn't all that the hype cut out to be. This video felt like pan the advertiser 😂😂 I love Rupes pads and polish tho 👌 but meguiars still tops it. Rupes is over hyped. There definitely is better products on the market. That's for sure!
@forensicdetailingchannel ultimatum if you had access to both flex and rupes battery eco system which one would you get? flex cordless xfe / xce forced rotation or either of these rupes cordless ? I bought the flex xce cordless about 2 years ago for about £450 it's still brand new in its packaging still haven't used it yet was thinking should I sell it and get this rupes....i can see this rupes is about £300 more too but it just looks cool
I'm a forced rotation guy m8. Plus I have flex vac blower drills light inflator which all use their battery system. I spent a lot of money to get it all m8. But I think rupes will build all this as well they are at the start of their battery journey
no and thats fine. theres a whole range of budget options out there for this. Rupes dont want to, and wont be able compete with the chinese companies. They want to be the most expensive and they want to innovate. nano ibrid, HLr75 etc... all innovative. All will get copied.
@@ForensicDetailing Thank you. Makes sense now what they’ve done. Still, look forward to you reviewing more affordable alternatives for us mere mortals!
@@pjwork3091 its an an apron. His findigs are same ase mine. I sold my milwaukee 15 and 21 and got these. Much better machines really. Power is same and on everything else Rupes kicks ass.
Unfortunately, successful youtubers are usually bought by the industry, I usually follow youtubers until they start getting lots of "free" products, then it's time to move on, I stopped following John when he got a free trip to a luxury resort from Turtle Wax if I remember correctly.
Thanks for the reply, great video as always. As a weekend warrior I'll stick with the flex as the batteries can be used in other tools, a battery system as specifically for one tool makes it a very specialised purchase IMO
thats interesting point yer. I think rupes will benefit from adding more tools to a suite that use these batteries so you can pool batteries. I bet this comes though just will take time. would love to see like rupes lights and blowers and drills etc.
@@ForensicDetailing It was a no brainer for me to go with the DCM848 DeWalt DA. Seeing as I was already balls deep into a DeWalt money hole🤣. Above that I love the polisher anyway, it's near impossible to stall it.
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Swapped out my two corded machines for a cordless a few months ago. Brilliant move makes polishing so much easier.
What did you buy? As in the process of buying on myself
My god the price of these is insane, double flex prices....
Looks awesome Jon and sounds like a game changer with the weight and noise levels being low! I don’t care that I’m a hobbyist I still want one! I’ve listed my flex xce cordless on eBay so I can get the hlr15!
While i love the Porsche content its nice to see the detailing element back on the channel. Nice vid!
great video! Feel free to make a comparison to the Shinemate in the same category. Rupes was late on the cordless. Might be with good reason?😊
John, How does the cutting and polishing ability of the Rupes HLR 15 compare to your Flex Forced rotation XCE 8? I'm on the fence as far as which one to get.
That's a really cool question. I'm not sure. But forced rotation never stalls so I just find it edges a bit better. But this new rupes cordless runs upto 5200 opm on 15mm orbit. Vs 3800 on 8mm but driven rotation. Id guess they would be close
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks. Since you've used both I thought you'd have a definitive opinion of which one you prefer.
my preference is forced rotation mate. Thats just my thing not all agree you must ask that question first, which dynamic do you prefer and then make your decision. So the cordless XCE is my axe of choice. I will get a Rupes HLR15 one day though it impressed me a lot. just need to sort my engine first.
@@ForensicDetailing I’ve got the Flex 3401 VRG corded. Had it a very long time. Like you, with your Porsches and Track running Bimmer, I’ve done all the maintenance it needs and it runs well. I value your input since you’ve worked with both. Based on your feedback I’ll definitely be picking up the Cordless Flex, since 90% of my polishing has been done with a Direct Drive Flex. Cheers.
I’m selling my xce cordless to fund the hlr15..
New rupes machines are interesting, but too expensive for not professional. I bought Milwaukee FROP15 instad of Rupes because it was 500€ less.
But i will keep my mk2 15 Rupes cord machine in backup..
Hello mate,
What was your final thoughts on this tool overall, I understand that this tool isn’t going to be as good as a forced rotation or rotary as far as heavy cutting/paint correction on heavily abused paint. I also am a firm believer in the type of compounds with the right pad is crucial.
How was the pad stall throughout using this machine? I have one in my cart and am ready to jump into the big boy league. I have a decent 2 car full paint correction job and interior conditioning coming up in a week and this thing sounds lovely. I’ve had a flex XFE and XCE in my cart for along time now too waiting for the rupes to drop but have heard not so much good things. And also rupes paid for reviews from big name retailers.
This is a payed for promotion mate so Im not critising the tool just showcasing it. I only got it for a day but I think the biggest complaints Im hearing in the comments are price and the location of the battery being too close to the surface you are polishing. The build quality, the new plate system, the power is all really good. I will get one one day. another thing to consider is we all want rupes to release more 18v cordless tools so we can use one tool maker for all our needs.
It's not for us mere mortals that just enjoy looking after our pride and joy. but nice vid.
Thanks again for another interesting video. There have been some reports that the machine can wander and walk with wool and microfibre pads. How are you finding it with wool and microfibre pads so far? Overall the machine has many pros, but one thing that surprises me is that Rupes didn't join the CAS or Bosch 18v battery alliances.
I've done one car with yellow rupes wool. Was great. Someone mentioned battery gets close to car which is true. But no walking. Im used to forced rotation so DA always feels highly stable to me. Da can't really walk you because it's only 15mm orbit that's driven. Plate it not driven and it's the plate rotation which creates travel. Blue wool and course compound needs very short rapid wet set or else can be very grabby to remove.
@@ForensicDetailing Cheers Jon. I bought a Flex 3401; on your recommendation in 2016. It's a great machine. Having switched to cordless on my 1" and 3" I was interested in a cordless 5". My Rupes arrived today😀 Good luck with the engine rebuild.
Love the 15hlr really good machine.
Did you compare hlr15 to 15mk3? Imo its way too weak. But then again HLR21 is as strong as 21mk3. I dont understand why they tuned down the power of HLR15 so much. Also i have noticed that after about 60-70% battery life you cant use full power.
Jon I have the same foldable Rhino step stool. Too afraid o stand on because I’d fall off of it like Peter Sellers👍
Mine creaks and groans like it's about to explode 😂😂😂
I considered getting one of these... but selling it only as a big package currently is very off putting.
I want the polisher with a case/chargers and to use my own pads/compounds.
I think tool only options will come soon
@@ForensicDetailing mmm I had asked them about this, but they gave no indication of if/when at the time.
it will come mate. my guess is these are the first tools using this battery format. So initial kit options will get the batteries out there. So rupes could offer tool battery charger kits and BAS kits with pads and polishes. but might as well keep it simple and just do one kit to start with.
They add that stuff so they can keep that price insanely steep.
Did the machine fight you with the wool pad like Matt at OG experienced? I’ve received mine but will need to wait until next month before I redo my coating.
not woth yellow and DA fine mate.
Hello from the States. I am interested in the 21 for my RV. I've tried different another brand with a 15 throw but it is taking forever. My RV is basically like doing a large billboard with mostly vertical panels and it is 40 feet long. What are your thoughts on that. Thanks
Yes m8 ideal for that
Weighs 750kg, that’s one heavy polisher 😂
rofl :) it will give you a good work out.
@@ForensicDetailing At 1653 lbs. it should!! I'm surprised you can lift it!!😀
Better than the 1950kg one 😂
🙏❤️ Love from Scotland ❤️🙏
Alot of professional detailers that have had some time with these new machines arent liking them so much it seems unfortunately
What would you says better FLEX or RUPES cordless
Rupes is unique!
The design is flawed with the curved design with the battery it sits so close to the panel when polishing and I seen about 15 cars done with this polisher to u so worried u going to hit the panel and have to adjust your technique not ideal. Also not having to mains cord adapter on release for professional using this all day is not great and making u pay for it separately is clever by rupes and greedy as it available just making more money. So my advice don’t buy it because how the battery sit get yourself a flex
I think it's good observation. You get close on verticals. You can create more distance with straight handle like flex but then you loose the ergonomic design. I think locating a large square 18v 5 amp battery will always be a challenge. If you want best ergonomic you make tube battery like in the nano or hlr75. But then you loose ability to make suite of power tools using standard battery platform. So does use of this square 5am 18v hint at more cordless tools on same platform. I hope so. Remember talking about this with flex tools years ago. Rupes I think needs to bring out full range of battery powered tools. Lighting, drill, blower, pump inflator, impact drivers and wrench etc...
Or just stick with what they do best. I wont be breaking the bank to purchase this one. Way too much money for a flawed design. I would love to know why Rupes didn't turn the battery sideways or 180°. @ForensicDetailing
Would be interested for you to test the Ryobi DA. I know it’s not going to be as good as the main brands but as someone which has a ton of Ryobi batteries, it’s tempting. They also make a detail polisher too.
I will do it m8 I just had a feeling it might be the same core machine as a few other ones. So the review would basically conclude if I have Ryobi tools and want a cordless da and never want to accompany it with mini polishers then this will be solid choice.
@@ForensicDetailing definitely a selfish request on my part. They do now offer a drill shaped mini/detail polisher. No idea if it’s any good though.
@@DavidTillyer I used the Ryobi DA before, If you're looking to save the money then its a decent option to entertain especially because of the versatility of the one + platform. BUT you are going to sacrifice performance, stability, ergonomics, and a host of other key areas that brands like FLEX and RUPES are known for. Ryobi is a DIY brand that advertised using spinning coarse brushes on vehicles paint finishes, take their knowledge of detailing with a heavy grain of salt. That said, their mini detail polisher is a great tool and I use it quite frequently with my PXE.
Hi John, apologies for the off-topic enquiry…..your test winning citrus cleaner (KK Detail Citrus Magic) is out of stock everywhere. Just wonder if you (or another poster) know where I can get it?
not sure mate its out of stock everywhere like you say. Could try high definition detail possibly?
KKD didn't even reply to an email I sent them asking if they could tell me anything. Went to the address on the website as it's not much of a detour on the way home from work, and couldn't find them. Does anyone know anything?
Those things are WAY too expensive...
I'll keep my cordless Dewalt DA...
That $750 price tag is for the while kit. Machine only if history is anything to go by will be closer to $480.
But there is a reason they cost so much. They really are that good. They are the industry standard for a reason.
@@GregoryVeizades You won't get far without enough batteries and chargers... So... Machine only is kinda useless 🤷
Anyhow, it's way more expensive than other cordless polishers 🤷
I think rupes will always be top of market. And being top of market means they wont compete price wise with other brands, the moment they try to they will be dhoomed. But their model seems to be working, even though you have to accept not all will buy them or be able to afford them.
Down to person preferences. But I think Rupes polishers are over hyped. I have a Rupes 15 mk3 it wasn't all that the hype cut out to be. This video felt like pan the advertiser 😂😂 I love Rupes pads and polish tho 👌 but meguiars still tops it. Rupes is over hyped. There definitely is better products on the market. That's for sure!
You get what you pay for, they say. For what I'm getting, the machine is very fairly priced. In professional detailing, time is money. Results, too.
I will stick with corded version thanx
do you have any idea wen the machine bundels will come out without all the extra stuff just the polisher and the battery ?
I dont mate sorry if you ping rupes an email they will be able to give a estimate hopefully mate sorry
@forensicdetailingchannel ultimatum if you had access to both flex and rupes battery eco system which one would you get? flex cordless xfe / xce forced rotation or either of these rupes cordless ?
I bought the flex xce cordless about 2 years ago for about £450 it's still brand new in its packaging still haven't used it yet was thinking should I sell it and get this rupes....i can see this rupes is about £300 more too but it just looks cool
I'm a forced rotation guy m8. Plus I have flex vac blower drills light inflator which all use their battery system. I spent a lot of money to get it all m8. But I think rupes will build all this as well they are at the start of their battery journey
Nice machine, better have deep pockets 😮
I must be correcting wrong. No way will those battery run times work for me.
Hi jhon I am looking for a new waster so you think the nilfisk 150
Core
Will do the job
I've not used it m8 but it's well regarded machine. Specs are solid.
@@ForensicDetailing got it love it
I’m in Australia and this unit costs $1,700
I BOUGT 1 CONKED OUT FIRST DAY
How much?!! 😂
3:41 Jon, no need for the apron - it's actually NOT made from MF but 100% polyester... 🤷♂ you will still scratch car with your 🍺💪
£750 plus. * COUGH *. Are you kidding me?! I can’t justify spending that much on that kit!
no and thats fine. theres a whole range of budget options out there for this. Rupes dont want to, and wont be able compete with the chinese companies. They want to be the most expensive and they want to innovate. nano ibrid, HLr75 etc... all innovative. All will get copied.
@@ForensicDetailing Thank you. Makes sense now what they’ve done. Still, look forward to you reviewing more affordable alternatives for us mere mortals!
is this a sponsored video?
Look at the t-shirt 😂
@@pjwork3091 its an an apron. His findigs are same ase mine. I sold my milwaukee 15 and 21 and got these. Much better machines really. Power is same and on everything else Rupes kicks ass.
@@jtm1979 Is this a sponsored post?
Unfortunately, successful youtubers are usually bought by the industry, I usually follow youtubers until they start getting lots of "free" products, then it's time to move on, I stopped following John when he got a free trip to a luxury resort from Turtle Wax if I remember correctly.
How would you rate them vs the flex xfe15?
3800 v 5200 top end is biggest difference
Thanks for the reply, great video as always. As a weekend warrior I'll stick with the flex as the batteries can be used in other tools, a battery system as specifically for one tool makes it a very specialised purchase IMO
thats interesting point yer. I think rupes will benefit from adding more tools to a suite that use these batteries so you can pool batteries. I bet this comes though just will take time. would love to see like rupes lights and blowers and drills etc.
Not for me. Another battery system I'll stick to DeWalt. At least Flex do other tools Rupes does nothing but polishers.
Good feedback m8. I think it's important point and I hope it comes
@@ForensicDetailing It was a no brainer for me to go with the DCM848 DeWalt DA. Seeing as I was already balls deep into a DeWalt money hole🤣. Above that I love the polisher anyway, it's near impossible to stall it.
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That price is insane...
Battery polishers are a pain in the arse 😂😂😂