How to Make a Language - Part 8: Writing Systems

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  • @seanswalling1343
    @seanswalling1343 6 лет назад +1420

    This was the best conlang series I have seen. No one really goes into as much depth of language evolution as you did. This was fantastic and is surely making my language come out better. Thank You.

    • @Biblaridion
      @Biblaridion  6 лет назад +178

      Thanks very much! I hope you find it useful.

    • @trial5269
      @trial5269 6 лет назад +41

      I second that, I've been in love with conlangs (and regular languages) for about a year now but I've had difficulty actually making one until I watched through this series. Thank you!

    • @MisterSketch4
      @MisterSketch4 5 лет назад +13

      I wholeheartedly agree. This was so helpful in conlanging.

    • @draco5991rep
      @draco5991rep 5 лет назад +24

      I can recommend Artifexian as a addition to this series. I think he has some cool additions to this Series.

    • @walmarp
      @walmarp 3 года назад +1

      I'm about 800 followers away from 1000 followers but I think it can be done

  • @violet_broregarde
    @violet_broregarde 6 лет назад +1641

    I didn't realize writing had only been independently developed 5 times. That's crazy.

    • @magiv4205
      @magiv4205 6 лет назад +246

      Yeah, humanity is very inventive but humans are lazy. If there's something we can borrow instead of having to invent ourselves, then we'll always go for that. The wheel for example has also only been invented a few seperate times, and spread through trade and contact.

    • @ineednochannelyoutube5384
      @ineednochannelyoutube5384 5 лет назад +97

      Significant populations very rarely lived in isolation, and cultural osmosis took care of the rest.
      I do wonder if runic scripts evolved from somethingnor are native to present day Russia though.

    • @alicewyan
      @alicewyan 5 лет назад +96

      @@ineednochannelyoutube5384 if you mean Northern European runes, they derive from Old Italic, through contact with early Romans

    • @pickleneck526
      @pickleneck526 5 лет назад +56

      @@magiv4205 so... no need to reinvent the wheel? ba dum tshhh*

    • @magiv4205
      @magiv4205 5 лет назад +22

      @@pickleneck526 exactly lol

  • @kovi567
    @kovi567 6 лет назад +700

    8:14 Aaaam... I think from bottom to top is more probable in this case. You don't want to climb a tree, just because you don't know how much space you will need (pretty common problem), and it may be easier to read as well, as you won't need to strain your neck too much.
    It also makes it easier for the elderly, who probably teach the language, to read from bottom up (they can sit, and it's not a problem if they are hunchback), and also for the young, who probably learn the language, because their short stature is not a problem, especially with short scripts.

    • @NicoNoFace
      @NicoNoFace 6 лет назад +167

      Also, it would be historical/cultural logical (I'm not quite sure if you can say it like this in English, my bad) because it implies the growth of plants, which are pretty important in the whole language itself.

    • @naolucille1579
      @naolucille1579 5 лет назад +43

      @@NicoNoFace Aw... now I want to change my writing system...

    • @simonw.3920
      @simonw.3920 5 лет назад +73

      Personally, I like the idea that others can potentially modify or add to the sentence as the tree grows. I think that makes things pretty interesting. I'm not sure it's intended, but that was immediately what I thought of when I heard the top -> down structure

    • @NotMeButAnother
      @NotMeButAnother 5 лет назад +52

      I respectfully disagree. The point is valid, but it seems most likely that people would naturally begin writing at eye height and then downwards as the easiest direction. I can see starting at the bottom only if these trees grew extremely fast.

    • @Okaiako
      @Okaiako 5 лет назад +19

      @@NicoNoFace my writing system is bottom to top for this reason, it's based on how things grow: up vertically... and I also have it going right to left (based on Sun's rise and set sequence East to West)

  • @garretthayden6355
    @garretthayden6355 4 года назад +179

    When developing my conlang, I gained the interest in making folk songs in the language. I hope to share it with everyone sometime!

    • @sunset_Ruby
      @sunset_Ruby 3 года назад +16

      please do!

    • @PC_Simo
      @PC_Simo 2 года назад +3

      I’m looking forward to it 👍🏻.

    • @derikduley7806
      @derikduley7806 2 года назад +3

      That would be great! I also found it a fun and easy way to progress my language by working on folk songs.

    • @finnishgermans
      @finnishgermans 2 года назад +1

      Yes.

    • @sefoveng
      @sefoveng 2 года назад +1

      I would like to read/listen to them

  • @CoopBurrito
    @CoopBurrito 6 лет назад +401

    After watching videos from you, Artifexian, and Xidnaf, as well as reading some of the Language Creation Toolkit by Mark Rosenfelder, I've ended up realizing just how much some of the early languages I've made are lacking in some things. Even one conlang that is my pride and joy has no proto-language to speak of. It may be back to the drawing board, but this has helped immensely in finding out what I need to do to make a naturalistic language.

    • @girv98
      @girv98 5 лет назад +72

      I just wanna say that it's perfectly ok and valid to not have a protolang.

    • @Alice-gr1kb
      @Alice-gr1kb 5 лет назад +29

      You don’t need a protolanguage

    • @Jeffrey6978
      @Jeffrey6978 5 лет назад +41

      Maybe that conlang could be the proto-language for a new conlang that you evolve out of it?

    • @wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus
      @wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus 5 лет назад +39

      Unpopular opinion, but I don't think that protolanguages are relevant for most conlangers. They help with having a realistic phonology and writing system, sure, but you can have all those things without one just as well. The effort spent on a protolanguage is much greater than the additional effort you need to put in for naturalism without one.

    • @quinnwilson6201
      @quinnwilson6201 2 года назад +4

      you certainly don''t have to go back to the drawing board. Turning your conlang into your protolang would help make the process much faster and simpler.

  • @laszlo_cz
    @laszlo_cz 6 лет назад +425

    The script you made looks very nice

    • @Biblaridion
      @Biblaridion  6 лет назад +113

      Thanks, I'm glad you think so. I still kind of hate it (I really rushed through it to meet my self-imposed deadline) .

    • @kieronbrown73
      @kieronbrown73 6 лет назад +15

      @@Biblaridion Thanks for this I created a language for my made up country on this

    • @kieronbrown73
      @kieronbrown73 6 лет назад +9

      For my language I used Latin letters but with a strase s:"ß"

    • @bonbonpony
      @bonbonpony 5 лет назад +21

      It looks nice, but I think it may be also hard to read, because all the characters look very similar to each other (basically some squiggles).
      There either has to be some key to them, or mnemonics, or another reform is needed - this time of the writing system :J (similar to the one Chinese Hanzhi went through).

    • @OrangeC7
      @OrangeC7 5 лет назад +17

      @@bonbonpony Perhaps the lower class overthrows the upper class and then, since there's still a bunch of illiterates in the lower class, teaches a much better writing system to them, which then becomes the default? Perhaps even better, the two writing systems evolve alongside one another, and the old "upper class" writing system is used in very formal situations, where the "lower class" system is used in more informal situations. This would be similar to the reason why, in English, the words for meats are different to the words for the animals. ("Pork", "mutton", "beef", etc. came from the word the upper class used, who rarely came in contact with the animal themselves, and "pig", "sheep", "cow", etc. came from the word the lower class used, who was basically always in contact with the animals.)

  • @cube_cup
    @cube_cup 6 лет назад +416

    "It's no use to anyone if your romanisation system is just as weird as your spelling system"
    Romanisation:"Why can't you just be normal?"
    Hanyu Pinyin: *Zhqreamzh*

    • @TaiFerret
      @TaiFerret 6 лет назад +22

      @@nexusanphans3813
      And q is weird to everyone except the Chinese themselves.

    • @user-jr7ww2gf1h
      @user-jr7ww2gf1h 5 лет назад +9

      Or my language: Kgugh

    • @FakeGuthix01
      @FakeGuthix01 5 лет назад +24

      @@TaiFerret q is intuitive for Albanians. It's a voiceless palatal non-sibilant affricate, which is close enough to the voiceless *aspirated* palatal sibiliant fricative in Mandarin, especially considering pinyin tends to use conventionally voiced letters to represent unaspirated consonants and voiceless letters to represent aspirated consonants.

    • @creamofthecrop4339
      @creamofthecrop4339 5 лет назад +2

      之前热啊某种

    • @skyfall-t8p
      @skyfall-t8p 5 лет назад +6

      TaiFerret You can think of q as a variant of k. q was the same phoneme as k in Old Mandarin, but later on gets palatalized before the /j/ glide. The same goes for j (developed from g) and x (from h, which is interestingly itself /x/ in IPA).

  • @CommonCommiestudios
    @CommonCommiestudios 3 года назад +181

    3:00 Be aware that this is not the Modern Standard Russian alphabet, it appears to be a mash-up of different Cyrillic-script alphabets, including Russian, Belarusian and Serbian

    • @tuerculosisgaming6307
      @tuerculosisgaming6307 3 года назад +12

      Exactly
      When I saw this cyrylic i just shaked my head and facepalmed

    • @lauzwojwec8764
      @lauzwojwec8764 2 года назад +9

      Serbian dž and ch transform to ð þ. Why?

    • @CommonCommiestudios
      @CommonCommiestudios 2 года назад +16

      @@lauzwojwec8764 No idea honestly, this was such a bad chart that Thandian facepalmed

    • @lauzwojwec8764
      @lauzwojwec8764 2 года назад +3

      @@CommonCommiestudios Ладно.

    • @zafusca
      @zafusca 2 года назад

      Ukrainian Macedonia slovakia

  • @ObliviAce
    @ObliviAce 5 лет назад +318

    "Basicly every european writing system has the latin alphabet with their own moderation"
    Greek alphabet: *am i a joke to you?*

    • @Mr.Nichan
      @Mr.Nichan 4 года назад +36

      Also all the Cyrillic writing systems, which are not derived from the Latin alphabet.

    • @yeetyeet-jb6nc
      @yeetyeet-jb6nc 4 года назад +75

      @@Mr.Nichan Cyrillic is derived from greek ,which is also the ancestor of latin.

    • @niceColdWuhta
      @niceColdWuhta 4 года назад +4

      Latin alphabet *in general/Western Europe*

    • @akbas58
      @akbas58 4 года назад +1

      @president camacho that's not how language works

    • @marchesadigroenlandia3487
      @marchesadigroenlandia3487 4 года назад +4

      president camacho no, that’s just not how language families work. Phoenician had no common origin with Latin or Greek, how could they be from the same family? Romans, Greeks, Phrygians, Etruscans, Turks, Hungarians (and many more) just developed their alphabets from someone else’s, that doesn’t make their languages related in any way.

  • @SteinGauslaaStrindhaug
    @SteinGauslaaStrindhaug 6 лет назад +106

    7:23 Actually, I would say that scripts carved in wood would give characters that are mainly composed of straight lines in any direction except along the grain, since these will become almost invisible. Nordic runes have almost only vertical and diagonal lines and were written on sticks so the grain would be horizontal.

    • @yangkong7935
      @yangkong7935 4 года назад +9

      Stein Gauslaa Strindhaug I think you could widen the instrument meant to carve the scripts. Like if you used a knife to carve it parallel to the ground and perpendicular to the direction you look at it.

  • @ThatBooRadley
    @ThatBooRadley 6 лет назад +164

    I'm sad that this is the final episode in the series, but I do have a suggestion and a question:
    1. Have you thought of making a series for more "seasoned" conlangers. As you expressed in your first video, you wanted to help people "start their conlanging journey". I'm not saying this isn't helpful towards people with more experience, but I'm wanting to see just how much I can add to make my languages even better.
    2. How did you make those special characters? Is there some kind of software that you can use?
    Nonetheless, thanks for this amazing series. I hope I can get just as amazing content in the future!

    • @Biblaridion
      @Biblaridion  6 лет назад +104

      1. Indeed I have. This was the main series I wanted to get done, but now that it's finished and proven to be at least somewhat successful, I've got a whole load of stuff in the pipeline.
      2. You mean the characters for the conscript? In this case I was really lazy and just drew them freehand, but for my other scripts I sometimes use FontForge, which lets you create and code your own fonts (and it's free!): fontforge.github.io/en-US/
      Thanks very much!

    • @YouBathtubDoners
      @YouBathtubDoners Год назад +4

      @@Biblaridion what do I do? I’m on phone

  • @AgglomeratiProduzioni
    @AgglomeratiProduzioni 6 лет назад +77

    WOW, I watched all the eight parts and I must say this is real true *Quality.*
    I really don't think there is on RUclips (or even professionally or academically, in such a short time) another course on the same topic that explains it *so well* and goes *so deep* into pretty complex linguistics matters making them appear easy and, I have to say, even funny.
    I would like to say Thanks, I would like to say Bravo, I would like to say a thousand things, but I'm afraid the English language can't _really_ express the true meaning of what I deeply want to tell you. But I could start creating my own language so that it will allow me to express deep gratitude and intense commendation in a handful but appealing way: after all, that should now be way easier, thanks to you.

  • @Ghost_PM11
    @Ghost_PM11 5 лет назад +104

    I find the abugida to be the most intiutive and elegant. I will use it for my conlang.

    • @EHMM
      @EHMM 4 года назад +1

      My First abugida's 1 to 10: CHIMA CHI-IMA CHIAMA CHUMAG FUSA CHUMAF DEGCSH DEGSCSHAMA FUSGIMUCHIMUTIPLAH ERGA

    • @jolonghthong
      @jolonghthong 4 года назад +9

      I used an abugida wioithout even knowing it until I saw this video and I’m proud of myself. I called it an alphabet, but that’s just some eraser marks and I’ll be good.

    • @6i6itjeruk
      @6i6itjeruk 4 года назад +1

      I use abugida too tbh, although a lot of the writing was took from Jawi Abjad which is an Abjad. I did inspired from thaana script.

    • @amberlee787
      @amberlee787 3 года назад +3

      Honestly, I find so too. It just feels right to have a base shape with modifications.
      Easy to learn, needs medium complexity but not high one so it looks good.

    • @naolucillerandom5280
      @naolucillerandom5280 11 месяцев назад +1

      Same, I made one conlang with an abugida script, and now I'm making another.

  • @User-dyn
    @User-dyn 8 месяцев назад +6

    I just spent like an hour an half binge watching a series about conlangs while building a house in Minecraft at 1 am instead of getting sleep or studying
    I love my life

  • @junirenjana
    @junirenjana 6 лет назад +37

    This series is the most beautiful thing I have watched on RUclips. Subscribed.

  • @SaxophoneDog
    @SaxophoneDog 2 года назад +4

    This tought me how to create a language a year ago and now I have created one full language. I can’t thank you enough for teaching me how to do this.

  • @SchmulKrieger
    @SchmulKrieger 5 лет назад +72

    Japanese is a good example how a mixed writing system works. The nouns often written in Kanji (logographs) and the rest in Hiragana (Katakana) (syllable symbols).

    • @FirstnameLastname-jd4uq
      @FirstnameLastname-jd4uq Месяц назад +2

      I know this is 5 years old but I’d like to add something
      Hiragana is used for particles/postpositions (like に, は, へ), and verb conjugations (歌い (utai), 歌え (utae), 歌わ (utawa) are all conjugated versions of the verb 歌う (utau) which means sing). Also extremely common and basic words are usually written in hiragana too
      Sorry if this is hard to read

    • @SchmulKrieger
      @SchmulKrieger Месяц назад

      @FirstnameLastname-jd4uq thank you. 🫂

  • @GhostOfJulesVerne
    @GhostOfJulesVerne 5 лет назад +1217

    To be fair you wouldn't think that ア and 鬱 come from the same language, but they're both Japanese.

    • @W_Qimuel
      @W_Qimuel 5 лет назад +306

      Instead of “language,” he should have said “writing system.”

    • @tldoesntlikebread
      @tldoesntlikebread 4 года назад +127

      Well Kanji is indeed Chinese and it's true that they look very different. Though if they looked closer to each other, Japanese writing may take longer to read.

    • @niceColdWuhta
      @niceColdWuhta 4 года назад +14

      This is why Japanese is harder than Chinese

    • @tibethatguy
      @tibethatguy 4 года назад +102

      @@niceColdWuhta Well, the different system mean you don't have to have spaces between the words. Compare '今日は歯医者に行くのを忘れました。' to 'きょうははいしゃにいくのをわすれました。' In the first sentence, you can clearly see that the words are meant to be: '今日 は 歯医者 に 行く の を 忘れました。' However, in the second sentence, you can't see that.

    • @niceColdWuhta
      @niceColdWuhta 4 года назад +13

      @@tibethatguy Good point

  • @_uxxn3287
    @_uxxn3287 2 года назад +26

    I love the jadba system. It's where you only have symbols for vowels and you infer the consonants.

  • @brokenursa9986
    @brokenursa9986 5 лет назад +48

    This series made me want to get back to work on a conlang I started about two years ago and never finished. The weird thing with this conlang is that, in the world I'm building it for, it's the language used by the gods to speak to each other and by mortals to speak to the gods. As such, it's actually very resistant to changes. The gods would speak the original version of the language, called Elderspeak by mortals or Llyrrshpykh [ɬɪr.ʃpɪx] (literally, "god tongue") by the gods who speak it, while mortals speak a modified version that has a few minor simplifications. Due to its resistance to change, I was originally planning to build Elderspeak up to the proto-language stage of your conlanging method and stop there, but then I realized that the elves and orcs of my world speak languages directly descended from Elderspeak, so I get to try my hand at seeing what kinds of sound changes and conjugation systems arise from sending Elderspeak on a trip through time for 10,000 years or so.
    tl;dr: This series made me want to start conlanging again and testing out what I've learned.

    • @sunset_Ruby
      @sunset_Ruby 3 года назад +1

      any updates?

    • @brokenursa9986
      @brokenursa9986 3 года назад +1

      @@sunset_Ruby I am a chronic procrastinator, so no.

    • @sunset_Ruby
      @sunset_Ruby 3 года назад +1

      @@brokenursa9986 sadge, it seems really interesting as an idea nonetheless

    • @Othorius
      @Othorius 3 года назад +1

      @@brokenursa9986 lmao I can definitely relate to that

    • @doctordestructo3360
      @doctordestructo3360 10 месяцев назад +1

      Old comment, but my conlang has a similar thing, but mine's a language created as a collaboration between gods and mortals so that the mortals can communicate with the gods. I decided mine was also very resistant to change, so that's neat that you landed on that as well. I have also procrastinated on it for a couple years and am recently getting back into it lol

  • @Woodledude
    @Woodledude 5 лет назад +56

    So I've had this idea of an artificial alien language floating around in my head for a while. The idea being that some random person from a different, incredibly advanced culture, basically left their people behind and tried to "create the perfect lifeform". And so they ended up constructing a highly efficient totalitarian society of organic robots designed to exterminate and replace all other life in the universe.
    Y'know... As you do. Weekend projects, amirite?
    All joking aside, I wanted to play with the artificial, rigorous nature of the culture for more "efficient" vocal communication, and an extremely durable and versatile written language. And possibly have different languages for different settings - On a loud battlefield, or when speaking over a crowd or making an announcement, only vowels and the most sonorous consonants are used, whereas plosives and similar less sonorous sounds are used during stealth, for covert meetings, etcetera. Though I'm not overly concerned with the sounds being easy for humans to pronounce, I'd have to actually work on it to see how practical that would be in general.

    • @40watt53
      @40watt53 Год назад +4

      4 years late ayo but hey howd this turn out

    • @1Thunderfire
      @1Thunderfire 8 месяцев назад +2

      Getting MTG Phyrexian vibes here!

    • @whatsyourname9581
      @whatsyourname9581 Месяц назад

      I'm pretty sure this is a plot point in the book "All Tomorrows", at least in one way or the other.

  • @maddockemerson4603
    @maddockemerson4603 6 лет назад +24

    "It's no use to anyone if your Romanization system is just as weird as your spelling system."
    Oof.
    That's one of the main problems I had when I tried to make a conlang in high school. It was so bad I don't even have the basic notes for it anymore, but then same goes for the novel I was developing it for.

    • @dumupad3-da241
      @dumupad3-da241 3 года назад +3

      But you can and probably should have a separate Romanisation system to express the spelling, too - then it's called transliteration.

  • @borg286
    @borg286 6 лет назад +333

    You didn't account for Korean, in that some leader tried to make a featural writing system which ties letter shape to physiological form in the mouth. This would encourage consistency across time.

    • @AgglomeratiProduzioni
      @AgglomeratiProduzioni 6 лет назад +80

      Maybe he meant those times the concept of writing itself was invented, not just any writing system.
      Before the Mesoamericans first invented writing, they didn't know writing was a thing; when the Korean script was invented, they were kinda like "We don't want the Chinese writing system any more, let's invent a new one for us".
      In fact, at 4:43 he did write "Every script in the world is descended or influenced from one of these" (meaning he should have included Hangul), but in the audio track he says "Writing has only been invented independently about five times" (meaning he should only list those that, in fact, he did). Just a little distraction that led to ambiguity.

    • @aleksandrnestrato
      @aleksandrnestrato 5 лет назад +14

      So, Sejong the Great is "some leader" for you, which ''tried to make"...
      King Sejong or Sejong the Great, 7 May 1397 - 8 April 1450, was the fourth king of the Joseon dynasty of Korea.
      He established a royal research institute - Hall of Worthies, or Jiphyeonjeon.
      He and the Institute made an enormous job which resulted in Korean writing system - "a featural writing system", as you called it.
      The formal publication date of this writing system is October 9, 1446.
      The name of this "featural writing system" is Hangul.

    • @crimson5719
      @crimson5719 5 лет назад +28

      Aleksandr Nestrato Who pissed in your cereal, man?

    • @aleksandrnestrato
      @aleksandrnestrato 5 лет назад +3

      @@crimson5719
      No, I'm ok
      Thanx for asking:)

    • @aleksandrnestrato
      @aleksandrnestrato 5 лет назад +5

      @@desolategaming1970
      Wow, wow! "pissed off at people"😄
      There's just one guy up there in the comments, dude! How many people do you see in one guy? ;)
      I'm not pissed off, I'm calm and relaxed.
      These are not "details", those facts are important periods of history.
      Just think about it: we're on the Internet here, we have stuff like Wikipedia and alike. It's so easy to spend some---really little---time reading about anything... The information is sooo close you just can't hide behind a childish excuse "I didn't know". Several minutes of searching and reading---and voila, you know it.
      I like to leave comments on the RUclips, but I never let myself show ignorance and laziness. Cause I know I'm not two inches from facts.
      🤷‍♂️

  • @MGDrzyzga
    @MGDrzyzga 4 года назад +13

    I still fondly remember the Bionicle script favoring circles with straight lines and/or smaller circles entirely contained within - and then a single line through the center denoting words. The idea of using a line rather than space to denote words sticks with me.
    Not coming from a naturalistic place, but I like the idea of an alphabet that has a commonality of vowels containing a vertical line, and within words, it becomes a single curving figure that snakes through all the vowels.

  • @dbneptune
    @dbneptune 3 года назад +5

    This was awesome! I made my first conlang (I call it Pona Fanaloka, meaning our language) using this, here’s “I had fun!”
    Na tsati thokasho!

  • @intuithue
    @intuithue 6 лет назад +46

    This is a very involved/studious + phonology-centered way of crafting an organic writing system (in other words, for anyone reading, not at all the only way, nor necessarily the most helpful way, especially for anyone without a linguistics background), but the quality of education here is very high nonetheless. Lots of options and ideas presented here! Really nice content :')

    • @Biblaridion
      @Biblaridion  6 лет назад +18

      Thanks! Yeah, it all depends on your goals. The process I use is for those who are aiming for a high degree of naturalism. If that's not you're goal, then you're free to not go into as much detail.

    • @livedandletdie
      @livedandletdie 6 лет назад +3

      Ideographic/logographic languages are very involved, this is child's play in comparison.

    • @livedandletdie
      @livedandletdie 6 лет назад +2

      And I'm ashamed to say it but I prefer making writing systems compared to making languages... It's just so easy. Although I have the same restrictions on my systems as if I had a language to begin with, syntax is really important for writing systems too.

  • @FfE8
    @FfE8 3 года назад +15

    My original idea was to just make a new writing system for English, then it turned to English with some sounds taken off of it, and now I'm creating a whole new language.
    The writing system is basically an alphabet, but words are written in the shape of a square (they're fairly short most of the time). It came to be when I wanted to just make an alphabet, and then I was inspired by Chinese Hanzi but didn't want to make whole new symbols.

  • @SpiderLingual
    @SpiderLingual 5 лет назад +8

    Wow, this series is really great! I've been I guess conlanging as a vague side hobby since I was about 15, and my first language I accidentally made easier for myself by making the history of the language be that it was created by a government as a generalized language whose education was regulated and enforced. Having always loved foreign languages and had some exposure to systems very different from my native language (namely the East Asian ones as I am ethnically Asian, but nationally American), I managed to avoid a couple of the worst pitfalls you mention early conlangers doing, but it was still pretty tough to muddle along on my own, and there are still things I'm fighting with in it. Recently, however, I've started trying to develop a naturalistic language, and boy am I glad I stumbled upon these videos before getting too deep into that, since there are a lot of proto-elements I wouldn't have thought of, particularly this specific video about writing systems, since my strongest foreign languages are Japanese and Korean, both of which have strong histories of much more recent phonetic alphabets, having previously used the Chinese writing system. Even knowing their histories, because those are what I'm comfortable with, I found myself gravitating towards a very structured phonetic alphabet that I realize now are not exactly likely to have developed organically. I love the new perspective these videos have given me! Thanks for making them!

  • @Shiroiji
    @Shiroiji 5 лет назад +29

    I've made a hybrid writing system with logographic character (like chinese hanzi) and an alphabet.
    My idea was that the letters of common words (want, will, And, with) get compressed into a single character and then further simplified for convenience, the same way the latin "et" became "&".

  • @ObeyBunny
    @ObeyBunny 6 лет назад +4

    You beautiful sexy man who talks about languages, my hand- of it's own will- just swung over to your subscription box and clicked! I've been looking for someone who talks about conlangs and grammar systems without just pointing at someone's first constructed language and laughing. This is EXACTLY what I needed for my world building. Thank you!
    You just earned a subscriber, my good man!

  • @hydricbluen8498
    @hydricbluen8498 6 лет назад +4

    hello, biblaridion! I have been making my conlang in about an entire day, the language's excel sheet is somewhat messy(sorry for that this is my first full-fledged conlang!), I used your tutorial on how to make words and different vowels and consonants sound good together. I also used the tutorial from Artefexian. You guys have taught me a lot about making conlangs and for a 14-year-old it's a lot to take in. I showed what I had already gotten done the four hours I worked before coming to school. I had pretty much the basic concept of the language itself, but I didn't finish some of the subject pronouns. Which I quickly finished in Spanish class. I made sure that the language started in a proto stage, where the [tʃ] sound was written tch, [dʒ] was dzh, [x] didn't exist, [ɲ] didn't exist, and the only diacritic I had was for the schwa. The language was extremely hard to read and pronounce, was of my words being ngadzh /ŋadʒ/, eventually, I thought to myself and said... this is too hard to read and pronounce, so I took all of the long vowels I had made and gave them the appropriate diacritic(macron) and then introduced some new sounds, [x] and [ɲ] these ideas in my head sparked from the languages Swedish(i think) and Spanish as I am currently learning Spanish and pretty much everyone can pronounce those sounds, so ngadzh changed into, ñaj /ɲadʒ/ the changes I made to the language made it so much clearer to read and pronounce and I wanted to thank you for the great knowledge you have given me.
    The language's name is klauī btw!
    Heres the Google Drive link for the excel spreadsheet, in wondrous colors:
    docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YrC-s4bOqsqhhn9eoGUAPO1G8U7PlasWlVngHFEt9cc/edit?usp=sharing

  • @mimikal7548
    @mimikal7548 2 года назад +8

    For carving into trees I would say bottom-to-top would be a more logical direction. If you start from the top and go down you might underestimate the space you have and reach the ground before you've finished, which is a problem (maybe it would then wrap around the tree to the left or right). Since trees are very tall, you can start from the bottom and always be sure that you'll have enough space above, you just might need something to act as an impromptu ladder to go higher and higher.

    • @wintergray1221
      @wintergray1221 Год назад

      Top-to-bottom and word-wrapped in a clockwise direction seems logical to me. That would lead to the East Asian format of vertical RtL when they switched to paper.

  • @alflp2159
    @alflp2159 5 лет назад +2

    Thank you so much. I've tried so hard to invent a conlang over months but it just didn't work but with your videos on conlanging it's got so much easier and I have the feeling I can finish my conlang for the first time without throwing it away.

  • @bonbonpony
    @bonbonpony 5 лет назад +36

    Step 9: Create binary encoding for Simātsan characters :D
    As for ideas for future episodes, though: I'd like to see some more about coming up with the root system.

  • @andrew4635
    @andrew4635 2 месяца назад

    This has been so informative, thank you! I’m not making a conlang for now, but all of these videos have given me a lot more insight into how English has evolved, why our spelling/pronunciation is so mis-matched. I’ve got a 7-year-old and learning to read the past couple years has reminded me just how hard of a skill it is to learn to read and write, something I take for granted every day. So many times I’ve had to tell her things like “English is really weird, and a lot of stuff you just have to memorize. Not all vowels go a-walkin’” (or whatever. I don’t remember the rule). I can also see this helping me in my Dutch studies!
    Tytyty for this series. It must have been so much work! It’ll take several full re-watches for me to fully grasp it all. I had one into to linguistics course in uni, and this series covers SO much more than that one course did. So many new words for things 👀

  • @oogaboogabe3464
    @oogaboogabe3464 Год назад +1

    This series has been really helpful for me as I make my first ever company. Its probably a bit sloppy and amateurish, but im proud of it so far! Thanks for this resource

  • @Alice-gr1kb
    @Alice-gr1kb 6 лет назад +29

    I agree with Artifexian about proto-Langs. Only make them if you’re doing a family of related languages, otherwise it is just too much work. For historic spelling you only need a few of these changes, not a whole timeline

    • @tonio103683
      @tonio103683 6 лет назад +18

      No, you can also make them if you find it fun to do them and/or if you really want to have a wacky irregular language. I'm skeptical if you can have such results without a proto-lang. Also, If you're, let's say, building a single civilisation across many centuries you'd probably want to have historical stages of the language.
      However I did agree with him that it's not an absolute necessity. I have succeeded in creating a pretty naturalistic language without a proto-lang myself.

    • @Alice-gr1kb
      @Alice-gr1kb 5 лет назад +5

      tonio103683 I found my old comment and I’m looking back thinking that it’s more fun to do a proto Lang

    • @brunorocha4675
      @brunorocha4675 3 года назад +4

      @@tonio103683 I think you can actually manage to make a very naturalistic language without a proto-lang if you know what to do. I mean, most of the reasons to create a proto-lang is to evolve the phonology and grammar to your language, but if you already have and idea of how you language have evolved from, i think it's ok to just start for the action and the coolest parts that is the modern grammar and spelling. But, of course, evolving a language since the start obviously will gonna make your language much closer to a real spoken language, so it depends of your goals in your language.
      (sorry for bad English)

    • @sachacendra3187
      @sachacendra3187 3 года назад +3

      @@brunorocha4675 Of course yeah, I agree, except I'm not so sure that the modern grammar is necessarily the "coolest" part IMHO. For me it's etymology and giving the illusion of History. To each their own I guess.

    • @dumupad3-da241
      @dumupad3-da241 3 года назад +2

      Yep. The main argument for proto-langs was to make your proper lang naturalistic instead of just making it up, but your proto-lang should be naturalistic, too, and yet you're just making it up anyway! You could perfectly well stick to the proto-lang that Biblaridion made here and use it as your actual conlang. I'd only make an earlier form of a conlang if I actually plan to use it directly.

  • @paolob.5667
    @paolob.5667 3 года назад +6

    About the Latin capital letters: the reason why they are so blocky it's mostly because they were the ones that survived, but rustic capitals and Roman cursive were a thing,and really common

    • @didack1419
      @didack1419 3 года назад +2

      Didn't Roman cursive develop into modern lower-case letters? Legitly asking.

  • @GeneSch
    @GeneSch 6 лет назад +90

    3:02 that's not cleaf Russian alphabet. There are two Serbian letters and one Belorussian letter. And 3 real Russian letters are gone. I know because my native language is Russian and I fond of Slavic languages.)

    • @Biblaridion
      @Biblaridion  6 лет назад +50

      Well, that's what I get for not knowing cyrillic well enough...

    • @livedandletdie
      @livedandletdie 6 лет назад +9

      Let me help you then. It's a fantastic script after all.
      Ё-[jo] , Й-[ij] , Ц-[ts] , У-[u] , К-[k] , Е-[je] , Н-[n] , Г-[g] , Ш-[sh] , Щ-[shj] , З-[z] , Х-[kh] , Ъ-[hard sign] , Ф-[f] , Ы-[i] , В-[v] , А-[a] , П-[p] , Р-[r] , О-[o] , Л-[l] , Д-[d] , Ж-[zh] , Э-[e] , Я-[ja] , Ч-[ch] , С-[s] , М-[m] , И-[ji] , Т-[t] , Ь-[soft sign] , Б-[b] , Ю-[ju]

    • @GeneSch
      @GeneSch 6 лет назад +3

      @@livedandletdie er, but my NATIVE LANGUAGE is RUSSIAN, so I don't understand why you are telling it me.

    • @captainclark2337
      @captainclark2337 6 лет назад +14

      @@GeneSch I am not European, but I am fond of European languages. When I was watching the video, and I came across the "Russian Alphabet," I immediately noticed the Serbian characters. If this comment did not exist, I would have wrote one myself. Nothing against the creator, of course, just a simple misunderstanding.

    • @Ynysmydwr
      @Ynysmydwr 6 лет назад +8

      @@GeneSch He was telling Biblaridion.

  • @cubanabanana9165
    @cubanabanana9165 6 лет назад +3

    This series was amazing. Thanks a lot! I feel like this is what I'll come back to when I need a refresher.

  • @ookaookaooka
    @ookaookaooka Год назад +1

    In one of the conlangs I’m currently working on, it’s spoken by dragons and has to be clearly understood while flying, so nearly all unvoiced consonants have been dropped/didn’t evolve in the first place. It ended up having a cool buzzy sound to it that I really liked. In addition to the spoken/roared language, they also have a way of encoding their words into infrasound rumbles, which they use to communicate over long distances, similar to the whistle code of La Gomera.

    • @Daryavahush
      @Daryavahush Год назад

      that's cool as hell actually, i wanna know if you've written down your conlang somewhere where you can share it?

  • @kitdubhran2968
    @kitdubhran2968 3 года назад +1

    Rebus! Omg thank you! I’ve been having class marked on nouns and their modified friends for almost the entirety of the language I’m working on. At the front of the word, which doesn’t quite match, and I kind of couldn’t figure out why.
    It’s because they were rebus/determinative characters used to clarify what the noun and adj, etc were, and what the verb was talking about. Yay! So happy to figure that out!
    Now to finish the sound changes. And grammar evolution. And a timeline of those things. And to figure out where my syllabary turns into an alphasyllabary.
    Thank you as always!

  • @stevenwesleygraham
    @stevenwesleygraham 5 лет назад +1

    Excellent series!! I learned how to fix everything I was doing wrong the last time I tried this in one sitting.

  • @user-pm1gb2eo1s
    @user-pm1gb2eo1s 5 лет назад +19

    1:51 Just pointing this out, bit the sample of runes you had there were the Anglo-Frisian runes used to write, among others, Old English. Old Norse used the Younger Futhark. Sorry for the nitpick, otherwise, awesome video!

    • @tritankista8976
      @tritankista8976 4 года назад

      What language do you use in your name?

    • @EnigmaM1
      @EnigmaM1 4 года назад

      ᚼᛁᛚ᛫ᚢᚦᛁᚾ᛫ᛒᚱᚢᚦᛦ

  • @lingoteen
    @lingoteen 3 года назад +1

    This series helped me make my first actual conlang. Thanks.

  • @YourBoyAlex
    @YourBoyAlex 6 лет назад +15

    102 likes and ZERO DISLIKES!!! You have done a great job!

    • @johnhooyer3101
      @johnhooyer3101 6 лет назад +3

      Don't look now, but there is a singular dislike. It wouldn't be a proper RUclips video without it.

    • @YourBoyAlex
      @YourBoyAlex 6 лет назад +3

      @@johnhooyer3101 Hmmmm....maybe you are correct!

    • @yeetyeet-jb6nc
      @yeetyeet-jb6nc 4 года назад +1

      3k likes and 23 dislikes now.

    • @whycantihaveaproperusernam9384
      @whycantihaveaproperusernam9384 4 года назад

      There's 33 actually

  • @calvin311222913
    @calvin311222913 6 лет назад +1

    This is one of most under-seen video series of all time.

  • @Asodym
    @Asodym 3 года назад

    this series has been the biggest help to me making my conlang Lohsmik. ponna ta pohyen! (thank you)

  • @corykreklow6339
    @corykreklow6339 5 лет назад

    I randomly became obsessed with uniforming a new language from old about 4 days ago. Thank you!!!!!!

  • @chloesmith5915
    @chloesmith5915 2 года назад

    This conlang series was so very helpful, I have already managed to make four languages, two of which I had already created from just mashing words together and what not but nowthat I have actually thought of their histories and creation and evolution and understanding of phonology ,which I had no clue about until your vids, they sound and look so much better. From my main Language that profited from this series, Ikar, has three sister languages, like you suggested in your last video. It was so very helpful and inspiring. Thank you so much :)

  • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
    @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Год назад +2

    Pictography is the first writing to evolve. Logography comes as it becomes more and more common and the drawings more and more simplified.

  • @petrus9067
    @petrus9067 6 лет назад +1

    Your series is very good, one of the best I believe. Specially this video, I have now a bunch of ideas of my writing system could have evolved and etc. And I think I'll be going back to these videos to figure out other aspects of my conlang :)

  • @حَسن-م3ه9ظ
    @حَسن-م3ه9ظ 5 лет назад +24

    Actually arabic does write the second (and on it we write diacritics and fourth vowel is a letter etc) vowels as letters.
    Ex:
    لَيْسَ
    (Laysa)
    The first vowel is 'A' and it's written in its diacritic form instead of its literal form
    Is the second (semi)vowel representin ي
    The 'Y' sound and it's written in its literal form.
    Writting the literal form of a vowel after its diacritic form to create long vowels
    لَا
    (Laa)

  • @VicMetEenK
    @VicMetEenK Год назад

    thysm for making this, i didnt know where to begin when i was making multiple fictional languages for my game. But because of these videos. I finally know how to make a conlang.

  • @AeliosArt
    @AeliosArt 6 лет назад +3

    Great content, brotha. Maybe some ideas for future videos? I'd like to see vidoes like this illustrating different phenomena like how/why vowel harmony develops and maybe how that might work in a conlang. What kind of inconsistencies occur in phonological evolution (not sure if this is the best example, but "though", "through", "enough", "cough", etc. All have similar spellings that once were theoretically meant to represent real pronunciation but somehow differ dramatically in pronunciation; are there other examples of words that originally had similar pronunciations but somehow split? I also speak Japanese fluently and I am curious about a few things that would help me in my own similar conlang (I haven't been able to answer these so far studying Old Japanese). For example, why do all verbs end in -u (suru 'to do', taberu 'to eat', iku 'to go', etc.) And then where different verb base forms come from, which are imperative to conjugation (e.g. realis, irrealis, terminative, attributive, etc.) Did these also come from independent words? Most indicate what can be affixed to it, but don't carry much or any meaning by themselves. I guess some other ideas would be things like mood and aspect. It seems difficult to see how to accomplish these sorts of things by starting with simply mashing words together without making words impossibly long and their histories impossibly complex. Maybe some ideas for future videos?

  • @impishDullahan
    @impishDullahan 5 лет назад +1

    If we want to talk about quirks, my second not scrapped conlang uses a somewhat featural reverse alphasyllabary as it's writing system. The proto-language had strictly VC syllables so the writing system is a series of glyphs to represent a vowel and with a diacritic whose shape determines the coda's method of articulation and another whose orientation determines the place of articulation. I'm still quite chuffed with the system.
    Also whilst I might consider myself much more seasoned than the intended audience, I've never started form a proto-language. I've always worked backwards from what I want to determine what I haven't figured out yet. I'm definitely going to have to refactor some of my less artsy conlangs with these brilliant new insights.

  • @טמוציןבורגיגין
    @טמוציןבורגיגין 5 лет назад +3

    Thank you very much for the series! They very helped me in the build of my Conlang. If I had a problem, so its the fact you didn't talked about grammatical jender, which exists in the Semitic and European languages.

  • @penelope.nschfr
    @penelope.nschfr 2 года назад +1

    Best conlang series I ever seen !!

  • @KnufWons
    @KnufWons 6 лет назад +93

    I think you’re being a little unfair to Irish Gaelic. Sure, they use the Latin alphabet in a highly different manner than other languages, but they have straightforward, rarely broken rules in writing which makes the written language follow the spoken language quite closely.

    • @tudorsike736
      @tudorsike736 6 лет назад +25

      I was about to say the same thing. It's easy to look at Irish orthography and assume that it's full of obsolete historical spelling like we find in English. In fact there is very little of that going on; instead, the weird, unintuitive spelling is the result of a complex system of sound mutations that reflect grammatical and syntactical processes.
      Now, whether or not that system could be simplified in writing, is a totally different matter...
      Btw, NativeLang has a really good video on Irish Gaelic mutations, if anyone's interested.

    • @Ynysmydwr
      @Ynysmydwr 6 лет назад +21

      Precisely -- except that I would change "a little unfair" to "very unfair"! The spelling of Irish is *far* more regular and systematic than that of English (< now THERE'S the place to look for a language that's written with an enormous number of historical and (often pseudo-) etymological distortions). Irish even underwent an official spelling reform in the 1940s-50s: something that has never happened in English.

    • @RaghnaidAnnaNicGaraidh
      @RaghnaidAnnaNicGaraidh 6 лет назад +12

      Thank-you all three of you! Even though to my mind that 50s Irish spelling reform was a bit sparodic and random, they have actually kept the writing system fairly close to the pronunciation. I speak the language's Scottish cousin, which has had fewer spelling reforms, and live in a diaspora community where we ignore the last reform or two *did* have, so I'm used to a much more conservative spelling system with a lot more "invisible" sounds... and even then it's much more regular than English. Pretty much all of the letters English-speakers think are redundant *do* actually serve a purpose.

    • @thiskidneedstobemoist1289
      @thiskidneedstobemoist1289 5 лет назад

      If it has a pattern, there's no necessity to complain.

    • @thasa-thirumanau
      @thasa-thirumanau 3 года назад

      Ćohaan

  • @amehak1922
    @amehak1922 4 года назад +6

    Major moment in the history of writing!

  • @gaborzoltai6965
    @gaborzoltai6965 Год назад

    Thank you for this series. My first concept for a conlang is a proto-language of hunter-gatherers, in the very earliest stage of development. I wanted it to be logical, although there is no reason such a language should have logical consistency. For my own aesthetic enjoyment, I made each vowel denote a category of concepts: affectionate, rebuking/warning, begging, cautionary/significant and neutral/abstract.
    So, for example, both the root words for place and time, being abstract, have the U vowel: "dru" and "gru". The words for chief, "kro" and weapon, "dzo", have O to signify they are things to be cautious with. Threatening things have E: "dze" means to kill, and "dre" means beast.
    The word order is free, with the most important information going first. For my first step in this, I am happy with the results.
    gra dida ditroda bu! gi bro ditroda kru!
    /thanks this-one this-other-one towards! good work this-other-one with!/
    I thank you! Your work is good!
    :)

  • @lethalbloom2147
    @lethalbloom2147 3 года назад +1

    This was incredibly useful for me, I recently got into conlanging to add more immersion to my D&D games, and I managed to finish my first language very recently, it’s based off of dragons and is a sorta stand in for all otherworldly creatures that might speak a rough or ridged language

  • @scptime1188
    @scptime1188 5 лет назад

    Hey biblaridion, i just wanted to say that these videos have been such a great help to me and probably other conlangers! Keep creating amazing videos.
    Edit: I know this vid was made a year ago, but it doesn't change how amazing and helpful it is :)

  • @thomasmcdonach9985
    @thomasmcdonach9985 4 года назад

    This series has been ever so helpful and has helped me so much with my conlang and I just want to say thank you

  • @0Aquamelon
    @0Aquamelon 6 месяцев назад

    Can we take a moment to appreciate how pretty the Simatsan script is, even though it was just a conlang meant as a demonstration? Like: I REALLY find it pretty and am inspired to use a similar style in one of my conlangs, and it's not even meant to be a part of a big conlanging project! it's just there to help *us*

  • @DTux5249
    @DTux5249 6 лет назад +13

    Great video and agree thoth's pill is great.

  • @JazzyWaffles
    @JazzyWaffles 6 лет назад +92

    3:20 you wrote かきくけこ out of order because English orders the vowels as AEIOU and that is going to bother me for the rest of eternity now.

    • @joshuajeffrey4848
      @joshuajeffrey4848 6 лет назад +23

      Jazzy Waffles yes because that’s just how English does it, Japanese does it ‘aiueo’ not ‘aeiou’

    • @JazzyWaffles
      @JazzyWaffles 6 лет назад +10

      @@joshuajeffrey4848 Um... Yes. I said that already, lol

    • @joshuajeffrey4848
      @joshuajeffrey4848 6 лет назад +9

      Jazzy Waffles ah sorry misunderstood your comment.
      seems like my brain corrected their order in my head and I read them かきくけこ not realising they were out of order 🤦🏼‍♂️

    • @namkedi
      @namkedi 5 лет назад

      So sorry
      From someone in Hong Kong

    • @russellbaker7026
      @russellbaker7026 4 года назад +1

      yes, but japanese isn't english. DUH

  • @valhatan3907
    @valhatan3907 2 года назад +5

    01:17 I'm actually surprised you mentioning Sundanese and Lontara script in this video, i've seen very little appearance of this writing system from my country in any other conglang videos.
    A random tidbit, if you tired of using Rune letterform in your fantasy setting, try to _Ulu_ script from South Sumatra. It also similar with Lontara.

  • @leafMontilla
    @leafMontilla Год назад

    I loved this video series! What I would give to watch a similar one that focused on non-oral languages, particularly sign languages, but maybe even languages for cuttlefish or chamaleons who can communicate by changing skin colors and patterns 🤩

  • @gcewing
    @gcewing 6 лет назад +3

    Fascinating series! It's made me think about revisiting one of my own very feeble attempts at conlanging I did for a short story. It was supposed to be a language for an alien species. To give it an exotic look I decided it would have no vowels, with the role of vowels played by non-stop consonants. I only created two words, both of them character names: Wxlvf (male, approximately) and Jwrmn (female, approximately).
    I wasn't intending to take it much further than that, but now I'm thinking it could be a fun project to flesh it out. Although to do it justice to the standard presented here, I may have to take a step back and work out the physics of the alien vocal tract, so I can justify why I'm picking particular sounds. And then come up with an alien culture so I know what metaphors they use to form words. I may have to install an imagination upgrade...

  • @christopherfilip6949
    @christopherfilip6949 7 месяцев назад +1

    I haven't quite realised how up-to-date Czech spelling actually is. Since the modern spelling was basically developed in late 18th century and has been updating relitvely regularly, we actually do read (almost) everything as it is written, and even when a non-native person reads everything as written, it isn't considered a mistake, since it's such a marginal thing

  • @cursedalien
    @cursedalien 3 года назад +8

    I think that for a writing system, I'd want to take a cue from writing systems developed more recently, many of which were never logographic.
    Like the invention of the Cherokee syllabary, or the many scripts that have been popping up in West Africa for the last ~200 years.

  • @LadyDeirdre
    @LadyDeirdre 5 лет назад +4

    I think that broadly speaking, once people start working with ink, the most likely writing directions would be either top-to-bottom then left-to-right (classical Chinese) or left-to-right then top-to-bottom (any language using Latin or Cyrillic) for one simple reason: these two methods minimize the frequency and severity of smudges.

    • @Alice-gr1kb
      @Alice-gr1kb 5 лет назад +1

      LadyDeirdre unless of course your left handed (like me) where in that case it doesn't matter. Smudges always come about

    • @W_Qimuel
      @W_Qimuel 5 лет назад +1

      Except i believe claassical Chinese was top to bottom, right to left.

    • @tldoesntlikebread
      @tldoesntlikebread 4 года назад +2

      idk about Chinese but Japanese write top-to-bottom then right-to-left and I would've assumed Chinese and Japanese have the same wiritng direction considering Japanese got their writing system from Chinese.

  • @WhoTookGum
    @WhoTookGum 10 месяцев назад

    i never thought i'd hear fearofdark in a conlang video

  • @element1192
    @element1192 2 года назад +2

    4:43 Other writing systems have been independently developed such as Linear A, the Luwian hieroglyphs, the Cretan hieroglyphs, and Harappan (all of which, like Rongorongo, are undeciphered.)
    As far as I know, only the Ancient Egyptian and Ancient Hanzi lineages have survived from that period, with other lineages either emerging much later or dying out. The only one of the two that has survived in a form recognizably similar to its original ancestor is modern Hanzi. Most of the other most commonly spoken languages use writing systems descended from ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs, most notably Latin, Arabic, Devanagari, Bengali, and Cyrillic.

  • @thomascampbell127
    @thomascampbell127 2 года назад +4

    บา่พา่อา่ (báphádá) is the language I created from this tutorial. I used the Thai script for this language. Some fun facts are:
    The script is an abugida
    The script is read top-bottom then left-right
    The language is agglutinative
    The language has a complex Yin and Yang system
    The language uses vowel harmony which applies to the tones.

  • @fentogk6509
    @fentogk6509 4 года назад +3

    My writing system is the IPAs symbols for pronunciation,I decide on the script or writing system first so I know what I'll be using make it easier to set up and make sentences

    • @matthewparker9276
      @matthewparker9276 3 года назад

      I like using the IPA as the latinisation system, as it removes ambiguity about how words are pronounced, and work on the language using that, developing the true script later.

  • @kiapet286
    @kiapet286 4 года назад +4

    Something I would love to see is a look at how languages influence each other- like how English has both Germanic and Romantic derivations, the whole concept of loan words, or creoles.

  • @BeneathTheBrightSky
    @BeneathTheBrightSky 2 года назад

    I like the way you talked about Romanization. In my language Aeri, there are three "rolled" letters, coming from L, B, and R, which I decided to represent as the same characters, but with a wiggly line on the bottom to represent the wiggling of the uvula. For Romanization, I decided to go with the ~ symbol, leading to L~, B~, and R~. These look pretty natural, and are also the only instances of Romanization that I had to use. Me being an American-English speaker, I didn't want to mess about with too many sounds outside of the English Alphabet.

  • @stayinawesum
    @stayinawesum 4 года назад +1

    3:26 yes we modify the consonants by replacing the base vowel "short - a" of the consonants with another vowel (because it is impossible to separate consonant with vowel - at least for most of them, i haven't checked) but we do have letters for pure vowels too in our scripts not just abugidas

  • @aro4cinglife
    @aro4cinglife 3 года назад

    Thank you for making this wonderful series and getting us out of mediocracy in conlanging

  • @MGDrzyzga
    @MGDrzyzga 4 года назад +7

    Idea to revisit:
    Alphasyllabary derived from a syllabary with a constellation theme. So different constellations initially represented different syllables, and then alterations to the "stars" become a coding mechanism to denote alterations and connections in the sounds.
    So a writing system heavy on diacritics, which take the form of using existing circular structures in the writing and distinguishing open vs filled vs broken vs vertically crossed vs horizontally crossed vs doubly crossed circles. Wow. That's sounding like an opportunity to code a lot with diacritics. Perhaps to the point that, say, affixes could be denoted by diacritics rather than distinct characters. Or that an unpronounced character denoting meaning could be captured in diacritics.

  • @hayleetam9372
    @hayleetam9372 4 года назад

    i have to say, this video series is a godsend. i'm writing a story that involves a fictional language, and my first few attempts were shit. but then this pops up in my recommended, and now i have an entire word doc full of notes i've taken while watching this video series. thanks a lot!

  • @torspedia
    @torspedia 5 лет назад +3

    Just finished watching the series. Quite a lot to think about. Have you done a video on borrowing words from one or more conlangs and how to adapt them? As an example, if you're creating several different proto-langs, to flesh out the con-world!

  • @BryceOsborne23
    @BryceOsborne23 Год назад +1

    In my conlang, “The strange man eats an apple” translate to “peh r̊oth vuh tir`’ih suh`zhhah” pretty proud of it

  • @spinn4ntier487
    @spinn4ntier487 6 лет назад +1

    My work in progress conlang is going to be used for a fictional group of speakers, it will have a romanised form for general conversation, and a form written with alphabetic runes in a hexagonal system with three axes.
    The first axis for time, the second axis for conditional (if/then) statements and the third for some other grammatical feature I haven't decided on yet.
    Also there are no verbs, adjectives, nouns etc, all standard words are nouns unless affixed, denoting a verb, adjective or adverb. Other than that it's meant to resemble an Indo-European language, I'm even deriving some words from Sanskrit

  • @varganyamuvek
    @varganyamuvek 10 месяцев назад

    For some reason, I have been obsessed with writing systems in the last few semesters.

  • @sscgoatprodz
    @sscgoatprodz Год назад +2

    You should make a new episode of giving us word ideas

  • @georgios_5342
    @georgios_5342 5 лет назад

    This language just feels like Greek! Great job, really think you got the 100%. Very well done!

  • @afraboi
    @afraboi 2 года назад

    I watched this series and artifexians conlang playlist and i learend most of everything in a day(im not even kidding)

  • @treypelts6826
    @treypelts6826 4 года назад

    I hope you made a million dollars from this series!

  • @jeffersonrose9888
    @jeffersonrose9888 5 лет назад +8

    I'm thinking about a script derived from ancient people pressing broken bits of human rib bone into wet clay. Im justifying this as only the priests of the ancient civilization had access to bones of the dead and knowledge of writing. By breaking and sharpening the tips of cross sections of these stylus you could get many interesting shapes. Arches ∩,angles∧, lines ∣, points ∴, ovals (albeit angular ovals later simplified to circles.) I'm thinking each ancient characters would be combinations of no more than two imprints from a rib stylus and a writing kit had four two ended ribs.
    The trouble for me is I'm having trouble constructing the modified handwriting descendant of this cuneiform into non-Roman alphabet letters that can easily be written in cursive.
    Thoughts?

    • @Burrick
      @Burrick 5 лет назад

      Jefferson Rose Patent this. Now. I'm trying to create a unique system of my own..

    • @gordonbarnes7005
      @gordonbarnes7005 4 года назад

      Ok that's just awesome.

  • @Maliniasredmask
    @Maliniasredmask 3 года назад

    damn, I already know all about this and made my own language without even studying... it appears I am a god at making conlang!

  • @Ondohir
    @Ondohir 4 года назад

    I used clicks in my language besides vowels and consonants. It gives some very interesting rules.

  • @jatarokemuri4549
    @jatarokemuri4549 Год назад +1

    Japanese isn’t technically a syllabary as its glyphs indicates a different structure, a mora. A mora is basically a unit of time that a glyph takes up, and this unit is the same for each glyph. Syllables doesn’t necessarily correspond to moras. Nasal codas (nande なんで), gemination (satte さって) and vowel lengthening (kūkouくうこう) aren’t given their own syllables but take up an additional mora/glyph

  • @GreenNotebookGaming
    @GreenNotebookGaming Год назад +1

    I made a logography, and my symbols basically arbitrary (Besides fish, give, take, i/me, person, animal, etc.) except for the fact that the tense and plural are encoded in the symbol with lines. Past not recent is a line above the logograph, past recent is a line below, future one line of the left and one on the right, and plural is a triangle without the bottom line over the logograph.

  • @gav1233
    @gav1233 6 лет назад +6

    This language sounds like Hawaiian mixed with Maori and sprinkled with Malay. It looks like Lao. It's spoken in a place with characteristics similar to Samoa and Easter Island.
    #That'sprettygood

  • @sophiat7459
    @sophiat7459 4 года назад +12

    I'm curious - how common is it for a language to have multiple writing systems? I'm making a conlang for a culture with a strong poetic tradition, and I'm thinking of giving it two writing systems - a simple one for everyday use, and a more complex, "aesthetically pleasing" one for writing down songs and poems.

    • @chesspiece4257
      @chesspiece4257 2 года назад +3

      You could go with something like cursive and print, which is pretty common

    • @kirby_tardigrade
      @kirby_tardigrade 2 года назад +1

      Japanese has two syllabaries and a logography, so I think you're good!

    • @stevelansfordsaveukraine8751
      @stevelansfordsaveukraine8751 Месяц назад

      And georgian has 2 alphabets but the second ones lowercase is used more commonly than any other alphabet/case

  • @matterhorn731
    @matterhorn731 4 года назад +9

    So this is almost entirely off topic, but is the Egyptian word for cat (at 11:49) really "miw"? Like, transparently onomatopoeic similar to an English speaker's "meow"? That's... kind of adorable!
    Anyways, love the series! I feel like you really nailed the level of depth for this sort of introductory tutorial.

  • @kromyth_old
    @kromyth_old 3 года назад +1

    I have a suggestion. Make a video about making a very complicated conlang and/or writing system/script... maybe?