I wish they had smart phones back in the 60's and 70's - we would have seen a lot of great stuff - Especially the Wong Jack man fight - Only if Linda Lee has a smartphone !!!
It's all good. The mystery, unknown, and unseen only adds to his legend. Fortunately, there's enough that is known and was seen that we know he is a TRUE legend.
I'm so glad I've discovered your podcast; better late than never. This particular episode I love especially, because I know a lot about what you're discussing! I was a kid in the 60's, and when Bruce Lee came along, I had already been watching a lot of Gung Fu (mostly swordplay) movies in SF Chinatown. One day my dad came home and said there's a new movie coming out called "The Big Boss", and asked me if I wanted to see it. He said "the guy that played Kato" is the star. Well...like for many of us, that was that. So at 11 years old, I began taking Hung Gar Gung Fu lessons, transferring to White Crane a couple years later. I had stacks of Chinese magazines with Bruce Lee on the cover (that I couldn't read, and therefore had to beg my dad to read them to me), but what I was learning didn't look like what I was seeing Bruce Lee do in The Big Boss and Fist of Fury. My Gung Fu teacher told me I would have to learn all the sets first before I could learn the stuff Bruce Lee was doing (lol). Then the Tai Chi vs. White Crane master "battle of the ages" that you're referring to, came out...It played at Sun Sing Theater on Grant Ave, the same theater Bruce gave his demo at that pissed so many Gung Fu people off. Once I witnessed that catastrophe, I gave up on my Gung Fu lessons. I thought, if that's how "masters" fight in traditional martial arts, it's not for me. In the Chinese language articles my Dad read to me, Bruce talked about his training methods, which included boxing and fencing footwork and other assorted practices, like weight training and isometrics. He said something about the difference between what he did and traditional Gung Fu. I was prejudiced against classical Gung Fu from that point on. Re: the Wong Jack Man fight. One of WJM's friends was a guy named David Chin (no relation), who later became a good friend of my dad's. David confessed to putting the bug in WJM's ear about challenging Bruce to a fight, because David was in the Sun Sing Theater audience the night Bruce "insulted" the Gung Fu teachers in the area. The fight, just as you said, had NOTHING to do with Bruce fighting for the right to teach martial arts to non-Chinese. David was one of the witnesses to the fight, on WJM's side of the room, of course. He told my dad the "fight" was just as you describe here, with Bruce running after WJM with chain punches and trying to kick him in the groin. When Bruce fell on top of WJM and started punching him and asking him if he gave up, David told my dad they all ran over there to break it up, afraid their buddy WJM was about to get pounded. Hop Gar Sifu David Chin stuck to that story in person and in interviews, as far as I know, till the day he died in 2020.
Thank you! My podcast is relatively new, so you are not really "late" haha. Wow, thank you so much for your descriptions of what David Chin said. I'm happy to hear about your story as well. Perhaps I will have you on the podcast!
@@TheKungFuGenius Alex, if anything you should talk to my dad. He knew every Sifu in Chinatown, and also practiced himself. He was friends with Shek Kin, met Lo Wei and many Shaw Bros and Golden Harvest actors. Dad was even invited to Hong Kong to try his hand at acting. I’m sorry he never did...would have been a kick. I have so many “one degree of separation” connections to my childhood idol even I’m sometimes surprised to this day.
@@derekchin6403 Thanks 😊 for your Story. Nice to hear this-always believe in the Little Dragon 🐉 ! The first time as a young kid (6 years old in 1986) i saw Bruce Lee in Fist of Fury ( Chinese Connection ). I know he was other then the others !!! He was like a meteor or Vulcan that exploded in the screen, with his Charisma, and sure his fists and Kicks !!! This was love from the first moment. He was the best and will be in my book. Sad for him, unfortunately he died in young age, to seen his fulfilled success that he have would becomes, after the release of E.T.D. and later G.O.D. !!! He was like Jesus Christ or Alexander the Great or James Dean- that died in his / they’re, Zenit. I think both, Bruce and his Son was/are murdered. Too much coincidence for my taste. With money from the triads and when R.Chow and Lo Wei where Triads members and this Betty Tin Pei latter married this triads leader, short time, after his death. When you go to sleep with snakes, sometimes you don't get up again.
@@nostradamus522 I've believed that for a long time, too. My Dad's connections in HK all believe Raymond Chow was behind Bruce's death. Bruce was going to leave Chow (whom he didn't trust) and head back to Hollywood after ETD came out. Chow would lose the only star who kept his company afloat, and lose tremendous "face" to top it off. Many people were present when Bruce would chew Raymond Chow out for one thing or another. Chow had no choice but to keep quiet and take it. Slow poisoning? Poison that doesn't show up in an autopsy? Not too far-fetched that something like that would exist in China. But let's say Bruce Lee died of heatstroke instead, like Matt Polly theorizes. Just before he would make it BIG. Brandon, too? Just before HE would also make it BIG? Crazy coincidence? How many action films (gangster, war, crime, drama, superhero, fantasy) featuring gunplay have been filmed, and you never hear of even a stuntman dying from getting shot, much less the LEADING MAN/STAR OF THE MOVIE? Unlike with BL, I couldn't even imagine a motive for Brandon's death. But I've never been at peace with either.
@@derekchin6403 Similar stories later happened to Jackie Chan with Lo Wei. When Lo Wei wanted to let him out of his gag contract. Both Lee and Chan went out with only one pistol / revolver at that time. However, through the mediation of Jimmy Wang Yu, who is also said to have been a triad member, Chan was able to get out by paying 💰 a sum. Sadly, Lee thinks true stubbornly in the same position. And if the police are both a triad member and law and order men - then amen. When asked how B. Lee died, Mr. Chan replied. I was in Australia, but he died completely normal at home ! 😉 Normal with 32 years 👀 Sure that Chan says nothing else. especially since an actress who didn't want to have anything to do with a triad member and was killed. The autopsy report of Lee's death. I don't trust him any more than Chuck Norris world champion title and Bob Walls Hairs. Lee would have to be autopsied again for that.But that won't happen if it hasn't happened by now. Somebody made it happen. So it remains a bland aftertaste to see your idol and to be able to have the circumstances of his death in the back of your mind. Thank you for your experience with Bruce Lee. Thanks that you share this with us - all the best and health in this time.
I trained with Dan Lee and Ted Wong for a whole weekend seminar jkd camp. They taught me basics. I learned things that most ppl don't know about Bruce the mainstream doesn't know.
If you watch the fight between the Special Forces guy and the Peruvian Special Forces guy, the fight with Wang Jack Man, looked exactly like that. There's an eye strike the guy turns runs off and falls down. But when Bruce did that boxing match, most of the Chinese guys won their matches, five out of seven, including Bruce. But I like what someone said, that forms make no sense, if you never fight. It just looks like dancing.
I always assumed this phone call took place sometime in '72 or maybe '73 when Bruce had come back to L.A. for a check up at UCLA, Dan offers to help Bruce move stuff out of Bruce's Bel Air home, Bruce mentioned that he was in the process of selling that home, if I'm remembering this conversation correctly.
@@TheKungFuGenius It was early 1972 (March I think), when Lee was preparing to move to HK full time. I love how the conversation starts with him praising Joe Frazier. Wish he'd followed up with his thoughts on Ali - that would have been immense. I first heard portions of the Dan Lee conversation in 1993, when I attended a Bruce Lee Convention in London. Jim Kelly was the special guest - great times.
@@sdog2006 pity Bruce didn't live long enough to see the Rumble in the Jungle, remember seeing Dan lnosanto describing Bruce sometimes would fight like Frazier
Daniel Lee was a champion boxer in China prior to moving to the US and training under Ed Parker with his friends Jerry Poteet and Dan Inosanto who then trained at the Chinatown school and privately at Bruce’s house. He taught JKD privately at his house in Duarte where I trained with him a few times. He taught Tai Chi in Pasadena three times a week. He kept his JKD private after the Core BL students “disbanded”
Great to hear the phone call and your enthusiasm about Bruce Lee and Kung Fu. Lots of good things you have! Regarding Kung Fu I think great wise Shaolin monks, Daoist monks really done job well! They did nt create a style of how to injure an opponent. They made it seem like they did but 00 percent of all Kung Fu, Karate... practitioners really do not understand real Kung Fu. Fighting might be hidden inside the forms and practice but an ignorant man striving to be the best fighter will not at all got any useful information out. He will keep practicing becoming a master of his style... and then step into a fight being complete idiot. If you want to learn real fighting do Crav Maga, MMA, street Boxing or even sport Boxing... and follow the route of violence. But if you want to understand Kung Fu think of compassion, humility, patience, meditation... - In short internal work of what Buddhism and Daoism talk about. Guys Kung fu is not crap but it is highly coded way of a peace art. In whatever different way you take it you will miss all the heavenly glory. Better learn like Bruce did the art of fighting in Boxing... and when you underrstand the art of No fighting then Kung Fu is the best...
@@johndough8115 Shaolin Kung fu is a secret art of mefitatiin merged with fighting. There for certain were peoole who were just merely interested in self defence, fighting...These are quite majority of all kung fu practitiiners. For art of peace like Shaolin traditiin was were not to share fighting skills to many. Except inferior monks not knowing or following rules of the temple. Thete were Knight templars.... all these like some Shaolin practitiiners used martial arts and all were of course highly effective. Again true Shaolin is not fighting others. Because true practitioner knows winning your own ignorance, anger, greed and pride are the real goal. They are real enemies not talking about who can dislokate a jaw or stop heart from beating. These arts are the one of darkness. No matter what name or excuse you put on them. It is up to you what you use a knife for but true Shaolin oe Daoist has no interest of desplaying skills or even more teaching them to ignorant people
@@johndough8115 Your statements have a meaning and you sure have some knowledge and experiances but it is very common to think this way. That is why people still passionatelly practice and want to wear weapons... Like yoz said Gong fu came out from qi gong - healing or sustaining healthy body for monks meditating and later merged with martial skills because if bandits, animals, protecting of the temple.... But today 95 percent of peoole do not face this or it is better to use guns.... Still monks do not use guns but practice ging fu for health, to keep tradition and as a part of meditation practice. They very easy are not concerned with the martial skill aspect. Because of theit internal buddhist practice and vows. So they teach others the same. Violence by any means should be only a part to turn a ger into compassion. While they inside sure know and talk to eachother values, techniques...of real very affective martial skills they are not at all ready to tell others. It is a secret art like some Vajrayana buddhism practices. Besides look at some quite recent highly spiritual Thai monks living in the caves in the wild facing and living with tigers all the time. Non has no idea of martial arts. They even use Tigers and jungle to improve their own practice. Mostly tigers just come to their cave with curiisity... Anyway, tiger fighting Gong fu does exsist and I saw a part of it. How to know to attack his back if he attacks..... Not that this matters much but Violence in Buddhism and topics of real Gong fu practice was my graduate desertation topic and am also a Shaolin disciple dedicated to spread real meaning of Shaolin! Gong fu for a true practitiiner is first for spiritual, second health and tgird it is a very controling and useful fighting system but it is hidden in the tradition and form. Few practice this way , many want and think fighting. If you are spiritually ready if karma is right you will be taught real martiall skill gong fu but otherwise tgese all should stay secret. These are higher arts to control violent spirits, attacks... But to teach to mentally unhealthy being all these is not good! Good teacher will decide whom he will teach martial skills if he needs them and to whom health and codded martial arts. It is very important as they understand buddhist teachings. So good monks and teachers will always follow this!
Why would Shannon Lee sign off on that horrific Chinese TV series about her father? She’s clearly been pushing a narrative that is not always congruent with the facts. Hot take - if I died when my daughter was three that wouldn’t qualify her as an expert on my early life. Bloodline does not equal factual knowledge.
@@TheKungFuGenius Don’t misunderstand me, I’m only asking a question, I’m not saying you’re wrong or I’m right - I’m simply asking. And I’ve enjoyed the videos on your channel here. But I have to look at both sides and play devil’s advocate here as you’ve made a pretty big claim. In your response to my initial question, what logically doesn’t make sense is you’re almost implying that Linda Lee wasn’t around to tell Shannon what happened when she definitely was. So I wouldn’t be so quick to judge Shannon. Maybe Shannon just believes the story her mother told her. Is it really Shannon with an agenda? Or is it Linda? Logically speaking, unless Shannon is in on a lie with her mother, the blame must go to Linda. On top of that, you’re now caught in a logical fallacy - you think Bruce’s immediate family may have an agenda in this specific instance and you don’t trust what they say; but in your video (I forget if it’s the 1st or 2nd episode) you claim Bruce chased Wong Jackman around for the majority of the fight and he was running away - and you say Linda Lee confirmed this and was there. How do you know this is correct? What if she has an agenda? What if the truth is Wong Jackman didn’t run away as much as they say, and what if he couldn’t have, because the studio he fought Bruce in was too small? What if the fight was actually more of a draw with an undecided winner like the Wong Jackman crowd will tell you today? And what if this actually made more logical sense? Why would Bruce feel let down after a fight where someone just ran away from him the whole time? He would logically only feel bad about his art letting him down if he actually fought. No art works if you can’t touch your opponent. You suddenly trust what Bruce’s family has to say in this instance with Wong Jackman - where as with the fight being related to teaching non-Chinese, you don’t trust them - as you accused them of having an agenda. So which is it? Are you going to stick with this current train of logic where you have it both ways? Because you contradict yourself right there. And if they lied about that, isn’t it logical that they could lie about the other point too? It’s possible that they didn’t. It’s possible that you out of sheer luck guessed correctly what they lied about historically and what they are telling the truth about... but it’s unlikely. And of course we’ll never truly know as we weren’t there - and none of us can say what “facts” are there and aren’t there. But I’m just pointing this out... it’s not very logically consistent.
@@WingChunGungFu My manager would probably have to charge you hourly for me to answer this lol. If you’re ever in New York, let’s grab a coffee it’s easier.
@@WingChunGungFu My dad’s friend David Chin told the same story of what really happened for years. David Chin was on WJM’s side at the fight, and he even takes credit for getting the challenge going. He said the reason for the fight wasn’t because Bruce was teaching non-Chinese (There were already other Sifus teaching non-Chinese in Chinatown at the time), it was because BL was an “arrogant loudmouth” and they wanted to shut him up. Didn’t work. BL was better. But this “story” that the Lee family has been telling is a good one, just not a factual one. Read STRIKING DISTANCE by Charles Russo, a very accurate and well researched book on the SF Chinatown Gung Fu scene in the 50s and 60s.
Dude.. I just watched a LEUNG TING Wing Chun wooden dummy set he did in HONG KONG or something. Absolutely nasty. I knew. But still. Absolutely sick. Elbows in. Angled. GAANG SAO and QUAN look like hits. 😂slick snakey movements chopping or screwing in. 😉☮️💥that was dope 4 sure.
22:46 Imagine how aggravating it is to put up videos to try n help people out with little details and try to make it fun. Only to have kids n guys who live with mommy say “That punch has no power” lol😂. You can’t fight!! Lol😂. It’s a nightmare. I wrestled for a long time. They are SEEING KUNG FU cuz that’s my smarter self being honest. But they don’t know about the dozens of street fights. Look up BROCKTON MASSACHUSETTS. ❤😂lol
boxing and kick boxing. would have been then, what MMA is today (Joe Lewis participated on a few of those and were full contact). but there were also more underground lets call it martial Arts contests, similar to that of Kimura vs Gracie. Point Karate was just what happened to be popular at the time.
Kickboxing came later, Vale Tudo was only in Brazil. It’s unreasonable to say a martial artist from the 60’s had to compete in boxing because it was the only real thing then. This is hindsight bias.
@@TheKungFuGenius Not sure what you mean by 'Hindsight bias'. There were no necessarily official MMA or fighting sports per say but there were still fighting contests among elite fighters. It had to be agreed and planed but they did happened and had crowds. Look at the Kimura Gracie fight for example, I know this was in Brazil, but Bruce had plenty of freedom to travel, you also mentioned the Muay Thai fighters taking on Japanese martial artist. Just because things did not necessarily happened in the US, doesn't mean they didn't happen. Now I love Bruce, he has been one of my biggest inspirations in life as a whole, love what you are putting out in your channel also, but to say that Bruce did not fight because there were no real fights in those days, is a little far-fetched.
Ya gotta interview the Dacascos to hear the other side of the Wong Jack Man nonsense, they rarely talk about it and try to make amends but Wong Jack Man was heavily maligned esp by Linda
Well David Chin, who was in Wong Jack Man’s camp and was also present for the fight admitted Bruce Lee won sooo not sure why the opinions of people who weren’t there really matter.
@@TheKungFuGenius because they trained under him and even Dan Inosanto did, there was no loss of prestige. What Bruce Lee doesn’t even make anaerobic sense. Have you practised Northern Shaolin?
Don't think that was a "reverse punch" he did in that interview... And the 1954 fight did not showcase anything let's say highly skilled especially coming from "a master" but there were a couple of moves identifiable (the lead drop fist followed by an over head, also some gingerfist wide circle attack (they're not all just wild swings) from other arts but not done very well at all... I would rate this as a white to yellow belt level of performance given the stress of actual fighting... Also some decent shots? were absorbed by one or both...
Alex great episode my friend. There is a interview with Daniel Lee about he was sparring with Bruce Lee and Dan Lee said he landed a counter punch on Bruce and Bruce got mad and rain punches on him. The next morning Dan woke up and yawn and he jaw got locked. He went to the doctor and he told him Dan jaw was broken. Bruce broke his Jaw sparring.
@@cuzz63 well Bruce Lee was a man in process, not yet aware that his kinda/maybe actions someone heard once would be judged by someone as omniscient as “cuzz63”.
This is what Bruce meant with dry land swimming. These martial artists never got into a fight and their teaching others how to fight. That’s like acting teachers are teaching others how to act because they can’t gel acting work. It’s big business and BS.
Awesome Alex.... Glad that you are carrying on the podcast. Always been great to hear you on Dudes of Kung Fu with Sean. Glad to see you carrying on what you obviously enjoy doing. Great start. Best wishes....
30:10 Not sure if it was a scratch. According to M Polly's book, before the fight, Wong had secretly strapped on a pair of leather wrist bracelets studded with metal spikes. Bruce's neck was injured by the spikes. Polly didn't give any source for this except quoting David Chin, and I think Bruce's response to that should've been more fiery than described in the book. So maybe need more evidence.
Does anybody really believe that those guys in that 'match' were masters? They don't even look like they just practice forms, they have no structure at all. They are con men, and the show was a con. Just like they do today in China all the time. These self professed masters who get beaten up for money for a living. The show was most likely a con to get money from those who paid to see it. Somebody who has spent 30 years or more of their life training, every day, as anyone calling themselves must do at minimum, would at least look better than those two do. These people are not masters, nor are they even fake masters, because a real fake master would never fight like this publicly and lose everything they have. Of course, these 'matches' are awful: these people have never trained in anything: even a forms person would put on abetter show (until getting knocked out).
They were not nobodies, and they were legitimately two of the most respected in their fields. It’s easy to look at this from so many years later and think these guys were nobody’s, but that would actually not be true. They were for that time considered legitimate masters in their crafts. And that’s independent of whether the whole show was a moneymaking ploy or not.
@@TheKungFuGenius Here's a real contest from, I guess the 60s? 70s? IDK, but you can see here, the Tai chi master has skills, he wrestles against a shio jiao champion and throws him around. This is legitimate skill from the same period as the one you talk about with that phoney match. ruclips.net/video/_u9RvbhqFkI/видео.html
@@TheKungFuGenius Here's a Taiwanese match from the 80s, this gives us some insight into what legitimate matches looked like then. I know it's later, but still: ruclips.net/video/kMlfBSonHTo/видео.html
I believe you are on point about the wong jack man fight, what a keen analysis, on the phone and other related subject matters.. very well done Mr. Richter.
The sad thing is the kung fu community doesn't call these con men out: we let the MMA guys do it for us, and then they use that to tells us how useless all kung fu must be. We all know who has skill and who doesn't - if you train in any MA for a length of time you will know this. Bruce is recalling this match from his childhood so it's understandable that he didn't know they were fakes, how would he know this as a child? I wish the kung fu community would start to identify and challenge con men properly, because we can all see who they are a mile off.
I do think Alex is barking up the wrong tree in the event (tournament) that Bruce talk with Daniel, and as well as the actual explanation of the "Gwok Seot", "Mou Seot" and "Gung Fu".
So what did you guys think of this first part of this Bruce Lee phone conversation? Chime in below!
I love the format. Amazing job! Congrats to the one and only Kung Fu Genius and DJ Dreeeeee :)
Thank you!
I wish they had smart phones back in the 60's and 70's - we would have seen a lot of great stuff - Especially the Wong Jack man fight - Only if Linda Lee has a smartphone !!!
It's all good. The mystery, unknown, and unseen only adds to his legend. Fortunately, there's enough that is known and was seen that we know he is a TRUE legend.
I'm so glad I've discovered your podcast; better late than never. This particular episode I love especially, because I know a lot about what you're discussing! I was a kid in the 60's, and when Bruce Lee came along, I had already been watching a lot of Gung Fu (mostly swordplay) movies in SF Chinatown. One day my dad came home and said there's a new movie coming out called "The Big Boss", and asked me if I wanted to see it. He said "the guy that played Kato" is the star. Well...like for many of us, that was that. So at 11 years old, I began taking Hung Gar Gung Fu lessons, transferring to White Crane a couple years later. I had stacks of Chinese magazines with Bruce Lee on the cover (that I couldn't read, and therefore had to beg my dad to read them to me), but what I was learning didn't look like what I was seeing Bruce Lee do in The Big Boss and Fist of Fury. My Gung Fu teacher told me I would have to learn all the sets first before I could learn the stuff Bruce Lee was doing (lol). Then the Tai Chi vs. White Crane master "battle of the ages" that you're referring to, came out...It played at Sun Sing Theater on Grant Ave, the same theater Bruce gave his demo at that pissed so many Gung Fu people off. Once I witnessed that catastrophe, I gave up on my Gung Fu lessons. I thought, if that's how "masters" fight in traditional martial arts, it's not for me. In the Chinese language articles my Dad read to me, Bruce talked about his training methods, which included boxing and fencing footwork and other assorted practices, like weight training and isometrics. He said something about the difference between what he did and traditional Gung Fu. I was prejudiced against classical Gung Fu from that point on. Re: the Wong Jack Man fight. One of WJM's friends was a guy named David Chin (no relation), who later became a good friend of my dad's. David confessed to putting the bug in WJM's ear about challenging Bruce to a fight, because David was in the Sun Sing Theater audience the night Bruce "insulted" the Gung Fu teachers in the area. The fight, just as you said, had NOTHING to do with Bruce fighting for the right to teach martial arts to non-Chinese. David was one of the witnesses to the fight, on WJM's side of the room, of course. He told my dad the "fight" was just as you describe here, with Bruce running after WJM with chain punches and trying to kick him in the groin. When Bruce fell on top of WJM and started punching him and asking him if he gave up, David told my dad they all ran over there to break it up, afraid their buddy WJM was about to get pounded. Hop Gar Sifu David Chin stuck to that story in person and in interviews, as far as I know, till the day he died in 2020.
Thank you! My podcast is relatively new, so you are not really "late" haha. Wow, thank you so much for your descriptions of what David Chin said. I'm happy to hear about your story as well. Perhaps I will have you on the podcast!
@@TheKungFuGenius Alex, if anything you should talk to my dad. He knew every Sifu in Chinatown, and also practiced himself. He was friends with Shek Kin, met Lo Wei and many Shaw Bros and Golden Harvest actors. Dad was even invited to Hong Kong to try his hand at acting. I’m sorry he never did...would have been a kick. I have so many “one degree of separation” connections to my childhood idol even I’m sometimes surprised to this day.
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Thanks 😊 for your Story.
Nice to hear this-always believe in the Little Dragon 🐉 !
The first time as a young kid (6 years old in 1986) i saw Bruce Lee in Fist of Fury ( Chinese Connection ).
I know he was other then the others !!!
He was like a meteor or Vulcan that exploded in the screen, with his Charisma, and sure his fists and Kicks !!!
This was love from the first moment.
He was the best and will be in my book.
Sad for him, unfortunately he died in young age, to seen his fulfilled success that he have would becomes, after the release of E.T.D. and later G.O.D. !!!
He was like Jesus Christ or Alexander the Great or James Dean- that died in his / they’re, Zenit.
I think both, Bruce and his Son was/are murdered.
Too much coincidence for my taste.
With money from the triads and when R.Chow and Lo Wei where Triads members and this Betty Tin Pei latter married this triads leader, short time, after his death.
When you go to sleep with snakes, sometimes you don't get up again.
@@nostradamus522 I've believed that for a long time, too. My Dad's connections in HK all believe Raymond Chow was behind Bruce's death. Bruce was going to leave Chow (whom he didn't trust) and head back to Hollywood after ETD came out. Chow would lose the only star who kept his company afloat, and lose tremendous "face" to top it off. Many people were present when Bruce would chew Raymond Chow out for one thing or another. Chow had no choice but to keep quiet and take it. Slow poisoning? Poison that doesn't show up in an autopsy? Not too far-fetched that something like that would exist in China. But let's say Bruce Lee died of heatstroke instead, like Matt Polly theorizes. Just before he would make it BIG. Brandon, too? Just before HE would also make it BIG? Crazy coincidence? How many action films (gangster, war, crime, drama, superhero, fantasy) featuring gunplay have been filmed, and you never hear of even a stuntman dying from getting shot, much less the LEADING MAN/STAR OF THE MOVIE? Unlike with BL, I couldn't even imagine a motive for Brandon's death. But I've never been at peace with either.
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Similar stories later happened to Jackie Chan with Lo Wei.
When Lo Wei wanted to let him out of his gag contract.
Both Lee and Chan went out with only one pistol / revolver at that time.
However, through the mediation of Jimmy Wang Yu, who is also said to have been a triad member, Chan was able to get out by paying 💰 a sum.
Sadly, Lee thinks true stubbornly in the same position.
And if the police are both a triad member and law and order men - then amen.
When asked how B. Lee died, Mr. Chan replied. I was in Australia, but he died completely normal at home ! 😉
Normal with 32 years 👀
Sure that Chan says nothing else. especially since an actress who didn't want to have anything to do with a triad member and was killed.
The autopsy report of Lee's death.
I don't trust him any more than Chuck Norris world champion title and Bob Walls Hairs.
Lee would have to be autopsied again for that.But that won't happen if it hasn't happened by now.
Somebody made it happen.
So it remains a bland aftertaste to see your idol and to be able to have the circumstances of his death in the back of your mind.
Thank you for your experience with Bruce Lee. Thanks that you share this with us - all the best and health in this time.
You make good videos glad I found ur chanal. What do you think of tommy caruthus JKD
Thank you kindly for your comments. I think anyone who intimidates an actor like Donnie Yen is way too tough for my channel.
Great podcast,liked and subscribed keep up the good work.🙏
Thank you!
I trained with Dan Lee and Ted Wong for a whole weekend seminar jkd camp. They taught me basics. I learned things that most ppl don't know about Bruce the mainstream doesn't know.
Good to know
Excellent. Great content 😎😎😎😎❤
Thank you! Part three is coming out soon!
If you watch the fight between the Special Forces guy and the Peruvian Special Forces guy, the fight with Wang Jack Man, looked exactly like that. There's an eye strike the guy turns runs off and falls down. But when Bruce did that boxing match, most of the Chinese guys won their matches, five out of seven, including Bruce. But I like what someone said, that forms make no sense, if you never fight. It just looks like dancing.
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I always assumed this phone call took place sometime in '72 or maybe '73 when Bruce had come back to L.A. for a check up at UCLA, Dan offers to help Bruce move stuff out of Bruce's Bel Air home, Bruce mentioned that he was in the process of selling that home, if I'm remembering this conversation correctly.
When you listen to the latter part of the conversation you will hear of Bruce just finishing Fists of Fury putting this as late 71/early 72.
@@TheKungFuGenius It was early 1972 (March I think), when Lee was preparing to move to HK full time. I love how the conversation starts with him praising Joe Frazier. Wish he'd followed up with his thoughts on Ali - that would have been immense. I first heard portions of the Dan Lee conversation in 1993, when I attended a Bruce Lee Convention in London. Jim Kelly was the special guest - great times.
@@sdog2006 pity Bruce didn't live long enough to see the Rumble in the Jungle, remember seeing Dan lnosanto describing Bruce sometimes would fight like Frazier
Sir Dan Lee was also a student of Dan Inosanto & Ed Parker on Kenpo or Kempo Karate before he switch to Jeet Kune Do
Yes we know this.
Daniel Lee was a champion boxer in China prior to moving to the US and training under Ed Parker with his friends Jerry Poteet and Dan Inosanto who then trained at the Chinatown school and privately at Bruce’s house. He taught JKD privately at his house in Duarte where I trained with him a few times. He taught Tai Chi in Pasadena three times a week. He kept his JKD private after the Core BL students “disbanded”
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Good job, Alex. Btw... I know you won't do it, but as "wrong" as it is, I'd still want a "Gangster Fist" t-shirt!!!
Not a bad idea
Paralyzing dogma. I've been punched in the face. Having had broken nose. You see stars literally.
Great to hear the phone call and your enthusiasm about Bruce Lee and Kung Fu. Lots of good things you have!
Regarding Kung Fu I think great wise Shaolin monks, Daoist monks really done job well! They did nt create a style of how to injure an opponent. They made it seem like they did but 00 percent of all Kung Fu, Karate... practitioners really do not understand real Kung Fu. Fighting might be hidden inside the forms and practice but an ignorant man striving to be the best fighter will not at all got any useful information out. He will keep practicing becoming a master of his style... and then step into a fight being complete idiot.
If you want to learn real fighting do Crav Maga, MMA, street Boxing or even sport Boxing... and follow the route of violence. But if you want to understand Kung Fu think of compassion, humility, patience, meditation... - In short internal work of what Buddhism and Daoism talk about.
Guys Kung fu is not crap but it is highly coded way of a peace art.
In whatever different way you take it you will miss all the heavenly glory. Better learn like Bruce did the art of fighting in Boxing... and when you underrstand the art of No fighting then Kung Fu is the best...
@@johndough8115 Shaolin Kung fu is a secret art of mefitatiin merged with fighting. There for certain were peoole who were just merely interested in self defence, fighting...These are quite majority of all kung fu practitiiners. For art of peace like Shaolin traditiin was were not to share fighting skills to many. Except inferior monks not knowing or following rules of the temple.
Thete were Knight templars.... all these like some Shaolin practitiiners used martial arts and all were of course highly effective. Again true Shaolin is not fighting others. Because true practitioner knows winning your own ignorance, anger, greed and pride are the real goal. They are real enemies not talking about who can dislokate a jaw or stop heart from beating. These arts are the one of darkness. No matter what name or excuse you put on them.
It is up to you what you use a knife for but true Shaolin oe Daoist has no interest of desplaying skills or even more teaching them to ignorant people
@@johndough8115 Your statements have a meaning and you sure have some knowledge and experiances but it is very common to think this way. That is why people still passionatelly practice and want to wear weapons...
Like yoz said Gong fu came out from qi gong - healing or sustaining healthy body for monks meditating and later merged with martial skills because if bandits, animals, protecting of the temple....
But today 95 percent of peoole do not face this or it is better to use guns....
Still monks do not use guns but practice ging fu for health, to keep tradition and as a part of meditation practice. They very easy are not concerned with the martial skill aspect. Because of theit internal buddhist practice and vows. So they teach others the same. Violence by any means should be only a part to turn a ger into compassion.
While they inside sure know and talk to eachother values, techniques...of real very affective martial skills they are not at all ready to tell others. It is a secret art like some Vajrayana buddhism practices.
Besides look at some quite recent highly spiritual Thai monks living in the caves in the wild facing and living with tigers all the time. Non has no idea of martial arts.
They even use Tigers and jungle to improve their own practice. Mostly tigers just come to their cave with curiisity...
Anyway, tiger fighting Gong fu does exsist and I saw a part of it. How to know to attack his back if he attacks.....
Not that this matters much but Violence in Buddhism and topics of real Gong fu practice was my graduate desertation topic and am also a Shaolin disciple dedicated to spread real meaning of Shaolin!
Gong fu for a true practitiiner is first for spiritual, second health and tgird it is a very controling and useful fighting system but it is hidden in the tradition and form. Few practice this way , many want and think fighting.
If you are spiritually ready if karma is right you will be taught real martiall skill gong fu but otherwise tgese all should stay secret. These are higher arts to control violent spirits, attacks...
But to teach to mentally unhealthy being all these is not good! Good teacher will decide whom he will teach martial skills if he needs them and to whom health and codded martial arts. It is very important as they understand buddhist teachings.
So good monks and teachers will always follow this!
Great content as usual 💪
Now invite Joe Rogan, but not right away. Don’t make him feel special 😅
Having listened to him so often, I feel like I've heard his opinion on everything more than my own haha.
Why does Shannon Lee say they fought Bruce for teaching non Chinese in her interview with Bas Rutan if that wasn’t true?
Why would Shannon Lee sign off on that horrific Chinese TV series about her father? She’s clearly been pushing a narrative that is not always congruent with the facts. Hot take - if I died when my daughter was three that wouldn’t qualify her as an expert on my early life. Bloodline does not equal factual knowledge.
@@TheKungFuGenius Don’t misunderstand me, I’m only asking a question, I’m not saying you’re wrong or I’m right - I’m simply asking. And I’ve enjoyed the videos on your channel here. But I have to look at both sides and play devil’s advocate here as you’ve made a pretty big claim.
In your response to my initial question, what logically doesn’t make sense is you’re almost implying that Linda Lee wasn’t around to tell Shannon what happened when she definitely was. So I wouldn’t be so quick to judge Shannon. Maybe Shannon just believes the story her mother told her. Is it really Shannon with an agenda? Or is it Linda? Logically speaking, unless Shannon is in on a lie with her mother, the blame must go to Linda.
On top of that, you’re now caught in a logical fallacy - you think Bruce’s immediate family may have an agenda in this specific instance and you don’t trust what they say; but in your video (I forget if it’s the 1st or 2nd episode) you claim Bruce chased Wong Jackman around for the majority of the fight and he was running away - and you say Linda Lee confirmed this and was there. How do you know this is correct? What if she has an agenda? What if the truth is Wong Jackman didn’t run away as much as they say, and what if he couldn’t have, because the studio he fought Bruce in was too small? What if the fight was actually more of a draw with an undecided winner like the Wong Jackman crowd will tell you today? And what if this actually made more logical sense? Why would Bruce feel let down after a fight where someone just ran away from him the whole time? He would logically only feel bad about his art letting him down if he actually fought. No art works if you can’t touch your opponent.
You suddenly trust what Bruce’s family has to say in this instance with Wong Jackman - where as with the fight being related to teaching non-Chinese, you don’t trust them - as you accused them of having an agenda. So which is it? Are you going to stick with this current train of logic where you have it both ways? Because you contradict yourself right there. And if they lied about that, isn’t it logical that they could lie about the other point too?
It’s possible that they didn’t. It’s possible that you out of sheer luck guessed correctly what they lied about historically and what they are telling the truth about... but it’s unlikely. And of course we’ll never truly know as we weren’t there - and none of us can say what “facts” are there and aren’t there. But I’m just pointing this out... it’s not very logically consistent.
@@WingChunGungFu My manager would probably have to charge you hourly for me to answer this lol. If you’re ever in New York, let’s grab a coffee it’s easier.
@@TheKungFuGenius Lol. Alright buddy, whatever you say. 😂 Maybe we can get coffee. And better yet, maybe we can do some chi sau.
@@WingChunGungFu My dad’s friend David Chin told the same story of what really happened for years. David Chin was on WJM’s side at the fight, and he even takes credit for getting the challenge going. He said the reason for the fight wasn’t because Bruce was teaching non-Chinese (There were already other Sifus teaching non-Chinese in Chinatown at the time), it was because BL was an “arrogant loudmouth” and they wanted to shut him up. Didn’t work. BL was better. But this “story” that the Lee family has been telling is a good one, just not a factual one. Read STRIKING DISTANCE by Charles Russo, a very accurate and well researched book on the SF Chinatown Gung Fu scene in the 50s and 60s.
Dude.. I just watched a LEUNG TING Wing Chun wooden dummy set he did in HONG KONG or something. Absolutely nasty. I knew. But still. Absolutely sick. Elbows in. Angled. GAANG SAO and QUAN look like hits. 😂slick snakey movements chopping or screwing in. 😉☮️💥that was dope 4 sure.
22:46 Imagine how aggravating it is to put up videos to try n help people out with little details and try to make it fun. Only to have kids n guys who live with mommy say “That punch has no power” lol😂. You can’t fight!! Lol😂. It’s a nightmare. I wrestled for a long time. They are SEEING KUNG FU cuz that’s my smarter self being honest. But they don’t know about the dozens of street fights. Look up BROCKTON MASSACHUSETTS. ❤😂lol
They would claim PEN CAT SILAT but they would use THE DOGGIE PADDLE and the HACKING HITS with the wrong part of the hands.
I heard you say that , you see people who get all excited about Kung Fu ..but when it's time to come out n spar or chi sao, they stay on the couch.
24:10 I couldn’t agree more. On all of it.
I hate when they say that. He never fought.
44:45 PATTIE CAKE 🎂 I call it.
38:17 “CHIN NAH LIFE” lol 😂💥
Real control .
boxing and kick boxing. would have been then, what MMA is today (Joe Lewis participated on a few of those and were full contact). but there were also more underground lets call it martial Arts contests, similar to that of Kimura vs Gracie. Point Karate was just what happened to be popular at the time.
Kickboxing came later, Vale Tudo was only in Brazil. It’s unreasonable to say a martial artist from the 60’s had to compete in boxing because it was the only real thing then. This is hindsight bias.
@@TheKungFuGenius Not sure what you mean by 'Hindsight bias'. There were no necessarily official MMA or fighting sports per say but there were still fighting contests among elite fighters. It had to be agreed and planed but they did happened and had crowds. Look at the Kimura Gracie fight for example, I know this was in Brazil, but Bruce had plenty of freedom to travel, you also mentioned the Muay Thai fighters taking on Japanese martial artist. Just because things did not necessarily happened in the US, doesn't mean they didn't happen. Now I love Bruce, he has been one of my biggest inspirations in life as a whole, love what you are putting out in your channel also, but to say that Bruce did not fight because there were no real fights in those days, is a little far-fetched.
Ya gotta interview the Dacascos to hear the other side of the Wong Jack Man nonsense, they rarely talk about it and try to make amends but Wong Jack Man was heavily maligned esp by Linda
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Well David Chin, who was in Wong Jack Man’s camp and was also present for the fight admitted Bruce Lee won sooo not sure why the opinions of people who weren’t there really matter.
@@TheKungFuGenius because they trained under him and even Dan Inosanto did, there was no loss of prestige. What Bruce Lee doesn’t even make anaerobic sense. Have you practised Northern Shaolin?
This was awesome. Great breakdown, hilarious to hear Bruce Lee's sass, can't wait to listen to pt 2
Glad you liked it! More to come.
Your video from 2024 sent me here 😊
Time travel!
@@TheKungFuGenius That’s right 👨🏻🚀
If you think back to the early UFC years we saw this kind of thing, where people would just scramble..
Nothing more dangerous than a person who's determined and can actually fight. Street wise.
Sir the 1954 televised fight was also discussed by Matthew Polly on his book Bruce Lee A Life chapter 3 Ip Man
Yes, but new information points to that fact that Bruce Lee wasn't referencing that fight.
This was super interesting! Looking forward to the next!!!!
Thanks for the support! We have to do one together!
And there's no control either . To me, Gary lam structure is what Bruce was aiming for.
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Kinda surprising- Daniel Lee was one of his students from way back. I believe that he was even in many of Lee’s martial arts books.
Don't think that was a "reverse punch" he did in that interview... And the 1954 fight did not showcase anything let's say highly skilled especially coming from "a master" but there were a couple of moves identifiable (the lead drop fist followed by an over head, also some gingerfist wide circle attack (they're not all just wild swings) from other arts but not done very well at all... I would rate this as a white to yellow belt level of performance given the stress of actual fighting... Also some decent shots? were absorbed by one or both...
Alex great episode my friend. There is a interview with Daniel Lee about he was sparring with Bruce Lee and Dan Lee said he landed a counter punch on Bruce and Bruce got mad and rain punches on him. The next morning Dan woke up and yawn and he jaw got locked. He went to the doctor and he told him Dan jaw was broken. Bruce broke his Jaw sparring.
I’ve heard that story!
@@cuzz63 Bruce Lee didn't intend to do that to him. But accidents do happen.
@@cuzz63 true what can I say Bruce Lee had a bad temper.
@@cuzz63 well Bruce Lee was a man in process, not yet aware that his kinda/maybe actions someone heard once would be judged by someone as omniscient as “cuzz63”.
Anxious to hear 👍🏾
Hope you enjoy it!
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This is what Bruce meant with dry land swimming. These martial artists never got into a fight and their teaching others how to fight. That’s like acting teachers are teaching others how to act because they can’t gel acting work. It’s big business and BS.
Bruce definitely has a true understanding of fighting. I read a quote regarding the best self defense. I believe he said. A gun.
He had a .45
He actually owned two Derringers, which I think are .41
Awesome Alex.... Glad that you are carrying on the podcast. Always been great to hear you on Dudes of Kung Fu with Sean. Glad to see you carrying on what you obviously enjoy doing. Great start. Best wishes....
Thank you so much, that means a lot!
30:10 Not sure if it was a scratch. According to M Polly's book, before the fight, Wong had secretly strapped on a pair of leather wrist bracelets studded with metal spikes. Bruce's neck was injured by the spikes. Polly didn't give any source for this except quoting David Chin, and I think Bruce's response to that should've been more fiery than described in the book. So maybe need more evidence.
The scratch bit I heard from someone who claimed that James Yimm Lee said it.
Why would Danial Lee record his conversation with Bruce Lee without Bruce's consent or knowledge?
Good question
love seeing new stories about Mr lee so very very good podcast brother
Thank you
Thanks, Alex! Delighted you decided to start with Bruce Lee!
Me too!
Happy New Year guys! Awesome way to start it off!
Thanks man!
Does anybody really believe that those guys in that 'match' were masters? They don't even look like they just practice forms, they have no structure at all. They are con men, and the show was a con. Just like they do today in China all the time. These self professed masters who get beaten up for money for a living. The show was most likely a con to get money from those who paid to see it. Somebody who has spent 30 years or more of their life training, every day, as anyone calling themselves must do at minimum, would at least look better than those two do. These people are not masters, nor are they even fake masters, because a real fake master would never fight like this publicly and lose everything they have. Of course, these 'matches' are awful: these people have never trained in anything: even a forms person would put on abetter show (until getting knocked out).
They were not nobodies, and they were legitimately two of the most respected in their fields. It’s easy to look at this from so many years later and think these guys were nobody’s, but that would actually not be true. They were for that time considered legitimate masters in their crafts. And that’s independent of whether the whole show was a moneymaking ploy or not.
@@TheKungFuGenius Who were they? Do we have footage outside of this 'match'?
@@TheKungFuGenius Here's a real contest from, I guess the 60s? 70s? IDK, but you can see here, the Tai chi master has skills, he wrestles against a shio jiao champion and throws him around. This is legitimate skill from the same period as the one you talk about with that phoney match. ruclips.net/video/_u9RvbhqFkI/видео.html
@@TheKungFuGenius Here's a Taiwanese match from the 80s, this gives us some insight into what legitimate matches looked like then. I know it's later, but still: ruclips.net/video/kMlfBSonHTo/видео.html
I believe you are on point about the wong jack man fight, what a keen analysis, on the phone and other related subject matters.. very well done Mr. Richter.
Thank you!
@@TheKungFuGenius Your welcome.
Very insightful analysis of this conversation. Fascinating stuff.
Thank you!
Whatever happened to Gary Elms - he's part of Bruce Lee history
He passed away a few years back.
Love the energy!
We gotta have you on!
Hey hey brother, how've you been?
@@KungfuKhronicles I forgot you guys knew each other! Old school now.
@@TheKungFuGenius Yessir ole skool ties baby, glad to see you guys are both doin well 🙏🏾
The sad thing is the kung fu community doesn't call these con men out: we let the MMA guys do it for us, and then they use that to tells us how useless all kung fu must be. We all know who has skill and who doesn't - if you train in any MA for a length of time you will know this. Bruce is recalling this match from his childhood so it's understandable that he didn't know they were fakes, how would he know this as a child? I wish the kung fu community would start to identify and challenge con men properly, because we can all see who they are a mile off.
"Kung Fu Community"... what a beautiful dream...
I do think Alex is barking up the wrong tree in the event (tournament) that Bruce talk with Daniel, and as well as the actual explanation of the "Gwok Seot", "Mou Seot" and "Gung Fu".
A student of Daniel Lee recently contacted me and confirmed it was that 1954 fight.
@@hktlee thank you for your information
Congratulations on your new podcast, Si-Gung.
Thank you!
@@TheKungFuGenius You're welcome, Sir. Cool to Si-Suk Dre working with you.