Michigan DNR couldn't manage a lemonade stand! Everything this guy is saying is BS! I'm not advocating for a longer season but to say it offers diminishing returns is absurd. It doesn't even make sense. Like most of what the Michigan DNR says and does.
@@michaelblair6955 yeah I know. I hunt there. I don't have a problem with extending the season. My point was MDNR doesn't know what the hell they're doing! And they try to feed everyone a line of BS to cover it up.
I don't have your downstate problems, I have U.P problems. We've had hard winters and the deer returned but now that we have wolf's the deer population has gotten smaller and smaller. Supposedly we have 126,000 Whitetails and supposedly we have 600 wolf's. I believe the wolf population is much, much higher than 600, more like double that. If that number is true why do hunters see wolf's but not see deer? This is my eighth year of not shooting a deer. Have I seen deer? Yes. I still hunted six full days during rifle season and this year I saw 2 deer, a spike and a fork but not one other single deer, not a doe, fawn or fleeting tail. A know a disabled guy that spent 11 full days in his blind, hunting over bait during the peak of the rut and did not see a single deer! Seven years ago it was my 14 year old sons first deer season was spent sitting in a blind. After a few days hunting he asked me, "Dad if we see a deer should I even shoot it?" "What do you mean?" "We aren't seeing anything so there aren't a lot of deer. Wouldn't me shooting one just make it worse?" My son, now 22, has totally lost interest in deer hunting. I'd like to add that I did not see a wolf this year still hunting I rarely do but their tracks far outnumbered Whitetails. We are so far out of balance. I've been hunting for 42 year and this year was my last. I cannot keep supporting a DNR that does not support me. It's about revenue for the DNR and not about wildlife management. Park passes and other DNR money-makers will just increase in price to compensate. Since nothing is being done about the predator issues we have I think that it's long overdue that downstate should have wolf's reintroduced. All those tree huggers can have all the wolf's they want. When your pets start to go missing and your precious Elk herd and deer herd gets smacked down maybe then the DNR might decide to make a step in the correct direction.
"It's about revenue for the DNR..." Man, you are so right! For decades, the DNR has been more concerned about financial resources than natural resources. Down here, we have the White Pine Trail, a state park. The DNR has never figured a way to make money from it so they just ignore it. Remember when the 'park pass' was made part of your car registration? They told us it would cover state parks entry and boat ramps that charged a fee. Took them about a minute and a half to make it mandatory for all boat ramps (including the ones that were free before) _and_ stream access points (they never had a charge before). Then they added state forest campgrounds...not the camping (that wasn't free already), just to drive in and look or use the toilet, you had to have the '"state park pass".
@@wdtaut5650 yep. The state park near me, Twin Lakes, stopped me from getting potable water because it's "only for campers". Before that they started charging me 4 dollars for a shower before I got my sauna and shower system all hooked up. I'm a state employee btw. 🫠
The cost of a combo deer license is outrageous anymore. I wouldn't mind paying more if the DNR would clean up the rivers here in Michigan. The revenue they make goes straight to their pockets. It's a shame.
In Grayling (Crawford county) they clear cut massive patches of forest land all through the summer. They even started an area less than a 1/4 mile from me on opening day of regular rifle season. I didn't see a single deer for the entire week I was there.
Those old timers used to stop at the check stations to get deer looked at, but if DNR officer's would rather set behind a screen and let the public do their jobs, then who needs them.
The old timers are smarter than registering online! Miss ONE step and The Green Trucks Guna show up at your door and wanta play 50 questions an take your Deer and Gun!
@@roberttaylor8261 I don’t agree with the law but I don’t break them hunting I like my rights now I’ll go ten over the speed limit all day but that’s a little fine compared to a deer not probably done
Oh I didn’t say break the law! The old Timers 90% are going to take deer to deer check station and make them do the work. Since when does a Hunter trying to put food on the table or freezer for the yr have to have a computer to do some State Workers Job?
The cost of a combo deer license is now over $50. That's just awful!! A lot of people here in Michigan don't want to pay that, and I can completely understand that. Many people go out, shoot their buck or doe and do the processing themselves.
@@michaelblair6955 yeah that's what I was trying to say. My brother has gone hunting every year since the 80s and now he just can't afford to go anymore. You're right it's you're better off buying a cow
@@blisscick Location, location, location...along with time, skill, and know-how! I typically get 4-6 deer a year ($100-ish)...and process it all myself. 200-300 pounds of meat...that's cents per pound, rather than a few dollars per pound! 1-2 come off my own property, and I have permission on a couple other properties that are relatively close. If you pay someone else to process your animals...yeah, you're better off getting a cow.
We hear the same crap down here in Mississippi! "TOO MANY DEER"! Meanwhile, You're lucky to even see one in some areas, and you got everyone and their brother with a feeder out their kitchen window, a cell camera on it, and a crossbow on the ready!
Our hunters are hanging it up cause our state has taken the challenge of hunting away it started with the crossbow rules . Ruined my season brought more gun hunters into my season and took the challenge away from seeing the deer and pulling back a bow with out them knowing. Lets make the sport easier lol well if its easy it aint worth doing the reward isnt as good so by kids . And now were stuck with guys shooting everything and less and less people participating. Bring back the rules from early 90's and watch people come back oh and lower the price on tags its turning into a rich mans sport not a sportsman sport. Hell if u are low income give them a tag how about that
Kentucky had a massive acorn crop this season. Deer harvest was down because there was so much food, deer did not have to travel from bedding to feeding areas. Deer depended less on agricultural fields, and baiting (legal here) was less effective for many hunters that depend on that type of hunting to bring deer in to their hunting location.
In that one section they say is cheaper to hunt ????? It cost me $34 to buy a one buck tag in 2023. As for to many does or longer season !! For many years now they’ve (DNR) had seasons open up in JUNE! Killing does that just dropped their fawns WTH ! I couldn’t believe it when I read it in the hunting guide book from the Michigan DNR Then they extended antlerless tags into January. Well a lot of bucks drop their antlers the end of December into January. I’ve heard of a few that shot “antlerless” deer in January but ended up being bucks. So how do you get a very declined deer heard? By having eradication of them for seven months out of the year. I’ve hunted in this area since the early 80’s. I’ve never seen the heard so low. Now these numbers only included hunters. Not the farmers that get unlimited tags for crop damage either. Now back to the management of the heard. I have a neighbor that had the dnr on his trailcams in the dark with silencers on private property without permission! actually shot a buck he’s been watching all year. Now if any other people would have done anything like that we’d be looking at prison time. Something is seriously messed up here. The deer head is NOT high I fear with one bad winter and the same practices we’d all be going to different states to get venison. Oh and I stopped fishing because it’s almost impossible to do it legally according to their now 70+ page book I actually stopped a DNR officer and asked him about fishing creeks it was three different pages to figure out if I could pull over a fish a creek.
It's not the culture or declining hunters or whatever else he said it's the fact it's so hard to hunt a deer or anything with all the legal bs. They look for literally any reason to fine you after you pay outrageous fees to hunt in the first place for someone new to get into hunting it is almost impossible to not walk out without a fine unless you're in school for a week. Reading all the restrictions and all the rules and all the stuff you have to remember. You need a large book in your pocket so you don't get fined. You've got DNR agents with a spotting scope a mile away. Watching you do every little thing and just writing in there little notebook. Here's a fine. Here's a fine. Here's a fine you take a deer and you miss one little step. And oh here is 185 fine and 1,700 in restitution for a deer that you paid to shoot in first place
When I started fishing and hunting in Michigan (believe me, it was a long time ago. The Chad character wasn't born then.), we considered the DNR (Conservation Dept. then) to be our partners, helping to improve our fishing and hunting. The creation of he DNR changed all that. At best, we became research subjects for the biologists, a nuisance to law enforcement, and actual enemies of wildlife to all the tree huggers they hired. Remember that woman appointed to the NRC who's first priority was to find out how much damage it does dragging a deer out of the woods? If she had ever learned fishermen actually walk in the water we would have been doomed. That's today's DNR -- politics and money. Your money, the more the better, higher and more license fees, higher and more fines.
This cr*p started decades ago. This administration has no inclination or motivation (no sign of ability, either) to make any improvements and I don't have much hope for the next one. The record is long
@wdtaut5650 MI gov't does have a history of fumbling the ball regardless of which team has it at the time. Voting for the one that fumbles less is not very inspiring but still necessary.
300 for non resident is too high. Gas prices on top of that. Ill just stay home and play video games in warm house. I use to take 5 or more per year. I dont even fish in michigan anymore.
Fox News? Try any of them! Look at all the BS ABC CNN MSNBC they ran with about Trump and Russia an The Covid Virus not coming from China? Hunters Laptop was fake?
Driving from Canada down to Indiana to visit our grandchildren, I have never seen so many dead deer on the side of the highway and I am Canadian. Insane how many dead deer there were in the first 25 miles crossing the border, at least 50 dead deer. In zone 016, I think from the map.
Wants more hunters and more deer taken... Bans bait...raises tag prices from $30/combo to $51/combo(with "base lic"), and doe tags up to $20...takes away chances of a buck for children and vets special season. Talk about something Done Not Right!
This is one of the biggest BS stories ever. Do these reporters know ANYTHING about deer hunting, deer management. the DNR? At 0:18, "...countless rounds of buckshot..." I'm not going to say no one hunts with buckshot, but I guarantee I don't know anyone who does. They talk about subjects they don't explain, there is no premise for the interview, what's going on here? Useless.
The DNR has put restrictions on what bucks can be shot so yes, lower deer harvest should be expected.
Michigan DNR couldn't manage a lemonade stand! Everything this guy is saying is BS! I'm not advocating for a longer season but to say it offers diminishing returns is absurd. It doesn't even make sense. Like most of what the Michigan DNR says and does.
Ohio's season for bow runs till February 4th, ours should to.
@@michaelblair6955 yeah I know. I hunt there. I don't have a problem with extending the season. My point was MDNR doesn't know what the hell they're doing! And they try to feed everyone a line of BS to cover it up.
The UP.population down because of unregulated wolf numbers
So meny deer you guys went to a high fence ranch to film one
I don't have your downstate problems, I have U.P problems. We've had hard winters and the deer returned but now that we have wolf's the deer population has gotten smaller and smaller.
Supposedly we have 126,000 Whitetails and supposedly we have 600 wolf's. I believe the wolf population is much, much higher than 600, more like double that.
If that number is true why do hunters see wolf's but not see deer?
This is my eighth year of not shooting a deer. Have I seen deer? Yes. I still hunted six full days during rifle season and this year I saw 2 deer, a spike and a fork but not one other single deer, not a doe, fawn or fleeting tail.
A know a disabled guy that spent 11 full days in his blind, hunting over bait during the peak of the rut and did not see a single deer!
Seven years ago it was my 14 year old sons first deer season was spent sitting in a blind. After a few days hunting he asked me,
"Dad if we see a deer should I even shoot it?"
"What do you mean?"
"We aren't seeing anything so there aren't a lot of deer. Wouldn't me shooting one just make it worse?"
My son, now 22, has totally lost interest in deer hunting.
I'd like to add that I did not see a wolf this year still hunting I rarely do but their tracks far outnumbered Whitetails.
We are so far out of balance.
I've been hunting for 42 year and this year was my last. I cannot keep supporting a DNR that does not support me. It's about revenue for the DNR and not about wildlife management. Park passes and other DNR money-makers will just increase in price to compensate.
Since nothing is being done about the predator issues we have I think that it's long overdue that downstate should have wolf's reintroduced. All those tree huggers can have all the wolf's they want. When your pets start to go missing and your precious Elk herd and deer herd gets smacked down maybe then the DNR might decide to make a step in the correct direction.
"It's about revenue for the DNR..." Man, you are so right! For decades, the DNR has been more concerned about financial resources than natural resources. Down here, we have the White Pine Trail, a state park. The DNR has never figured a way to make money from it so they just ignore it. Remember when the 'park pass' was made part of your car registration? They told us it would cover state parks entry and boat ramps that charged a fee. Took them about a minute and a half to make it mandatory for all boat ramps (including the ones that were free before) _and_ stream access points (they never had a charge before). Then they added state forest campgrounds...not the camping (that wasn't free already), just to drive in and look or use the toilet, you had to have the '"state park pass".
@@wdtaut5650 yep. The state park near me, Twin Lakes, stopped me from getting potable water because it's "only for campers". Before that they started charging me 4 dollars for a shower before I got my sauna and shower system all hooked up.
I'm a state employee btw. 🫠
The cost of a combo deer license is outrageous anymore. I wouldn't mind paying more if the DNR would clean up the rivers here in Michigan. The revenue they make goes straight to their pockets. It's a shame.
In Grayling (Crawford county) they clear cut massive patches of forest land all through the summer. They even started an area less than a 1/4 mile from me on opening day of regular rifle season. I didn't see a single deer for the entire week I was there.
Did harvest really drop or did to meny old timers not no how to log there deer online
Those old timers used to stop at the check stations to get deer looked at, but if DNR officer's would rather set behind a screen and let the public do their jobs, then who needs them.
The old timers are smarter than registering online! Miss ONE step and The Green Trucks Guna show up at your door and wanta play 50 questions an take your Deer and Gun!
@@roberttaylor8261 I don’t agree with the law but I don’t break them hunting I like my rights now I’ll go ten over the speed limit all day but that’s a little fine compared to a deer not probably done
Oh I didn’t say break the law! The old Timers 90% are going to take deer to deer check station and make them do the work. Since when does a Hunter trying to put food on the table or freezer for the yr have to have a computer to do some State Workers Job?
And yeah states trying to make all the tags and stuff online that will drive people away from hunting to
😂 Major BS
The cost of a combo deer license is now over $50. That's just awful!! A lot of people here in Michigan don't want to pay that, and I can completely understand that. Many people go out, shoot their buck or doe and do the processing themselves.
Anyone know if MI has a mentored hunter program for new hunters?
If your wanting to learn then make friends with an older hunter, tons of knowledge and mist happy to share what we know.
It's because the government has raised the prices for tags! Nobody has the money to go hunting anymore!😢
Factor in the price of gas, + ammo and other things needed, and it would be almost cheeper to buy a cow.
@@michaelblair6955 yeah that's what I was trying to say. My brother has gone hunting every year since the 80s and now he just can't afford to go anymore. You're right it's you're better off buying a cow
@@blisscick Location, location, location...along with time, skill, and know-how!
I typically get 4-6 deer a year ($100-ish)...and process it all myself. 200-300 pounds of meat...that's cents per pound, rather than a few dollars per pound!
1-2 come off my own property, and I have permission on a couple other properties that are relatively close.
If you pay someone else to process your animals...yeah, you're better off getting a cow.
To many deer is bullshit.
See the buck w/ the ear tag
We hear the same crap down here in Mississippi! "TOO MANY DEER"! Meanwhile, You're lucky to even see one in some areas, and you got everyone and their brother with a feeder out their kitchen window, a cell camera on it, and a crossbow on the ready!
Is anyone really surprised? Costs, baiting ban, harvest registration... keep on the same path dnr and it will be more of the same
They are making it more difficult and to many rules and the cost people just aren't wanting to hunt anymore because of all that in every state
I live in Wisconsin and the earn a buck permanently ruined population in many areas. Do not go with that option
Our hunters are hanging it up cause our state has taken the challenge of hunting away it started with the crossbow rules . Ruined my season brought more gun hunters into my season and took the challenge away from seeing the deer and pulling back a bow with out them knowing. Lets make the sport easier lol well if its easy it aint worth doing the reward isnt as good so by kids . And now were stuck with guys shooting everything and less and less people participating. Bring back the rules from early 90's and watch people come back oh and lower the price on tags its turning into a rich mans sport not a sportsman sport.
Hell if u are low income give them a tag how about that
Kentucky had a massive acorn crop this season. Deer harvest was down because there was so much food, deer did not have to travel from bedding to feeding areas. Deer depended less on agricultural fields, and baiting (legal here) was less effective for many hunters that depend on that type of hunting to bring deer in to their hunting location.
In that one section they say is cheaper to hunt ????? It cost me $34 to buy a one buck tag in 2023.
As for to many does or longer season !!
For many years now they’ve (DNR) had seasons open up in JUNE! Killing does that just dropped their fawns WTH ! I couldn’t believe it when I read it in the hunting guide book from the Michigan DNR Then they extended antlerless tags into January. Well a lot of bucks drop their antlers the end of December into January. I’ve heard of a few that shot “antlerless” deer in January but ended up being bucks. So how do you get a very declined deer heard? By having eradication of them for seven months out of the year. I’ve hunted in this area since the early 80’s. I’ve never seen the heard so low. Now these numbers only included hunters. Not the farmers that get unlimited tags for crop damage either.
Now back to the management of the heard. I have a neighbor that had the dnr on his trailcams in the dark with silencers on private property without permission! actually shot a buck he’s been watching all year. Now if any other people would have done anything like that we’d be looking at prison time. Something is seriously messed up here.
The deer head is NOT high I fear with one bad winter and the same practices we’d all be going to different states to get venison.
Oh and I stopped fishing because it’s almost impossible to do it legally according to their now 70+ page book I actually stopped a DNR officer and asked him about fishing creeks it was three different pages to figure out if I could pull over a fish a creek.
Do they allow baiting?
YEA THE WOLVES CHANGE OPEN THE SEASON YOUR BLOWING IT IN THE UPPER
It's not the culture or declining hunters or whatever else he said it's the fact it's so hard to hunt a deer or anything with all the legal bs. They look for literally any reason to fine you after you pay outrageous fees to hunt in the first place for someone new to get into hunting it is almost impossible to not walk out without a fine unless you're in school for a week. Reading all the restrictions and all the rules and all the stuff you have to remember. You need a large book in your pocket so you don't get fined. You've got DNR agents with a spotting scope a mile away. Watching you do every little thing and just writing in there little notebook. Here's a fine. Here's a fine. Here's a fine you take a deer and you miss one little step. And oh here is 185 fine and 1,700 in restitution for a deer that you paid to shoot in first place
When I started fishing and hunting in Michigan (believe me, it was a long time ago. The Chad character wasn't born then.), we considered the DNR (Conservation Dept. then) to be our partners, helping to improve our fishing and hunting. The creation of he DNR changed all that. At best, we became research subjects for the biologists, a nuisance to law enforcement, and actual enemies of wildlife to all the tree huggers they hired. Remember that woman appointed to the NRC who's first priority was to find out how much damage it does dragging a deer out of the woods? If she had ever learned fishermen actually walk in the water we would have been doomed. That's today's DNR -- politics and money. Your money, the more the better, higher and more license fees, higher and more fines.
You voted for this administration and legislature. Enjoy!
Dominion knows
@richhauxwell7848 Good point! Maybe we didn't vote for her!
This cr*p started decades ago. This administration has no inclination or motivation (no sign of ability, either) to make any improvements and I don't have much hope for the next one. The record is long
@wdtaut5650 MI gov't does have a history of fumbling the ball regardless of which team has it at the time. Voting for the one that fumbles less is not very inspiring but still necessary.
APR's or 1 buck tag will likely force more doe to be harvested in order to fill the freezer.
Eventually better bucks to hunt.
Our equipment is expensive and time is valuable
Michigan's deer hunting problems and issues started with Chad Stewarts employment.
He needs to freshen his resume and go away!!
I'll chip in for a ticket for him to go somewhere else. 😂
Are you forgetting the Last Stewart in the same capacity?
300 for non resident is too high. Gas prices on top of that. Ill just stay home and play video games in warm house. I use to take 5 or more per year. I dont even fish in michigan anymore.
Sounds like they need some wolves, I know where they can get some
Can't believe anything a fox Station says. Sad
Hard to believe any news report nowadays.
Truth
Fox News? Try any of them! Look at all the BS ABC CNN MSNBC they ran with about Trump and Russia an The Covid Virus not coming from China? Hunters Laptop was fake?
I usually only watch The Lame Stream Media Propaganda Outlets for the weather but that's , at best, a 50/50 Guess
Yea the Other MSM sucks even more with all of the Fake News!
Are young people hunting?
Driving from Canada down to Indiana to visit our grandchildren, I have never seen so many dead deer on the side of the highway and I am Canadian. Insane how many dead deer there were in the first 25 miles crossing the border, at least 50 dead deer. In zone 016, I think from the map.
Nice of the news to show pictures of deer that are not Whitetails! No mention of wolves.
Wants more hunters and more deer taken...
Bans bait...raises tag prices from $30/combo to $51/combo(with "base lic"), and doe tags up to $20...takes away chances of a buck for children and vets special season.
Talk about something Done Not Right!
Hunting License is to high lower the price of hunting and you will have more hunters.
Ammo cost more than that, you can’t afford a license?
Allow baiting again
There are so many deer its crazy. They are everywhere. Most hunters just suck.
Baiting needs to be allowed again for michigan
This is one of the biggest BS stories ever. Do these reporters know ANYTHING about deer hunting, deer management. the DNR? At 0:18, "...countless rounds of buckshot..." I'm not going to say no one hunts with buckshot, but I guarantee I don't know anyone who does. They talk about subjects they don't explain, there is no premise for the interview, what's going on here? Useless.
Go back to a draw for doe and antler restrictions of 4 on a side
Stop shooting doe,
the michigan DNR is an anti hunting organization