McLaren F1 GTR vs. CanAm rockets

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  • Опубликовано: 4 дек 2024

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  • @motorsportvideo
    @motorsportvideo  12 лет назад +65

    the purple CanAm Rocket is a McLaren M8F, driven in 1974 by Helmut Kelleners (father of Ralf Kelleners, the driver of the F1GTR in this video).

  • @15DEAN1995
    @15DEAN1995 4 года назад +54

    4:35 is my favorite moment, the can am cars just casually walk away from the f1 gtr. it puts in perspective the mind bending speed of those early 70s monters

    • @SuperCrysis92
      @SuperCrysis92 Год назад

      In a straightaway it will dominate every one of them. Higher top speed. Had it been in front from the start. No competition.

    • @hotdog9262
      @hotdog9262 Год назад +2

      gtr was later on the throttle

    • @marcelk3847
      @marcelk3847 Год назад +1

      @@hotdog9262and he short shifted

    • @marcelk3847
      @marcelk3847 Год назад

      Compared to 9:50

    • @bert1981
      @bert1981 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@SuperCrysis92sorry but the fact they have 200 more horse power and less weight combined with the fact the long tail f1 can only barely do 200mph, means it’s doesn’t stand a chance can am mclarens do 200 on hangar straight at Silverstone they are so much faster than an f1 gtr in a straight line

  • @peterwyattmiddleton
    @peterwyattmiddleton 10 лет назад +39

    Thank you so much for no music no commentary. When I first read the title I was thinking "nooo cant be those CanAm's" then you made my heart melt.

  • @RRVCrinale
    @RRVCrinale 11 лет назад +81

    Look at that assortment of cars! It's like Gran Turismo coming to life!

  • @jacksonp.928
    @jacksonp.928 11 лет назад +175

    This is awesome. F1 GTR '97 at modern Spa with Can-Am cars. How much more could you ask for?

    • @crocodiletearsbro5782
      @crocodiletearsbro5782 7 лет назад +13

      a 917-30 in the field, but you're right in calling this awesome

    • @treatb09
      @treatb09 4 года назад

      group c is there too

    • @treatb09
      @treatb09 4 года назад +1

      the 917/30 is the greatest car ever made. to build that car today would cost a fortune and a half. it even had hollow titanium screws... you don't see stuff like that.

    • @zekkai1005
      @zekkai1005 4 года назад +1

      IER McLarenF1 Longtail when?

    • @johnsmith-oh2xo
      @johnsmith-oh2xo 3 года назад

      A sauber c-11 Merc a Porsche 962 and a Mazda 767b

  • @r107roadster
    @r107roadster 10 лет назад +88

    I have a new respect for how fantastically fast a Can Am car is! Thanks for the post

    • @garymatthys3605
      @garymatthys3605 5 лет назад +9

      CanAm car has power:weight AND aero = hard to beat.

    • @christianponicki9581
      @christianponicki9581 5 лет назад +12

      @@garymatthys3605 Let's compare:
      McLaren F1 GTR - 600HP, 2000lbs, 2000lbs of downforce
      typical Can-Am car - 650-800HP, 1400-1800lbs, 1500-2000lbs of downforce (it's hard to find data for these)
      McLaren has modern parts (chassis, brakes, etc.) as an advantage, but Can-Am has power, weight, and maybe downforce as an advantage. Idk about tires, but obviously the F1's original tires were way way better than Can-Am's original tires from the 60s.

    • @garymatthys3605
      @garymatthys3605 5 лет назад +11

      @@christianponicki9581 It's hard to compare cars from different eras(and classes to boot), but it's fun to see them actually compete against each other. Top examples of the fastest race cars of their times.

    • @Trucker1957
      @Trucker1957 5 лет назад +13

      You can have your high tech cars. I'll take the low teck Can Am cars hands down. I don't care how fast these modern GTR cars can go or how they handle. To me the cars of old were 100% more thrilling to watch.

    • @garymatthys3605
      @garymatthys3605 5 лет назад +7

      @@Trucker1957 The designers back then had so much more latitude to try different designs and ideas. Not so restricted by rules.

  • @jessehearndon497
    @jessehearndon497 9 лет назад +45

    Still probably one of the top 5 racecars ever built.
    Will be for a very long time.

  • @missinglink9973
    @missinglink9973 7 лет назад +20

    LOVE the Can Am cars always have totally brutal power and looks!!!

    • @mohammadamin2440
      @mohammadamin2440 7 лет назад +2

      Agree,they look more beautiful than modern ones and using big block engines.

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 4 года назад +1

      missing Link And slower than a wet week in corners...

  • @8o8whitelightning
    @8o8whitelightning 11 лет назад +5

    thanks for the vids ..from New Zealand ,the home of Sir Bruce Mclaren....its amazing to see his cars [ CanAms ] still being driven the way they were built for and not just collecting dust

  • @overtorque
    @overtorque 6 лет назад +10

    29 people forgot what a REAL racecar sounds and drives like...all motor, no boost. Beautiful thing. Long live the Mclaren F1s

  • @samiaalt
    @samiaalt 13 лет назад +3

    This is rare stuff indeed! Thank you very much to spend some time to get this right with this superb quality!
    Fantastic to see the 1997 Helsinki winner car is doing well!

  • @patgal2
    @patgal2 11 лет назад +14

    I was @ Mosport for Can-Am practice and the race on June 10, 1973 when 917-30 first appeared and was @ the 1972 race when the 917-10 first raced. Both cars were stunning but, as along time F1, prototype road racing fan, I have to say the 917-30 either stopped or moving was a thing of pure beauty, especially when driven by Donahue. It had the pole @ Mosport in 1973 in 1' 14.1". Ronnie Peterson took the Cdn. GP F1 pole @ Mosport in Sept. in 1' 13.697" driving the famous JPS Lotus 72. Peterson was the fastest driver I've ever seen then or since. So lets concede those 2 cars were about the same. Very, very fast. Imagine how disappointed my nostalgia enfused brain was when I discovered the lap record @ Mosport now is 1' 04.094 " in an Audi R10 TDI set in 2008 by Rinaldo Capello. Grrr. Progress.

    • @LB1973
      @LB1973 6 лет назад +1

      mosport was widened in 2003 and is hence shorter, the 962 was doing 1m09s but yeah progress

    • @arfshesaid4325
      @arfshesaid4325 4 года назад

      @@LB1973 that beautiful corner 2 now looks like a parking lot

  • @CannibalSoggoth
    @CannibalSoggoth 7 лет назад +58

    The F1 GTR won it, but it certainly seemed to have its fair amount of trouble doing so.
    few times in history you could see the fastest production roadcar (power choked by the racing regulations of its time) racing against the unruled CanAm monsters!
    also worth noting, that the F1 GTR would probably not exist were if not by CanAm, where Bruce McLaren became a fucking legend on the tracks.

    • @hankdieselify
      @hankdieselify 4 года назад +5

      It’s not like they were 100% racing though, you could tell they were holding back quite a bit because of the value of said cars.

    • @gilesleggett
      @gilesleggett 4 года назад

      @@hankdieselify yeah Ralph was going backwards

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 3 года назад

      @@hankdieselify The F1 GT is worth more than the others.

    • @hankdieselify
      @hankdieselify 3 года назад

      @@thethirdman225 and the gt f1 is worth more than that!

  • @HandsomeAlex25
    @HandsomeAlex25 9 лет назад +17

    Bloody brilliant on-board footage here, gents. Fantastic driving!

  • @lkyksb3
    @lkyksb3 9 лет назад +44

    Ralf Kelleners was competing against this car in his Porsche 911 GT1 back in the FIA GT Championship. Kind of funny to see him driving in it.

    • @VirusTornado
      @VirusTornado 8 лет назад +5

      Wow that's actually really cool.

    • @MrEurocup
      @MrEurocup 7 лет назад +1

      drivingkato Kelleners is a BMW tuner. Really Crazy that he drove against BMW in the end 90'.

    • @shaadydog1
      @shaadydog1 5 лет назад

      Honestly driver are drivers and seemingly if you are competent people want you to drive their car for what ever reason, from Historics to testing....

  • @deborahchesser7375
    @deborahchesser7375 5 лет назад +10

    Cars 20 yrs older still just as fast I love it

    • @patpeterson2671
      @patpeterson2671 3 года назад

      Much faster ..... 1000-1500 hp in Can-Am race cars ....

  • @aldean2984
    @aldean2984 7 лет назад +16

    Wow, the Bmw S70/3 engine in the McLaren Longtail (1997) sounds a lot better than the Bmw S70/2 engine that's in the McLaren Short Tail (1995-1996).
    While the S70/2 produces mostly howl, but the S70/3 (Longtail) has that much desired Roar and Growl in the rpm range (mostly heard from on-board, as it simply screams more from outside)
    I really love the on-board footage for sounds.... Just, I think about the most satisfying Scream/Roar of any GT car ever made. (Yes, I know the Can Am's sounds are very Deep Rumbling, Throaty LAZY V8 style, ... but I like the cleaner Scream of the BMW V12 of the 1990's...). Thanks for the video!

    • @aldean2984
      @aldean2984 7 лет назад +4

      Forgot to mention that I am a big fan of the Manual Sequential gearbox too (But I dislike the modern Paddle Shift - aka fully automatic DSG DCT sequential). Don't think the Manual Sequential will grow out of taste for me :) Dog Gears/ Dog Clutch forever!

    • @aldean2984
      @aldean2984 7 лет назад +1

      Who agrees / disagrees : Do you like the S70/3 engine sound or the S70/2 engine sound? (ps, they're slightly different sounding)

    • @hertzwave8001
      @hertzwave8001 7 лет назад

      S70/3 but i like the XJR9's V12 better than all other group c cars

    • @weesky2000
      @weesky2000 7 лет назад

      The same engine as BMW V12 LMR?

    • @aidenp5768
      @aidenp5768 6 лет назад

      aldean29
      BMW M8 Prototype
      BMW X5 LM 1999
      BMW V12 LMR Race car
      Mclaren F1
      Mclaren F1 GT
      All share the same engine except the F1 GT having a different setup in the engine slightly. But they all share the same concept.. V12 engineered by BMW Motorsport. Engines similar is the engine found in the 850CSi which is similar but it's like distant cousin to the S70/2-3. The S58 (E36 M3) has more in common even though it's a Straight 6 engine but BMW engineers were also inventing in the 90s for example BMW had many projects they even made a V16 7 series BMW but the S70/2 was one of the projects that could turn out good so they smashed the B58 together and created the birth of the S70/2-3 V12. And before the Mclaren F1 BMW already had the S70/2 made before Mclaren even demanded for a engine. That engine turned out to be going into the M8 but Mclaren demanded a engine wile testing and BMW stoped the prototype of the M8 as they thought the Mclaren F1 would be better to put the engine. So the M8 had a 550HP engine S70/2 engine. So what BMW did was add more power to satisfy Mclaren even though 550HP was actually what Mclaren wanted in the first place. But BMW decided to bump more power. A fault of the engine was cooling, so much power from N/A engine BMW needed to make a solution which was gold plates. So the Mclaren got the engine and in 1995 the BMW M8 prototypes were recycled (20) of them and only one left now. The engine was so good at racing though they decided to extend the range by putting the engine in race cars that ended up in the S70/3 Mclaren F1 GT and the BMW V12 LMR. They also had a few concepts and project cars after and one of them were the X5 in 1999 that had a s70/2 in it with 550HP

  • @bobkin611
    @bobkin611 8 лет назад +118

    This is pure ear porn. I love it.

  • @chuckyboy6977
    @chuckyboy6977 Год назад +3

    This must have sounded amazing from trackside, the big banger V8’s and the F1 Almighty V12 howling down the straights. There’s nothing better that hearing & seeing different category of cars with different configuration of engines racing together.

  • @JonesBerg76
    @JonesBerg76 13 лет назад

    Unglaubliches hammer Feld!! ich glaube jeder der hier ein Rennwagen fahren darf war nervöser als ein Formel 1 Fahrer beim Start. Danke für die super Bilder!!

  • @23294virgo
    @23294virgo 10 лет назад +14

    @9:15... nice catch.
    "Just how much is this F1 GTR worth again?"
    Well, it just sold last month for $5.28 million..
    This past year, CanAm Porsche 917/30 & 917/10 sold for $4.4 & $5.5 respectively.
    Amazing to see all of these rolling museums climbing Eau Rogue..
    Great vid!

    • @christianponicki9581
      @christianponicki9581 9 лет назад +3

      Lifeson Fan 917/30 sold for $4.40!? I'll take it!

    • @hertzwave8001
      @hertzwave8001 8 лет назад

      4.40 x 10^7

    • @explosivehotdogs
      @explosivehotdogs 2 года назад

      Technically this one is an F1 GT due to the long tail.

    • @mysteriouspartyguy
      @mysteriouspartyguy 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@explosivehotdogsActually, it's a 97 F1 GTR. The GT was the road car used for homologation to enter the 97 F1 GTR into the FIA GT Championship

    • @explosivehotdogs
      @explosivehotdogs 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@mysteriouspartyguy good call - I probably should've known this : )

  • @bloqk16
    @bloqk16 3 года назад +6

    When comparing videos of vintage racing in the US versus what I've seen in Europe, I get the impression the European versions seems to take it as racing competition as opposed to the US versions which are more like circuit parades.
    The video footage here looks like an FIA championship sanctioned race with vehicles that could be considered museum valued pieces. It's remarkable to see and such a treat, as motorsports fans like myself that dates back to the original Can-Am series, or the European Interserie championship series, this is great!

  • @turbotee231
    @turbotee231 10 лет назад +14

    If I remember right, Can-Am had 2 rules. The car had to have 2 seats and the body had to cover the wheels. They later legislated out the suspension mounted rear wings and the Chaparral's snow blower powered vacuum assist.
    The sound of the big block Chevy cars, with an estimated 750-800 HP, would send a shiver right up your spine and make you hair stand up. It was the greatest mind-nlowing sound ever.... you had to be there. We went to almost all of the Can-Am races at Riverside. Go to the vintage races and check it out.

    • @joem1256
      @joem1256 9 лет назад +7

      turbo buick Those V8's were monsters. Porsche beat them by taking the 5 liter 917 engine, blowing it out to 5.5 liters and strapping a couple of big ass truck turbochargers on it. I remember reading that the engine stressed that car so much that they actually had to pump the tube frame full of pressurized nitrogen and put sensors on it so the driver could tell if it cracked during the race.

    • @kfsgowap
      @kfsgowap 9 лет назад +8

      +Joe M True story for the frame. There was a manometer in the cockpit for the driver to check its integrity.

    • @ninoschier9528
      @ninoschier9528 9 лет назад

      No they also had the rule no turbine! :)

    • @jamesaron1967
      @jamesaron1967 4 года назад

      *turbo buick* - I know the story behind banning the Chaparral's vacuum assist but why were the suspension-mounted wings banned? Also, agree about the big block sound. Never heard these cars in person but hearing them in videos gives me shivers. Absolutely nothing before or since sounded like that, unreal.

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 4 года назад

      @@joem1256 That was true of all Porsche spaceframes in the late 60s and early 70s.

  • @chrismoody1342
    @chrismoody1342 5 лет назад +3

    Way back when, I watched a Chevy BB powered Lola run the circuit. That car was an absolute beast as it poured on the hp. It was an 1 hour race and it lapped the field probably 4-5 laps.

  • @barath4545
    @barath4545 12 лет назад +5

    It says in German that he beat the fastest M8F by 16 seconds after 14 laps. Thats the aero and handling winning over a 200-300 hp advantage. The 917-30 wasn't there though, now that would have been fun to watch, though that was a German flat 12.

  • @philking7805
    @philking7805 6 лет назад +8

    Kelleners is a top, top driver - but how scary are those M8's!

  • @AlexBell13
    @AlexBell13 12 лет назад +1

    What a smashing video! And remember how the Porsche 917/30 drove rings around the Mclaren, imagine how fast THAT was! :-)

  • @ScottHillsmusclecargarage
    @ScottHillsmusclecargarage 9 лет назад +7

    Thank you that was exhilarating. I must say, that I am envious of the driver.

  • @Draco_Alpha
    @Draco_Alpha 4 года назад +1

    It’s crazy how at home the McLaren F1GTR looks with the Can-Am cars... It’s keeping up no problem too! Mad respect. ✊

  • @kellyhanson4134
    @kellyhanson4134 8 лет назад +27

    Italians make pretty things but I will say a German V-12 in the car that changed everything....Porsche, you are my King, I love you. But McLaren is my Lord forever

    • @ThePerpetualStudent
      @ThePerpetualStudent 6 лет назад +1

      Ahahahaha! Bravo!

    • @kierenboimufc5940
      @kierenboimufc5940 6 лет назад

      Aston Martin v12 ?

    • @kierenboimufc5940
      @kierenboimufc5940 6 лет назад

      Jaguar v12

    • @michaelspraggins5419
      @michaelspraggins5419 6 лет назад +3

      @@kierenboimufc5940 It wasn't a V12 that changed everything you are referencing....it was a flat 12. But as little as it is spoken..the Ferrari 512M could give the 917 a run for its money. The Ferrari won the 1970 Sebring race and one one other non-points in 1970. Porsche threw a lot more money into its 917 effort. Ferrari did not, however, the Ferrari proved just as fast as the 917, but reliability was the torn in its side.....if only Ferrari really developed the 512...history may have been a little different.

    • @kierenboimufc5940
      @kierenboimufc5940 6 лет назад

      Michael Spraggins would the jaguar xjr 13 have raced the 917 etc or different year

  • @wermach123
    @wermach123 12 лет назад +2

    Wow! I love the McLaren alot, but love those CanAm cars even more!! Thats the great stuff you get when you don't over regulate a racing series, cars that 40 years later are still brutally fast and can keep up with and even beat much more modern equipment. I wish there was a unrestricted series like that now! Imagine the cars that would come from that!

    • @hotdog9262
      @hotdog9262 Год назад

      it worked when everyone more or less had the same tech. when porsche arrived with with its turbo flat v12 it was games`up for the rest

    • @IlianNachev
      @IlianNachev 11 месяцев назад

      I think everyone in the comments section forgets that McLaren F1 was made to be a road car and not a racer… It just happens so that it is so good at racing that it can compete with the cars that were built specifically for racing with no regulations in mind!

  • @jellofuel
    @jellofuel 6 лет назад +6

    That McLaren sounds amazing! Love how it keeps up with these rocket ships lol

  • @thethirdman225
    @thethirdman225 4 года назад +2

    It all looks pretty ordinary until 9:15 when Kelleners really decides it’s time to drive it. Clearly annoyed at being constantly held up by blocking and being unable to use much better agility, the Group C car that passes him near the pit entrance is the last straw. For all that’s said about how fast the Can Ams are in a straight line, once he gets the bit between his teeth, he has little trouble catching up to the black one and despite repeated blocking, foxes the other driver into a mistake. By the time he gets out of La Source, the M8 is already making good progress towards Eau Rouge but Kelleners is actually with him again by the time they get to the end of the Kemmel straight.

  • @The8MileHustler
    @The8MileHustler 12 лет назад +2

    I cant get over how amazing that BMW engine sounds! Orgasmic.

  • @ZuhlJin
    @ZuhlJin 11 лет назад +1

    The info says Kellners (F1 GTR) won the race after 14 laps with a lead of 16 seconds, second was Peter Hoffman in a McLaren M8F whos fastest lap was just 1,3 seconds slower.

  • @motorsportvideo
    @motorsportvideo  12 лет назад +1

    Peter Hoffman is the Driver of this Mc Laren. He is driving this car in this color since 1976.

  • @Hermann_58
    @Hermann_58 Год назад

    Die CanAm, bzw. Interserie war mit das Beste was der Rennsport je hervorgebracht hat. Ich habe diese Ära Gott sei Dank noch live auf der NOS erleben dürfen.....

  • @stoneeh
    @stoneeh 6 лет назад +5

    Even the pink one is more masculine than today's F1 cars ;)

  • @Buzz65
    @Buzz65 10 лет назад +3

    Incredible video. Thanks for sharing.

  • @chrisgersman4639
    @chrisgersman4639 6 лет назад +1

    Great performance from both the car and the driver.
    It's very interesting to see well the old Can Am cars compete with modern tech.

  • @ixxxq
    @ixxxq 7 лет назад +1

    freakin awesome video,i would like more.same video with CLK-GTR :)
    BTW what is those cars? which series they were competing?

  • @stevefowler2112
    @stevefowler2112 6 лет назад +14

    No 917/30 Can Am car I see...that would have got the F1 GTR's attention....1,500 H.P. of flat Twin Turbo 12 cylinder.

    • @shaadydog1
      @shaadydog1 5 лет назад +3

      They dont let them out to play too much seemingly, like the Panoz LMP1 you never see them....

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 4 года назад +1

      Steve Fowler I doubt it would have made any difference. The Can Am cars are such slugs in corners, I’d take a bet the McLaren would have had any more trouble. He was getting passed because he was being held up.

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 4 года назад

      Larry Kin They never got to 1,500.

    • @justanotherlaid-backdude5297
      @justanotherlaid-backdude5297 4 года назад

      @@thethirdman225 Can-Am are not slugs around corners, 800kg on modern race tyres man. They just don't handle like a Group C or GT1 😁 also that Porsche Can-Am might of been quicker than a GT1 car, depending on the track obviously.

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 4 года назад

      @@justanotherlaid-backdude5297 Well, man, I was speaking in comparative terms. That's what this is: a comparison. Man. The McLaren F1 GTR weighs in at more than 1,100 kg and produces about 150 hp less. It also has a much stiffer chassis and more advance suspension design, along with much better brakes. If the Can Am McLaren can't beat it at a track like Spa, there probably aren't many tracks where it could. That's not a criticism of the Can Am car but there is 20 years of developments between them.

  • @fleetc
    @fleetc 8 лет назад +8

    9:02 driver in the blue car disrespects the maclaren, then maclaren show him its true power.

    • @klr650ryder
      @klr650ryder 8 лет назад +6

      How did he disrespect him? He simply took the racing line.

    • @rageagainstthehygiene2357
      @rageagainstthehygiene2357 4 года назад +2

      Thats a Cougar C26 S, from the end of the turbo Group C era. Its kind of amazing that the mclaren can keep up easily to that thing. It is an absolute monster.

    • @justanotherlaid-backdude5297
      @justanotherlaid-backdude5297 4 года назад

      @@rageagainstthehygiene2357 those Can-Am cars where monstrous, might of been the only decade where a race car was quicker than the F1 cars

    • @rageagainstthehygiene2357
      @rageagainstthehygiene2357 4 года назад

      @@justanotherlaid-backdude5297 Around 1991 the frontrunning sportscars like Jag 14 were coming out of rules changes that left them with then-current F1 engines, weighing 750kg and with diffuser-extractor wings, and far more efficient aero than any F1 car before or since. Would've given the day's F1 cars a serious challenge on any circuit.

  • @jblack5323
    @jblack5323 6 лет назад +2

    I'm surprised at the colossal pace of the CanAm cars, especially from 120mph onwards, as on paper they didn't run much more power than this f1 and ran through a 4 speed manual. Superb! Shame we couldn't see it dice with the Porsche 917.

    • @philking7805
      @philking7805 6 лет назад

      Agreed, the /30 would have killed it

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 4 года назад

      @@philking7805 The GTR would be faster over the lap than either of them.

  • @deggis4
    @deggis4 11 лет назад +1

    Maybe you should look it up?
    Watkins Glen 1973
    F1: 1:39.657 Ronnie Peterson, Lotus
    CA: 1:38.848 Mark Donohue, Porsche 917/30
    Mosport 1973
    F1: 1:13.697 Ronnie Peterson, Lotus
    CA: 1:14.100 Mark Donohue, Porsche 917/30

  • @blazing64099
    @blazing64099 12 лет назад

    Is the oval shaped thing in between the 4 exhaust pipes at 1:40 also an exhaust outlet? Because it sure looks like one!

  • @ninjagarage2
    @ninjagarage2 10 лет назад +3

    Mark Allayban: Shifting early is called: "short shifting". It's quite often quicker around a race track when the driver short shifts as apposed to letting the engine rev out un-necessarily. (depending on track/corner/long straight etc). Plus it sounds to me like this particular F1 GTR has quite closely spaced gears. It can also save fuel & protect the engine/gearbox, especially in a long race.

    • @jacksonp.928
      @jacksonp.928 10 лет назад

      It's rarely quicker actually, and especially with this car, which gets max power very close to the redline.
      The main purpose is as you said, to save the engine and transmission.

    • @christianponicki9581
      @christianponicki9581 9 лет назад

      Jackson P. I thought it was also commonly used to buy some extra grip coming out of a corner, especially on high powered cars?

    • @jacksonp.928
      @jacksonp.928 9 лет назад

      Yes that's definitely correct, but in the GTR, simple modulation of throttle is probably more useful than short shifting (the gear changes are very aggressive and might make the car unstable if done at the wrong time)

    • @christianponicki9581
      @christianponicki9581 9 лет назад +1

      Jackson P.
      The car seems pretty unstable already; the driver seems to be counter-steering a lot in corners and he doesn't even seem to be driving at 100%.

    • @jacksonp.928
      @jacksonp.928 9 лет назад

      Yeah, green(ish) track, probably old tires, and 680 NM of torque will make for an interesting ride

  • @RorysIrishTour
    @RorysIrishTour 8 лет назад +15

    The F1 is such a beauty. Technic and aesthetic.

    • @klr650ryder
      @klr650ryder 8 лет назад

      F1 is no longer a race series. It is Bernies money machine that puts parades on around the world.

    • @RorysIrishTour
      @RorysIrishTour 8 лет назад +5

      I mean McLarens F1 :D Not Bernies

  • @newnobee
    @newnobee 13 лет назад

    @theralfkelleners Ich persönlich finde es mehr als nur "klasse" das sich der Fahrer "himself" zu Wort meldet und uns Eindrücke aus dem Cockpit mitteilt. Und gleichfalls eindrucksvoll finde ich, pardon wenn ich das so offen sage, das die "Jungs" während der ersten Runden sicherlich mit dem gleichen Problem zu kämpfen hatten, nämlich mangelndem Grip... und dennoch einer Technologie die gut ein viertel Jahrhundert intensivster Entwicklung mehr zu bieten hat ABSOLUT Paroli bieten konnten!

  • @MPZRACEVIDEO
    @MPZRACEVIDEO 13 лет назад +1

    Hammer genial - die Sounds kommen super!!!

  • @Yokonuzawwf
    @Yokonuzawwf 10 лет назад +1

    So, Kelleners won at least after 16 laps distance?

  • @barath4545
    @barath4545 12 лет назад

    Fair enough. So with 6piston Carbon 300+ mm ABS F+R and a 7speed racebox, the CanAms would be a match for anything today? Would be fun to have tested against a R15/R18 on LM/Sebring fx.

  • @512Berlinetta
    @512Berlinetta 6 лет назад +1

    Daaaamn, I LOVE those McLarens!

  • @jeremym6394
    @jeremym6394 11 лет назад

    this may seem like a stupid question but I've never used a dog box before. Do you still have to clutch when you shift? Or when you take off in first?

  • @klr650ryder
    @klr650ryder 9 лет назад +1

    Interesting that the CanAm cars with ancient technology still dominate on the track. Best racing series, ever!!

  • @davidlee7843
    @davidlee7843 11 лет назад

    Originally McLaren were running ZL-1 and their derivatives before switching to Reynolds "390" blocks. All were aluminium, the 572 is just a tall deck cast iron block. From memory Mclaren started out at 465" and got up to 565" to keep up with the opposition but I think had reliability problems above 509"

  • @armorgeddon
    @armorgeddon 12 лет назад

    Hi Ralf, wie kam es zu der "Verpflichtung" für das Rennen? Oder gehört das Auto zu Deinem Fuhrpark? ;-)
    Wenn Du weißt, wo und wann man den F1 GTR mal wieder in Aktion sehen kann laß es uns bitte wissen!

  • @MsLilyhorse
    @MsLilyhorse 12 лет назад

    Yes, it does. I don't think they have ever really been matched for awesome power, sound and pure adrenalin rush. I am old enough to remember watching some races on network TV.

  • @edotedy
    @edotedy 12 лет назад

    Listening to this while making homework. Best study music!

  • @deggis4
    @deggis4 11 лет назад

    Both F1 and Can-Am raced on Mosport and Watkins Glen; there are lap times available (I just posted some in my other comment here, see it). They're almost equal in lap times, slightly depending on the track and year.

  • @superfast30
    @superfast30 12 лет назад +1

    Amazing to see a F1 GTR running with CAN-AM cars.

  • @xyzzyx4598
    @xyzzyx4598 4 года назад +2

    not even tires squealing...imagine he had used the full track capabilities of that car

  • @timekeeper6968
    @timekeeper6968 5 лет назад +1

    The purple M8 of Peter Hoffmann is the same car that that Helmut Kelleners (Ralfs father) drove in the 1970s Interserie, then painted in the blue "Weissberg Tools" livery.

  • @motorsportvideo
    @motorsportvideo  13 лет назад

    @ballance1991
    inboard: Drift Innovation HD170 stealth
    outside: canon xh-a1

  • @OhHeyThereGuy
    @OhHeyThereGuy 12 лет назад

    Although, I would have to contend that I like the 5.0L Flat-12 out of the Porsche 917 more. That thing has an amazing howl to it with the combination of high reving engine and noise from the cooling fan ontop.

  • @ListlessSpectre
    @ListlessSpectre 11 лет назад

    That purple Can Am is a monster! Barney the Incredible Hulk or what?..XD The last lap it took before going in-car with the F1 sounded like a plane idling overhead. What kind of engine does it run?

  • @jonasschiefer626
    @jonasschiefer626 4 года назад

    Is the gtr raod converted? Looks like it is because of the seat in the middle

  • @DasNothing
    @DasNothing 12 лет назад

    Doesn't the Mclaren F1 GTR use a S70/3 engine based on the S70/2 used in the standard road version of the Mclaren F1?

  • @StreetKingEvolution
    @StreetKingEvolution 12 лет назад +2

    Love that v12! M power at its finest!

  • @Timster480
    @Timster480 9 лет назад +4

    11:30
    Oh look it's me every time I play a sim and someone gets close behind me.

  • @josephwiemert6290
    @josephwiemert6290 8 лет назад +1

    that transmission has to take a beating every time you put it in gear if you can hear I'm getting right back into the peak torque God the lateral G-Force in every gear and must have been astounding that car and its surrounding components is amazing in every form stock car racing

  • @MrErickNilson
    @MrErickNilson 9 лет назад +1

    Fantastic car! Brazilians know this car from the game Gran Turismo 4.
    I love to BMW cars. This car won Le Mans in 1995, starting the race in seventh place.

    • @sd70m2man
      @sd70m2man 9 лет назад

      This is a 1997 f1 gtr longtail the longtail has as the name suggests a longer rear end compared to the 96 gtr and the longtail is sequential rather than h-pattern as in the short tail.

    • @i.a.1475
      @i.a.1475 8 лет назад +1

      Nelson Piquet drove a similar can in Le Mans 1997

    • @armorgeddon
      @armorgeddon 5 лет назад

      The McLaren even won the Mil Milhas Brasileiras in 1997. One of the winning drivers was Nelson Piquet.

  • @Blankusername6000
    @Blankusername6000 7 лет назад

    How are collisions handled in races like these?

  • @1erickf50
    @1erickf50 5 лет назад

    Wow, that gear shift was quick AF. No wonder it made miracles against the Porsche 911 GT1 and the Mercedes CLK GTR :D

  • @gweflj
    @gweflj 6 лет назад +17

    Love how at first, Ralph is all over the mirrors under braking, no doubt thinking about the more or less priceless car he's driving. Then at Lap 3 he's clearly had enough and he all over that black Can Am in 1/4 of a lap.

    • @jasonengland2357
      @jasonengland2357 5 лет назад +4

      cold tires early on, you can see him fighting the wheel in the corners on lap 1

    • @mikestevens5512
      @mikestevens5512 Год назад +1

      Remember he has carbon fiber brakes. If the Can Am Cars had them game over

  • @lkyksb3
    @lkyksb3 12 лет назад +2

    I think this car ended up winning right?

  • @robinstolk2116
    @robinstolk2116 4 года назад +1

    still one of the best sounding cars ever "2020"

  • @bb57365
    @bb57365 Год назад

    Nothing like seeing a driver actually shift the beast. Pure connection. The f1 paddles are stealing the soul from these great cars. In spite of their huge technical advancement. Newer is not always better. From an R8 manual v10 driver.

  • @BossaNossa1
    @BossaNossa1 9 лет назад

    What car is that behind the F1 @ 3:08..?

  • @kennygrant5531
    @kennygrant5531 4 года назад

    That sound at 1:38 is pure art and something my sons will probably never experience - how sad

  • @flipakine
    @flipakine 8 лет назад

    clearly from different era's but way cool to see them on track together and actually be able to tell the differences in their strengths. those can-ams are brutal in a straight line and coming out of corners but the brakes and cornering ability of this Mclaren were unmatched. and it held its own down kemmel I think! man I love the GTR!

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 4 года назад

      I'd estimate that there was no difference in the two cars from La Source to Les Combes. I reckon the GTR would be at least as fast through that section as the M8.

    • @flipakine
      @flipakine 4 года назад

      @@thethirdman225 I'm fairly certain the GTR would have a much better run out of raidillion. than the m8. the aero and suspension advantage the GTR has would allow much more throttle through the Eau Rouge Raidillion complex. but the brute strength of the old can-ams would probably make up for it down Kimmel. I don't think I'd be against your statement. lol

  • @carledward3019
    @carledward3019 11 лет назад +12

    A big wing and a fuel injected big block chevrolet engine, priceless. The F1 has technology, those McLarens have a SOUL.

  • @ColDuSack
    @ColDuSack 12 лет назад

    freaky gearstick, brutal sound, me like! When can you deliver?

  • @StreetKingEvolution
    @StreetKingEvolution 12 лет назад

    I also love how it keeps up with the big boys

  • @kurtwylde2256
    @kurtwylde2256 2 года назад +3

    03:51

  • @Bruhop60
    @Bruhop60 5 лет назад

    It just amazes me how the drivers of yesteryear had much more skills. As I'm watching Ralf, I realize, he doesn't have to know how to work a clutch, upshift with the use of two feet (Clutch and gas pedal), he doesn't have to rev match on a downshift (heel and toe) and yet those CAN AM cars are doing all that with 40 year old technology at the same speed. It really makes you appreciate what the drivers from the past could do. I think technology has lessen the skills needed to really drive fast.

    • @armorgeddon
      @armorgeddon 5 лет назад +2

      This is just a sequential gearbox, not a semi-auto and as you can see he is using the clutch and heel-n-toe on downshifts.
      Yes, the Can-Am cars are amazing but what is also amazing that a modern racecar derived from a road-car can keep up with cars from the 70s which represented the absolute max engineers could create because the rules in Can-Am were pretty much fully open.

  • @vincentkhazi2673
    @vincentkhazi2673 9 лет назад +19

    that metalic rasp is so reminiscent of the M3 E46.

    • @kyleweir1590
      @kyleweir1590 9 лет назад +2

      Yeah, I totally agree. The McLaren F1 engine was built by BMW ///M , so you can see why.

    • @jaggafeen
      @jaggafeen 9 лет назад +1

      +Vincent Khazi the s50b32 from e36 m3 evo with eisenmann race exhaust, 284 schricks, mac motoren carbon airbox, low ratio diff sounds more likethe mclaren f1 in fact the mclaren f1 is 2 s50 engines joined to make a v12. i have one .....the e36 with the same mods over 300bhp at the wheels.

    • @josephwiemert6290
      @josephwiemert6290 8 лет назад

      x2 in 60 degree fashion.

    • @aldean2984
      @aldean2984 7 лет назад

      Yeah! I really do think that the S70 BMW engine does sound like the engine in E46 BMW M3! I just found out that too!

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 4 года назад

      jaggafeen What?

  • @nicomeier8098
    @nicomeier8098 7 лет назад +1

    O the sound....the sweet, sweet sound.......

  • @32adin
    @32adin 6 лет назад +1

    this onboard is so amazing

  • @mikestevens5512
    @mikestevens5512 3 года назад +1

    Amazing to see Can Am cars pull away hard
    From F1 GTR under acceleration!! These cars have more HP and are a good bit
    Lighter, but are also 25 to 30 years older

  • @ProfessorIgor
    @ProfessorIgor 12 лет назад

    does this put in to perspective just how amazing Can-Am cars were though ??? these are nearly 40 year old cars !!!!

  • @Post.nut_Clarity
    @Post.nut_Clarity Год назад

    i don't think i've ever seen a door closed ever-so-gingerly before 1:06
    also and anyone tell me what the noise accompanying that blip of light on the dash was at 9:55 ?

  • @johncorboy7952
    @johncorboy7952 6 лет назад

    Love those thundering old Mclarens can am cars

  • @YourUncleScroatie
    @YourUncleScroatie 11 лет назад

    Thanks to you, the sun just set on the British Empire!

  • @diavolorosso69
    @diavolorosso69 12 лет назад

    Awesome- thank you so much for posting this!! :)

  • @JInnn24
    @JInnn24 12 лет назад

    very interesting mix of different race cars from different decades :)

  • @raymondbanks4103
    @raymondbanks4103 10 лет назад

    Technology is nice and hard to beat but the sound and look of the Can Am's is unbeatable. 500+CID and 1000hp at full song is goose bump land!

  • @heyhags5583
    @heyhags5583 8 месяцев назад

    I just dont know what to say. Thank you sir, may I have another??

  • @MrYoshicat
    @MrYoshicat 12 лет назад

    oh yeah ! love seeing that old McLaren big banger (with it's 40 year old ! , 2 valve, push rod ) , pull away from the modern supercomputer car , bring back the old days !

  • @emuloVretsaM
    @emuloVretsaM 8 лет назад +1

    What car is the pink one, it sounds sounds far the best...

    • @tbuts5859
      @tbuts5859 8 лет назад +5

      That is a McLaren M8D, they ran with huge Chevy V8s back in the day.

    • @emuloVretsaM
      @emuloVretsaM 8 лет назад

      thx

    • @hertzwave8001
      @hertzwave8001 7 лет назад

      danm LB car on Forza...