Ultimate VGA Capture Setup for the Office at My New Vintage PC Desk
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- I'm finally getting to the wiring up the office and also getting a corner set up for vintage computers. All with the craziest setup for VGA capture I've heard of that will make it a breeze!
Chapter Index:
0:00 Intro
1:50 Running Cable
13:02 VGA Capture Crash Course
17:18 VGA Switching
19:27 Networked VGA
21:29 Remote Captured VGA
24:08 Finishing Wiring
26:47 Building Networked Switcher
31:51 Getting "The Desk" in the Office
35:02 Introducing "The Desk"
39:42 Going Over the Final Setup
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I'm an IT administrator at a hospital in a 35 year old building. Running cables is part of my job. I WISH I had it as easy as you did in this video! Great work, can't wait to see what you do next!
Same for me but new buildings. That inserting tool was the main vital thing.
A trick used by bicycle builders to run wiring through the frame is to take a piece of strong sewing thread, feed it up one end and fix it in place, and retrieve it from the other end with a vacuum cleaner. Then you can tie a more substantial string or a cable to that, to bring that through. Just something to add to the bag of tricks if you ever need to run wires through weirdly shaped tunnels.
The Vsync delay box sounds like an AWESOME thing to make a whole dedicated video about!
Those StarTech VGA extenders are used all over my company to send security footage to monitors.
As someone who has done professional AV for over 20 years now, it's actually nice to see some of this older equipment types ending up in hands like yours where it's useful. Those VGA over network cable extenders were something I made extensive use of. Cat 5e is cheap, and when you've got projectors flying in the air on truss it's a convenient way to get signal from the ground up to them. I've had cat 5E runs up to max length (100 meters) in the convention center catwalks in Seattle. These days we're mostly using SDI or fiber, though we do sometimes use HDMI over cat 5E/6a; HDBaseT being standardized now.
With as much equipment as you've got there, I do not envy you doing the cable management! I highly recommend an old AV trick of concealment with duvetyne, black foam core, etc. 🤪. So long as you manage each wire's individual excess onto itself with velcro wire ties, it'll be fine thrown on the big cable pile with some cloth on it...
My people! Can’t count the number of calls I’ve made to the food as beverage dept requesting a black table cloth to hide the cable chaos. I gotta say I don’t miss the horrific smear that some LCD panels gave on the far end of a long CAT5-VGA run🤢
But totally agree, this old gear is such a godsend for retro computing setups. I’m tech at a university and about 20 rooms worth of lovely old long-decommed Extron gear is about to be disposed of with crew getting first dibs. I’m like a kid in a candy store. My home rack will soon be an AMX controlled battlestation. So many Crosspoints👌
I don't know why but I'm excited to see this nest of stuff be fully organized.
I like your dedication to near perfection instead of just good enough.
So I wouldn't classify these things as a "network" VGA transmitter. Like you mentioned, they're just sending an analogue signal over a four twisted pair ethernet cable. You're not running this through a network switch or router, that's for sure.
Not with that attitude :p
Long distance VGA signal routing over Ethernet using a bunch of rack mounted equipment? And I thought my Scart switch connected to an HDMI upscaler was fancy…
Not sure why you did each cable separately. Use the rod once and feed a 1/4" nylon rope through, then attach all the cables to the rope and pull then through. That's how I've always done it.
The appreciation he has for vintage tech, especially for maintaining consistency and not looking for the 'easiest' option each time only yields greater respect for his skills. Your channel is superb!
I'm not sure I understand why the capture gear needs to be so far away from the actual computers, hence requiring all this setup. But yes, it's a really cool setup.
I'm continuously impressed by how much work you get done by yourself.
That VGA crosspatch setup and the VGA over twisted pair transceiver set up is AMAZING! I've actually considered getting some of those transceivers as a possible means to have my main computer be able to be displayed in my workshop, and possibly vise versa... Only problem is I don't have hardly any monitors with equivalent resolutions... Ugh... it'd be a nightmare to figure out... I also run quad monitors on my main rig. I'd probably just have to pick one or two main monitors to transmit.
there's actually an Extron VGA over CAT5 system, too, including matrixes that have the conversion circuitry onboard, and their own 8P8C jacks, which really, really cuts down on the cabling, and is also much more reliable. worth keeping an eye out for one of those on fleabay, especially since a lot of those are getting ripped out right about now.
Hell yeah Extron MTP matrixes 👍 The endpoint boxes that do RGB, component, s-video and composite are very cool for retro.
Love the desk reminds me of the one we had back in 95 in our computer room .
i actually ran VGA over RJ45 for a while, using a passive adapter
this means it cant ever see a switch as it would mess up, but it was nice to have a quick and easy VGA cable solution in a server space where RJ45 cables of any lengh are abundant
I'm a A/V Integrator by trade and what you have here is a pretty nice setup. We call those VGA adapters VGA-over-IP boxes. Cool thing is you can do HDMI over IP, USB Over IP and so on. Some you can even toss onto a Network and tell the receiver via a WebUI what transmitter to connect to.
Check this out. I have a Dell R410 as a VM Server and I wanted to have a real monitor, keyboard and mouse connected to each VM client. So I bought up a bunch of HP Multiseat clients and tossed in a USB card and did a USB passthrough for each port to each VM client then plugged in the multiseat clients, used a program called easyseats to setup a multiseat session on each VM client. Then plugged them into a KVM. I went as far as to adding a couple of USB over IP boxes to so I can have a VM session in the Livingroom and Master bedroom. Came in handy during the lockdown and the kids needed computers for Zoom class sessions.
Ahh video routing and capture. My favorite!
I recently had to get some of those extenders for a job at work, but instead of VGA it does HDMI and USB. They're great! You only have to power one side of it with a wall adapter and with a 100' network cable run across the shop there was no lag or degradation at all!
I'm happy to see there's a VGA option as well. I'll have to look into those for my own home retro computer usage.
Glad to see things finally coming together
This was insanely informative. I will definitely be looking into some of the devices you mentioned here, thank you very much.
Very cool TT!
I will be doing a Win98 SE build thanks to you!
Hope it goes well!
@@lachietg Thank you! I bought the house i grew up in and want to recreate !
Great stuff as always Shelby, so much VGA goodness! You keep delivering this awesome content just by yourself, it's unbelivable awesome!
This video was incredible! Thank you for putting it together. I really enjoyed it. Your set up is so functional now.
This is super interesting and informative. However I find some of your solutions could be simpler, but others are directly mind blowing. Thank you for your work!
Highly informative and entertaining content. One of my favorite tech RUclipsrs
This setup is looking really sweet!
Really cool stuff, dude!! 👍
I love these kinds of videos, very gratifying seeing these complex setups come together with all the right hardware.
I business I did work at had one of these VGA to Ethernet converters for a ceiling mounted projector, I should have nabbed it when they upgraded to an 85" TV.
cool, spent this morning running cables, and the afternoon watching someone else do it 😀
Prolly late, but like Jeremy I ran cable in a hospital and some things we did:
-We'd tie string onto the rod using a knot I forget the name of, tape it and run it as our carrier. The string will do the pull from the other end later.
-Repeat with the cable, and you can run several at once. You want to stagger them into a sort of cone-like shape so you don't get stuck. This really depends on the runs, and sometimes we'd purposely leave segments in ceilings for REALLY rough ones we can tie onto later (looking at you, hard ceiling).
-I cheated and had a tool that looked a little like a gun, you prep cables on the jack and just squeeze to do all at once (this was great for awkward spots as I've slipped with a punch down...)
-Label label label, especially when running several, and in multiple areas. We'd coil up maybe 2 feet and make 3 markings as some always got scraped off (we'd just do like 1-8, nothing wild).
Likely overkill for you, but useful tricks if you find yourself running a fair bit in the future.
A great video. Thank you. It reminds me of the time when we had to run network cables to the 4 offices in our new office space. The plan was that we would all come in early on Friday morning and be done in time for our boss to buy us drinks at happy hour at the local watering hole. What actually ended up happening was that we had finished 1 office by happy hour and spent the whole weekend finishing the other 3 offices. The best laid plans... :-)
This is just the kind of video I needed! I’ve been trying to use the 2 or 3 dormant 4P4C lines in my house for vintage computer bill modems, and then was recommended to simply neglect them and install 2 lines of Cat 5E. I now I know how that is done! I don’t really know how the lines in my house would be hubbed, though, to allow maximum versatility for telephone, null modem, actual Internet Ethernet, etc.
Keep it up! That really was an awesome video :o I so want I desk like yours now ahahah and the VGA capture set up is epic
magnificent investigation. nice work!
We used these VGA-over-CATx converters extensively when building Avid video editing suites in the early 2000s to tuck away the noisy editing PC, PCI extenders, JBOD and all that stuff in the cooled server room. All the other professional signal stuff like SDI, AES and RS-422 was already designed for longer cable runs. We also had huge matrix switchers for SDI and AES and I'm pretty sure I could still flawlessly route a dozen signals in seconds while completely drunk.
you working so hard you got me out of breath
Thanks!
that desk really is cool :)
Thank you for showing us your rod.
It's just like I've always said: "spare the rod, spoil the conduit."
How are you handling EDID information?
My own experience is that depending on the computer EDID is either required or not allowed at all. Had an S3 card that refused to boot up explorer.exe on Windows 95 unless it received no EDID info at all, but at the same time I've run into a GeForce configuration on 98 that wouldn't do high-refresh rates without proper EDID info.
I recently acquired an Extron 8x4 VGA matrix... It's great :D 8 machine input, four monitor output - 17" 15Khz LCD, 15" 15KHz CRT, 19" 5:4 LCD (via OSSC), 24" 16:9 LCD. Pick and choose!
Even better, I have a USB->Serial to my main desktop and, using Touch Portal (bit like a cheap Stream Deck) with conveniently labelled button for each monitor/machine combination.
Cool! I love that corner desk, i wish i had the kind of space for that but sadly not. I need STORAGE.
What I'm looking for is a device would need a VGA D-Sub HD15 connector and an Ethernet port. You would connect it to any computer with a normal VGA/HD-15 monitor cable. The interface would need to implement the DDC pins 9, 12 & 15 and report itself through as a VESA generic monitor, etc. The PC would think it's just any old standard monitor. However, it would work like an IP-camera, with a web interface and a few RTSP stream profiles, and perhaps also with ONVIF support.
A more advanced version would also have a header to be able to connect to the power-led and power-sw pins on a computer motherboard (opto-isolated input and output) to allow the power to be controlled from the web interface. And an audio capture header to connect to the motherboard's pc-speaker and a headphone jack to get sb-audio out. And PS/2 keyboard and mouse inputs.
Does such a device exist?
About a decade ago, at a church, we had VGA that ran through the floor, and up to a projector, the projector was supposed to be mounted to the ceiling at some point, and that would push the length to about 175'. Well past the 100' maximum for VGA. I was able to pick up a couple of these units, and using a 100' CAT5 cable that I already had. Pulled out the 2 50' VGA cables, and ran the CAT-5. You would have thought we had replaced the projector. Quality at the projector went from Meh to pretty good....
BTW there are HDMI versions of this was well....
Not sure how telegram works, can we do this another way.....
This is so fucking cool.
I do something similar with a advocent dsr2035 KVM that uses cat cables. I just capture the VGA out of the back of the KVM. The bonus is that I can use one central keyboard and mouse if I desire.
Awesome! I have a pretty convoluted VGA capture setup in my office. It involves 5 conputers, 1 belkin KVM, 1 extron VGA amplifier/splitter combo, 1 startech VGA to HDMI converter, a HDMI PCIe capture card, a few CRTs, and about a dozen or so VGA cables....and at the end of the day I have some jail bars from all the different cables and converters :( However it's not too noticeable and it works reliably! Would love to have a setup like yours someday
So as someone that has worked in Video production for the last 15 years I think I would use a Extron VCS-700D to convert the VGA to SDI and then use a normal capture card. I have used these Extrons for years and they work well and support basicly any thing from 640x480 to 1920x1200 you would need to use the RGBHV BNC out on your VGA Router to drive the VCS-700D as it doesn't have a HD-15 for VGA.
Used peripheral extenders (VGA, KB, sounds) over Cat wiring for long time as control rooms very dirty so PC base units held in cleaner computer rooms
That stool right by you at the start of the video somehow looks like it has been badly photoshopped in, even though it clearly hasn't since you interact with it.
I couldn't stop staring at it throughout that whole segment, it's both strange and funny.
hmm, you could look for some military pelican cases that have server/rack mounts. you can probably find some in some auction sites
I'm planning to wire our house with ethernet and may possibly want PoE, do I need to buy specific keystone terminals for that or is that entirely included in the spec? I have not decided on a router/switch yet as we will be switching internet providers and thus getting a new modem anyways, so I'm just planning right now.
Cool! Any idea about the original source for that great mega-desk? Don't care about a "cheap oak" look, just desk acreage.
41 minutes, looks like a bomb has gone off!
I love your regulations over there :-) Over here we need a license to run cabling, and we'd get spanked for laying cable on top of the ceiling framework (and over the power cables) :-)
Biggest. Nerd. Ever. ❤
I love how ethernet cables have become the defacto "make random ports able to be run a long distance reliably" ""standard""
it's just a good cable standard.
Not sure if most people are aware of this but ethernet copper cables (or twisted pair) are not regulated when it comes to stating their cable type (eg cat 5, cat6, cat6e, etc) so what the packaging says may not be true. This is important to know for usage requirement because if a cable is not rated for a specific frequency or it isn't actually shielded then it's not going to work well, if at all.
Before you buy ethernet, especially a long spool of it, it's worth googling the brand to see if there are any reviews about it. I haven't checked in a while but there may be websites that have done testing and listed the findings for multiple brands.
Now that I'm thinking about it, this might be something worth mentioning to LTT for their new lab to test.
I use a Datapath VisionAV card in my system, and I haven't had any weird VGA resolution issues. Maybe their different products have different supported resolutions?
You so have to put a CRT in the corner of that new desk it would look fantastic....
What's the model-name for that Silverstone case? Is it still available to buy?
God I fucking love baluns
Ya know he should do a collab with Linus. i bet these two share common knowledge and can even boost each other
cable runner guard do you mean trunking ?
where does one get a rackmount computer case like that? asking for a friend...
Monopriice is a quick and cheap source for short ethernet cables.
DukeDonuts on Twitch (a retro streamer) basically has the same exact setup! its in his about on his twitch. you two should talk lol
Is that a Creative Inspire P5800 speaker on the XP PC? Also CAT!
32:25 Yoooo I just picked up the same model of Samsung monitor, mine doesn’t have power adapter though so I have no idea if it works lol. I read like they were like $600ish in 2003.
Any way we can have the cabling products you used in the description? Doesn't need to be like links or anything just models
That tool for crimping network connectors.....This is like the most normal tool for me. Done it 100s of times. Don't know why it's so niche that you have to explain it. There are good and bad ones. But it's still tricky.
use a couple high powered magnets maybe
Use GBS-Control solution, is cheap and great, and grab the video on HDMI. I'm use GBS-Control to capture retro consoles using SCART, VGA and Component RGB signal, for old computers is the best and cheap solution for you.
As someone who has both solutions (Datapath E1s and a homemade GBS-Control), I found the E1s to be far more versatile and less of a hassle with oddball resolutions and refresh rates (the E1s has an FPGA that gets reprogramed when you tweak things). Also, with the E1s, you get as close to capturing the raw VGA signal than anything else I've found, giving more versatility with handling footage in post. That being said, the GBS is WAY more handy with games use standard resolutions or switch resolutions constantly.
I fix 480p capture on my datapath e1s using an Extron rgb 130xi.
LOL i'm wearing the same shoes
Is there no VGA capture card that actually works well without the need for some cheap fix?
Why wouldn't you just install a wall plate with the female jacks in the wall. Then you have a clean plate on the wall with multiple labeled jacks to plug your network cables into and it looks clean and is much better for preventing it from getting damage over time.
I can't tell you how many cheap flashlights I've left in ceilings over the years.
This VGA capture setup looks really complicated - why not something like this instead? Tiny pc case with two pcie slots with an SFX psu, the VGA capture card, and a gpu that can encode h.265, then that gets saved out to the network by OBS. It'll be about as big as 4 vhs tapes. Take it to whatever computer you want captured, hook it up via a short VGA patch cord. You'll only ever be capturing one computer at a time. It's light and tiny and you can take it with you in case you need to. Space is at a premium where you are, so having two huge cases seems counter productive. Instead of that huge capture setup you could have two to four vintage computers there. As a bonus, if you don't have a monitor for a specific computer, you could hook up a small LCD to that capture computer and just use OBS preview there.
I understand your skepticism but I think he wants his desk to look „authentic“ and telegenic as if teleported from the past. A capture box would interfere with the look. I mean the setup is not that complicated: The retro computers are in one room where they are being filmed like on a set. The capturing equipment is in the other room connected over a wall outlet. I think that makes kind of sense from a film maker’s stand point.
@@gern0tk not really skepticism, just a different solution
Why didn't you just throw a pull string so you didn't have to mess with the rod every time?
Technically it's more like shouldn't have CDs in an office but they existed in offices trust me.
And I've done up to 75 feet over VGA to a projector on a few occasions so those must be some really bad cables?
vga network transmitter lol guy its just a standard regular good old media converter why are you so mind blown haha
be careful of not bending the rod to much, they can flex up to a point, then start to loosen fiber, and thoses enter in the skin easily and get very annoyingly incomfortable.
Be realistic one doesn't just simply swap out a 22 inch CRT it's like the worst solution is a temporary solution because it works it never gets changed.
Just because something is already modified doesn't mean that it isn't special.
I think its called video over ethernet
Likes the blah blah speed up. When us nerd types think something is boring, it is BORING.
Oh yes.. "VGA Capture" GOD Mode.. 😎 ........ You forgot to transmit it to Australia via satellite..🤓 and then back through the international underwater optics fiber 🤓🤓 😁
Weird you don't use wireless in this times of Wi-Fi and 4G / 5G crap for everything...
shelby I love you and your videos but you need to change that interval music
Why.. why is this video so quiet?
It's not for me