I would also like to note that freeze lasts as long as the cold applied by the respective operator. For example, Kjera’s freeze lasts 2.5 seconds, while Frostleaf only lasts 1.5. If both are hitting the same target, Frostleaf can actually steal freeze from Kjera, giving you the 1.5 second freeze instead of the superior 2.5 second freeze. So in a way Frostleaf actually COUNTERS the freeze combo because her freeze is on the lower end of freeze duration.
Kjera and Aurora's freeze are longer, but Frostleaf's freeze is longer than Pramanix, Gnosis (when using auto attack), and Santalla it's not that she counters the freeze combo or that she's on the lower end, but rather she's just middle-of-the-pack If you're going all-out on the freeze combo, I'd recommend placing Aurora and Kjera in front of her so don't always prioritize the same enemies as Frostleaf, Santalla and Pramanix next to her, and Gnosis in front for his Fragile: that way, you optimize their respective durations and ranges and targeting abilities. While you're at it, though, if you really want to go all-out on freeze combo, also bring Angelina along for the ASPD buff to effectively triple Kjera's freeze chance.
She would work perfectly if they allow her to hit twice per attack, making the second hit a little weaker than the first so that her innitial talent would be a little more useful. or make her ranged attacks to rickochet, it would be anything instead of what they did.
Imma rant nonsense in ur comments for a bit cause I know too much about frostleaf Nitpick 1 Frostleaf gains 8 ASPD from her pots so she doesn't have an attack interval of 1.45, it's 1.35ish If she had the other module it would reduce her interval to 1.2ish Whether her attack interval is 1.35 or 1.2 it will still take 4 attacks before her s1 activates As she is right now if you use frostleaf you can see that her 3rd attack starts 0.1 seconds before her S1 charges. If she attacks a little faster it would just start 0.4 seconds before he s1 charges. If you want to maximize S1 skill uptime you either need 0.1SP/second (so Ptilo ) or to REDUCE her ASPD. If she doesn't have her talent POT her 3rd attack WOULD be the one that casts her s1. This still wouldn't produce 100% uptime because SP lockout is a thing (bar going orange while skill is used, meaning you can't gain any SP in that window) Nitpick 2 Why exactly would her cold debuff be worse at long distance? This makes no sense to me You have 2 cars in City A, They want to go to City B which is 2 tiles Away Both cars travel at a speed of 1 tile per hour Car 1 leaves at time 0 Car 2 leaves 1 FROSTLEAF ATTACK INTERVAL later Car 1 Arrives at City B at time 2 Car 2 Arrives at City B at Time 2 + 1 FROSTLEAF ATTACK INTERVAL But what if they want to go to City Z instead Which is 3 tiles away Somehow Car 1 would still arrive at the expected time 3 But Car 2 would arrive at Time 3 + ONE FROSTLEAF ATTACK INTERVAL LATER + some Extra duration that shows up from nowhere Obviously the gap between attacks won't change based on distance alone. What would change the gap is a moving target. If it moves towards frostleaf it will shorten the gap between the two attacks because the distance would change between the FROSTLEAF ATTACK INTERVAL And if it moves away the Distance would increase. That works the same if the enemy is on the edge of her range or right next to her though. Subjective Nitpick - I don't think this is actually subjective but I can't be bothered to write out a 3 page essay to defend my claim so I'll concede to calling it subjective because i'm lazy Why is her S1 the "better" skill? The choice is essentially between S1 - Bad uptime No damage and Bad slow or S2 Bad uptime no damage and Sorta ok Slow and Bind for a 4*
The things that put me off the most is HG still coping that Frostleaft Crowd-Control ability is good enough to justify her getting an ASDP debuff from her E2 & not so long enough Cold effect No, it's not. Her Crowd-Control ability is very bad. See Qiubai right there? She has 20/23% chance to Binds & her S3 further increased the chance because of the ASPD + multi-target hits. Even then, her Crowd-Control ability is still not something you can relay. She is the best Guards with Crowd-Control ability. Now Frostleaf? Giving slow to an enemy (that is not even each hit) is not Crowd-Control. Decel-Binder are not even good at it, but since they are Supporter so why not? (& Keep in mind they have skills to make their slow more reliable) But Frostleaf is a Guard that has small DPS & the only niche she got is slow & you're telling me her ASPD debuff & short Cold is justified? No, absolutely no
I hate how HG making operators modules Some already broken operators like Ling got the over the top broken modules While weak operators like Frostleaf got the most baffling watered down module ever (should've just removed the penalty instead cold chance tbh -_-)
Hypergryph is known for not tampering with characters directly after release via nerfs and buffs and reworks and such, but I think we can all agree that like everything, there can be exceptions to this rule with some characters like Tsukinogi or Frostleaf.
Personally i think they should make a bold move and change her talent instead of fixing her with module. We could have smth like this: E1: Attacks have 25% chance to apply cold for 2s E2: Range expands, attacks have 30% chance to apply cold for 2s That will make her a little bit more viable at lower levels + might be good introduction to cold mechanics (from our side not only as enemies) if they give her as a free reward during early chapters. Then they may leave her with module X that would add more cold at lvl 2 and 3 (+5-10% per level)
AK are doing ok music/art and sometimes good story, but thats it. It is exceedingly rare to see a module, where person designing it understands, how given operator works. This is how solid staller like Ethan becomes virtually guarantee staller for unlimited targets, while Frostleaf cant stall one. It is NOT that someone loves Ethan and hates Frostleaf, it is that devs DO NOT play their game anymore. This out-of-touch is typical with long running games.
I hope Lor-Y follows this recipe: Lor-Y module 3 Aspd +12 when there are 2 or more enemies in range Atk +65 Def +45 Attack range expands, attack will now deals an additional arts damage equals to 50% of Frostleaf Atk, attack interval reduced slightly (-0,15s) This would've been far better than her Lor-X module
İ think that was done on purpose, for fun , they now about her 100%, no f ing way they don't know that she has a problemo in aspd, thats is sad to be honest, sooo many litle problems in 5 or 4 stars kits (example Dagda, love that character especially the BRİTİSH accent) has god talent, great skil concept BUT do you know the ATK multipliers of S2 at M3? F KİNG 35% AKT BUFF, if they just chanje 1 thing , not skills talents, just the main problem that woud be nice, in case of dagda , just a bit atk% more like 55 or 60, skill uptime is S hİT. i know Dagda talent its rng, croos has same talent and we have now 4 star croos, her name is Caper, and we love croos. -Guys we hawe silver ash, thorns what module we give them? hmmmmmm LETS MAKE THEM EVEN STRONGER YAAY problem solved , 4 star? don't care. whait qubai have aspd buff in her kit? pffff addd more, not enough, -but what about frostlea... -What did you say? -frostleaf -i can't hear you ,louder -FROST... -puls out shotgun and shots his employee.
I'm sorry fellow Frostleaf bros, but HG missed from the start. A module could never fix her broken fundamentals. We can only hope for a good alter. Not even the 6-star Frostleaf (Qiubai) is any good at single target crowd control. It's a fundamentally cursed role. All that role accomplishes is bunching up the enemies. Something a decel binder does with normal attacks. At least Qiubai has damage going for her when paired with Suzuran. A module was never going to fix Frostleaf :'( At least arts damage and freeze are flavorful. Which is Frostleaf's charm anyway. (Because it sure wasn't the gameplay)
I don't know why so many people seem to be overly upset over Frostleaf in particular. HG has been shitting on ops since the module system was created. Frostleaf wasn't the first, and she wont be the last operator to get a useless, purposefully shitty module. Roberta, NCD, Franka, Tsukinogi, Whislash, Mint, Santalla, Saga, Earthspirit, Reed, Iris, Pramanix, Jessica, Waai Fu, Quibai, and the worst offender in Carnelian. And the other multitudes of failed modules HG has released. Why anyone is calling out Frostleafs garbage module over any of the other garbage modules doesn't really make sense. It's not an issue with Frostleaf, it's an issue with the entire system. Arknights module system is arguably one of the worst upgrade systems in a video game.
No, it's because it doesn't really do anything to address the downsides of Mystic Casters in general and for Iris specifically it completely ignored the sleep aspect of her kit; which is the niche that Iris holds. She's essentially the 5* Nuke Mystic, but you'll rarely see the full benefit of your investment because the module does nothing to make that possible in a practical sense. Mystics biggest issue is wasting their charges on enemies they don't need to burst. The module does nothing to fix that. So the reality of Iris getting the full benefit of 4 stored attacks is even less frequent than the rarity of hitting all 3 on an intended target. The percentage increase from the talent is even more lackluster because of that. Iris' role of a nuker only became even more situational than it already was, and the damage increase she did received still comes at the cost of squad damage. And her role as a sleeper didn't received a single buff.
The fact that you where expecting anything to begin with is concerning IMO, like, even if they gave her a module that was Gladiia-level of broken, wich they obviousely wouldn't for a 4star, she still would suck...
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Poor little ferret.
At this point the best we can hope for Frostleaf is that she gets a 5* alter at some point.
Watch her be the first operator to get an alter with a lower rarity. 1* Frostleaf Alter.
I would also like to note that freeze lasts as long as the cold applied by the respective operator. For example, Kjera’s freeze lasts 2.5 seconds, while Frostleaf only lasts 1.5. If both are hitting the same target, Frostleaf can actually steal freeze from Kjera, giving you the 1.5 second freeze instead of the superior 2.5 second freeze.
So in a way Frostleaf actually COUNTERS the freeze combo because her freeze is on the lower end of freeze duration.
Kjera and Aurora's freeze are longer, but Frostleaf's freeze is longer than Pramanix, Gnosis (when using auto attack), and Santalla
it's not that she counters the freeze combo or that she's on the lower end, but rather she's just middle-of-the-pack
If you're going all-out on the freeze combo, I'd recommend placing Aurora and Kjera in front of her so don't always prioritize the same enemies as Frostleaf, Santalla and Pramanix next to her, and Gnosis in front for his Fragile: that way, you optimize their respective durations and ranges and targeting abilities.
While you're at it, though, if you really want to go all-out on freeze combo, also bring Angelina along for the ASPD buff to effectively triple Kjera's freeze chance.
She would work perfectly if they allow her to hit twice per attack, making the second hit a little weaker than the first so that her innitial talent would be a little more useful. or make her ranged attacks to rickochet, it would be anything instead of what they did.
I'll never forgive the HG for how they massacred Frostleaf!
Imma rant nonsense in ur comments for a bit cause I know too much about frostleaf
Nitpick 1
Frostleaf gains 8 ASPD from her pots so she doesn't have an attack interval of 1.45, it's 1.35ish
If she had the other module it would reduce her interval to 1.2ish
Whether her attack interval is 1.35 or 1.2 it will still take 4 attacks before her s1 activates
As she is right now if you use frostleaf you can see that her 3rd attack starts 0.1 seconds before her S1 charges.
If she attacks a little faster it would just start 0.4 seconds before he s1 charges.
If you want to maximize S1 skill uptime you either need 0.1SP/second (so Ptilo ) or to REDUCE her ASPD. If she doesn't have her talent POT her 3rd attack WOULD be the one that casts her s1. This still wouldn't produce 100% uptime because SP lockout is a thing (bar going orange while skill is used, meaning you can't gain any SP in that window)
Nitpick 2
Why exactly would her cold debuff be worse at long distance?
This makes no sense to me
You have 2 cars in City A, They want to go to City B which is 2 tiles Away
Both cars travel at a speed of 1 tile per hour
Car 1 leaves at time 0
Car 2 leaves 1 FROSTLEAF ATTACK INTERVAL later
Car 1 Arrives at City B at time 2
Car 2 Arrives at City B at Time 2 + 1 FROSTLEAF ATTACK INTERVAL
But what if they want to go to City Z instead Which is 3 tiles away
Somehow Car 1 would still arrive at the expected time 3
But Car 2 would arrive at Time 3 + ONE FROSTLEAF ATTACK INTERVAL LATER + some Extra duration that shows up from nowhere
Obviously the gap between attacks won't change based on distance alone.
What would change the gap is a moving target.
If it moves towards frostleaf it will shorten the gap between the two attacks because the distance would change between the FROSTLEAF ATTACK INTERVAL
And if it moves away the Distance would increase.
That works the same if the enemy is on the edge of her range or right next to her though.
Subjective Nitpick - I don't think this is actually subjective but I can't be bothered to write out a 3 page essay to defend my claim so I'll concede to calling it subjective because i'm lazy
Why is her S1 the "better" skill?
The choice is essentially between S1 - Bad uptime No damage and Bad slow or S2 Bad uptime no damage and Sorta ok Slow and Bind for a 4*
The things that put me off the most is HG still coping that Frostleaft Crowd-Control ability is good enough to justify her getting an ASDP debuff from her E2 & not so long enough Cold effect
No, it's not. Her Crowd-Control ability is very bad. See Qiubai right there? She has 20/23% chance to Binds & her S3 further increased the chance because of the ASPD + multi-target hits. Even then, her Crowd-Control ability is still not something you can relay. She is the best Guards with Crowd-Control ability.
Now Frostleaf? Giving slow to an enemy (that is not even each hit) is not Crowd-Control. Decel-Binder are not even good at it, but since they are Supporter so why not? (& Keep in mind they have skills to make their slow more reliable) But Frostleaf is a Guard that has small DPS & the only niche she got is slow & you're telling me her ASPD debuff & short Cold is justified? No, absolutely no
It's pretty funny when Earthspirit, for all her faults, can do the slowing job far more reliably with no need for external assistance
honestly i don't even mind if she get 100% slow per attack since she's just that bad dps and crowd control wise
I hate how HG making operators modules
Some already broken operators like Ling got the over the top broken modules
While weak operators like Frostleaf got the most baffling watered down module ever (should've just removed the penalty instead cold chance tbh -_-)
Hypergryph is known for not tampering with characters directly after release via nerfs and buffs and reworks and such, but I think we can all agree that like everything, there can be exceptions to this rule with some characters like Tsukinogi or Frostleaf.
Tsukonogi actually got a buff post release. Her archetype had no trait until Młynar Banner.
@@januszpolak254 yeah but doesnt her uptime on both skills are still kinda bad? She could use more buffs
I mean they do give her 8 aspd from potentials make the attack interval to 1.35 sec but that wasn't enough
They are purposely making her bad so you can look forward to Frostleaf-Alter whom will break the game.
real cant wait for frostleaf the whirlwind of frost to come out and out dps wisadel
Frostleaf alter better be Frostnova 2.0 or something
My only idea to fix her was to have her ranged attacks on skill pierce like Ifrit lol
Sadly I don't see them buffing her since shes a four star, I'm pretty disappointed to see how badly they screwed her again.
Personally i think they should make a bold move and change her talent instead of fixing her with module.
We could have smth like this:
E1: Attacks have 25% chance to apply cold for 2s
E2: Range expands, attacks have 30% chance to apply cold for 2s
That will make her a little bit more viable at lower levels + might be good introduction to cold mechanics (from our side not only as enemies) if they give her as a free reward during early chapters.
Then they may leave her with module X that would add more cold at lvl 2 and 3 (+5-10% per level)
haizz poor girl :
i immediately knew who it is by the title alone lol
AK are doing ok music/art and sometimes good story, but thats it.
It is exceedingly rare to see a module, where person designing it understands, how given operator works.
This is how solid staller like Ethan becomes virtually guarantee staller for unlimited targets, while Frostleaf cant stall one.
It is NOT that someone loves Ethan and hates Frostleaf, it is that devs DO NOT play their game anymore. This out-of-touch is typical with long running games.
I hope Lor-Y follows this recipe:
Lor-Y module 3
Aspd +12 when there are 2 or more enemies in range
Atk +65
Def +45
Attack range expands, attack will now deals an additional arts damage equals to 50% of Frostleaf Atk, attack interval reduced slightly (-0,15s)
This would've been far better than her Lor-X module
Poor frostleaf my girl deserves some love ;-;
still coping that she'll be the first 4* that have multiple module.
5* alter waiting club
classic HG either balancing something that is mid too hard or not even trying and making shit as is
i call RIOT storm the hypergryph hq
Fr, sticking frostnova and ice tomahawk everywhere in hyperglyph HQ
Unfortunately giving buff to lower star operators doesnt benefit their gacha business.
oof. Feels 4 star man.
Estelle also got done dirty.
Old Operqtor support really is very lackluster, sadly.
İ think that was done on purpose, for fun , they now about her 100%, no f ing way they don't know that she has a problemo in aspd, thats is sad to be honest,
sooo many litle problems in 5 or 4 stars kits (example Dagda, love that character especially the BRİTİSH accent) has god talent, great skil concept BUT do you know the ATK multipliers of S2 at M3? F KİNG 35% AKT BUFF, if they just chanje 1 thing , not skills talents, just the main problem that woud be nice, in case of dagda , just a bit atk% more like 55 or 60, skill uptime is S hİT. i know Dagda talent its rng, croos has same talent and we have now 4 star croos, her name is Caper, and we love croos.
-Guys we hawe silver ash, thorns what module we give them? hmmmmmm LETS MAKE THEM EVEN STRONGER YAAY problem solved , 4 star? don't care.
whait qubai have aspd buff in her kit? pffff addd more, not enough,
-but what about frostlea...
-What did you say?
-frostleaf
-i can't hear you ,louder
-FROST...
-puls out shotgun and shots his employee.
I'm sorry fellow Frostleaf bros, but HG missed from the start. A module could never fix her broken fundamentals. We can only hope for a good alter.
Not even the 6-star Frostleaf (Qiubai) is any good at single target crowd control. It's a fundamentally cursed role. All that role accomplishes is bunching up the enemies. Something a decel binder does with normal attacks. At least Qiubai has damage going for her when paired with Suzuran. A module was never going to fix Frostleaf :'(
At least arts damage and freeze are flavorful. Which is Frostleaf's charm anyway. (Because it sure wasn't the gameplay)
I don't know why so many people seem to be overly upset over Frostleaf in particular. HG has been shitting on ops since the module system was created. Frostleaf wasn't the first, and she wont be the last operator to get a useless, purposefully shitty module. Roberta, NCD, Franka, Tsukinogi, Whislash, Mint, Santalla, Saga, Earthspirit, Reed, Iris, Pramanix, Jessica, Waai Fu, Quibai, and the worst offender in Carnelian. And the other multitudes of failed modules HG has released.
Why anyone is calling out Frostleafs garbage module over any of the other garbage modules doesn't really make sense. It's not an issue with Frostleaf, it's an issue with the entire system. Arknights module system is arguably one of the worst upgrade systems in a video game.
I am biased towards the character i like the most.
And Frostleaf has the longest track record of getting screwed over
@@Dark-Frostleaf that's fair. I just wish the community called out all of the failings. Even though that's a mountain of a task for anyone to take on.
Why is Iris' module bad? Doesn't work with the sleep thing?
No, it's because it doesn't really do anything to address the downsides of Mystic Casters in general and for Iris specifically it completely ignored the sleep aspect of her kit; which is the niche that Iris holds. She's essentially the 5* Nuke Mystic, but you'll rarely see the full benefit of your investment because the module does nothing to make that possible in a practical sense.
Mystics biggest issue is wasting their charges on enemies they don't need to burst. The module does nothing to fix that. So the reality of Iris getting the full benefit of 4 stored attacks is even less frequent than the rarity of hitting all 3 on an intended target. The percentage increase from the talent is even more lackluster because of that.
Iris' role of a nuker only became even more situational than it already was, and the damage increase she did received still comes at the cost of squad damage. And her role as a sleeper didn't received a single buff.
Calling Franka and Qiubai module useless and purposefully shitty when they're one of the few legitimately decent module upgrades is crazy lol
The fact that you where expecting anything to begin with is concerning IMO, like, even if they gave her a module that was Gladiia-level of broken, wich they obviousely wouldn't for a 4star, she still would suck...