Knott's Berry Farm Giga Coaster CANCELLED?! New B&M Mini Hyper Plans Discovered!
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- At the end of last year, we discovered plans for a 347 foot tall roller coaster on its way to Knott's Berry Farm. Now, new, more recent plans have been found which plan for a 165 foot tall "mini" hyper planned to start next to Ghostrider, pass under Beach Blvd, and over towards the parking lot.
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“Knott a giga” Taylor’s so punny 🤣
Thats just cringe
No, youre so punny. (In the vein of the "cheesy" burger king commercials.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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There was always the possibility that even CF never expected the Knott's giga to be built. They always ight've wanted a mini hyper, but at first proposed a giga so that they could "listen to concerns" and then propose the coaster they always wanted as a more moderate option.
Exactly my thought, much smaller and at a much less impactful location.
The door-in-the-face technique
It’s like negotiating with a kid about eating their vegetables. You want them to eat as much as possible, but you know they’re not eating them all. So you say “6 more bites and then dessert.” They say “no, 1 bite!” And this goes back and forth until you settle on one bite but you at least get them to eat something. In this case, Knott’s wanted 347 bites, and may be settling on 182. Still great! If we get a 182’ B&M hyper at this park it could be the best ride there, and have a much better throughput than 400 riders per hour unlike certain other headliners.
@@joeygassmann5595 yeah as a knotts local, if it is a b&m im excited about throughput since knotts honestly has bad capacity for most of their rides. Maybe this can eat up and split crowds in that area.
Could it be a marketing ploy? Simply to show that it’s not Cedars fault? Meaning here is what we wanted to do, knowing it would get rejected, then build something more moderate?
Moral of the video: Do NOT get hyped for a roller coaster that hasn’t been built yet until, or in this case, UNLESS it’s officially announced in the form of a video. And text descriptions don’t count.
Same goes for this layout as well. Nothing is official yet and there might be several more before this ride is finalized
@@Johnnyiswhere agreed! THE most interesting thing about all of this... We're all extremely interested.
Whether this was a hoax to gauge interest or not, one things for sure, we're all extremely excited & interested.
I hope that eventually means something to someone important at Knott's if they're paying attention.
Knott’s is my home park and as much as I would have loved a Giga I think everyone knew it probably wasn’t going to happen, on another note im just grateful if we get another coaster considering how landlocked Knott’s is its extremely impressive if we ever get another ride no matter the stats, would help with the crowds too
Makes me wonder if the whole Giga option was just Cedar Fair's highball offer in a development dispute with the city. Essentially, they wanted a B&M hyper, but started with a giga so the "compromise" with the city is a hyper.
This would better explain the original plans that theoretically could have worked, but would have been astronomically expensive (at least 50M+). CF didn't care about the expense, as they really were not going forward with a Giga. So sure, throw in that parking garage.
Very good point. I still wouldn't personally bother with a hyper -style at unde 200ft and tradition layout though, virtually non marketable at that point. Won't be the tallest, fastest or anything really in even the park and while thusises know stats don't necessarily mean anything, the gp do.
@@heks128
They can find someway to market it. Silver Bullet didn't need any record breaking stats to be built. This would be both an airtime machine and capacity machine (one actually reliable). Things Knotts really, really needs.
If it does turn into a mini-hyper instead of a hyper, I could definitely see them investing in heavy theming to make up for it marketing wise. Think Shed 2.0.
That said, I wouldn't fully rule out going after some of Goliath's records.
A moment of silence for my knotts giga hopes and dreams.
….
Thank you
Goliath at La Ronde can provide good floater airtime, and is the best ride at the park. You can have fun in those mini-hypers. Add good theming and you have a top 2 in the park
I actually prefered Goliath at la ronde to behemoth at Canada's Wonderland. I felt that Goliath had more airtime, and it felt like behemoth was crawling
Goliath is the best ride at La Ronde, and it's a capacity machine. It's the headline attraction at the park and almost never seems to get above a 5-10 minute wait whenever I've visited. A park can't go wrong with a B&M Mini-Hyper.
Will this be the best ride at Knotts? No, probably not, but it's a solid addition, and gives Knotts an excellent and well-rounded Top 5.
Yeah the giga "announcement" was very ambitious for such a small park and the neighborhood noise situation totally makes sense. Sad to not have a giga within close reach of me living in Phoenix AZ but am excited to see how this project turns out!
Same, living in Phoenix I wanted a giga close. Especially after riding Fury last month, it really got my hopes up for that kind of coaster in California..
@@coastersandcosplays yeah we need one of those gut wrenching drops that feel like they’ll never stop here! The only giga I’ve ridden is Millennium Force and I’d love to experience another giga.
@@AdventuresWithAlex I've ridden the 4 Gigas in the US and I rank them: I305, Fury, Millennium Force then Orion
The park has a FUCKTON of property all around it that it could easily utilize. It literally has parking on all 4 sides outside the park, in 4 directions, and across multiple city streets!
Knott's is my home park, and my favorite thing about it is it's innate creativity, and their seemingly dogged determination to preserve that. Not one ride feels similar to the next, and they even manage to make them stand apart from their blood-brethren in other parks. The giga sounded exciting, but honestly, it always felt *way* out of Knott's league, which I think is for the best. Knott's thrives in making creative use of its space and location (I feel like some people forget SFMM is practically just up the road), and plopping down a giga awkwardly offset to one side of the park kinda just felt... wrong, and desperate even.
I really like the idea of something smaller heading to the park. Again, Knott's is super creative, and they always succeed in allowing their attractions to tell just as much a story as the surroundings they find themselves in... I just can't imagine they would be able to pull a giga off while remaining true to their character and that mission. Going back to my thought on SFMM above, there's a reason I go to SFMM over Knott's, and vice-versa. I just don't expect the AAA thrills that SFMM provides at Knott's, and I don't expect the charming thematic atmospheres and storytelling that Knott's provides at SFMM.
I think a mini hyper feels *a lot* more "Knott's", even though I do hope they don't work with B&M for this one. Again, I think this is a great opportunity to flex their creative muscles and do something a bit weirder and more endearing. There's a lot they could do with that brief off-site portion that excites me, even more than I think they'd be able to handle with all that borrowed parking-lot space planned for the giga. I am a little worried for the skyline, as it really sounds like it's gonna busy-up the view of Ghostrider, which, judging from the outlines here, would kinda be smothered from most of the major angles (entrance, Main Street, even the parking lot before you cross under Beach Blvd). One thing that might alleviate that (or exacerbate it) is the opening up of that area just outside the exit of Ghostrider, which really *really* feels like a total dead end. The exciting thing is that it would eliminate that awkward horseshoe (hehe) you take around Spurs and Ghost Town Grill to get to Wild Water Wilderness, allowing that area to grow some more life and to offer more of an inviting route to the Schoolhouse, Bird Cage Theater, and Calico River Rapids. This would also leave way to more sightlines of Ghostrider and it's lift and first drop from within the park. The potentially worrying thing is the station for the mini hyper completely commanding this area and that potential sightline, which, knowing Knott's, I doubt they would do to a monstrous degree, but is something that's definitely in the back of my mind.
Honestly this is much more exciting than the news about the giga to me. I think this smaller scale is for the best and will end up working in Knott's favor, and even in that of its surrounding communities. :+}
all that matters is how many more times per year would you/each person visit knotts because they had the giga? that's what the people in charge and their bean counters care about the most
Knotts doesn’t have the space, it’s as simple as that. Saying that such a ride is out of their league is insulting consider knotts has many rides that you don’t see in the west coast outside of knotts.
Knotts is focusing more on theming and family entertainment, coasters didn’t help attendance in the early 2000s when knotts became 6 flags jr .
I've ridden Goliath at La Ronde (Formally the tallest coaster in Canada till Behemoth, a real hyper, was built, and then CW outdid themselves with Leviathan) and it just... eh, what it really needed was more Height, it should have been a real hyper. It's also forgettable as hell, the only thing I remember was bording and hearing the Bilingual announcements telling me this is the Fastest coaster at La Ronde
It is a real Hyper.
I kinda like Goliath better than Behemoth. The floater air time feels better without the seat belts. Leviathan is still the best overall of course.
I know people are disappointed that they’re not getting Fury 325, but Knott’s doesn’t have anything built for airtime, especially floater. This is going to give Knott’s an incredible top 3.
Assuming Xcelerator lives to see another day, which I certainly hope is the case.
Not even that, but floater airtime is basically non existent throughout the western United states
@@joeygassmann5595 is Xcelerator SBNO? I haven't been following Knott's news
@@visionist7 since March, and rumors are saying it won’t reopen until November or later. Supposedly the fate of it lies with the fate of Top Thrill Dragster; if they decide to remove Dragster, it will provide parts for Xcelerator so it can live on. If not, it’s unclear how much longer the park can realistically keep dealing with the parts shortages and expensive maintenance of it.
I hope the West Coast gets a giga one day! Magic Mountain is more likely to get one than parks like Knott's and California's Great America, but we will see!
Not holding my breath. Magic Mountain would rather build useless crap that no one wants. All they need is a giga.
@@TruthPrevails89 To be fair the west coast just needs a good hyper. For some reason hyper coasters have something against any land west of Illinois. Fortunately, with my home park being Six Flags Over Georgia, I can relish in at least having something over Magic Mountain🎉😂
I think Cedar Fair was smart by going with the biggest most extremely coaster idea first, because now any design that is just slightly smaller in structure is way more likely to get approved. Reverse psychology LOL
I knew a giga wasn't happening the second I heard the rumors. Being in the engineering industry the past 20 years, it is not as easy as many think to get past restrictions, be it height, noise, or any other kind of restriction.
That's what we call Nimbys
You are correct, it is not always easy to overcome zoning limitations and neighbor concerns - however, as an urban planner of 33+ years, I can say that it is not impossible in many cases, and that there are ways to soften the blow of these projects with either physical or financial considerations. This could be an annoyance to neighbors, but it would not be as bad as many others types of projects in the perception of the neighbors. Low income housing, a new freeway, some other projects that might exercise eminent domain over some portion of the neighborhood - those would all cause a political explosion.
Further, the timeframe for the KBFgigacoaster is 5 years from May 2022 (per ACE rep with whom I spoke). We don't yet know the timeframe CF has for this new minihyper proposal, and I think to assume it would be only a one-year project is very optimistic. I also think that this new plan does not obviate the possibility of the earlier one. It may be a trial balloon to prove a point, albeit an expensive one. Anything is possible, up to and including the purchase of more land, which admittedly would be a real financial kick in the teeth.
@@brucejensen2693 You're an Urban planner? Can you tell me how pressured you are to prioritize Cars over people in your plans?
@@coastaku1954 Well, I am recently retired, so I can only speak from past experience. Up until about 10 years ago, we had free reign to include ample parking and level of service improvements to impacted roadways from virtually all projects. Cars were seen as a necessity and a right. As planners, we were not always happy with this situation - many people, including pedestrians and cyclists, suffer from car culture. However, more recent legislation, partly in response to climate change and partly to social justice issues, have given planners more tools to use to de-emphasize auto access in favor of walkers and cyclists and easier access to local amenities. Parking requirements are greatly reduced, and in terms of environmental impact analysis, vehicle miles travelled are now the standard of analysis instead of roadway function. I see this as a positive and progressive step forward. Late, but welcome.
@@brucejensen2693 Thank you, Car culture and car dependance does really really hamper other people's life if they use anything other than a car. I'm glad that things are changing and I'm glad that Urban Planners really did know best but were limited by what the politicians and drivers want, even if it makes it worse for them since more space for cars means more drivers, and more drivers mean more traffic
Just Imagine this not being a B&M and instead being the worlds first RMC T. rex.
I wish.
I could see this coaster to be an RMC T-Rex prototype before they could go crazy with other potential layouts.
If sound was a problem then there is possibly a way to dampen it a lot. As of now, to dampen the B&M roar, the track’s rails OR spine is filled with sand. We have also seen sound blockers on Silver Star at Europa Park. I don’t know if this would work, but what if “Berry 347” had BOTH it’s rails and spine filled with sand, along with sound blockers on the lift and some soundproof walls lower to the ground like what they have next to highways? This could possibly dampen “Berry 347’s” roar a lot and make it the most quiet B&M out there.
Hi! Love your videos. So, I've had the chance to speak with a local ACE rep from the SF Bay Area (in April), and he gave me some details about timing for megacoasters in CA. The CGA hyper is still very much on the books, and he says their schedule for this hyper is 2026 opening (50th anniversary). For the Knott's Giga, he said that the schedule Cedar Fair has would be 2027. He did not say why the KBF giga is skedded for those dates a half decade away, other than it was a combination of finances and providing time for Knotts to work out the issues with the City of Buena Park. The upshot is that nothing is certain yet for KBF, but also that multiple projects at either CGA or KBF are possible in the next few years. I would not count out any of these projects, nor would I assume that any will get built on any particular timeframe. Despite the noise issues adjacent to KBF, as a former urban planner I can see some solutions to allow the neighbors to either reach a compromise with KBF or be bought out.
Anyway - thanks for these great videos.
How does this ACE rep know the potential timelines for these projects? Is he part of the planning boards or something? Also, the CGA thing is officially not happening as CGA will be closing sometime over the next 11 years and CF isn't going to build a hyper at the park just to close the park.
Could be a Hyper-GTX…. we can only hope! Chance Rides deserves a chance and I think this can potentially be an airtime machine!
That would be cool but hyper gtx layouts are more twister and with small ejector hills. I do love Lightning Run though.
I would literally cry tears of joy if this was a Chance GTX. But Cedar Fair has a great relationship with B&M.
Yeah, had a feeling it was gonna get cancelled. There was no way Knott’s would be getting a coaster over 300 feet. I mean, a 175-foot hyper coaster would be good. Sure it wouldn’t be 200 feet tall, but the drop can, simply by digging into the earth.
Knott’s can still get a hyper with a similar statistic seen on Apollo’s Chariot at Busch Gardens Williamsburg or Phantom’s Revenge at Kennywood, with the drop being bigger than the coaster’s height.
I think a Giga coaster could work for California’s Great America though. There are plans for them to get a Hyper but I think they might go straight for the 300-foot mark rather than just the 200-foot one. At least that park isn’t completely surrounded by suburban areas like Knott’s is, so a Giga at CGA should be perfect.
CGA also has zero space so a hyper would be perfect for cga
CGA will never get a giga that close to the airport. Levi stadium wasn’t able to build a canopy because the FAA told them no. The reality is, California will NEVER see a giga, unless magic mountain builds one, and that’s not likely
@@tylerkriesel8590 California needs a giga. The east coast and midwest have 5. FIVE!
@@tylerkriesel8590 But, a CGA hyper is on the books for 2026.
@@RyanDaRizzle I don’t disagree with ya, but unfortunately it probably won’t happen. Maybe a company can build a new park out there, but idk.
I hate to say this as an enthusiast, if this is the final proposal, I'd honestly rather not get a coaster at all. I'd rather them invest the money on making their current coasters able to operate at a higher capacity, and then coming up with a clever way of getting a hyper or giga coaster before 2030. Also, this coaster would totally ruin the entrance experience into Ghosttown. The park entrance I'm not too worried about, but that entrance area into Ghosttown is awesome, and this would just completely ruin it, as well as the views of ghostrider while you walk up to it.
i agree, this ride is too short in length, height and will be like any other ride at SFMM
That’s what I’m saying!
Yeah the park is certainly aware that the giga was leaked and while its not their fault, downgrading this much is a terrible look. Might as well fix their slow operations instead.
What the hell are you guys talking about? This is the first B&M hyper on the west coast. Hell, it's the first one west of the Mississippi. Even if it's not as good as the other B&M hypers, it's still great news to west coast enthusiasts, many of whom have never experienced floater air time before
@@EmeraldBayMovies this layout isn't even for a hyper though, it's barely taller than Hangtime.
Considering it's Cedar Fair, the heights listed and the proximity to the entrance makes me think "could this be a B+M wing coaster?"
Something like Cedar Point's Gatekeeper?
Funny since gatekeeper was meant for knotts but got moved to CP
@@kbfbest I've never heard that before, always thought it was Leviathan that was intended for Knott's
Curious how much more B&M would have had to spend on a giga to handle a major earthquake. Steel Dragon 2000 is the only large giga (not counting Red Force at Ferrari Land) built near fault lines, so can see why Knotts would want to scale back to something more like Hollywood Dream.
Japan is susceptible to far stronger earthquakes. A Richter scale rating of 7.3 is the most in California history, while the 2011 earthquake in Japan was a cataclysmic 9.0. Keep in mind the richter scale is logarithmic, so an 8.0 is 10 times weaker than a 9.0
@@eriklakeland3857 Well the strongest known earthquake is actually estimated to be a 7.9, the 1906 San Francisco comes to mind. California also has the issue of having earthquakes that occur on land (as opposed to Japan's earthquakes based on the ocean), causing for shorter bursts of very strong shaking. Even small tremors can cause significant damage if close enough to the epicenter.
Japan is just incredibly overly-cautious, as that's how their culture is in general. It's why you see things like neatly packaged frozen meals that look like restaurant quality; meanwhile in the US we're completely fine with eating some weird brown microwaved slop advertised as a hamburger.
Nonetheless, coasters will be fine, as California does have some strict laws for earthquake readiness, but nothing too insane.,
@@effiodiego Also worth noting that the L.A area is resting on top of soft sediments, which tend to amplify seismic waves
Me in the first few seconds of this video:
“I got too attached 🥺”
Maybe this is a wing coaster, not a mini hyper. Idk, just a thought, you can’t really see weather or not it has inversions based on the plans.
I thought so too! Especially since its up front like Gatekeeper.
Knott’s is my home park so definitely a few thoughts here…
Pros: This attraction will still be a capacity machine, as long as Knott’s consistently runs 2-3 train ops. Knott’s is landlocked so the layout has to be creative and this will add more floater airtime to Knott’s other than some spots on Ghostrider. Since lines at Knott’s have gotten so long recently, this can up crowds but alleviate afternoon/evening queues for attractions like Ghostrider, Silver Bullet and Hangtime.
Cons: *sigh* no giga. Also, not sure about how I feel about the queue/station being so close to Ghostrider when that attraction can clog up that part of the park. At least with the giga, there was more separation between the two stations. Also, the track going over Ghostrider’s track leaving the station might mean a removal of trees by that turnaround into the lift which would be a bummer. Also, the plans to build under Beach Blvd will still have lots of difficulty getting approved.
My guess is that this pivot is as a result of fears of noise as well as budget constraints (e.g. building the parking garage due to giga project). Will be interesting to see how this develops
Yeah, the area around Ghostrider is already super crowded. It would be wise to put the entrance somewhere else.
Con: Went from being possibly one of the best coasters on the planet to an above average one. Thank you Knott’s.
Yeah but where the station is isn’t near ghost riders entrance (unless fastpass or ADA) so i think if the entrance to this coaster is places well it could work crowds well
@@doctatofu why are you blaming Knotts?
@@coconutmilkism No. it gets QUITE congested there. There’s the exit to Ghostrider and all the people that brings. There are the lockers. And guest services. And Pan For Gold. And for certain events like Haunt and Christmas the walkway is extended and has even more going on. Super bad idea to put yet another thing in that particular spot. Should be more backstage with an additional walkway looping around to near Big Foot Rapids. All that stuff being on a dead end doesn’t work. Plus, people have to remember that walkway was originally outside the park. It was never designed to handle the crowds from one major coaster let alone two PLUS Haunt mazes.
Whatever they build at Knott's Berry Farm, has to be a themed experience! I think it's easier to theme a smaller coaster, than a very large one ;-)
If they can't get a hyper let alone a giga, I think the best course of action would be to forgo B&M on this project and go with Chance Rides instead. We've seen how much punch Chance can get out of a mere 100 foot coaster (Lightning Run) think of how much better a ride could be by them with this much height. I know this is not likely since they haven't worked with Chance in recent years but given how much more forceful Lightning Run is compared to most B&M hypers, I think this height is Chance's sweet spot more than B&M. Plus it would be nice to have a little more variety within cedar Fair than to have the same segment of rides made by the same companies every time.
I dont see how this would help the park anywhere near as much. A) This would not expand the footprint of Knotts, no new walkways, and it doesn't even utilize the area past Ghostriders gate which is basically open almost half the year now anyways because its so packed. I've had a knotts pass for 18 years now and post covid the park is as busy as its ever been. Knotts needs some more breathing room.
B) Its ugly, this is not new knotts, this is old (2000-2012) knotts, ruins ghost town way more than the giga plans. The giga coaster you wouldn't even see from ghost town main street, other places the coaster is just backdrop portrait . It doesn't go over any of ghost town.Taking out the bakery, taking away all those seats and on top of that having giant coaster track going both ways over what I think is one of the nicest paths in the park. All those trees and the fountain, its a nice place. Now you'll have coaster track going both ways. Over the ghostrider pre lift and queue too. Way more intrusive to the park (Not neighbors) than the giga plans
C) Its simply not quite what the park needs coaster wise (if its not 244ft and 165). Knotts doesnt need a another good mid-tier thrill coaster. It needs a stand out steel coaster, a show stopper, a Magic Mountain Killer. Thats the only thrill ride knotts needs left. After that they have enough and can just focus on families again for 10 year add a new dark ride, redo jaguar.
I'm ok with a decent sized hyped coaster not a giga but its gotta have the right integration in the park and be bigger than Goliath still.
My thoughts exactly!!!
GP loves B&M hypers...they have massive capacity, are smooth and reliable. Can't really go wrong. I also would expect there to be something unique about this ride given it's small stature and the park's attendance numbers. Maybe great theming, maybe a launch?
I agree with almost everything, except for the park needing a "magic mountain killer". Knott's has found its niche and is thriving in it. It's not competing with Magic Mountain on the basis of coaster collection, it's competing (and winning, imo) on the basis of the overall visiting experience.
That being said, the park DOES need a capacity machine. The attendance numbers keep going up and the queues are getting insane nowadays. Having 3/4 of its major coasters hovering at 400-500 riders per hour is unacceptable.
If they build the Giga, they can fill the track with sand and add tunnels to reduce noise. The tunnels on Incredicoaster were built to project noise away from Anaheim.
This would be such an eyesore tbh. One thing I liked a lot about the giga plans was that the ride had its own space. It wasn't sitting on top of a bunch of other stuff like Silver Bullet. It could technically be a Ghost Town ride, but it left Ghost Town alone.
Also, RIP to thar corner of the park during Scary Farm. The four backlot mazes plus now TWO major coasters? The midway over there is small and that foot traffic would be awful.
Even though the Giga didn’t happen. This expansion is still gonna been legendary! Just the visuals alone will be amazing 🔥
Ok hear me out… they get the mini hyper AND the giga like Carowinds, Kings Island, and Canadas Wonderland… one can dream
I think it's totally fine for it to not be a Giga, give me something with strong airtime, high capacity, good tunnels, and decent intensity and I'll be happy.
I don't want to settle for the "I'm just grateful crowd". We've been clamoring, begging, pleading for a giga-coaster coaster for over a decade. They passed up on Gatekeeper & Leviathan, just to settle for this!!?? 🤦♂️
Its especially confusing that they'd go through the trouble of possibly excavating a tunnel under an 8 lane street, if your going to those lengths, then make it worth it!
I mean... I'm soo lost for a logical assumption as to why? 🤦♂️
Look, to those that say just be happy, I say it's difficult to be. For most of us, this is our childhood home park. A landlocked park, that we're VERY much aware of, so most of us know that this will be IT for quite sometime. Space is limited, it's surrounded by a residential area, lots of things working against our beloved park....
Having said that, I feel prematurely let down, the wait wasn't worth it... Ahhhh, I was really looking forward to that damn giga-coaster for 10+ years. At least give us a hyper with more exciting elements.
Sorry guys/gals, forgive my sadness/rant. I hope this isn't final.
The reality is, not even this might get built. With how California is with regulations, even this might get canceled. Do I don’t want to be that guy, but if it does get built, I would be grateful. Because knowing California, it all might just get canceled altogether.
@@tylerkriesel8590 classic case of we'll see... But not looking good as they have more space to work with in this layout by going under the road far away from residents, yet they went small. Puzzling. Since they chose to go small with more space, that decision alone convinces me this will happen.
But again, "we'll see"... 😔
From a business standpoint it’s also bad. I don’t see anything about the ride that would appeal to the general public. Parks always try to make the worlds first, tallest, fastest, and longest attractions to get people to go to their park. What does this coaster have to offer that would appeal to the public? A giga would have been a huge crowd drawer. Especially with how ambitious they were with the plans for it. This wouldn’t even be the tallest hyper coaster in California.
I feel ya
Knew this would happen. Knotts is land locked and not to mention a Giga is out of CF price range these days. A hyper is a way safer investment
My heart 🥺🥺🥺🥺💔💔
I inadvertently got into the coaster community by watching a Magic Mountain documentary. I work at the Knott's Berry Farm's Soak City so its cool to see what may come of the parks. A bit of a coincidence that this all fell together.
Knotts has a habit of making compact instant classics. A giga was way out of character for them but a non-hyper is right on brand. I hope its the deep purple color that boomerang was cuz it flies over the boysenberry place and that would look sick.
Goliath at La Ronde is pretty fun imo. Doesn't feel much different than a hyper with all the floater airtime, but it is slower. It was a really good addition to the park (sadly the last good addition this park had).
People from Socal already knew there was no way Knotts would built a Giga lol
I think a mini hyper makes more sense than a giga. Less expensive, less noise, more family friendly, better duration, and the airtime comes down to the profiling anyway. When I was younger “Steel Eel” was my #1.
I mean good for them for still planning something but if the downgrade is that severe I wouldn't even make a traditional hyper/giga layout that small and would use a different manufacturer and layout. From a marketability standpoint probably won't be tallest, fastest etc in even the park so idk about this.
Whether this was a hoax to gauge interest or not, one things for sure, we're all extremely excited & interested.
I hope that eventually means something to someone important at Knott's if they're paying attention.
Now I'm not saying I told you so, but I called it from the start. Everyone was so adamant that it would be a Giga in the south parking lot, but I always said that it would be a terrible location for a coaster and that it would most likely be a Hyper instead. Every single time I saw one of these videos, I always pointed out that it makes a lot more sense to try to put it in the front parking lot on the east side because over there, you would not get the noise complaint. On that side, Knott's is surrounded by its own stuff and then just businesses. There's no residential stuff close to that area so it wouldn't be a big deal. Yet, so many people were so sure. Plus, it was pretty obvious it couldn't be a Giga. Knott's just isn't the park for it. Now, does it suck that it will be a mini Hyper instead of a true Hyper? Yes, absolutely. However, I can't say that I didn't see these downgrades coming as the more reasonable solution.
Same here. I got bombarded with downvotes on the rollercoasters subreddit by dumbass enthusiasts who are disconnected from reality. It was obvious that it would never happen
If this is anything like Hamalayian music roller coaster then Knotts and fans should be very very happy with this addition, its quite what the park needs i think
It seems like Magic Mountain is the only viable place for California to get a giga.
They have the land. Question is do they have the money.
@@collinparsons3363 and that’s the problem. It’s Six Flags we’re talking about, they’re very cheap. They will only do it if there’s a record to be broken.
Knotts is my home park so that sucks that they might not get a giga but I would still be happy with a mini hyper.
I really hope they at least have 1 more option being proposed to see what the park will commit too!
yea , hoping for something in the middle of the two proposed plans
Honestly think Orion was the last NA giga
I reckon bgt will get one at some point
The thumbnail is amazing
This feels like the plan they actually wanted to do, and they presented the original one just so that it could be declined and make this plan look “reasonable” to the local commissions.
I find it interesting the Giga footprint isn't being touched at all for the new attraction. Maybe the Giga was shelved for a few years while they deal with noise and community issues.
As an ACE rep told me in April, the timeline for the Knott's Giga is 2027.
Yeah, jeez this does seem like a pretty dull layout. 100% agree it seems extremely ambitious in terms of fitting it in - which I really like to see. Hmmm. Weird one!
Who moves next door to an amusement park and then complains about noise? Ugh.
with the exception of Montezooma’s Revenge, all of the coasters have only been there since the late 90s/early 2000s. There are plenty of homes that have been there prior to that time
All of Knott's major coasters are only about 20 years old. Lots of people in the area were definitely there first, when the vibe of the park was very different.
my heart just SUNK bruh
I like the idea of a new major coaster at Knott’s Berry Farm but I’m worried about it spoiling the sight lines around it, especially if it crosses over the nice turnaround on GhostRide
Honestly I’m not that mad because of the Location being right next to a neighborhood.
They could put sand inside the track to make it more quiet.
@@mr.noride7226 true, but fitting a giga at the park is like trying to stuff everything in your closet because you don’t want to legit clean your room.
They could still go Giga, especially since the lift hill is facing across the street/mall, and most of the track is located on the newly accessed parking lot. Im extremely curious as to why they only went with a height of 167. Xcelerator is closer to the residential area and it's 205ft tall. The plans also state that this revision is in compliance with noise ordinances.
thumbnail title is great
Goliath at La Ronde is great for what the park can manage (without RMCing Monstre). The airtime is great, and it's a fun ride. If this is a B&M mini-hyper, I'd expect it to be about the same.
If Knotts gets the mini hyper, they should put a backwards car or train on it just like Hollywood dream
Reading the forums on tpr, someone posted awhile back ago that Knott's was asked about a Giga or Hyper coming and they said those plans are fake and have no plans on adding either to the park, for now. No Giga or Hyper coming to Knotts in the foreseeable future.
I love the mini hyper at universal studios Japan but the music built in definitely made it a much better ride
Knotts should build a large RMC coaster instead. Something like steel vengence
One thing that is almost certain is that this will be the LAST major ride in this park! There is just NO room unless they just finally decide to knock down either Soak City or the Independence Hall recreation…
Knotts own a huge chunk of land on the opposite side of Western Avenue. At some point in the future, they're gonna relocate a lot of the backstage area and the possibly even the south parking lot to make room for a sizable expansion South of Ghost Town.
I wouldn't expect anything for atleast a decade however.
@@jordanberndt4157 Wasn’t aware of that… Thanks
I'll still take it, we have nothing else like this on the west coast
Well, at least someone’s grateful lol
@@tylerkriesel8590 Obviously layout > stats, though I have heard mini hypers in general aren't as good as their normal hyper counterparts.
Any guesses on what the gimmick will be for Knott’s next coaster? I saw another commenter mention a wing coaster, but I think that would be too wide to fit through the underground tunnel unless they widen it. Maybe a flying coaster?
We already have a flying coaster, with Tatsu just up the hwy
I’m not surprised
if B&M doesn't make it then I predict Vekoma to make a new hyper model, cedar fair to start working with Intamin again and do a mega-lite, a Mack hyper (the most likely option), or even an S&S but that would be unlikely
Those blueprints do kinda remind me of kondaa at walibi belgium so maybe it will be an Intamin mega coaster
These new plans give me wing coaster vibes.
I mean, idk about you but im happy with this. I'm tired of having Goliath at magic mountain as the main hype coaster in the west
Any B&M would be good. Plus they are always high capacity so that’s an added benefit.
I hope that Cedar Fair is playing games With us and the city. The first coaster was ambitious but the layout was in a very unlikely location. It’s almost like they maximized the threat of visual and noise pollution to neighbors. On the contrary this proposal would require a lot of collaboration with the city going under public land in the roadway. So it actually just normalizes that process but I don’t think that the coaster itself is ambitious enough to warrant all of that collaboration and effort. I think the best solution would be a giant giga coaster that is in a far better location away from houses in the Northeast parking lot that also goes under grand Avenue. Best of both worlds. They could also have the station where the knots employment center is and extend the Midway near ghost rider further south. The park is going to need more open land for crowd comfort. The lift could go northeast over ghostrider away from neighborhing houses and drop in generally the same area as this proposal, but heading northeast instead of straight east.
See, now Six Flags MM should announce a Giga Coaster just to rub in the wound. That would be low-key funny.
But this is also sad. That Knotts Giga looked incredible. I wish the west coast had a Giga! 😢
The thing is MM doesn’t need a giga in my opinion. Them adding a giga is like adding prime Kobe to the 96 Michael Jordan’s bulls it’s just unfair.
@@JJJJ-he8bz Thats the point! It would be hilarious though. Magic Mountain would cement themselves in as one of the most dominant thrill parks of the world. I'd be for it xD
@@JamesLStapleton they would be a roller coaster tycoon park. X2, a giga, Tatsu and Twisted Coulssus, Wonder Woman as a top 5 would be broken.
I think you will be able to approve a giga coaster over that plot of land and that layout would be perfect for the park
I'm not really sure why Knott's is trying to do this. For that money they could just add a couple of really good small coasters like a Hyper GTX, maybe bring back the Soap Box Derby. Then also add a couple of really good Sally Dark Rides.
Because none of those rides have the capacity of a B&M non looper.
@@Johnnyiswhere That's totally true independently but between 4 attractions it could. I wouldn't just add one at a time but take the space behind G-rider and create some kind of new area.
I wonder if they still could fit the giga or maybe a hyper if it started back at mystery lodge
My whole problem with the supposed Giga in the first place was that it was going to be to close to residential AND the Hotel itself...yeah , guests would have LOVED to have trains of screaming people fly past them at 10-11pm lol
Matt Ouimet, Disneylands ex park president and current Cedar Fair board member has stated for over a decade about how much potential Knotts has always had.
Pre Pandemic they were at 4.2 million guest per year, highest in cedar fair, impressive given its size in comparison to EVERY other park in any company. Knott's is EASILY the smallest to achieve that accomplishment.
I believe that's why Knotts got the most capital investment this year within Cedar Fair (seemingly)...
300+ room Hotel refurb
Renovating a whole land in Fiesta Village
MonteZOOMa refurb
Like I was saying Matt Ouimet always saw potential in Knott’s, Disneyland has just priced families out, and now you have this large audience that's looking for quality family fun.
Its time to strike while the opportunity is there. Knotts has been SLOWLY refurbing old rides & improving infrastructure over the past 10+ years now, dating back to 2012-2013 with the Log Ride Refurb.
10 years before that they went on a coaster/ride buying spree filling in gaps in their lineup.
The next few years I see them finally finishing up with addressing parking and finally adding an elite/premiere, world class ride with a much needed incredible capacity, B&M.
They took the slow route properly positioning themselves for a project of this magnitude, while also preparing the park to better handle 4 million + guest per year, and preserving the parks aging iconic rides.
It will have been 30 years in 2027 since Cedar Fair bought Knotts in December of 1997, it's been one hell of a 30 year plan, not to mention a water park as well.
As Knotts & Cedar Fair closes out 30 years of improvements over the next 5 years, after nearly ALL 4 areas of the park & hotel has been refurbed and enhanced, it'll be EXTREMELY interesting to see what they have in store for the final few projects.
I still say giga-coaster, as they are now in prime position to support that project as nothing else in the park has been neglected and unaddressed besides the main entrance & parking. Remember they passed up on gatekeeper & leviathan back in 2009 - 2011, to instead focus on refurbing its aging rides & infrastructure.
What else is left besides repurposing & consolidating backstage areas, which coincidentally, that giga-coaster project had plans for, as well as a needed parking structure.
It'll be interesting, for sure.
I would still love a mini hyper for knotts it's a great fit and a great coaster, better then nothing...now the real giga is going to SFOT, i'm calling it now
Six flags, and a giga. 🤣🤣ok
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hahaha it was so unlikely. Bummer to hear it's dead though.
We need the Giga.... Knotts local here, and this new one is just okay.
I wonder if it's going to be the surf model
It’s incredible how much wasted space Knott’s has.
For example, they own a piece of land the size and shape of Disneyland’s Mickey And Friends parking structure across Western from Knott’s Bear-y Tales and they’re only using a small part of it for a flat employee lot.
Sure, a loud coaster that runs every 2 minutes until 9PM is too much, but let's keep building roads everywhere that create constant noise and danger all through the night... The hypocrisy is unreal.
Exactly.
Never Thought About it
Giga seemed a little overkill for a little theme park like Knott's anyway.
California is so awesome.
Wow that one hurt my soul I was kinda hyped for it ngl even tho I knew it wouldn't happen
By the sounds of it this will be quite like Hollywood Dream the Ride. Which might be one of B&Ms most underwhelming rides stat wise. But it being so close to the main street of Universal Studios Osaka adds a lot. And this will also have some good interactions with the surroundings. The night ride there is amazing especially on the backwards train. So maybe they'll add that here too.
If noise was such a issue all they would have to do is sand fill the tracks. I think they should scrap this who builds hypers at 165 feet anymore
I think my only disappointment about this announcement is that the Coaster is not at least taller than Xcelerator to be dubbed the tallest in the park, but otherwise I am still excited!
This makes me think cost is a big part of it, too. Not renovating the south end of the park, the ride is almost half the size of the previous one.
The turnaround goes directly past a church, they're definitely gonna get noise complaints from that. Just based off of going under a major road, I think these are sure to be changed in some way shape or form.
I wonder if Knott’s would be interested in their own Single Rail coaster, like Wonder Women or Railblazer? Seems like a small enough coaster for them to theme and not be too much of an eye sore lol.
Capacity is the issue. Knott's has too many coasters with bad capacity and it's slammed with crowds and long lines. A people eater like a B&M hyper will fit very well.
A Junior hyper coaster will still be fun
I think an Intamin multi launch would be the dream for this layout. I could also see a custom RMC Raptor if Magic Mountain wasn't about to get their own Raptor.
Here's my main hope. Knotts is more of a theme park than the other Cedar Fair parks. If there was going to be a compromise in size I'd love to see it made up for in theming. Knotts would really benefit from a highly themed coaster. Maybe split the difference between Verbolten and Hagrid in terms of thematic elements (though both were reportedly very expensive.) I'd definitely be on board with that, even over a giga.
1. Cedar Fair doesn't work with Intamin.
2. Universal had the IP to work with and BGW had the terrain. Knott's has neither.
i still feel like this wont be the final layout
Having Knott’s as my home park, this is a little disappointing, but like I said in my video, anything with floater airtime is needed desperately in the west coast. If this is only camelbacks, I wouldn’t complain one bit. It does appear to be a downgrade from the giga though, but it is what it is and I’m glad the west could be getting anything like this.
since this is less than half the size of the giga it for sure will cost alot less, it would be nice for them to use some of that giga money to make a fun ride with immersive theming, maybe even onboard audio too
I feel like knotts is just trying to add a capacity machine & a B&M hyper is kinda the easiest way you can do that.