Conlang: How to Make Good Words

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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024

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  • @XxCastlegirl_07xX
    @XxCastlegirl_07xX Год назад +186

    As a kid I made “imaginary languages” and “secret language” now I do the same thing, just a fancier word. I love conlangs.

    • @mamamiyalozatoz
      @mamamiyalozatoz 3 месяца назад +6

      i thought my interest in conlang was something entirely new but you've made me realize I've done the exact same thing when I was a child

  • @ichbinben.
    @ichbinben. 2 года назад +599

    What I like to do is write down a normal, everyday conversation between people who speak my conlang, and then translate it into said conlang. Maybe two neigbours talking about current events, or someone buying food from a market and having a little convo with a vendor, or maybe a family having a discussion at the dinner table. It helps flesh out both the world and the language at the same time. I once wrote a series of very horny love letters between a noblewoman and her secret lover, which was fun, because I got very creative with euphemisms for genitals XD

    • @valkeakirahvi
      @valkeakirahvi 2 года назад +25

      Sounds awesome XD I try to do something like this too.

    • @3u-n3ma_r1-c0
      @3u-n3ma_r1-c0 2 года назад

      lmfao series of very horny love letters

    • @sby60118
      @sby60118 2 года назад +10

      Great idea!

    • @fikatrouvaille3670
      @fikatrouvaille3670 2 года назад +59

      Oh I do this too!!! The first time I did this I accidentally created my first in-conlang pun so I figured I must be doing something right

    • @l_alphy
      @l_alphy 2 года назад +13

      Du bist Ben.

  • @Double-Negative
    @Double-Negative 2 года назад +274

    Another interesting way to generate words: try acting as if other languages borrowed your words, then reanalyze the results
    This is how "anime" came to be. Japanese took "animation" shortened it to "anime" and that word was reincorporated into english.
    Another example: karaoke. Japanese took "orchestra" turned it onto "oke" and put "empty" (kara) in front. Then the word was taken back into english with the pronunciation changed drastically once more

  • @lowencraft1404
    @lowencraft1404 2 года назад +592

    In my opinion, my favourite easter egg in any conlang, is that the Klingon word for "fish" is "Ghoti" (you know where that came from)

    • @AndIChoseToSpeakFAX
      @AndIChoseToSpeakFAX 2 года назад +83

      Lau(gh) Lauf
      W(o)men Wimen
      Na(ti)on Nashon

    • @fursona_au_chocolat
      @fursona_au_chocolat 2 года назад +13

      @@AndIChoseToSpeakFAX the "o" is from "women"

    • @AndIChoseToSpeakFAX
      @AndIChoseToSpeakFAX 2 года назад +2

      @@fursona_au_chocolat thx

    • @liamannegarner8083
      @liamannegarner8083 Год назад +115

      I almost fainted when I realized "nuqneQ," the greeting "what do you want," is literally: "Knock knock." I never see anybody mention that one.

    • @PedraamJam
      @PedraamJam Год назад +3

      I dont

  • @seattlesalt5248
    @seattlesalt5248 2 года назад +464

    I know that fire sound effect is meant to be like sitting by a fire while you tell us about conlangs, but I interpreted it as more like you're recording in a house that's burning down...
    Great video by the way! I'm currently making my first conlang and these tips definitely helped me to have a clear way to create it.

    • @raspberryjam
      @raspberryjam 2 года назад +20

      agreed, and if you could eq it so the higher frequencies not to sharp as it kind of hurts my ears

    • @Aqua2D
      @Aqua2D Год назад +5

      mahbe that was the intent

    • @ColinPaddock
      @ColinPaddock Год назад +6

      While it was clearly fire, my broken-ass brain interpreted it as the crackling noise on an old wax-cylinder phonograph. An association with my intro to linguistics class while I was studying mechanical engineering in school…

    • @carythacker8049
      @carythacker8049 Год назад +3

      It's so distracting I literally couldn't finish the video 😭

    • @daydariftwalker
      @daydariftwalker 11 месяцев назад +1

      I didn't realize there was any background noise until you pointed it out

  • @notoriouswhitemoth
    @notoriouswhitemoth 2 года назад +132

    @16:00 'you're the burglar, go burgle something' - Tolkien was first and foremost a linguist. I'm sure he was well aware of what he was doing there

  • @eduardoo31
    @eduardoo31 Год назад +302

    An interesting cross language reanalysis example: in portuguese it's common to call a burger a "xis" (aka the name of letter x), and then attach a word representing the type of burger to the ending, like x-ovo (burger with an egg) or x-frango (chicken burger). The funny thing is that xis comes from the english cheese, as in cheeseburger.

    • @alice__the__queen
      @alice__the__queen Год назад +13

      agora quero um x-tudão

    • @rafaelbarizan
      @rafaelbarizan Год назад +14

      X-salada o mais icônico

    • @sadzpea
      @sadzpea Год назад +22

      oh my goodness, I never noticed that! I've always wondered where the x came from
      I'm imagining a dumb joke where I'd say to my friends "I brought a x-ovo for lunch", and then they'd be all surprised when I take an egg splattered with cheese on top from my lunchbox.

    • @kasane1337
      @kasane1337 Год назад +14

      @@sadzpea *ovo* vhat's this?

    • @rafaelbarizan
      @rafaelbarizan Год назад +10

      @@kasane1337 Ovo = Egg. *A X-[something] in Portuguese means a hamburguer style sandwich with some kind of specific filling and cheese.

  • @thibistharkuk2929
    @thibistharkuk2929 2 года назад +1136

    Ah yes, my personal nemesis : creating a lexicon which goes further than allowing me to say "I see a man"
    Edit : love how every once and there I have a random translation into a conlang sent to me here

    • @malachiosborn9452
      @malachiosborn9452 2 года назад +27

      Visrié gorh

    • @thibistharkuk2929
      @thibistharkuk2929 2 года назад +17

      @@malachiosborn9452 Azghe azo támà

    • @valkeakirahvi
      @valkeakirahvi 2 года назад +9

      Renní keles / seŋgriš wašmaq rek.

    • @eobardthawne3333
      @eobardthawne3333 2 года назад +36

      In objesh it's nananananananansnanaaannNnananNnnNNNNaaa. Ananananananananananansnansnsna. Anna's nsnananaannaan

    • @jeongbun2386
      @jeongbun2386 2 года назад +6

      Main ek ahdmi dekhta hoon…wait

  • @davigurgel2040
    @davigurgel2040 Год назад +55

    16:24 I love the hamburguer example because we reanalized again in portuguese. The word "cheese" sound a lot like the name we give the letter X, /ʃis/ so in brazil, we turned cheeseburger into X-burguer. And then we replaced "burguer" with the flavor. X-bacon, x-salada, or my favorite X-tudo (everything burguer)

  • @jimeatscorn6628
    @jimeatscorn6628 2 года назад +35

    The word for "cat" in my language is modeled after gibberish I would say to my cat.

  • @flirora
    @flirora 2 года назад +220

    Some more tips I have are:
    * avoid single-word definitions; in fact, have both a field for a more detailed definition as well as one for how that word might be translated into the metalanguage
    * more controversially, always role-mark arguments of a verb; for instance, the definition for *triłit* in Ŋarâþ Crîþ v9 is ‘(S) recommends (I) to do (O)’. In fact, I even do this for some nouns, such as *nalda*, which has the definitions ‘the boundary between the interior and exterior of (GEN)’ and ‘a bound on the quantity of (GEN)’.
    * whenever you coin a word, look up the definition of the metalanguage equivalent in the dictionary to get a feel for the senses in which it can be used

    • @Lichenthefictioneer
      @Lichenthefictioneer  2 года назад +41

      I entirely agree with all of this. For example, in the entry for 'sell' I have all the roles specified as "(seller)=ERG (buyer)=ACC gives (item)=INSTR (money)=LOC". In fact, all this is one of the entries under 'give', because there is no single word for 'sell'; it's lexified as "give (someone) (something) for money".

    • @kinpandun2464
      @kinpandun2464 Год назад +10

      Please explain in layperson. I would like to understand your comment.

    • @sniccups8390
      @sniccups8390 Год назад +4

      @@kinpandun2464 Basically, "don't let your words be one-to-one translations of specific words in your native language", "look up alternate meanings for natural words to figure out alternate meanings for your words", and "mark down exactly how a word is used grammatically". The examples are of different ways that a verb can interact with its nouns - when you talk about "selling" something, which participant is the direct object? The person you're selling to, or the thing being sold?

  • @johnterpack3940
    @johnterpack3940 Год назад +30

    Another thing to think about if you really want to complicate matters... synonyms aren't always synonymous. I've had this argument several times. My favorite example is "damp" and "moist". Ostensibly, they both mean "slightly wet". And they do have overlapping usage. But there is a difference in connotation. You will NEVER hear a chef brag about how "damp" his cake is.

    • @samwallaceart288
      @samwallaceart288 Год назад +14

      Yeah. To me "damp" means "was dry but got wetted", "moist" means "is wet of its own accord"
      If your pet rock gets left out in the rain, it's damp.
      If the rock was just mined out of the bottom of a cave, it's moist.

    • @johnterpack3940
      @johnterpack3940 Год назад +7

      @@samwallaceart288 That's actually an interesting distinction. Although people do sometimes "moisten a towel".

    • @theapexsurvivor9538
      @theapexsurvivor9538 2 месяца назад +2

      ​@@samwallaceart288hmmm, I'd have personally said that damp is when a material's surface is permeated with a wet liquid (as opposed to a dry liquid like Nitrogen, certain anhydrous acids, Mercury, etc.) while moist is when it's coated in or leaking a wet liquid. So pavement gets damp when it's spitting with rain, but becomes moist when it's bucketing rain; (living) moss is always damp, but becomes quite slippery when moist; and clothes are moist when you pull them out of a bucket of water, but are damp when moving them from the washing line to the drier in the afternoon.

    • @johnterpack3940
      @johnterpack3940 26 дней назад

      @LeifTunteri-s7r You must read the same books my wife reads.

    • @johnterpack3940
      @johnterpack3940 25 дней назад

      @LeifTunteri-s7r I don't remember. It's been a looooooong time since I was a teenager. And I wasn't sober for all of it.

  • @adjermany3180
    @adjermany3180 Год назад +127

    I like to use onomatopoeia for inspiration. In iallasaani a lot of nouns also double as sound words:
    'Bappo' both means apple, and the sound of something small and round hitting something
    'Pillip' means fish and the sound of something wet flailing around
    'Gashguchi' means eel, and a general slimy sound

    • @EchoLog
      @EchoLog Год назад +12

      I love this! Great excuse for a bunch of marginal phonemes.

    • @Mortablunt
      @Mortablunt Год назад

      Bappo also is the euphemism Brian used on Family Guy to try to convince Stewie that giving him herpes wasn’t actually so bad

    • @catalinasutliff2867
      @catalinasutliff2867 Год назад +7

      Mao - Cat

    • @bourbon2242
      @bourbon2242 Год назад +1

      @@catalinasutliff2867 Meow Zedong

  • @lostinnowhere6688
    @lostinnowhere6688 Год назад +14

    7:19 a good example of exactly this is Korean; "to die" is 죽다, "to kill" is 죽이다

  • @miwiarts
    @miwiarts 2 года назад +73

    And when we needed him the most, he comes back in splendiferous glory! :D

  • @AgmaSchwa
    @AgmaSchwa 2 года назад +56

    As we saw from our Conlang Census, people think Lexicon and Evolution are the hardest parts of conlanging... Awesome video!

  • @reglissh952
    @reglissh952 Год назад +10

    fun fact about french:
    "connaître" is built from "co" and "naître", first being a prefix for stuff done together, and "naître" meaning "being born". "connaître", in the beginning, therefore meant "copulate". When you know that fact it's very fun to say you know a bunch of people, because then you have that fact in the back of your brain all the time

    • @CommonCommiestudios
      @CommonCommiestudios 8 месяцев назад +4

      Funnily enough, that is simply a coincidence, because naître comes from Latin nascor (to be born/I am born) while connaître comes from cognosco, which is made up of co+gnosco (a different root)

    • @GlaceonStudios
      @GlaceonStudios 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@CommonCommiestudiosAnd that, my friends, is backformation at play! Honestly clever

  • @lipamanka
    @lipamanka 2 года назад +121

    for wordlists: you can use toki pona's content words as a base for words you need, it's a great set of basic words. toki pona was designed to have the most simple and elementary words.

    • @Alexandra-ip2by
      @Alexandra-ip2by 2 года назад +33

      Of course, every language should have a word meaning "to interact with the official toki pona book" (i'm joking, i get what you mean and mi toki kepeken toki pona kin)

    • @lipamanka
      @lipamanka 2 года назад +6

      @@Alexandra-ip2by lmao, sina pona a a

    • @that_orange_hat
      @that_orange_hat 2 года назад +17

      this is false. toki pona, while minimalistic, really doesn't have a vocabulary optimized to be as simple as possible or have the most basic words. for example, you can't express a relative clause, but there is a unique word for fruit/vegetable when "kasi moku" (food-plant) would suffice

    • @lipamanka
      @lipamanka 2 года назад +14

      @@that_orange_hat that's. like completely missing the point lmao, it's a great base to go off of for vocabulary, not grammatical features. I think you lack experience and perspective tbh

    • @that_orange_hat
      @that_orange_hat 2 года назад +6

      @@lipamanka sorry? i lack experience and perspective? tenpo sike tu la mi sona e toki pona! i'm a fluent toki pona speaker, i just understand that although an interesting conlang, it's not like there was intense study put into the most fundamental vocabulary lol

  • @augustlizabethmoore
    @augustlizabethmoore 2 года назад +41

    Since I'm creating a full language I use the Swadesh list as reference, but only to take the words I know I need. Most of the time I end up combining words and then splitting them based on use over time and functionality in language.

  • @sully9767
    @sully9767 2 года назад +51

    8:20 I always use The Hobbit as a translation-task (or the UN Charter Of Human Rights for certain conlangs)

    • @ashenen2278
      @ashenen2278 2 года назад +6

      A man of culture! And thanks for the idea^^

    • @Lichenthefictioneer
      @Lichenthefictioneer  2 года назад +24

      The Hobbit strikes me as a looooong translation-task :P

    • @sully9767
      @sully9767 2 года назад +20

      ​@@Lichenthefictioneer It is and I've never finished it, but, regardless of the hubris of trying, it generates a lot of words in a lot of different contexts (and also lots of transliterations and words for hobbit)

    • @chri-k
      @chri-k 6 месяцев назад

      Same!

  • @sully9767
    @sully9767 2 года назад +49

    16:10 Banana > Banan-er > to banan

  • @the_linguist_ll
    @the_linguist_ll 2 года назад +30

    Nivaclé's derivation system and simulative suffixes are so robust that they're noticeably repellent of loans, because most concepts can just be derived.

  • @anonymm3152
    @anonymm3152 Год назад +16

    I just made the word "bird" in my conlang "þwóhöł" from the sound they make when they fly (þwoþwoþwoh), and the living noun ending -öł (pronounced like German ö + welsh ll). Then i derived "to fly" from that, making it "þwóhìt".

    • @madibobadi9222
      @madibobadi9222 Год назад +1

      man i sure wish there was a voice notes version of this whole comment section 😔

  • @Kamarovsky_KCM
    @Kamarovsky_KCM 2 года назад +45

    I've been working on a conlang of mine for like 4 years now, and very often used such tactics as deriving words from some roots of other words I already had, but I never wrote down those etymologies, so now I'm just completely lost in a lexicon of nearly 1500 words but barely any extra etymological linking between them 💀

    • @codekillerz5392
      @codekillerz5392 2 года назад +24

      That sounds like peak naturalism to me

    • @idaalinezhad1001
      @idaalinezhad1001 Год назад +4

      Omg... me too! I create words from the words already existing in the language, and I still forget how this word was made to be!! It gives me a lack of originality 🤧😂💔

    • @idaalinezhad1001
      @idaalinezhad1001 Год назад +2

      @@codekillerz5392 whoa... beautiful 😨

    • @sophiejones3554
      @sophiejones3554 Год назад +14

      So pull a Tolkien and work backwards from the words you have, to reconstruct your roots. Maybe it wasn't the same roots you originally used 4 years ago but that really doesn't matter. It just gives your devoted readers something to argue about after you kick the bucket.

  • @zonezealot887
    @zonezealot887 2 года назад +17

    7:43 another problem with the Swadesh list (if your making a naturalistic conlang) is that it presumes the words listed to be core vocabulary and unchanging. This is untrue, the word ‘woman’ is a good example. In English it came from a compound that replaced the original word: OE wīf mann (women person) > ME woman. Incidentally, the original word ‘wīf’ changed semantically itself to modern English ‘wife’. Similar things happen all the time in many natural languages.

  • @sby60118
    @sby60118 2 года назад +18

    For me, i use the just do it method for choosing sounds, though i don’t think them up; i usually just speak gibberish until i find something i like and or fits with the meaning of that word.
    And i also obscure natlang words, though this is also mixed with random inspiration in the form of references or jokes hidden in the lexicon (though at times it is a bit too obvious).
    And also if you were wondering what i edited, i added paragraphs instead of it just being a block of text (along with a few grammatical mistakes).

  • @LeeTheGoat
    @LeeTheGoat 2 года назад +20

    my technique:
    1. go to wiktionary
    2. look up a word that most languages should have (like "yes" or "flower")
    3. go to the translation page and scrape every language's word for said thing
    4. process those words to fit your phonology-tactics
    Done!

  • @franciszkaninspodglogowa
    @franciszkaninspodglogowa 2 года назад +21

    fantastic content! ive never heard of conlang before but now im all in thanks to you

  • @NathanTAK
    @NathanTAK Год назад +4

    Hm, that was a great 6 minute and twelve second video explaining how to make words, what a nice little resource.
    _moves mouse_
    What

  • @FaeriePrince
    @FaeriePrince 2 года назад +5

    Gonna start a conlang now. It's quite easy for me to just come up with any random sound, so before I do that, I'm just gonna set out random rules of the language as it comes to mind. Then as I develop it further, I'll contextualize it and see what would drift, how common words are, if any of the rules would be too inconvenient for native speakers, if specific applications of the rules difficult to speak, etc.

  • @sniccups8390
    @sniccups8390 Год назад +3

    As for "random inspiration", one of my friends once saw so much advertisement from random companies with nonsensical names that he started keeping a list of them, and ended up with over a hundred such names. I ended up using a few of them as words.

  • @Zeronistaa
    @Zeronistaa 2 года назад +7

    i eozz beisas bikin be zle birzz denginz, iz liz iioazzin akznoilda. i kafelin iz liz zoe irs koz i bilos ze debngaza azoe tin li-i.
    Translation:
    (I just finished making my two first conglangs, it was an interesting experience. at the beginning it was very hard but I managed to complete every thing woo-hoo.)

  • @banditodog
    @banditodog 2 года назад +8

    You are an amazing one who serves the algorithm! Love your stuff!

  • @JudeKennedyATCL
    @JudeKennedyATCL Год назад +4

    The aim of my current conlang project is to be something that I can speak (to myself) and think in and is therefore based around the languages I've learnt and uses ideas from them as well as many of my own.
    Nuu moe i' no' meer vorð'sè śkrijf ije må!

  • @GG69BLIN
    @GG69BLIN 2 года назад +13

    5:54 Sound a bit weird, but I also find inspirations in baby's/toddlers , because they try to speak your language, but it's always just not good enough, or they say other thing, so I think, O, yes, i cant put that in my conlang🤣

  • @worldbuildingjuice
    @worldbuildingjuice 2 года назад +14

    Nice. Kinda related, sometimes for fun i take two words from two diff langs that sound similar & i try to come up with a list of meaning changes to see how one word could come to mean the other one, & i think this could be great inspiration for semantic drift & things like that

  • @prophetofgarfield
    @prophetofgarfield 2 года назад +8

    very good video. i always run into a problem in which when creating words i feel the need to oversimplify and compound the words to a point at which really simple concepts in english, like doorknob, become really difficult to explain in my conlangs because i just dont want to add more words than absolutely necessary

  • @Nemo_Anom
    @Nemo_Anom 2 года назад +7

    I've finally become happy with phonology/phonotactics, and have turned to word creation. My trouble is not the process, but that none of the words I create sounds like a good fit. They do not feel real.

  • @jal123me
    @jal123me 2 года назад +5

    This was a breath of fresh air to watch, pleasant and informative. I've been having a lot of trouble making a lexicon for my Constructed language, 'Vorska'. Still, for some reason, this video injected some much-needed energy into the will to keep creating and going. Thank you. SUBSCRIBED!

  • @Zuzentasun
    @Zuzentasun 2 года назад +7

    Very useful video. I'm going to comment for the algorithm.

    • @dr_qf
      @dr_qf Год назад +1

      Зачем украинский флаг в названии?
      Навіщо український прапор у назві?

  • @yyoshman
    @yyoshman Год назад +2

    idk what conlangs even are or what they are really for but this got recommmended to me and now i wanna make one

  • @kinpandun2464
    @kinpandun2464 Год назад +1

    Now I have jargon for all the stuff I already do anyway, and a few new tricks to add to my toolbox, besides that.
    Subscribed, for sure.

  • @CheckaMeAWD
    @CheckaMeAWD 2 месяца назад

    I love the background sounds! It’s like we are sitting by a campfire at night telling different legends and myths we’ve heard. Great video!!

  • @SBVCP
    @SBVCP Год назад +4

    I *want* to use generators and lists, but ultimately I just shuffle around words and typos take inspiration from natlangs to translate words that I previously saved because I liked them. I do not know if the lack of methodic-ity is why I never finished a conlang but oh well
    I take the opposite approach often though, instead of going for bases, I translate little pieces of text and poetry (ultimately I want to creat my own, but creating a different kind of poetry is hard and requires nuance in a conlang that as aforementioend, i did not finished) and work from there "inwards"

  • @wh0sc4nd1ce
    @wh0sc4nd1ce Год назад +3

    the word in my conlang for monster is tÿeehwel which is litterally the word 3 and leg combined.

  • @Mrs._Fenc
    @Mrs._Fenc 2 года назад +1

    Informing and chucklable, 10/10

  • @rohanhansen471
    @rohanhansen471 2 года назад +3

    Thank you, Lichen. This is extremely helpful.

  • @msp654
    @msp654 Год назад +2

    As a suggestion for coming up with sounds to use, in my conlang I already had some names picked out for characters that would in universe speak the language. I took the sounds from their names, dissected them, and bam plenty of sounds I can shove in a blender for new words!

  • @rasmusvanwerkhoven1962
    @rasmusvanwerkhoven1962 2 года назад +5

    Great, informative video as always!

  • @steakfilly5199
    @steakfilly5199 2 года назад +7

    On the terms of Easter eggs, I have several words in my conlang named after people I know irl. Also my word for “takes in” is “ēkskrīt“ /ˈɛːkskɾiːt/ which is pronounced almost the same as English excrete. So I can say I ēkskrīt pulled pork, and it sounds nasty but in reality makes perfect sense

    • @Mrs._Fenc
      @Mrs._Fenc 2 года назад +2

      that's very fun to pronounce

    • @steakfilly5199
      @steakfilly5199 2 года назад +1

      @@Mrs._Fenc thanks ig lol

    • @steakfilly5199
      @steakfilly5199 2 года назад +2

      @@Mrs._Fenc my favorite sounding word in my main conlang is īonbemor /ˈjo̞nbe̞mo̞ɾ/ which means city state. What’s your favorite word to pronounce in yours?

    • @Mrs._Fenc
      @Mrs._Fenc 2 года назад +1

      @@steakfilly5199 Uh.. Uhm... Let's just say there's a reason why I clicked on this video. lol

    • @steakfilly5199
      @steakfilly5199 2 года назад

      @@Mrs._Fenc oh ok lol

  • @jamestandy8594
    @jamestandy8594 2 года назад +1

    One for the algorithm ;) Your videos are always top notch! So much good advice in here!

  • @LuxurioMusic
    @LuxurioMusic Год назад

    I like the note you add at 11:33 about most conlangers finding making relexes undesireable, but go ahead if you want, just be aware.
    A lot of people conflate the idea that something isn't popular to it being bad, so I really appreciate that you make a point of mentioning that the opinion is a cultural norm but not adding a value judgement to people wanting to try it out.

    • @LuxurioMusic
      @LuxurioMusic Год назад

      Regarding translation and loanwords, one anecdote I read once (maybe in a youtube comment?) was a persons first language arabic parents replacing the 'al' at the start of a word with 'the' in speech, so a word like "alzheimer's" becomes "the zheimer's".

  • @EchoLog
    @EchoLog Год назад +9

    A major reason I'm so interested in language and conlanging is my internal dialogue and understanding of the world don't line up perfectly with my native languages.
    "Is English more efficient, French more precise?" I have this conversation with my family all the time with English, French, ASL, toki pona and North American creoles that we speak. It's actually incredibly frustrating how often me or my pa want to say something and then have to go research our own languages and on-the-spot clong up a way to say it.

    • @tuluppampam
      @tuluppampam Год назад +3

      Do you speak toki pona with your family?

    • @EchoLog
      @EchoLog Год назад +3

      @@tuluppampam yes, they're not fluent but there's some toki ponists in their 50s over here. It turns into "spanglish pona" most often when we're at work.

    • @tuluppampam
      @tuluppampam Год назад +2

      @@EchoLog that is one of the strangest things I've ever heard
      That seems like a lot of fun for anyone interested in learning toki pona

    • @EchoLog
      @EchoLog Год назад +3

      @@tuluppampam it's a language that's very close to being just the semantic primes - and it's culturally very politeness and happiness oriented. Those traits make it very easy to blend with another language into a new creole (what it already is).
      Basically it's the best second language, a terrible 6th or 10th language, but the best 2nd.

  • @uniquesteel54
    @uniquesteel54 4 месяца назад +1

    The words in my conlang that I really like are the ones that are immediately associated with their meanings

  • @lilruni
    @lilruni Год назад +2

    in one of my conlangs, I needed a word for school, so I made the word д人, which sounds like the english word "hell"

  • @MyhoMusic
    @MyhoMusic 2 года назад +2

    2:42 Subtitles : « … or maybe… *I died?* »

  • @cjab__
    @cjab__ 4 месяца назад

    This video is a gem. Thank you.

  • @Garfield_Minecraft
    @Garfield_Minecraft 9 месяцев назад +1

    3 ways to make a good word
    1)make word from good etymology
    2)you can randomly generate it
    3)steal.. i mean borrowing

  • @johnathanmorris3378
    @johnathanmorris3378 Год назад

    I love the idea of contorting existing words to create roots in a conlang-- sound symbolism can be powerful!

  • @ExzaktVid
    @ExzaktVid 5 месяцев назад

    That alliteration at the start can only be made with an amazing lexicon.

  • @TheThreehigh
    @TheThreehigh Год назад +1

    "one who serves the algorithm" earned a like and sub right there.

  • @Tulin258
    @Tulin258 2 года назад +2

    2:18 I thought he said “invent of obscure natlangs” 😅

  • @valkeakirahvi
    @valkeakirahvi 2 года назад +2

    I have several go-to dictionaries for my conlangs, that have words that sound right for my languages' phonologies. I mostly use Sumerian and Basque because they are very little known, and then scramble up the meanings and sounds a bit.

  • @linksel3034
    @linksel3034 Час назад

    For my first conlang I decided to just keep my German morphemes, which was really fun, cause I understood what I said.

  • @silverstar8868
    @silverstar8868 2 года назад +1

    What I like to do is based words off noises the thing makes. Mostly when it comes to animals. Like cat being ñoú

  • @streampunksheep
    @streampunksheep Год назад

    I'll be with you on this journey my dude. I expect a lot of great things

  • @Pepakpe_Landme_Real
    @Pepakpe_Landme_Real Месяц назад

    I'm Making A Conlang Named Pakish, And I Can't Make Words. Similar To My Other Conlangs, Xawu and Hajabian. Hajabian Is Actually 3 Conlangs. This Helps Me A LOT. Now, I Can Finish Xawu And The 3 Hajabian Conlangs! Random Inspiration Is My Favo(u)rite. Pakish Is Smol, So I Took Inspiration from Toki Pona. It Helped Me A Lot! Thank You.

  • @godowskygodowsky1155
    @godowskygodowsky1155 Год назад

    My technique is to create an analytic protolanguage with ~100 basic words, generate compounds and use a basic grammar, and then evolve that language into 3 or so descendant languages, with the ocassional word borrowing if the history allows for it.

  • @stephenspackman5573
    @stephenspackman5573 Месяц назад

    I have to say that generators are a deep subject. I mean, not only do you need to be able to generate a class III(c) verb borrowed from Western Fn%pqq^ (remember those trade routes!) after the consonant rotation but before the second spelling reform, but ideally (er, right) you'd be able to generate the _existence_ of class III(c) borrowings from Fn%pqq^.
    Um, let me try and reverse that thought into something useful. It's fun to work out your classes and cryptoclasses and make them _parameters_ to the generation process. This even makes things like lists of conserved words useful again: they should be statistically different from borrowings. Similarly, it's nice if there are statistical patterns relating phonology to inflectional and selectional subregularities. If nothing else it gives you something to feel smug about.

  • @rigure
    @rigure 11 месяцев назад

    For words I need I start thinking about what words will definitely be needed, I happened to start with translating fruit. Then for some I agreed that referring to color is good, so I started making colors, I also try to make example sentences, I randomly thought of a word and decided it HAD to be the word for "to fly" so then I figured out how to make my first sentence structure and thought of what words I'd need for that :D

  • @somerandompersonontheinter656
    @somerandompersonontheinter656 2 года назад +3

    Showing interest

  • @rorystockley5969
    @rorystockley5969 2 года назад +2

    What a mirrenseksek video!

  • @bourbon2242
    @bourbon2242 Год назад +2

    19:49 French acting all innocent with *aujourd’hui* (today)

    • @prof.reuniclus21
      @prof.reuniclus21 11 месяцев назад

      au jour d’aujourd’hui… on the day of this day of this day lol

  • @Tekyng_of_Baregan
    @Tekyng_of_Baregan 3 месяца назад

    I appreciate the use of lungs when you say inspiration:)

  • @BryceMacEvoy
    @BryceMacEvoy 6 месяцев назад

    The best words sound like their meaning, which makes them easier to remember and easier to understand. English has a lot of these - Ocean. Spiky. Bubble. Soothing. (to name a few)

  • @Pengalen
    @Pengalen Год назад

    I think the swadesh list is probably a good place to start for a basic lexicon, even when taking your mentioned caveats into account. As it includes a lot of very basic words, you can also start building compound words from those, as quite a lot of contemporary words are just compounded words from other languages (for English). It would also be neat to have a list of proto-Indo-European words, both for generation purposes, but also as sort of a basic list of roots to start from.

  • @Lightning_Fox
    @Lightning_Fox Год назад +1

    I had no idea this is a thing, this is very cool.

  • @Amanda-C.
    @Amanda-C. Год назад

    Okay, I don't know about "burgle", but "sculpt" as a verb definitely follows a pattern of deriving the verb from the past participle, and -or was a Latin suffix. I haven't researched it, but I'm confident that both "sculpt" and "sculptor" are derived from the same verb "sculpere", using Latin derivational morphology: sculpere > sculptus (stem sculpt-) > sculptor. No back-formation required.

  • @johnacetable7201
    @johnacetable7201 Год назад

    I think that the very first rule for creating words is the length. The second is using realistic sound combination, and consistent combination frequency patterns.

  • @alchemyfarie
    @alchemyfarie 2 года назад

    I have some old french and german language textbooks from school and i often turn to those for vocab lists and sample sentences to translate

  • @I_AM_R3D_SKY
    @I_AM_R3D_SKY 9 месяцев назад +2

    2:43 « I died »😂

  • @engineertf2-v6i
    @engineertf2-v6i 2 года назад +3

    Man you're impressive

  • @gDev23
    @gDev23 2 месяца назад

    I personally use AIs to generate the word "forest" in 50 languages, I choose 4-10 words that I like the sound or how they look, an then ask the bot to combine them in many different forms, also changing some things by myself, until I have a word that I like.

  • @lilruni
    @lilruni Год назад +1

    What if u want to make a separate word to replace suffixes/prefixes

  • @genera1013
    @genera1013 2 года назад +1

    6:25
    That ..... that's not a microwave.....

  • @naolucillerandom5280
    @naolucillerandom5280 Год назад +1

    Ok, so the first thing I'm doing with my mermaid language is translating The Little Mermaid.

  • @caseyw1288
    @caseyw1288 Год назад

    Lichen: Don't use the Swadesh list to make your lexicon, it wasn't meant for that
    Me: ... (closes open Swadesh list tab)

  • @CathodeRayKobold
    @CathodeRayKobold Год назад

    I don't do whole conlangs, but 1.5 is a method I use a lot for names. Here are a couple of my favorites:
    My family likes to mispronounce Cereal. From that I got "Cyrril."
    Someone playing games on RUclips was having trouble navigating around a door. From their quote "Door negotiation" I got Dornigoche.
    Baby talk with my cat turned "Stretch" into "Skwetch" which is a great name for a goblin or kobold.

  • @construtortex4779
    @construtortex4779 2 месяца назад

    How I do it is by making random monosyllable words which I will in turn use to make giant words, like how in Sonpe Pra Dindi, Bihesavnhekan, or air domesticated land animal means chicken.

  • @coruscaregames
    @coruscaregames Месяц назад

    I like that easter egg thing :> My friend usually goes into the water when we play minecraft so I made the root for swimming "t-e-ch-r", which resembles part of how I pronounce their username "detrilogue" :>

  • @livedandletdie
    @livedandletdie 2 года назад +1

    Oh and I'll take one Shuggothburger please, and a side of shub-niggurath fries and a large Hastur Soda.

  • @mattiaminetta2504
    @mattiaminetta2504 Год назад

    wow grate content and exelent lenguage use. TY for this

  • @LUNA_T_
    @LUNA_T_ 21 день назад

    the AI imagery is headache inducing but the tips on conlanging are really helpful!

  • @kriterer
    @kriterer Год назад

    A method I like is choosing phonotactic constraints, then trying to make words through onomatopoeia that fit the constraints

  • @Blablabla-rg1fy
    @Blablabla-rg1fy Год назад +1

    I wanna make a conlang but i dont know where to start? Im kind of a beginner nerd when it comes to linguistics and etymology so idk how to just… do it.

  • @theapexsurvivor9538
    @theapexsurvivor9538 2 месяца назад

    To be fair to -or, it's technically productive as it is just -er for verbs with a state/action noun form ending in -ion, so any words created with that ending will have an -or suffix. So Funimation staff are Funimators rather than Funimaters (because they aren't fun to... you get the idea).

  • @learnoka2222
    @learnoka2222 2 года назад +1

    Thx this helped a lot

  • @henriquesantil5585
    @henriquesantil5585 Год назад

    My strategy was to make a word for any emoji (that has a meaning associated like 🐅 or 🎂, not emojis with a too subjective meanings like 💢 or 🔰)

  • @jan_Masewin
    @jan_Masewin 2 года назад +1

    excellent content!

  • @WilliamLious
    @WilliamLious 2 года назад +1

    Another option is to take a root word and put it through a series of phonetic transformations.