TWiV 684: Persistence of SARS-CoV-2 immune memory
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- Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2020
- Daniel Griffin provides a clinical report on COVID-19, and Shane Crotty explains a study of antibodies, B cells and T cells in patients which suggests that immunological memory to SARS-CoV-2 might be long-lived.
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I just want to thank the whole TWIV “family” for providing the grounding critical analysis the tsunami of scientific and clinical information surrounding the pandemic. You remind me that logical and rational people still exist. Each episode is a tremendous boost to the thread of sanity I’m desperately clinging to.
The biggest nonesense on planet earth:
1) Exosome theory vs Virus theory
www.bitchute.com/video/5r11XbUsLsdG/ (9 min)
2) Articles on the germ theory, infectious diseases and immunity
whatreallymakesyouill.com/germ-theory-html/
whatreallymakesyouill.com/infectious-diseases-dispelling-the-myths/
whatreallymakesyouill.com/antibodies-immunity-dispelling-two-more-myths/
3) Dr Thomas Cowan MD interviews, watch one or more (1+ hour interviews):
ruclips.net/video/KGIzWjjkpNk/видео.html (1h30)
ruclips.net/video/0zhKxSlx0Gs/видео.html (1h05)
ruclips.net/video/0V5QJVuHaC4/видео.html (1h23)
4) Why the PCR test can't tell you have coronavirus:
ruclips.net/video/tWvsLyefpOA/видео.html (5 min)
ruclips.net/video/3a-Tsxl1R9E/видео.html (15 min)
ruclips.net/video/NGlEljlg2v4/видео.html (10 min)
5) Samuel Eckert asks Swiss Prof. Marcel Tanner where is the proof of the virus isolate
ruclips.net/video/bTskbrNGoFY/видео.html (14 min)
6) Dr Anrew Kaufman about the science behind virus isolation and Koch's postulates
Must watch: www.andrewkaufmanmd.com/the-rooster-in-the-river-of-rats/ (35 min) (youtube link if you prefer to speed up the playback: ruclips.net/video/Z4Za6uNAFvM/видео.html)
Are viruses actually exosomes? ruclips.net/video/TisUXVRA678/видео.html (14 min)
7) Dr Andrew Kaufman and Dr Thomas Cowan
ruclips.net/video/eRxWJfQHsXY/видео.html (1h13)
8) Dr Stefan Lanka (mircobiologist) - Why HIV has never been isolated (1994). Same story as covid.
ruclips.net/video/W08qjvrbtnc/видео.html (19 min)
Stefan Lanka, articles:
wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/Dismantling-the-Virus-Theory.pdf
www.globalresearch.ca/dr-stefan-lanka-2020-article-busts-virus-misconception/5719146
9) Viral Misconceptions - Presentation on The True Nature of Viruses. Great video.
ruclips.net/video/MtWYQS3LFlE/видео.html
Books:
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Béchamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology - Ethel D. Hume / R. Pearson (1923/1942)
The poisoned needle - McBean (1954)
The Great AIDS hoax - TC Fry (1990)
The private science of Louis Pasteur - Geison (1995)
Good-bye Germ Theory - Trebing (2004)
Virus Mania - Engelbrecht (2007/2020)
What really makes you ill - Parker/Lester (2020)
The Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life - A. Firstenberg (2020)
The Contagion Myth - Dr Thomas Cowan MD (2020)
Ditto!
Cling on, Betsy! I’m right there with you.
I do COVID investigations in Southern California and credit TWIV for building a foundation of knowledge concerning all things related to the pandemic. Thank you Vincent and all your crew for your efforts that are truly making a positive difference.
Thanks for another great discussion. Please keep chatty. The good natured atmosphere is an important part - it teaches us we can be serious about science and even argue about it yet remain on the same team. Nobody puts their ego on the line for a particular point of view and that is refreshing and a good example to follow in life.
Vincent, Daniel, and all the rest of you - thanks for doing this podcast. I'm a layman and I think your work and expertise are invaluable.
Where I live (Indiana), teacher and staff shortages (due to quarantine and isolation) are what caused the schools to close. The county wants to keep them open, but doesn't have the resources to do so.
If the virus is so bad,why would a parent want to send their children to school,,
Pretty cool to see a bunch of virologists with big smiles on their faces discussing memory B cell counts... :)
Hopefully the nurses at the same hospital are likewise taking care of themselves AND given the opportunity to do so - letting them go out to their cars to eat.
I like how you have the books in the back, and the virus drawings. This really shows you are doctors!
Lol
Fake computer drawings you mean? lol
What you are making fun of should be the subject of sketch comedy satire. I envision props such as enormous bookshelf hats (real-looking but featherlight) which dwarf their wearer.
I continue to be amazed that all of the pre-exposure and post-exposure early interventions that have promise are being ignored. Certainly the evidence is not air-tight, but you're picking up a $100 bill in front of a tricycle, not a penny in front of a freight train!
Which early interventions are you speaking of? I did not understand your comment about the tricycle. Example - my Dr. told me to follow EVMS protocol which includes oral zinc & famotidine.
@@marg716 To understand the tricycle analogy, think about the risk of doing something not at all risky, but with a possible huge reward (if the tricycle hits you, it will do no damage, but either way, you're able to pick-up the $100 bill). In the Covid-19 arena for instance, you could take ivermectin, a drug that has been around for 20 years with a known safety record (tricycle) and has shown promise as a prophylactic against Covid-19 and maybe save you from serious disease (the $100). It's used in other countries, but not mentioned by this mainstream-only physician (and most other mainstream-only physicians that march to the beat of big medi-business). Zinc and an ionaphor? Ignored, but decent evidence. Bromhexine, again, that one is over-the-counter everywhere except the US and UK, has shown some promise in other countries, but ignored here in the US.
@@sengsational Well said, the mainstream physicians are verboten (not permitted) to mention antiviral treatments that work in the early viral replication stage of this diease, especially DWSNBN (The Drug Which Shall Not Be Named).
Really glad I listened to this a second time! Got way more out of it the 2nd time around.
3 hours... I'm in, but I don't think I can finish this in one sitting without getting overwhelmed, but I can only imagine how much mental fortitude Vince has to have in order to get through ALL of his podcasts.
Very nice painting of Salvador Dali 'the presistense of memory' big fan of Salvador Dali. And of course twiv
I was going to point this out too. Very clever...
Yes, that was a nice touch.
Brianne, your smile lights my day. Wishing you all the best.
This is so informative ... understanding a layered immune response in terms of timing, and magnitude of inoculum. Can Dr Mina’s CT test be self administered by all the people in the vaccine trial? Seems that would be an easy way to test infectivity every week. Or at least test track a thousand people in the trial if not everyone
Thank you for this podcast...I have learned so much from listening. especially from Dr. Griffin and Vincent's talks.
Just donated😉 . Every time I watch Dr Griffin’s part , I feel a bit of my anxiety is lessened although I am also realizing some of the areas we have at work has risk, the lunchroom. Even though everyone answer the COVID-19 clearance before work , it’s not a guarantee. I get anxious when too many staff are in the lunchroom. I work in the 13 operating room surgery center and we hardly leave the department.
"The silver lining of the mushroom cloud..."
That is an excellent bit of artful wording :)
Dark as hell humor😂👺😂
The ISS apps are great-- notifies when they are overhead, live images cruising over the planet....all very inspiring.
have ISS found anymore spiders on gossamer threads on the structure?
Daniel Griffin.....good job
These discussions are very helpful -- information sheds light!
Please define for lay, pro-science citizen: "Primary infection" vs. "Secondary infection" -- Meaning?
Thx. Happy Thanksgiving!
In this sense, I believe it's something like first you get COVID. Then when it beats up your immune system, bacteria go to town and complicates things giving you pneumonia, etc.
Or are you referring to 1:49:45? Here they are talking about the vaccine simulating a "primary infection" in an artificial way. When you actually catch the real virus, it will act as a "secondary infection" and then produce a separate immune memory like a "booster shot".
Thanks for posting.
fantastik program, thank you all...!
I listen to the audio Podcast only and missed the chart that outlines the phases of an infection that Vincent, Daniel and team have used. Does anyone have a link to the one they use on TWIV?
Excitingly waiting for the poem contest to be decided on. Soon?
Since early on, I've been hearing about Cameron Kyle-Sidell and his push to slow down the reflex to intubate. Lately, Kyle-Sidell has been re-tweeting a lot of Farid Jalili's tweets and Farid is now talking about serotonin excess leading to sudden declines. These are part of the treatments and discussion of treatment of Covid-19. It'd be great to hear more on this aspect!
All i need to know. thank you.
Shane Crotty. What a fantastic scientist and seems like a genuinely nice person.
Hope you friend recovers quick !!! How old is he ?? and any cormorbidities ?
Nice tie!
Re: Brennan, wouldn't it be Pope Francis to make such a proclamation about what is morally acceptable for Catholics?
I not even a doctor and I am more interested in this than Netflix movies. Also I donated $450.00 the the Parasites without borders as a way to say thanks to your program. You can be my doctor anytime. I was a Medic in Vietnam so I got some medical trainings
thank you
What was the phrase that Daniel mentioned 24 minutes into this video ? It sounded like "benlinivumab access centres". I have no idea what he was talking about there...
I just found out how to spell the mystery word and what it does. The spelling is Bamlanivimab and it is a Monoclonal Antibody from Eli Lilly. It needs to be delivered using a 3 hour infusion process in the early viral replication phase of COVID-19. It seems this product produces neutralizing antibodies.
TWiV with my turkey! 🍷
My only complaint is of the complaint about the complaints, I’m completely complaining about that! Take my complaint seriously, please! No more complaints about the complaining, it would lead me to only complain more.. ;) love your show!
Oh, I hadn't realized I got a D. Griffin autograph. Haven't scrolled down far enough...
Will any of the vaccines give T cell and B cell immunity, or just antibody immunity, or both?
1:53:30 I think Dickson poses a great question. If the brunt of Asymptomatics don't produce a notable response to the virus, and this translates to a LOW MEMORY, then what's to say they will produce a notable response to the "decoy virus" and not be re-infected and spread the real virus indefinitely for life?
On that note, what if a brunt of the "second wave" consists of first wave asymptomatics (with low memory) getting reinfected due to low anti-body production. I mean, if I was an immune system, I wouldn't spend resources to make a whole bunch of memory and blockades for something that doesn't do anything to my host. It wouldn't be worth the effort.
If hemagglutination occur we must avoid low blood temperature in cappilaires
Did intubated patients have low temperature at lung(pulmonary)level?
Since some of the highest frequencies of neanderthal alleles are found in Italy and Spain (southern Europe in general), it makes me wonder if the association is really causal or just a coincidence with the worst affected areas. Hopefully they did whatever would be the adequate correction to the sampling to avoid this.
What if you take both the Moderna AND the Phizer vaccine?
Will you develop both a good anti-body as well as T-cell response?
In principle this should cover each individual person's potential "weakness" and you may get 99% efficacy or something?
Are Long Haulers infectious as long as they're symptomatic? If not, when are they no longer infectious?
0:33 start of Daniel Griffin update
Oh, gez. Now I am in love with Vincent. Vegetarian? Holy cripes. I do think about the primates used in trails as well as other mammals. Maybe someday we'll get a computer model that we don't have to do this. I am just addicted to this show and look forward to each and every session.
Do deep Africans who don't have H.n.'s genetics get SARS-CoV-2 at a different rate?
Regarding the rabbits, is that what happened to the resolution of the 1918 flu?
Whoo hoo! Let’s go!!!
Any thoughts why convalescent plasma antibodies, are effective in netutralizing the virus , yet it doesn't improve patient outcome? Why does it cause clotting (hypercoagulable)/Thrombosis? Is it a function of the treatment in general, or is it something special about covid? What about the use of monoclonal antibodies?
Or thoughts on George Church's DIY Rapid Deployment Vaccine Collaborative (RaDVaC)?
Can Dextran40 prevent or cure hemagglutination?
Love the viral artwork😊
Atypical secondaries are a sure thing with certain profiles. Know your patient and have an associated probability model
Akiko Iwasaki has a good idea on IL6 dynamics. Good to have top quality intellects in virology.
1:49:00 what is known about vaccines and the risk of those hypothetical "hidden symptoms" of asymptomatic SARS-cov-2 infections? Higher risk of heart attack and maybe other things related to epithelial tissue damage. Theoretically the vaccine would make the asymptomatic infections even milder in this kind of damage, if that's real, but I'd guess that it's perhaps wiser to wait for sterilizing vaccines before exposing oneself too much, rather than seeing infections as beneficial boosts. I wonder how much is known about this kind of thing, if there are confirmed excess deaths or some other occurrence in people who had asymptomatic infection versus those who hadn't. Maybe there's some prior predisposition to both, but maybe not enough to explain totally.
Love the chattiness!
The biggest nonesense on planet earth:
1) Exosome theory vs Virus theory
www.bitchute.com/video/5r11XbUsLsdG/ (9 min)
2) Articles on the germ theory, infectious diseases and immunity
whatreallymakesyouill.com/germ-theory-html/
whatreallymakesyouill.com/infectious-diseases-dispelling-the-myths/
whatreallymakesyouill.com/antibodies-immunity-dispelling-two-more-myths/
3) Dr Thomas Cowan MD interviews, watch one or more (1+ hour interviews):
ruclips.net/video/KGIzWjjkpNk/видео.html (1h30)
ruclips.net/video/0zhKxSlx0Gs/видео.html (1h05)
ruclips.net/video/0V5QJVuHaC4/видео.html (1h23)
4) Why the PCR test can't tell you have coronavirus:
ruclips.net/video/tWvsLyefpOA/видео.html (5 min)
ruclips.net/video/3a-Tsxl1R9E/видео.html (15 min)
ruclips.net/video/NGlEljlg2v4/видео.html (10 min)
5) Samuel Eckert asks Swiss Prof. Marcel Tanner where is the proof of the virus isolate
ruclips.net/video/bTskbrNGoFY/видео.html (14 min)
6) Dr Anrew Kaufman about the science behind virus isolation and Koch's postulates
Must watch: www.andrewkaufmanmd.com/the-rooster-in-the-river-of-rats/ (35 min) (youtube link if you prefer to speed up the playback: ruclips.net/video/Z4Za6uNAFvM/видео.html)
Are viruses actually exosomes? ruclips.net/video/TisUXVRA678/видео.html (14 min)
7) Dr Andrew Kaufman and Dr Thomas Cowan
ruclips.net/video/eRxWJfQHsXY/видео.html (1h13)
8) Dr Stefan Lanka (mircobiologist) - Why HIV has never been isolated (1994). Same story as covid.
ruclips.net/video/W08qjvrbtnc/видео.html (19 min)
Stefan Lanka, articles:
wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/Dismantling-the-Virus-Theory.pdf
www.globalresearch.ca/dr-stefan-lanka-2020-article-busts-virus-misconception/5719146
9) Viral Misconceptions - Presentation on The True Nature of Viruses. Great video.
ruclips.net/video/MtWYQS3LFlE/видео.html
Books:
------
Béchamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology - Ethel D. Hume / R. Pearson (1923/1942)
The poisoned needle - McBean (1954)
The Great AIDS hoax - TC Fry (1990)
The private science of Louis Pasteur - Geison (1995)
Good-bye Germ Theory - Trebing (2004)
Virus Mania - Engelbrecht (2007/2020)
What really makes you ill - Parker/Lester (2020)
The Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life - A. Firstenberg (2020)
The Contagion Myth - Dr Thomas Cowan MD (2020)
You guys should talk about binary weapons
If some IgM induced by SARS COV2 are cryoglobulins like, If we put a droop of blood from the finger on a lamell, we will see hemagglutination like aspect.
Question: Parasites are hard to kill for a lot of reasons as are viruses. Some parasites have a cloak of invisibility that is attacked then the body can defend itself. Is the bodies reaction against an exposed parasite by some random anti parasitic a useful prep for the body to defend itself. If asymptomatic contagion results an anti parasitic might be counter productive for society. India, Africa, SE Asia might have paradoxical responses.
In the news DNA researchers are now sequencing soup of DNA and finding unexpected pathogens.
Ok, it seems that we have the vaccines which show a 95% efficacy, etc. Pretty amazing. However, my personal opinion is that a scientific opinion should be sober and that means, from my point of view which is from a lay person, that to conclude the success of these vaccines we should wait a year, two, four up to 10, and then we could be more confident.
@@Shelmerdine745 ...I would agree, knowing the urgency to stop the pandemic, to run the risk of having vaccines produced in a short time, however, the opinions of the media and scientific commentators should stay on the side of caution.
If you'd like to wait that long, be my guest. Once I'm vaccinated, the stupidity of others won't be an issue for me.
Can hemagglutination induce microcoagulation?
@@InternetOfGames at capillary level, in case of low temperature of blood, induced by, cryoglobuline like, If
finger capillaires have blood at low temperature.
A blood drop put on a cold glass in case of cryoglobuline level can induce a vizibile aspect of hemaglutination in a minute.
At microscope we can see erytrocyte agregation like rolls ,If blood temperature decrease.
@@InternetOfGames at dermatocryoglobulin diseases capillary obstruction can occur
@@InternetOfGames hemagglutination ,,in vitro,, can be reversibile and depend of temperature
Low temperature can increase erytrocyte agregation If some antynucleocapside (?) antybody increase.
@@InternetOfGames În Mycoplasma interstititial pneumonia some,, low temperature agglutinine,, sometimes occur.
The trials have to continue to develop durability metrics. At some point who pays?
My backup plan is the venspirator.
Is that a new bow tie? It looks like a bunch of SARS-CoV-2 virions!
It is not amazing efficacy if you understand the mechanisms.
Vaccine induced autoimmunity?
There's no strict meaning of what are "neanderthal genes." 99,999999% of the alleles are shared. There are genes thought to possibly be considered of neanderthal origin in Africa, but some people consider those may be really just ancestral genes shared both by the ancestors of humans and neanderthals, so they exclude those. Under this assumption, it seems East Asians have the highest frequencies of neanderthal alleles. Under a less strict criterion, it would be people from Southern Europe, Middle-East, and the Mediterranean, if I recall.
As a long hauler, I'll wait to see if anyone braver than I have a negative reaction. My autoimmune response isn't up to par. My immune system seems to have gone awry.
You're not alone.
What will happen to the deniers when they start getting sick. CNN piece interviewing a nurse talking about cases of people denying it to the end unfortunately
@@Shelmerdine745 Right... because that does nothing at all
@@Shelmerdine745 I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure the whole HCQ thing wasn't started by Trump. There were early reports of it being effective to some degree, though not definitive obviously. Subsequent research results were mixed if my memory serves me. Not sure why it's always about Trump though? This whole thing is global.
@@toby9999 She has a political agenda, not a public health agenda. But large-dose calcifediol treatment is showing to have much more impact in hospitalized patients than HCQ ever did.
Nobody denies people getting sick, the cause the big question
1) Exosome theory vs Virus theory
www.bitchute.com/video/5r11XbUsLsdG/ (9 min)
2) Articles on the germ theory, infectious diseases and immunity
whatreallymakesyouill.com/germ-theory-html/
whatreallymakesyouill.com/infectious-diseases-dispelling-the-myths/
whatreallymakesyouill.com/antibodies-immunity-dispelling-two-more-myths/
3) Dr Thomas Cowan MD interviews, watch one or more (1+ hour interviews):
ruclips.net/video/KGIzWjjkpNk/видео.html (1h30)
ruclips.net/video/0zhKxSlx0Gs/видео.html (1h05)
ruclips.net/video/0V5QJVuHaC4/видео.html (1h23)
4) Why the PCR test can't tell you have coronavirus:
ruclips.net/video/tWvsLyefpOA/видео.html (5 min)
ruclips.net/video/3a-Tsxl1R9E/видео.html (15 min)
ruclips.net/video/NGlEljlg2v4/видео.html (10 min)
5) Samuel Eckert asks Swiss Prof. Marcel Tanner where is the proof of the virus isolate
ruclips.net/video/bTskbrNGoFY/видео.html (14 min)
6) Dr Anrew Kaufman about the science behind virus isolation and Koch's postulates
Must watch: www.andrewkaufmanmd.com/the-rooster-in-the-river-of-rats/ (35 min) (youtube link if you prefer to speed up the playback: ruclips.net/video/Z4Za6uNAFvM/видео.html)
Are viruses actually exosomes? ruclips.net/video/TisUXVRA678/видео.html (14 min)
7) Dr Andrew Kaufman and Dr Thomas Cowan
ruclips.net/video/eRxWJfQHsXY/видео.html (1h13)
8) Dr Stefan Lanka (mircobiologist) - Why HIV has never been isolated (1994). Same story as covid.
ruclips.net/video/W08qjvrbtnc/видео.html (19 min)
Stefan Lanka, articles:
wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/Dismantling-the-Virus-Theory.pdf
www.globalresearch.ca/dr-stefan-lanka-2020-article-busts-virus-misconception/5719146
9) Viral Misconceptions - Presentation on The True Nature of Viruses. Great video.
ruclips.net/video/MtWYQS3LFlE/видео.html
Books:
------
Béchamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology - Ethel D. Hume / R. Pearson (1923/1942)
The poisoned needle - McBean (1954)
The Great AIDS hoax - TC Fry (1990)
The private science of Louis Pasteur - Geison (1995)
Good-bye Germ Theory - Trebing (2004)
Virus Mania - Engelbrecht (2007/2020)
What really makes you ill - Parker/Lester (2020)
The Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life - A. Firstenberg (2020)
The Contagion Myth - Dr Thomas Cowan MD (2020)
CNN interviews the dumbest, most scared nurses.. 31% of nurses as of Dec 1st aren't sure if they want the vaccine. abc13.com/covid-19-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-pfizer-healthcare-workers/8421752/ it's a no-brainer to wait for trials, unless you are really at a dangerous age/health risk. Talk to some high IQ medical staff in ICU rooms pls
People should know how the vaccines are made especially if it goes against their religious/biblical views. Why would you laugh? I found that to be in poor taste. Let us know how they are made and we will make a decision based on that. Yes, if it is that important to you, your religious leaders should have a published list. We can question how things are done and not be anti-vaxxers at the same time.
Dr G - why does ProHealth charge $300 for a visit to get a COVID 19 pcr test in Riverhead (no charge for the actual test) on my 16 yo daughter (needed it for work)?
Hopefully you can get the teachers unions across this country to listen to this and convinced them that schools are the safest place for the kids. And I just want to give a shout out to Daniel because I really appreciate his non political Communication to us all. It really does make listening to This Podcast so much more Enjoyable without distraction of something that has nothing to do with the science of this. If I wanted to hear politics and go straight to the news! Because There's more than enough there! Regardless of what the incredible Vincent and team has to say about it! I've attempted to share You're Podcast in the past with social media and the biggest complaint I get is the part where they have to go Through all the political commentary.
How does Dr Griffin feel about WHO not showing confidence in Remdesivir, he has seemed happy to extol its virtues ?
The pharmaceutical guys have a puppet show..how nice.
Ban
Supply is low, gone soon and useless.
Like your podcast but way too long
You don't have to listen to all of it. Or all at once.
That’s how podcasts work
viruses mutate, right?...so at what rate does this particular "Corona virus" mutate?🤔...and that being said, how effective are vaccines against such "mutating viruses?"...so, yes the flu vaccine is changed to accommodate the changing flu virus strains?...and last, but most definitely NOT least...is it truly wise for a human being to be injected with "nanotechnology?"🤔...I am genuinely seeking answers, thank you
Lay person responding here. It is my understanding that SARS-CoV-2 does not mutate much with only minor differences and there are only a few mutations (under 10). Based upon listening to various experts over the months. I have not had a recent update on the concern in Denmark.
@@alowry2002 from one lay person to another, thank you for your response
@@ChiDraconis ok,and are those "quantum effects" known?
@@ChiDraconis LOL...well, I'm certainly no "rocket scientist," and definitely not a "virologist," but I think I understand exactly what you're saying here 😉...LOL,and I also believe that I am considered an "EOS."...but that's neither here, nor there...time will tell the Truth on everyone and everything 💯, I just might not be here to witness it
@@ChiDraconis LOL...I'm picking up on some sarcasm...nonetheless, I don't blindly believe what our government and media feed us, I do however believe Biblical Prophecy, and I believe what has been revealed about this fallen world and the evil agendas of the puppets of satan,and his cohorts. All one really has to do is look into the "World Health Organization, The World Economic Forum, United Nations, The Builderburg Group, The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Rothschild, Rockefeller, I mean the list goes on and on...but to simplify all of it, just read The Georgia Guide Stones,that pretty much sums it up
The restaurant (Queens, NYC) I eat at like every day these days does karaoke in the back and serves alcohol and stuff and some people there seem like nothing has changed. I feel pretty safe being served there though since they got hit and likely everyone must have serious anti-bodies. The grandfather died, the mom was sick for a month, the pop was hospitalized, and both kids tested positive for anti-bodies. Unless they hired brand new wait staff or something, I'm pretty sure everyone is "immune" for a good length of time at least. Unfortunately, it's actually uncommon to visit a restaurant here that hasn't had at least some form of episode like this to make them "safer to be served at".
The problem is that some people will remain skeptical regardless of 'data'. They are and I believe it is understandably resistant to things and "science" that they cant see. Or that for some reason they don't believe in. My way to attempt to explain these things is to start with Lady Montague who used variolation on her own sons (it was a risky process, and was before Jenner's discovery). But not everyone can understand these things. And there is also, with some, a deep seated fear of what some power group is doing. Scientists might be amazed but historians and philosophers are not. History has shown endless examples of the misuse (in some cases terrible and barbaric) of technology and 'science'. I try to persuade people rather than using Rick's "dying of gullibilty". That attitude is non productive. More people will resist it, especially many people who, say, fear the police and other authorities, not just in the US and (here in NZ) but is say Russia (where they poison people and say China where they don't allow democracy in Hong Kong (and the Government is always more or less the same) , the activities of Australian SAS who murdered children recently (there is an inquiry now) and others in Afghanistan even in recent times (in Japan, Europe, Korea & Vietnam etc the use of "precision" killing bombs, made by science) and the use of fire bombs an so on, Teller's desire to take out the USSR with his hydrogen bomb and much else). So there are people who simply do not trust science and tech. and it does depend who is in control of e.g. making vaccines. After all there is no way of proving there is no conspiracy. But my way is to suggest that a person who thinks that way takes the attitude that, on a kind of stat average, more people in medicine are probably "good", and vaccines seem to work. I take the flu vaccine each year and have had all the required jabs. But others I know refuse to believe or cannot understand what a virus is, others simply don't understand any science and never will. They will remain suspicious. More intelligent ways of convincing them are necessary. It has never been the case that vaccines are compulsory. I understand people refusing help and just letting themselves die. This is an existential choice. It is called freedom of choice. Rather than 'gullibility', there is a certain courage and nobility to such an attitude. (Although I myself support vaccines for myself and others who say have children and want to protect them etc). But to persuade people a bull-headed approach against those who are "against science" is no good.
I think it's a mistake to call anti vaxxers against science, many of them have done extensive research after having a vaccine injured child and yes it happens, not often but it does. I appreciate your comment though.
I do wish you wouldn't start the program with Daniel. There is something oft putting about listening to him espouse his wretched employer. Ugh. On a positive note, I have really started to adore Dr. Vincent. Perhaps his recent covid scare has made me sentimental.
How did the anti-vaxxer movement get started ?
I am one of the *anti-vaxxers*
Never really looked into that-in any activity there should be resistance & counter-resistance · Myself I did not want Polio Vaxx then only now find justification which incidentally matches my reasons why back then in 1956 which is few serious cases does not justify vaxxing everyone:
*doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(15)00072-9*
Thanks for posting.
The biggest nonesense on planet earth:
1) Exosome theory vs Virus theory
www.bitchute.com/video/5r11XbUsLsdG/ (9 min)
2) Articles on the germ theory, infectious diseases and immunity
whatreallymakesyouill.com/germ-theory-html/
whatreallymakesyouill.com/infectious-diseases-dispelling-the-myths/
whatreallymakesyouill.com/antibodies-immunity-dispelling-two-more-myths/
3) Dr Thomas Cowan MD interviews, watch one or more (1+ hour interviews):
ruclips.net/video/KGIzWjjkpNk/видео.html (1h30)
ruclips.net/video/0zhKxSlx0Gs/видео.html (1h05)
ruclips.net/video/0V5QJVuHaC4/видео.html (1h23)
4) Why the PCR test can't tell you have coronavirus:
ruclips.net/video/tWvsLyefpOA/видео.html (5 min)
ruclips.net/video/3a-Tsxl1R9E/видео.html (15 min)
ruclips.net/video/NGlEljlg2v4/видео.html (10 min)
5) Samuel Eckert asks Swiss Prof. Marcel Tanner where is the proof of the virus isolate
ruclips.net/video/bTskbrNGoFY/видео.html (14 min)
6) Dr Anrew Kaufman about the science behind virus isolation and Koch's postulates
Must watch: www.andrewkaufmanmd.com/the-rooster-in-the-river-of-rats/ (35 min) (youtube link if you prefer to speed up the playback: ruclips.net/video/Z4Za6uNAFvM/видео.html)
Are viruses actually exosomes? ruclips.net/video/TisUXVRA678/видео.html (14 min)
7) Dr Andrew Kaufman and Dr Thomas Cowan
ruclips.net/video/eRxWJfQHsXY/видео.html (1h13)
8) Dr Stefan Lanka (mircobiologist) - Why HIV has never been isolated (1994). Same story as covid.
ruclips.net/video/W08qjvrbtnc/видео.html (19 min)
Stefan Lanka, articles:
wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/Dismantling-the-Virus-Theory.pdf
www.globalresearch.ca/dr-stefan-lanka-2020-article-busts-virus-misconception/5719146
9) Viral Misconceptions - Presentation on The True Nature of Viruses. Great video.
ruclips.net/video/MtWYQS3LFlE/видео.html
Books:
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Béchamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology - Ethel D. Hume / R. Pearson (1923/1942)
The poisoned needle - McBean (1954)
The Great AIDS hoax - TC Fry (1990)
The private science of Louis Pasteur - Geison (1995)
Good-bye Germ Theory - Trebing (2004)
Virus Mania - Engelbrecht (2007/2020)
What really makes you ill - Parker/Lester (2020)
The Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life - A. Firstenberg (2020)
The Contagion Myth - Dr Thomas Cowan MD (2020)