@@bowl1858 the apostrophes here do not represent glottal stops but ejective stops and affricates, you can find those stops and affricates on the consonant chart of ts'ap'u-k'ama at 3:56
To be fair... to have your conlang work without it being Yet Another Auxiliary Language (YAAL)... to have certain parts of it work--you need to have history to shape it. A fair amount of English is only part of English because of the history of English speakers.
It actually makes a lot of sense for conlangers to work this way. If you begin developing a proto language it almost immediately becomes important to know things about the world in which the language exists. Thus, as one comes up with justifications and explanations a would is born.
YES PLEASE, maybe it's cause I'm not as big of a conlanger, but seeing a new feature focus video in my feed would make me much happier, but still love these conlang videos too because they also contain interesting linguistic information
Can you start reading a ten minute story in each language? It could be the same story each time, but it could be anything, its relaxing, interesting, and could be a challenge to decipher based on what you teach us about in the video.
Speaking usually only takes seconds to produce a sentence. It would be a huge task to translate enough material for a ten-minute story, and even more work, I imagine, to make some entirely original story in the language. So don't hold your breath.
Watch the video about my first conlang and you'll see how much I sucked when I started out. As long as you keep practicing, you're going to keep on improving.
@Adam Fazari Indonesian and Malay have got some affixation and is grammatically agglutinative. Chinese grammar is dramatically more simpler than Bahasa Indonesia / Bahasa Melayu or Bahasa Malay. It's easy to learn, sure but Chinese grammar is more simpler, only orthography is complex and tones aren't that hard. Analytic languages like Chinese, Māori or Yorùbá are analytic and have no Inflection or have very very less Inflection. I would say they are simpler than Bahasa Indonesia.
@Adam Fazari Creating a conlang with synthetic grammar gives it a speciality I guess? There are hardly any analytic conlangs even tho the most spoken world language Chinese is analytic and the language I am writing in now English is also analytic.
you're like conlang critic, but you're actually a nice person edit: guys i was just kidding. i like conlang critic a lot. sometimes he just comes off that way so it was an easy joke
@@blabit4983 He rarely has a nice thing to say about the conlangs. Every writing system is ugly, every exhaustive work barely has any work put into it, etc. I do find him way too negative. I wouldn't submit my conlang (only one that has serious development, though it has dialects, and a second that is in conceptual phases with a (much better) writing system) to him, though I plan on developing it enough that it could be an auxlang if I didn't find the idea of auxlangs kind of dumb. I just want it to be that fleshed out, even if it doesn't have the prettiest writing system. He actually almost put me off doing more work on my own because he was so unnecessarily harsh about all of them.
I'm with Thecactigod Oh Poking a bit of fun doesn't make someone a bad person, nor does he make any pretense of being objective. Also, if you can't take a bit of criticism, then you probably shouldn't be making things in the first place. I would have suggested going to tumblr if you just want an echo chamber of niceties, but I think Tumblr's dying, so yeah.
@@Kraigon42 they probably just preference Constructive criticism, rather than just plain criticism. Which is understandable since criticism isn't nearly as useful as constructive criticism. If you can't keep it constructive or objective, you shouldn't be criticizing.
@@Kraigon42 And I'M with Tana Collier. Conlang Critic's criticism isn't really constructive in a lot of cases. Conlang Critic is free to say what he likes. I'm free to say he's not particularly nice. As for not being able to take criticism, why on earth would I submit my work to someone whose judgment I don't agree with? If he just found it on his own, then he's free to say whatever he wants. I'll probably disagree on most points, but while you have circlejerks like Tumblr on one hand, you have those that think tearing everything apart overy very subjective issues is the height of valid criticism, too. There IS a middle ground to be found, as much as people don't tend to understand that in this day and age.
I think I caught "tzotzonwa", which is a Nahuatl word meaning, if I remember right, "plays a musical instrument". It's part of the longest word in Orizaba Nahuatl, "inmatlaxkalolistlatikuinaltlatzotzonwan", meaning "their instruments that they slap with the hands (as if making tortillas) to make tinkling sounds", or in short, "their tambourines".
The evolution of the Oqolaawak really gives credit to: a) how much effort you put into making a beautiful naturalistic language, and b) how much I (among many others) want to hear more about this world, and the related languages. What is the flora and fauna like? How long have speakers beem around? How did their ancestors come about? What languages completely unrelated to Oqolaawak, and not having contacted the culture, exist on the planet? _What is their music history like?_ So many questions! So little time!
My first impression is that it doesn't seem that much less... amalgamated than Thandian, but you've obviously been thinking much more about the "soul" of the language, making it all fit quite nicely! Great expo, great conlang. I can only aspire to achieve the same level of conlanging.
Hello Biblaridion, I don't know if you'll see this but it's worth a try :) I came across your "My Top Ten Favorite Languages " video a few months ago and decided to subscribe. That video was aboslutely amazing and I was just wondering if you could maybe make another video like that, no necessarily on your "new" favorite languages but about some language in general. You went into great depth covering those 10 languages and I learned a great deal! If not then I will also completely understand. Best wishes to you!
I've made about 9 languages with complete grammars (only 4-5 of which are any good), and about two dozen sketches for languages that never got off the ground or just completely sucked (or both).
Fascinating! I would love to hear more about your other languages as well! I'm just getting started as a conlanger, and it's a real struggle, so to see what you did, and what you consider a good job, is really helpful.
Wow. There's so much stuff in this video that every time I watch it, I learn/pick up something that I didn't understand before. This is probably my fifth time watching, and I'm just now starting to understand how your whole noun-class system works, and there's still plenty more after that that I have to learn. Really great! 👍🏻
Interesting. All your business with your deriving inflected prepositions and applicatives reminds me of things I did in İstatikii. It also has inflecting prepositions (2 classes, one with person marking morphology from verbs, another with possessive marking morphology), and one of those classes ended up also forming applicatives. It's a very logical development when you think it through historically, I think. Some other places are very different of course. I do really like how much you are into deriving the history of the language. I hope to one day start doing scripts and get a similar depth of historical development as you've shown here. Kind of requires multiple languages and a decision of who started writing first.
Is İstatikii is related to Pahran? I remember being a touch confused when you were credited with it in the Conlang-y-er bonus documentary despite the fact that I'd never heard you mention it. Yeah, the inflecting prepositions in Oqolaawak were basically just an accident of naturalism. I knew from the start I wanted noun-like prepositions, and then once I figured out how possession worked, it just sort of made sense that they would inflect in the same way, and it equally made sense later that on in history they'd get suffixed onto verbs when a prepositional object is fronted.
I like Oqolaawak so much. It's seems very natural. And you used a lot of things that I never thought you can use in a language. Or things that I never heard about except, maybe, another video of yours. It's interesting, because opened to my mind possibilities for the languages I'm making. Specially because I practically do the same thing for the grammar. A lot of times my languages (none of them concluded yet) have singular, dual and plural number, cases (nominative, accusative, dative, ablative, locative, and vocative, but sometimes I got others). I think it's because I'm too influenced by Indo-European languages (and it's normal, since one of my languages is in fact just evolving proto Indo-European to another subdivision completely fictional). I would love if you share more of your conlangs. But probably I will be more interested in the history of Oqolaawak and how derived in another languages.
Wow! That's about all I can say. It sure blows any of my conlanging attempts, and those are few and far between, well out of the water! Good job, Biblaridion! I'd love to see more of your constructed languages or even just more content from Oqolaawak.
The government of this culture tends to be very involved in the language. Was there any instability of the government throughout it's history? What form of government is present?
I wish most governments were focused more on language instead of stupid politics that don’t really do anything except stir up drama. I wish this so we don’t have messes like English.
@@grimhavenz English is a mess, but it's not because of a lack of government intervention. It's a mess because of the extremely large mix of cultures, and the instability of Europe at the time it was created. Even languages where the government does intervene end up as, or arguably more complicated than English, such as Mandarin.
@@pinstripe7839 What do you mean by "Even languages where the government does intervene end up as, or arguably more complicated than English, such as Mandarin"? Like, can you give an example on why the goverment intervention on Mandarin made it "more complicated"? And why do you think Chinese writing is a mess at representing the spoken language just like English?
@@MRKLBS I'm not saying that the government intervention made it more complex, but throughout history, the Chinese government had a strong hand in the development of the language, and yet it still maintains to surround one of the most complex, and most difficult to learn, and use languages on the planet Earth. Comparing this to the complexity of English and the amount of government involvement in its growth, we can see that the complicated language has little to do with government structure, and so I'd like to know what the government history of this conlang's culture of origin is like.
I love how these don't even really feel like conlang showcases, I just feel like it's a sort of linguistics-based travel documentary wherein the viewer is whisked away to a far off location to talk about a civilization's grammar. It all feels very natural, and it's highly entertaining to watch.
I remember once on the Conlangery podcast, there was a discussion about a Native American language which exhibited the same animal speech pattern matching present in Oqolaawak. Very excellent 👌👌👌
Sometimes I like to think I'm doing a pretty great job with my worldbuilding, and then I get reminded of your mind-bogglingly complex and well-thought out systems for original biospheres and language/language groups and the history behind it all.
I just want to listen to you speak this and other conlangs more. It's absolutely beautiful! I love the unique details with the animals being attributed certain characteristics and speech patterns. Anything you share with us on this or other languages will be absorbed as best as possible with my meager knowledge and understanding
This inspire me to keep on working on my language, called Werlaandish, it's a germanic language, pretty close to English n Dutch. Hallo meij name is Rafael--hallo my name is Rafael. Ek ben zebentin jeire olt- I'm 17Y old. In de futuur ek wolld wik te zeijnen ain eletronik ingineer- in the future I'd like to be an eletronic engineer
@@neo-volesianempire3060 Dank duj Jaden. Ek wond dej idiom zaaer interessant , oup behold on te werken!--- thanks Jaden. I found your idiom very interesting, keep it up! 💪
Salara'ahn Alachibah mantïshjanurm barjka Seelvia'ha Darhaleemu ñemuttaccento o' Vihh Seelvia'ha, qayähi tukisa'ah diesá (Hello My Name is SalvaDaniel200 or Just Salva, Nice To Meet You in Marshipoly Wich is a Poly-Arabic Conlang that i made up)
Wow. That was highly concentrated and I certainly had to pause and rewind on a few occasions, but you have earned much of my respect and admiration. That was fascinating! I love the alphabet by the way. It's silly, but while conlangs have interested me for a while and I have a bunch of books about them, I've barely looked at any conlangs online. Maybe it's about time.
Truth be told, your videos inspire me a lot. This one in particular inspired me to make a creole language with a similar writing system for a fantasy world I'm creating. Tysm
It was so relaxing to listen to, even if I didn't understand half of it (to be fair, I was more letting it wash over me than listening to it properly, but I think I'll come back to it to listen properly at some point: even only half listening, I found it very interesting).
if i cant rap my head around it that means it's really good, great job man light years ahead of me maybe the language doesn't cater to my taste but it's very reall and well thought about keep up the good work.
Yeah. I'm just getting into this stuff and 5 minutes into the video I feel like I may need to major in linguistics just to keep up. I guess more research for me, then.
@@raysan_rosado366 Well, looks like I've got a LOT to go. It's going to be a lot, but the more I learn, the more it feels like the world opens up a bit in a way. Its fun.
Welp, I'm a few days late. I guess I forgot to click that stupid little bell icon, somehow? But that's a problem that's easy to fix. I might sound a bit like an echo saying it, but I think this language is pretty dang cool. And I'd certainly be down to watch more showcase videos. The part about how you derived the noun case system for Oqolaawak is going to be useful for the project I'm working on. Not quite sure how I didn't think of starting from noun classifiers, it fits really well. Anyways, great video! It's going to be helpful, and I appreciate it.
He gave language words for several animals which in the real world are extinct. Its rivers will likely be dangerous with 15-foot-long labyrinthodonts about.
This is great work! Really inspires me to start work on my own language family, still haven't worked out the best way to start though. Definitely would love to see more about your other conlangs!
The idea of noun classes intrigued me, and I'm even more excited after it gave me ideas for idioms it could lead to. In short, my idea of noun classes: 1) Abstract/conceptual. So your ethereal 2) Person-of-import/nobility/divine 3) Peer 4) Animal 5) Object So my idiom idea? Allow the swapping out of an affix to denote the speaker's feeling about the noun. Namely: - Using the "animal" affix for a person show disrespect. - Using the "object" affix for a person shows ownership. Not so much in the ownership/property vein, but the "I am strongly invested in this person" vein. (Though you can consider the psychology of the linguistics equating "I care about this person" to mean "this is MY person") Unrelated/probably better for a different language. Break down objects into classes: 1) Object of natural origin. 2) Object that I made. 3) Object made by someone else I know. 4) Object of unknown origin If these affixes do apply to people, I could imagine class 2 being used for family, class 1 being used for people in general, and the to insult by switching to the class 4 to either disown family or question the paternity of someone you're insulting.
I think i'm going to steal your Animacy Class. With some modifications, of course. Five years later, I still haven't done it, but I still think those animacy classes are rad af.
Love this language, ive been making my own for a couple months, evolving the writing and basic words before going fully in so that im satisfied, well, i can say this tho! "Chiinun daar vilch tyun teraanaar" (i am on it working) for formal, or "chiin dü vilch tye teraanü" for informal
Since you listed Navajo as one of your favorite languages, I can be fairly confident that you got the idea of animacy determining word order from there. Did you also manage to put lightning in the highest animacy category?
Could you perhaps do a video going more in-depth on the Oqolaawak animal registers? It's a really weird and really interesting idea, and I want to learn more about the exact differences between the registers.
Why didn't I come through this video before man! It is just awesome. I also am a great language lover and already invented my own conlang script. Though, I have to work further on the grammar and stuff. Really inspired by you man! #languagelover
Omg I would love if this was a series ! Do you also plan on doing more detailed videos on one of your conlangs in order to take more time to explore lore and vocabulary ? Regardless this is great !
random question, would 'the divine beings of the Oqolaate' be 'ipalquuquujut oqolaate' (alienable) or 'impalquuquujut oqolaate' (inalienable) I am going to guess inalienable, because generally you don't choose divine beings to exist. also, is Oqolaate even the plural of Oqolaayo or is it Oqolaat? - 10:28, forgive my asking, but in the gloss, you have used perfect, whilst in the example you used an imperfect suffix - you did it again at 11:46 - and 11:59 - with these suffixes, what do you do if the root ends in a consonant, because in other places you have given vowels in brackets if they can be used, but not here. Can roots even end in consonants? - I am going to assume that you simply add an A in between - 13:39 should say EX in the gloss, not EL - You mentioned diphthongs in the stress section (2:35), but never defined your diphthongs. - with regards to syllable structure, I have some queries You say it is CVC at 1:38, but the 1st person plural inclusive alienable possessive prefix is tswa- or chwa-, which has 2 onsets. also, even if this occured within the middle of a word, you say that ts & ch cannot be codas, but that any consonant can be followed by w and still only have 1 onset??? - you say hlitssoolwa is the word for temperature (12:21), I presume to fit the phonolatic rules that 'tss' here is the geminate of 'ts'? Wouldn't it be more likely to be 'tts', I don't know, who am I to judge? - 9:06, is Maai (person) 1 syllable or 2 (maa-i). - If it is 1, would it be 3 mora because it would have a long vowel and a diphthong? - 9:10, why is 'the two people' (maalko) not maalak, which would fit neater with the other numbers? - 8:15, mihlaao (beauty) is given as ethereal, but the ethereal must end in -w(a), you say at 9:00 - 8:45, why do two of your examples defy your vowel harmony system (weilom and toutuk)?
Wow. Guess what. Your videos inspired me to fix my first ever conlang which I still use and made it a proto language for my world building project that I only started last year but had the idea for about 6 years before finally implementing it. Thanks for the inspiration, I'll fix my first conlang ASAP
Wow! This is amazing, I had to pause the video a few times just to wrap my head around what was going on. I particularly liked the inclusion of animacy into word order and animal references as stereotypes, that had just never occurred to me as something you could do! Am I right in saying you took at least some inspiration from some indigenous North/Central American languages? A lot of the grammar, and certainly the phonology, looks like those.
Very interesting! The vowel deletion diacritic is actually used in many Indic languages... Even the shape is somewhat similar, although it occurs underneath the consonant, not over it as in Oqolaawak.
Very cool! I would say basically Uto-Aztecan but Bantu in the object agreement on verbs and in the classifiers becoming agreement. Also a touch of Athabascan in the palatal harmony. I like the way you present your language. The animacy hierarchy is very interesting; were you thinking of Kaddoan? Two points, if I may: - you basic "tenses" have the names and (as far as I can tell) the meaning of aspects. Why call them tenses? - Adjectives behaving "exactly" like verbs when used predicatively is on, if you were going for a natural language. When adjectives are verb-like, they are always a very special class of verbs.
This looks and sounds great. I love the animal-attribute register you described towards the end. I've been working on a conlang for about a year, but it makes no attempt to be naturalistic and has no history or mythology behind it. It suddenly looks like crap compared to this.
I know i'm a year late but, in my understanding, this script do not qualifies as an abuguida, because the vowels are independent from the consonants. Sorry for any mistake, i'm not a native English speaker.
Thought I'd write my comment in my own conlang. Gwziin! Igl neena puull sgidunq. Siizii Bwii nad faliis. Igl neena wusw siizii elouwA siizii chwmpI, za siizii swm chiiqi. Translated, it would read: Hello! I like your language. It is beautiful and elegant. I like also the story of the culture, as they seem very peaceful.
I’ve been making a language for about a month now. It’s called Rakun-tivsuy. It’s a VSO language that has many words that are Male or female sensitive. It has 26 letters(though the H sound is silent and is only used to distinguish certain sounds). It has a jagged writing system because they wrote on stone. The language has 30 sounds A B B’ C D R K V F S Z M N Ñ Y Y’ I Í O Ó E É U Ú Dh kk Dz Ih Uh It used to have the ‘Th’ sound but that sound soon turned into the ‘th’ sound in Thin. The language have a verily complicated sentence structure and writing system. The F sound changed from the ‘F’ sound to the V sound and the V makes a ‘Vh’ sound. Consonants always go before vowels. The vowels can’t be right next to each other. The same vowels can not repeat in a word, unless it a combination of two words. Consonants are not allowed to repeat in the same word nether unless it is also a combined word. Each word can have up to four different meanings, such as Rafvoñ, which means book, text, tome, or writing.Or Boszadh, which means need,crave,hunger, or lust. Basically, it’s just a little complicated.
So, I'm just starting my first language, and I was curious about a couple things. Having watched your "How to" series on the making of conlangs, I took up the task of making one myself, as a test, not really expecting too much. Something that came up when I was making was a question of whether you fully make the lexicon first, including proto affixes and derivational stuff, and then strictly move on to phonological and grammatical changes; or do you go back, make tweaks to the original lexicon as well as your phonological changes, to help make your conlang sound more like you'd like? I've really enjoyed your videos so far. Thanks for sharing!
I tend to make a basic framework of how the proto-lang works, then evolve the modern language, and then I allow myself to go back and forth for evolving more elements of grammar and deriving new words.
All I got out of that is the writing system. It's very nice. Part way between Mkhedruli (Georgian) and Elvish (lord if the rings). Most of the rest of the time, I don't know what you're talking about. But I really like how natural the whole thing seems.
I...really hate to do this, but at about 7:02 isn’t tsoolwa supposed to be spelled with a vowel-drop diacritic on the ? Otherwise wouldn’t it be understood as **tsoolawa? EDIT: my mistake, the diacritic added to make doesn’t necessarily discount the presence of a vowel following the consonant, which would make sense. Pardon me!
0:58 That spoken passage has the stress and pitch of an english speaker rhythmically counting off by 5s “5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40” Can’t be the only one who hears this
Anyone have tips for getting words to flow better with sound, usually when choosing a phonetic inventory for a conlang i just pick some sounds that sound vaguely similar or 'good' and then i randomly put sounds together for words and use similar sounds for the same concept. How can I improve the construction of words to make them flow better and easier to pronounce?
They took a syllabary from a logograph writing system from a neighboring country in a different language family..... and they used sound letters they didn't have for sounds the other language didn't have.... like yet another writing system...I see what you did there. The iterative marker is clever too.
*biblaridion:* I need a name for my conlang
*his friend:*
*biblaridion:* perfect
thus was the birth of ts'ap'u-k'ama
No replies? Must be an error.
Bro how tf do you do that
@@bowl1858 the apostrophes here do not represent glottal stops but ejective stops and affricates, you can find those stops and affricates on the consonant chart of ts'ap'u-k'ama at 3:56
that explains everything!
someone save him from his own creation
*when you create an entire country and its history just to make a language*
Well I mean Tolkien made an entire world history and several books for his languages, so he's not exactly in bad company!
@@voodoolilium lol ikr
now I'm imagining a subreddit called r/justtolkienthings
we need that
To be fair... to have your conlang work without it being Yet Another Auxiliary Language (YAAL)... to have certain parts of it work--you need to have history to shape it.
A fair amount of English is only part of English because of the history of English speakers.
"Writers make languages for their worlds; linguists make worlds for their languages."
He sounds like he is in pain when he says Ts'ap'u-K'ama
F*c*ing ejective conconants
See Georgian for an exemple
Those are HARD!
He sounds like someone rockin' the ejectives when he says Ts'ap'u-K'ama
Ƿynnťari Thought those were clicks at first
@@bradpara well, they're both non-pulmonary consonants, so you're not wrong
The writing system looks great.
I must ask IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR SOFTWARES WHAT DO I USE TO MAKE A WRITING SYSTEM please?
@@alienality4613 I use Fontforge.
It looks like georgian but is different
Clarifying that idea Georgian from Middle East not Georgian in the states
It looks similar to Balinese to me, which is one of my favorite real writing systems.
Everyone else: **Create language for country**
This guy: **Creates country for language**
i mean, that was tolkien's thing too
It actually makes a lot of sense for conlangers to work this way. If you begin developing a proto language it almost immediately becomes important to know things about the world in which the language exists. Thus, as one comes up with justifications and explanations a would is born.
No, he actually created the languages for a conworld, "the Refugium" but he now pretty much just uses it for conlanging.
So... Yesn't?
Best comment😆😆😂😂😂
Oqolaawak Duolingo course when?
Right on
in 2 months
memrise when lol
Nah Ts apu Kama I wanna know how to say that really sharp t
Project 2037 its been 2 months
Dude, make a website and put grammars on there so we can learn these languages. Please?
same fam
As for an idea, Miraheze (a third-party wiki platform using Wikimedia formatting) is often used
Yes!
Maybe make card sets for Anki or courses on Memrise, even?
considering he cant even pronounce his conlangs names right I beg to differ
I thought my sound was fucking up everytime you said Ts'ap'u-K'ama until I noticed the three ejectives in the word lol
Love the sound of your con-language. People here asking for more conlangs. Do more feature focus. I absolutely love they way you explain linguistics.
YES PLEASE, maybe it's cause I'm not as big of a conlanger, but seeing a new feature focus video in my feed would make me much happier, but still love these conlang videos too because they also contain interesting linguistic information
Can you start reading a ten minute story in each language? It could be the same story each time, but it could be anything, its relaxing, interesting, and could be a challenge to decipher based on what you teach us about in the video.
YES
Speaking usually only takes seconds to produce a sentence. It would be a huge task to translate enough material for a ten-minute story, and even more work, I imagine, to make some entirely original story in the language. So don't hold your breath.
@@SovairuWho said he has to write an original one? I do agree though that it’s unlikely to ever see anything like that.
@Debre. Hey I was gonna say that!
This is actually a conlang show OFF, I mean, very well done, I wouldn't have thought of these complicated things, this is a great inspiration
I need more conlang showcases IMMEDIATELY
Edit: thank you SOOOO MUCH! I've never gotten this many likes
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Wow, I now realise that every conlang I will ever make sucks in comparison v_v
This is so detailed and well-done, you really have great talent!
Watch the video about my first conlang and you'll see how much I sucked when I started out. As long as you keep practicing, you're going to keep on improving.
@Adam Fazari
Indonesian and Malay have got some affixation and is grammatically agglutinative.
Chinese grammar is dramatically more simpler than Bahasa Indonesia / Bahasa Melayu or Bahasa Malay.
It's easy to learn, sure but Chinese grammar is more simpler, only orthography is complex and tones aren't that hard.
Analytic languages like Chinese, Māori or Yorùbá are analytic and have no Inflection or have very very less Inflection.
I would say they are simpler than Bahasa Indonesia.
@Adam Fazari
Creating a conlang with synthetic grammar gives it a speciality I guess?
There are hardly any analytic conlangs even tho the most spoken world language Chinese is analytic and the language I am writing in now English is also analytic.
That is why I just make scripts
@@yourowndealer i agree actually
Αυτή η γλώσσα είναι πολύ εντυπωσιακή! Συγχαρητήρια, έκανες τη δική σου γλώσσα. Κάποια μέρα ελπίζω να το κάνω αυτό!
you're like conlang critic, but you're actually a nice person
edit: guys i was just kidding. i like conlang critic a lot. sometimes he just comes off that way so it was an easy joke
How is conlang critic mean
@@blabit4983 He rarely has a nice thing to say about the conlangs. Every writing system is ugly, every exhaustive work barely has any work put into it, etc. I do find him way too negative. I wouldn't submit my conlang (only one that has serious development, though it has dialects, and a second that is in conceptual phases with a (much better) writing system) to him, though I plan on developing it enough that it could be an auxlang if I didn't find the idea of auxlangs kind of dumb. I just want it to be that fleshed out, even if it doesn't have the prettiest writing system. He actually almost put me off doing more work on my own because he was so unnecessarily harsh about all of them.
I'm with Thecactigod Oh
Poking a bit of fun doesn't make someone a bad person, nor does he make any pretense of being objective.
Also, if you can't take a bit of criticism, then you probably shouldn't be making things in the first place. I would have suggested going to tumblr if you just want an echo chamber of niceties, but I think Tumblr's dying, so yeah.
@@Kraigon42 they probably just preference Constructive criticism, rather than just plain criticism. Which is understandable since criticism isn't nearly as useful as constructive criticism. If you can't keep it constructive or objective, you shouldn't be criticizing.
@@Kraigon42 And I'M with Tana Collier. Conlang Critic's criticism isn't really constructive in a lot of cases.
Conlang Critic is free to say what he likes. I'm free to say he's not particularly nice.
As for not being able to take criticism, why on earth would I submit my work to someone whose judgment I don't agree with? If he just found it on his own, then he's free to say whatever he wants. I'll probably disagree on most points, but while you have circlejerks like Tumblr on one hand, you have those that think tearing everything apart overy very subjective issues is the height of valid criticism, too. There IS a middle ground to be found, as much as people don't tend to understand that in this day and age.
Sounds a lot like Nahuatl to me, purely based on the phonology anyway. The story behind the script is very reminiscent of Phoenician and Greek.
I think I caught "tzotzonwa", which is a Nahuatl word meaning, if I remember right, "plays a musical instrument". It's part of the longest word in Orizaba Nahuatl, "inmatlaxkalolistlatikuinaltlatzotzonwan", meaning "their instruments that they slap with the hands (as if making tortillas) to make tinkling sounds", or in short, "their tambourines".
Sounds Polynesian and native to me
@@AD-mq1qj native what
The evolution of the Oqolaawak really gives credit to:
a) how much effort you put into making a beautiful naturalistic language, and
b) how much I (among many others) want to hear more about this world, and the related languages. What is the flora and fauna like? How long have speakers beem around? How did their ancestors come about? What languages completely unrelated to Oqolaawak, and not having contacted the culture, exist on the planet? _What is their music history like?_ So many questions! So little time!
4:35 look at all that beauty. I'd say, this set of characters really has more potential than credited.
My first impression is that it doesn't seem that much less... amalgamated than Thandian, but you've obviously been thinking much more about the "soul" of the language, making it all fit quite nicely! Great expo, great conlang. I can only aspire to achieve the same level of conlanging.
Hello Biblaridion, I don't know if you'll see this but it's worth a try :)
I came across your "My Top Ten Favorite Languages
" video a few months ago and decided to subscribe.
That video was aboslutely amazing and I was just wondering if you could maybe make another video like that, no necessarily on your "new" favorite languages but about some language in general. You went into great depth covering those 10 languages and I learned a great deal! If not then I will also completely understand.
Best wishes to you!
I've got a long list of video topics to cover, but I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the comment!
@@Biblaridion Thank you for replying :)
@@user-rr7dg9sm4g what Top 10 Favorite Languages video? Was it made private or smth?
Now, I must ask, how many languages have you made
more than a dozen
Manuel Oribe | how do you know? You’re not him...
Sademäärä I think he said it in one of his videos
I've made about 9 languages with complete grammars (only 4-5 of which are any good), and about two dozen sketches for languages that never got off the ground or just completely sucked (or both).
@@Biblaridion Please make similar videos for the other good ones, this is great 😃
Fascinating! I would love to hear more about your other languages as well! I'm just getting started as a conlanger, and it's a real struggle, so to see what you did, and what you consider a good job, is really helpful.
Wow. There's so much stuff in this video that every time I watch it, I learn/pick up something that I didn't understand before. This is probably my fifth time watching, and I'm just now starting to understand how your whole noun-class system works, and there's still plenty more after that that I have to learn. Really great! 👍🏻
I would like to see more cultural stuff and also the full Oqolaawak’s grammar. Good job. You’re very talented.
Interesting. All your business with your deriving inflected prepositions and applicatives reminds me of things I did in İstatikii. It also has inflecting prepositions (2 classes, one with person marking morphology from verbs, another with possessive marking morphology), and one of those classes ended up also forming applicatives. It's a very logical development when you think it through historically, I think.
Some other places are very different of course. I do really like how much you are into deriving the history of the language. I hope to one day start doing scripts and get a similar depth of historical development as you've shown here. Kind of requires multiple languages and a decision of who started writing first.
Is İstatikii is related to Pahran? I remember being a touch confused when you were credited with it in the Conlang-y-er bonus documentary despite the fact that I'd never heard you mention it.
Yeah, the inflecting prepositions in Oqolaawak were basically just an accident of naturalism. I knew from the start I wanted noun-like prepositions, and then once I figured out how possession worked, it just sort of made sense that they would inflect in the same way, and it equally made sense later that on in history they'd get suffixed onto verbs when a prepositional object is fronted.
@@Biblaridion They are the same. İstatikii is now the proper name for what was Middle Pahran, which was just a placeholder.
"With some exceptions", that right there means you nailed a natural language where all the supposed "rules" have a million exceptions
how did you turn the writing system into a typable font?
Use websites or download a software
SVG images
He said in a reply to another comment that he uses fontforge
yes ^
I like Oqolaawak so much. It's seems very natural. And you used a lot of things that I never thought you can use in a language. Or things that I never heard about except, maybe, another video of yours.
It's interesting, because opened to my mind possibilities for the languages I'm making. Specially because I practically do the same thing for the grammar. A lot of times my languages (none of them concluded yet) have singular, dual and plural number, cases (nominative, accusative, dative, ablative, locative, and vocative, but sometimes I got others). I think it's because I'm too influenced by Indo-European languages (and it's normal, since one of my languages is in fact just evolving proto Indo-European to another subdivision completely fictional).
I would love if you share more of your conlangs. But probably I will be more interested in the history of Oqolaawak and how derived in another languages.
Wow! That's about all I can say. It sure blows any of my conlanging attempts, and those are few and far between, well out of the water! Good job, Biblaridion! I'd love to see more of your constructed languages or even just more content from Oqolaawak.
The government of this culture tends to be very involved in the language. Was there any instability of the government throughout it's history? What form of government is present?
I wish most governments were focused more on language instead of stupid politics that don’t really do anything except stir up drama. I wish this so we don’t have messes like English.
@@grimhavenz English is a mess, but it's not because of a lack of government intervention. It's a mess because of the extremely large mix of cultures, and the instability of Europe at the time it was created. Even languages where the government does intervene end up as, or arguably more complicated than English, such as Mandarin.
@@pinstripe7839 What do you mean by "Even languages where the government does intervene end up as, or arguably more complicated than English, such as Mandarin"?
Like, can you give an example on why the goverment intervention on Mandarin made it "more complicated"? And why do you think Chinese writing is a mess at representing the spoken language just like English?
@@MRKLBS I'm not saying that the government intervention made it more complex, but throughout history, the Chinese government had a strong hand in the development of the language, and yet it still maintains to surround one of the most complex, and most difficult to learn, and use languages on the planet Earth. Comparing this to the complexity of English and the amount of government involvement in its growth, we can see that the complicated language has little to do with government structure, and so I'd like to know what the government history of this conlang's culture of origin is like.
Wait... wait... are you suggesting how complicated something ends up resulting has no correlation with whether the government is involved?
I'm interested to see how you simulate creolization in your daughter languages. Please do more of these.
I love how these don't even really feel like conlang showcases, I just feel like it's a sort of linguistics-based travel documentary wherein the viewer is whisked away to a far off location to talk about a civilization's grammar. It all feels very natural, and it's highly entertaining to watch.
I remember once on the Conlangery podcast, there was a discussion about a Native American language which exhibited the same animal speech pattern matching present in Oqolaawak. Very excellent 👌👌👌
The script reminds me of Georgian.
Burmese, it looks to me.
The phonology of his second language (with the more exotic phonology) is almost exactly the same as Georgian's.
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Rohan Zener nah, Saurashtra.
I would honestly love to see more just on Oqolaawak!
Sometimes I like to think I'm doing a pretty great job with my worldbuilding, and then I get reminded of your mind-bogglingly complex and well-thought out systems for original biospheres and language/language groups and the history behind it all.
I just want to listen to you speak this and other conlangs more. It's absolutely beautiful!
I love the unique details with the animals being attributed certain characteristics and speech patterns. Anything you share with us on this or other languages will be absorbed as best as possible with my meager knowledge and understanding
This inspire me to keep on working on my language, called Werlaandish, it's a germanic language, pretty close to English n Dutch.
Hallo meij name is Rafael--hallo my name is Rafael.
Ek ben zebentin jeire olt- I'm 17Y old.
In de futuur ek wolld wik te zeijnen ain eletronik ingineer- in the future I'd like to be an eletronic engineer
Avelino Fernandes ac ñam ser eãcali vparabún ( aʃ ɲam θa eao ᵏalɪ) ---> hi im Jaden congratulations
@@neo-volesianempire3060 Dank duj Jaden. Ek wond dej idiom zaaer interessant , oup behold on te werken!--- thanks Jaden. I found your idiom very interesting, keep it up! 💪
Adbutasalamaas,Arţom ĥez dele (Adbutasalamās,Artiom khes tele)Hello my name is artem in Axanian
Salara'ahn Alachibah mantïshjanurm barjka Seelvia'ha Darhaleemu ñemuttaccento o' Vihh Seelvia'ha, qayähi tukisa'ah diesá (Hello My Name is SalvaDaniel200 or Just Salva, Nice To Meet You in Marshipoly Wich is a Poly-Arabic Conlang that i made up)
I love the look of the Ts'ap'u-K'ama Logographs
I JUST SAW SUMA'A IN THERE, HOW HAVE WE NEVER NOTICED?
Wow. That was highly concentrated and I certainly had to pause and rewind on a few occasions, but you have earned much of my respect and admiration. That was fascinating! I love the alphabet by the way. It's silly, but while conlangs have interested me for a while and I have a bunch of books about them, I've barely looked at any conlangs online. Maybe it's about time.
Truth be told, your videos inspire me a lot.
This one in particular inspired me to make a creole language with a similar writing system for a fantasy world I'm creating. Tysm
This is my third time watching it's such a well made video and conlang! Please make more like this!
This is phenomenal, so thorough and well presented.
It was so relaxing to listen to, even if I didn't understand half of it (to be fair, I was more letting it wash over me than listening to it properly, but I think I'll come back to it to listen properly at some point: even only half listening, I found it very interesting).
if i cant rap my head around it that means it's really good, great job man light years ahead of me maybe the language doesn't cater to my taste but it's very reall and well thought about keep up the good work.
Hell yes we need more vids like this. Thanks for sharing all your hard work :0
Oqolaawak is SO UNIQUE! I absolutely love the concept of animacy classes, tbh. It feels like a really interesting alternative to grammatical gender.
I’m astonished by all of this! I have more research to do if I want to come close to your level.
Yeah. I'm just getting into this stuff and 5 minutes into the video I feel like I may need to major in linguistics just to keep up. I guess more research for me, then.
JBDBIB Baerman I’ve been doing this for awhile, we both have got a lot to learn
@@raysan_rosado366 Well, looks like I've got a LOT to go. It's going to be a lot, but the more I learn, the more it feels like the world opens up a bit in a way. Its fun.
I would love to learn more about their culture and society.
*slams desk* ANOTHER!
Welp, I'm a few days late. I guess I forgot to click that stupid little bell icon, somehow? But that's a problem that's easy to fix.
I might sound a bit like an echo saying it, but I think this language is pretty dang cool. And I'd certainly be down to watch more showcase videos.
The part about how you derived the noun case system for Oqolaawak is going to be useful for the project I'm working on. Not quite sure how I didn't think of starting from noun classifiers, it fits really well. Anyways, great video! It's going to be helpful, and I appreciate it.
Magnificent.
Actually a 30 minute video since I had to pause to read interesting stuff so much.
Notice how our writing systems are overwhelmingly one-dimensional?
Fantástico ! Você é simplesmente um gênio ! Parabéns pela iniciativa . Saudações de Brasil !
This was fantastically interesting. I'd love to see more of these!
Absolutely love the way numbers are written
I loved this! MORE PLEASE! I love your conlangs and would like to see More members of the Oqolaawak and Thirean Family Trees.
This was so interesting and I'd love to hear more!
He gave language words for several animals which in the real world are extinct. Its rivers will likely be dangerous with 15-foot-long labyrinthodonts about.
This is incredibly well thought out. Good job! :D
This is great work! Really inspires me to start work on my own language family, still haven't worked out the best way to start though.
Definitely would love to see more about your other conlangs!
how do you make it to wear your symbols are inside of the boxes? I can't seem to figure it out. Cheers!
The idea of noun classes intrigued me, and I'm even more excited after it gave me ideas for idioms it could lead to. In short, my idea of noun classes:
1) Abstract/conceptual. So your ethereal
2) Person-of-import/nobility/divine
3) Peer
4) Animal
5) Object
So my idiom idea? Allow the swapping out of an affix to denote the speaker's feeling about the noun. Namely:
- Using the "animal" affix for a person show disrespect.
- Using the "object" affix for a person shows ownership. Not so much in the ownership/property vein, but the "I am strongly invested in this person" vein. (Though you can consider the psychology of the linguistics equating "I care about this person" to mean "this is MY person")
Unrelated/probably better for a different language. Break down objects into classes:
1) Object of natural origin.
2) Object that I made.
3) Object made by someone else I know.
4) Object of unknown origin
If these affixes do apply to people, I could imagine class 2 being used for family, class 1 being used for people in general, and the to insult by switching to the class 4 to either disown family or question the paternity of someone you're insulting.
I think i'm going to steal your Animacy Class. With some modifications, of course.
Five years later, I still haven't done it, but I still think those animacy classes are rad af.
I love the writing system, it has a pleasing aesthetic
Love this language, ive been making my own for a couple months, evolving the writing and basic words before going fully in so that im satisfied, well, i can say this tho! "Chiinun daar vilch tyun teraanaar" (i am on it working) for formal, or "chiin dü vilch tye teraanü" for informal
Since you listed Navajo as one of your favorite languages, I can be fairly confident that you got the idea of animacy determining word order from there.
Did you also manage to put lightning in the highest animacy category?
Could you perhaps do a video going more in-depth on the Oqolaawak animal registers? It's a really weird and really interesting idea, and I want to learn more about the exact differences between the registers.
Why didn't I come through this video before man! It is just awesome. I also am a great language lover and already invented my own conlang script. Though, I have to work further on the grammar and stuff. Really inspired by you man! #languagelover
Omg I would love if this was a series ! Do you also plan on doing more detailed videos on one of your conlangs in order to take more time to explore lore and vocabulary ? Regardless this is great !
I'd love to see a showcase of Ts'ap'u-K'ama
ive got to say either oqolaawak or ilothwii has got to be my favorite languages on this channel
Halfway through the video I forgot it's a conlang you're talking about, it sounds so real.
random question, would 'the divine beings of the Oqolaate' be 'ipalquuquujut oqolaate' (alienable) or 'impalquuquujut oqolaate' (inalienable)
I am going to guess inalienable, because generally you don't choose divine beings to exist.
also, is Oqolaate even the plural of Oqolaayo or is it Oqolaat?
- 10:28, forgive my asking, but in the gloss, you have used perfect, whilst in the example you used an imperfect suffix
- you did it again at 11:46
- and 11:59
- with these suffixes, what do you do if the root ends in a consonant, because in other places you have given vowels in brackets if they can be used, but not here. Can roots even end in consonants?
- I am going to assume that you simply add an A in between
- 13:39 should say EX in the gloss, not EL
- You mentioned diphthongs in the stress section (2:35), but never defined your diphthongs.
- with regards to syllable structure, I have some queries You say it is CVC at 1:38, but the 1st person plural inclusive alienable possessive prefix is tswa- or chwa-, which has 2 onsets. also, even if this occured within the middle of a word, you say that ts & ch cannot be codas, but that any consonant can be followed by w and still only have 1 onset???
- you say hlitssoolwa is the word for temperature (12:21), I presume to fit the phonolatic rules that 'tss' here is the geminate of 'ts'? Wouldn't it be more likely to be 'tts', I don't know, who am I to judge?
- 9:06, is Maai (person) 1 syllable or 2 (maa-i).
- If it is 1, would it be 3 mora because it would have a long vowel and a diphthong?
- 9:10, why is 'the two people' (maalko) not maalak, which would fit neater with the other numbers?
- 8:15, mihlaao (beauty) is given as ethereal, but the ethereal must end in -w(a), you say at 9:00
- 8:45, why do two of your examples defy your vowel harmony system (weilom and toutuk)?
I'll have to watch this video few times more to get everything. Very good video!
Wow. Guess what. Your videos inspired me to fix my first ever conlang which I still use and made it a proto language for my world building project that I only started last year but had the idea for about 6 years before finally implementing it. Thanks for the inspiration, I'll fix my first conlang ASAP
Wow! This is amazing, I had to pause the video a few times just to wrap my head around what was going on. I particularly liked the inclusion of animacy into word order and animal references as stereotypes, that had just never occurred to me as something you could do! Am I right in saying you took at least some inspiration from some indigenous North/Central American languages? A lot of the grammar, and certainly the phonology, looks like those.
I don't know if it was intentional, but the whole inherent-vowel thing is very reminiscent of how it works in the Bengali script. Love it!
I love the sort of rhythm that it has
Very interesting! The vowel deletion diacritic is actually used in many Indic languages... Even the shape is somewhat similar, although it occurs underneath the consonant, not over it as in Oqolaawak.
Very cool! I would say basically Uto-Aztecan but Bantu in the object agreement on verbs and in the classifiers becoming agreement. Also a touch of Athabascan in the palatal harmony. I like the way you present your language. The animacy hierarchy is very interesting; were you thinking of Kaddoan?
Two points, if I may:
- you basic "tenses" have the names and (as far as I can tell) the meaning of aspects. Why call them tenses?
- Adjectives behaving "exactly" like verbs when used predicatively is on, if you were going for a natural language. When adjectives are verb-like, they are always a very special class of verbs.
uh... I... I'm just going to… disappear in the shadows of my non finished and not very well thought out conlang…
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This looks and sounds great. I love the animal-attribute register you described towards the end.
I've been working on a conlang for about a year, but it makes no attempt to be naturalistic and has no history or mythology behind it. It suddenly looks like crap compared to this.
Don't worry, I've personally been doing this for about 7 years and Ive been bad at it for 6 of them
When you began describing Oqolaawak's script, you could have just said that it's an abugida.
I know i'm a year late but, in my understanding, this script do not qualifies as an abuguida, because the vowels are independent from the consonants.
Sorry for any mistake, i'm not a native English speaker.
I know. 😂
that’s AMAZING HOLY COW UR SO TALENTED WOT
Thought I'd write my comment in my own conlang.
Gwziin! Igl neena puull sgidunq. Siizii Bwii nad faliis. Igl neena wusw siizii elouwA siizii chwmpI, za siizii swm chiiqi.
Translated, it would read: Hello! I like your language. It is beautiful and elegant. I like also the story of the culture, as they seem very peaceful.
Re-watching this for the billionth time, kinda wondering if or when we could get a video on ts'ap'u-k'ama?
I’ve been making a language for about a month now. It’s called Rakun-tivsuy. It’s a VSO language that has many words that are Male or female sensitive. It has 26 letters(though the H sound is silent and is only used to distinguish certain sounds). It has a jagged writing system because they wrote on stone. The language has 30 sounds
A B B’ C D R K V F S Z M N Ñ Y Y’ I Í O Ó E É U Ú Dh kk Dz Ih Uh
It used to have the ‘Th’ sound but that sound soon turned into the ‘th’ sound in Thin.
The language have a verily complicated sentence structure and writing system.
The F sound changed from the ‘F’ sound to the V sound and the V makes a ‘Vh’ sound.
Consonants always go before vowels. The vowels can’t be right next to each other. The same vowels can not repeat in a word, unless it a combination of two words. Consonants are not allowed to repeat in the same word nether unless it is also a combined word.
Each word can have up to four different meanings, such as Rafvoñ, which means book, text, tome, or writing.Or Boszadh, which means need,crave,hunger, or lust.
Basically, it’s just a little complicated.
So, I'm just starting my first language, and I was curious about a couple things. Having watched your "How to" series on the making of conlangs, I took up the task of making one myself, as a test, not really expecting too much. Something that came up when I was making was a question of whether you fully make the lexicon first, including proto affixes and derivational stuff, and then strictly move on to phonological and grammatical changes; or do you go back, make tweaks to the original lexicon as well as your phonological changes, to help make your conlang sound more like you'd like? I've really enjoyed your videos so far. Thanks for sharing!
I tend to make a basic framework of how the proto-lang works, then evolve the modern language, and then I allow myself to go back and forth for evolving more elements of grammar and deriving new words.
@@Biblaridion Okay, cool. That's very helpful to know. Thanks for the reply. Hope to see more of your language videos as you upload them!
This is so interesting. I can't wait to be a little more up to speed so I understand everything better.
All I got out of that is the writing system. It's very nice. Part way between Mkhedruli (Georgian) and Elvish (lord if the rings). Most of the rest of the time, I don't know what you're talking about. But I really like how natural the whole thing seems.
How do you write the H sound in Iılwa for Classical Oqolaawak? Do you write it with the iteration marker or with the KH letter?
"Ts'ap'u-k'ama" legit sounds like choking.
I...really hate to do this, but at about 7:02 isn’t tsoolwa supposed to be spelled with a vowel-drop diacritic on the ? Otherwise wouldn’t it be understood as **tsoolawa?
EDIT: my mistake, the diacritic added to make doesn’t necessarily discount the presence of a vowel following the consonant, which would make sense. Pardon me!
Yes, yes it should. That's what I get for not coding my fonts properly. Well spotted.
0:58 That spoken passage has the stress and pitch of an english speaker rhythmically counting off by 5s
“5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40”
Can’t be the only one who hears this
Anyone have tips for getting words to flow better with sound, usually when choosing a phonetic inventory for a conlang i just pick some sounds that sound vaguely similar or 'good' and then i randomly put sounds together for words and use similar sounds for the same concept. How can I improve the construction of words to make them flow better and easier to pronounce?
Love the massive amount of vowels that can be at the end of a word lol
They took a syllabary from a logograph writing system from a neighboring country in a different language family..... and they used sound letters they didn't have for sounds the other language didn't have.... like yet another writing system...I see what you did there. The iterative marker is clever too.
“Ts’ap’u-K’ama” sounds painful to pronounce
I don't think I've ever seen word order by animacy before! Super interesting