Thank you Pastor, for your careful report of this good news. While y'all were there, we at home were praying that God would grant this very thing. God has been so gracious to those who love and fear Him. SDG!
Got to see/listen to the GA - my first since joining the PCA 5 years ago. Now that I am a ruling elder, I felt I needed to and was so glad I did. This quickly went from "i guess i should" to ..."when is the next one going live??" I was heartened not only by the overatures that were passed, and the approach and wording, but the tenor of disagreement or even differences that were expressed. I appreciated as well the words spoken by some that encouraged those in attendance to reach out in love and to listen to others, be it African American, Asian American, SSA, etc but without compromising the gospel. I was greatly encouraged by the GA and the outcomes. I came away so encouraged and thankful that I am part of the PCA. Also...Matthew, I have to say, ALMOST as much as I appreciated the GA, and your breakdown, I LOVED the thumbnail of Boba Fett for this video. Trivial...but true.
I very much appreciate your videos. I am a life-long Presbyterian in the PCUSA. I have been feeling drawn to the PCA for some time now with the discouraging developments in my denomination. I am completing my M.Div. in a PCUSA seminary.
T H A N K Y O U! I’d given up finding a good summary of revoice and the GA, and then this crossed my feed. The PCA congregation I had been a part of was more pro-revoice and now I understand why it’s problematic on an identity level, not just an action level.
Thanks for the description, and this does sound encouraging (especially after the dumpster fire that the SBC's turning into). But I'd be very interested in pointers to information about the PCA's study committee on the Masons that you mentioned toward the end.
Guy on the knee scooter sitting behind you at GA. I wish the was a greater understanding on overture one. I’ve listed out my thoughts on the elder FB group. Thankful for what you do.
I'm not even Presbyterian as of now.....Again as of now lol....this is great news for a denomination to stand on the Word of God. Amen to this!! Attended a Presby church on Sunday and loved it. I do prefer more upbeat music but I didn't attend for music I attended for the message and it was true out of the Good Book. That being said I can't believe I watched this entire episode and was interested in it lol.
Thank you for the summary. Here are the follow up questions I ask. Do you think the amended language will allow for someone like Johnson to continue in leadership (if there is no repentance)? I ask this, because the AIC on sexual identity seems to contradict what conservatives say they won. Tim Keller has been outspoken that he doesn't believe we can ban people from ordination based on sexual desires alone (I believe he stated that confessionally, there is no gradation between sexual desires and therefore they cannot be used to ban someone from ordination-he also suggested that we should not use the word identity in our BCO as it has variance in meaning). Kyle Keating who was on the AIC likewise stated we should not pass Overture 23. I am still working through the AIP report, and while it does some really good work, it seems to make some loopholes too. For example, it states men who identify as gay should not outright be kept from ordination. It says it would be wise for them to not use that language, but then says the church should not "police language". It seems to me this will cause more confusion than clarity on the PCA's stance on sexual identity.
Do you have links to the preaching at the GA? I found your channel when looking up making notes in the Bible. Since then, I’ve just been binging and going down trails that I find very helpful. Thanks for all the inspiring information.
The overtures can be seen here: pcaga.org/resources/ If you would like to watch the GA online, you can go here: pcaga.org/livestream/ The Thursday last business session is the most important.
Did they touch the subject of CRT? What stand do you see the PCA taking in relation to CRT? I am a member of a PCA church. My pastor didn't attend as he was sick.
That ship has sailed if you ask me. CRT in all but words are systemic in the PCA institutions. And the conservatives are too afraid they will be called a racist to do anything about it.
I'm not PCA but my understanding is that it will not affect the already ordained or subject then to discipline. If memory serves me, Greg Johnson himself had clarified this on Twitter.
Pastor Matt, thanks for this video! I’m new to Presbyterian understanding of baptism though I count myself Reformed (or at least Calvinistic) for years. Can you do a video on Federal Vision. I’ve seen a few 10 minute videos by Doug Wilson on it but I’m not sure what the point is or why it’s wrong. Is it similar to Lordship Salvation?
Pastor Dewey Roberts published a book explaining this: Historic Christianity and the Federal Vision. Basically, though proponents of the Federal Vision adamantly proclaim that they are solidly reformed, their soteriology is more aligned with Roman Catholicism - that baptism confers salvation, but you can lose that salvation. There is more to it, but that is the starting point.
@@YouthGuyGav I'm not a devout supporter of Doug Wilson, but many attacks toward him and others from Christ Church are largely false. The attacks are made mainly from professors from Westminster California, such as Scott and Horton. They basically are saying Doug Wilson is compromising the justification by faith and had published articles attacking him relentlessly, and I used to firmly believe that (I had two pastors graduating from Westminster California who strongly oppose Doug Wilson). Now, after I know more about Westminster California, I think it's pretty apparent that the professors there are being very biased against Doug Wilson (very similar to their opposition against John Frame). There is a lot to say about Westminster California I'm sure, but these are just a few of my observations.
@@valleyoftears8964 regardless of bias, I am just trying to understand the distinctions of Federal Vision. I only know Doug Wilson is connected to it because that’s what people say. I like his stuff on Postmillennialism but other than that I don’t really follow his ministry.
@@YouthGuyGav I'm simply providing some insights here because Dr. Scott Clark wrote extensively criticizing Federal Vision, and you can find theological articles written from him. I asked the same question how Doug Wilson was associated with Federal Vision a year ago, and my pastor who graduated from Westminster California shared with me Scott's article and basically told me Doug Wilson was dangerous and I should stay away from him (which I don't agree after spending time knowing who Doug Wilson is). You can also check Doug Wilson's website because he has written several articles responding criticism he received concerning Federal Vision.
he overtures can be seen here: pcaga.org/resources/ If you would like to watch the GA online, you can go here: pcaga.org/livestream/ The Thursday last business session is the most important.
To make the changes to the Book of Church Order, at least 60 of the 88 presbyteries must pass them this year and then it must be approved by next years GA (simple majority is needed.)
@@RyanSmith-zk4ve because many churches and Christians have adopted the language and want to make use of aspects of it. Some Christians and pastors just see the social justice gospel as loving your neighbor and don’t see it as antithetical to the faith.
The ability to speak truth WITHOUT being a jerk is one that is lost on many conservatives in the SBC right now. Glad to see some denominations still have the ability. Great video bro
He'll probably leave for the EPC or ECO. If the resolution gets 2/3 of presbytery approval, a lot of the Revoice affirming congregations will leave. His specific case will be up next year in Birmingham. The bbn issue is whether he'll drop the gay "identity" or not. If not, he'll have to leave or be defrocked.
Nice outcome, yes, but Greg Johnson is still in the denomination. When do they plan to kick him out since he shows no signs of repentance? You Presbyterian elders need to not only talk the talk, but walk the walk, get on with church discipline on Greg Johnson and excommunicate him already.
Thank you so much for doing this report for us. Just praising the Lord for this answer to prayer!! So Happy PCA is standing on Biblical truth!!
Thank you Pastor, for your careful report of this good news. While y'all were there, we at home were praying that God would grant this very thing. God has been so gracious to those who love and fear Him. SDG!
Matthew, excellent presentation! And I so appreciate your use of “we” and “our” which communicates your buy-in to your new community. God bless!
Thank you for posting. Glad to hear of the conservative, confessional, and Biblical standard wins!
Got to see/listen to the GA - my first since joining the PCA 5 years ago. Now that I am a ruling elder, I felt I needed to and was so glad I did. This quickly went from "i guess i should" to ..."when is the next one going live??" I was heartened not only by the overatures that were passed, and the approach and wording, but the tenor of disagreement or even differences that were expressed. I appreciated as well the words spoken by some that encouraged those in attendance to reach out in love and to listen to others, be it African American, Asian American, SSA, etc but without compromising the gospel. I was greatly encouraged by the GA and the outcomes. I came away so encouraged and thankful that I am part of the PCA. Also...Matthew, I have to say, ALMOST as much as I appreciated the GA, and your breakdown, I LOVED the thumbnail of Boba Fett for this video. Trivial...but true.
I very much appreciate your videos. I am a life-long Presbyterian in the PCUSA. I have been feeling drawn to the PCA for some time now with the discouraging developments in my denomination. I am completing my M.Div. in a PCUSA seminary.
T H A N K Y O U! I’d given up finding a good summary of revoice and the GA, and then this crossed my feed. The PCA congregation I had been a part of was more pro-revoice and now I understand why it’s problematic on an identity level, not just an action level.
Excellent news! Seems it came out better than the recent Southern Baptist Convention. Thank you so much for clarity and openness.
Excellent and exciting summary. Thank you!
Good news brothers. Stand firm. I have been very concerned about the PCA's trajectory on these matters.
Thanks for the description, and this does sound encouraging (especially after the dumpster fire that the SBC's turning into). But I'd be very interested in pointers to information about the PCA's study committee on the Masons that you mentioned toward the end.
Guy on the knee scooter sitting behind you at GA. I wish the was a greater understanding on overture one. I’ve listed out my thoughts on the elder FB group. Thankful for what you do.
Yeah bro! Come up and say hi next year!
I am a Particular Baptist in the SBC. I am thrilled the PCA took a stand against Revoice, even as my own brother is the worship leader for Revoice.
I'm not even Presbyterian as of now.....Again as of now lol....this is great news for a denomination to stand on the Word of God. Amen to this!! Attended a Presby church on Sunday and loved it. I do prefer more upbeat music but I didn't attend for music I attended for the message and it was true out of the Good Book. That being said I can't believe I watched this entire episode and was interested in it lol.
Thank you for the summary. Here are the follow up questions I ask. Do you think the amended language will allow for someone like Johnson to continue in leadership (if there is no repentance)? I ask this, because the AIC on sexual identity seems to contradict what conservatives say they won. Tim Keller has been outspoken that he doesn't believe we can ban people from ordination based on sexual desires alone (I believe he stated that confessionally, there is no gradation between sexual desires and therefore they cannot be used to ban someone from ordination-he also suggested that we should not use the word identity in our BCO as it has variance in meaning). Kyle Keating who was on the AIC likewise stated we should not pass Overture 23. I am still working through the AIP report, and while it does some really good work, it seems to make some loopholes too. For example, it states men who identify as gay should not outright be kept from ordination. It says it would be wise for them to not use that language, but then says the church should not "police language". It seems to me this will cause more confusion than clarity on the PCA's stance on sexual identity.
How would you compare it to the likewise relatively recent SBC Annual Meeting?
Do you have links to the preaching at the GA? I found your channel when looking up making notes in the Bible. Since then, I’ve just been binging and going down trails that I find very helpful. Thanks for all the inspiring information.
The overtures can be seen here: pcaga.org/resources/ If you would like to watch the GA online, you can go here: pcaga.org/livestream/ The Thursday last business session is the most important.
Did they touch the subject of CRT? What stand do you see the PCA taking in relation to CRT? I am a member of a PCA church. My pastor didn't attend as he was sick.
That ship has sailed if you ask me. CRT in all but words are systemic in the PCA institutions. And the conservatives are too afraid they will be called a racist to do anything about it.
How does the change to BCO regarding “SAA Christian” identity affect already ordained TE affect Greg Johnson and others already ordained?
I'm not PCA but my understanding is that it will not affect the already ordained or subject then to discipline. If memory serves me, Greg Johnson himself had clarified this on Twitter.
Is there a document showing the voting results for each of the 48 Overtures?
ByFaith magazine sends out a daily email…the vote totals - July 2nd edition had them. The Stated Clerk’s office should have them. Are you PCA?
Can we access videos of the meetings?
Pastor Matt, thanks for this video! I’m new to Presbyterian understanding of baptism though I count myself Reformed (or at least Calvinistic) for years.
Can you do a video on Federal Vision. I’ve seen a few 10 minute videos by Doug Wilson on it but I’m not sure what the point is or why it’s wrong. Is it similar to Lordship Salvation?
Pastor Dewey Roberts published a book explaining this: Historic Christianity and the Federal Vision. Basically, though proponents of the Federal Vision adamantly proclaim that they are solidly reformed, their soteriology is more aligned with Roman Catholicism - that baptism confers salvation, but you can lose that salvation. There is more to it, but that is the starting point.
@@sueregan2782 OK. Well I definitely disagree with that
@@YouthGuyGav I'm not a devout supporter of Doug Wilson, but many attacks toward him and others from Christ Church are largely false. The attacks are made mainly from professors from Westminster California, such as Scott and Horton. They basically are saying Doug Wilson is compromising the justification by faith and had published articles attacking him relentlessly, and I used to firmly believe that (I had two pastors graduating from Westminster California who strongly oppose Doug Wilson). Now, after I know more about Westminster California, I think it's pretty apparent that the professors there are being very biased against Doug Wilson (very similar to their opposition against John Frame). There is a lot to say about Westminster California I'm sure, but these are just a few of my observations.
@@valleyoftears8964 regardless of bias, I am just trying to understand the distinctions of Federal Vision. I only know Doug Wilson is connected to it because that’s what people say. I like his stuff on Postmillennialism but other than that I don’t really follow his ministry.
@@YouthGuyGav I'm simply providing some insights here because Dr. Scott Clark wrote extensively criticizing Federal Vision, and you can find theological articles written from him. I asked the same question how Doug Wilson was associated with Federal Vision a year ago, and my pastor who graduated from Westminster California shared with me Scott's article and basically told me Doug Wilson was dangerous and I should stay away from him (which I don't agree after spending time knowing who Doug Wilson is). You can also check Doug Wilson's website because he has written several articles responding criticism he received concerning Federal Vision.
not a presby... but thanks for this explanation - and your other content. ~ blessings
he overtures can be seen here: pcaga.org/resources/ If you would like to watch the GA online, you can go here: pcaga.org/livestream/ The Thursday last business session is the most important.
Great Amil t-shirt!
Watch Dr. John MacArthur on infant baptism. R.C. Sproul too.
To make the changes to the Book of Church Order, at least 60 of the 88 presbyteries must pass them this year and then it must be approved by next years GA (simple majority is needed.)
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Was CRT addressed at all?
We rejected doing a study group on that topic.
@@MatthewEverhard Do you think that was a good decision? Was it seen as a refutation of CRT?
@@MatthewEverhard I appreciate the video and your response but I am surprised that the study group did not get pushed forward.
@@philniceforo7781 Why are you surprised? CRT is blatantly antithetical to the Christian faith and Westminster standards. No study is needed.
@@RyanSmith-zk4ve because many churches and Christians have adopted the language and want to make use of aspects of it. Some Christians and pastors just see the social justice gospel as loving your neighbor and don’t see it as antithetical to the faith.
The ability to speak truth WITHOUT being a jerk is one that is lost on many conservatives in the SBC right now. Glad to see some denominations still have the ability. Great video bro
@27:00 “just as nasty as any unbeliever” ;) Telling comment?
As long as Greg Johnson is still in good and regular standing you've done nothing to stop revoice. The leaven remains.
I think once the SJC receives original jurisdiction in his case, that might not be the case for much longer.
He'll probably leave for the EPC or ECO. If the resolution gets 2/3 of presbytery approval, a lot of the Revoice affirming congregations will leave. His specific case will be up next year in Birmingham. The bbn issue is whether he'll drop the gay "identity" or not. If not, he'll have to leave or be defrocked.
@@Christian-vq8rd my thoughts exactly
@@dentonbc that is true, yet I wonder if the EPC won’t start to fold due to women’s ordination and the way they are headed in general.
When Jesus was tempted, did he desire what Satan offered?
Nice outcome, yes, but Greg Johnson is still in the denomination. When do they plan to kick him out since he shows no signs of repentance? You Presbyterian elders need to not only talk the talk, but walk the walk, get on with church discipline on Greg Johnson and excommunicate him already.
Church politics, nothing worse.