ultimate is fun and all but it just rewards campy walling meta. It feels like a game with a million neutral interactions, and the punishes are almost nonexistent. Melee feels like a sweet aromatic balance of neutral, punish, execution, and movement. I quit melee in 2018 and just recently started playing again and I'm honestly surprised it's still going so strong (God bless Fizzi) The community is insane I love it
I admire your commitment to recognizing the flaws in your content and improving them. This is such a hard topic to articulate, and I feel you will get better each time you do it. You are one of the first people to really emphasize that the lack of a buffer as part of what makes Melee special. I would like to see a video going deeper into that.
today was my first dsy of college, I brought a CRT and played some melee in the student life room, as expected the faculty tried to kick us out but we made it clear that we're not leaving
I've tried explaining Melee to friends who wanted me to play Ultimate because I'm "the smash bros" friend (Melee/P+ but really got into it with PM). I think this does a great job, but at the same time it's like... I'll still play Ult if it's the only option at a party/get-together but they know that I'm not having fun. I'm going to sound like a huge dick here, but I think the main issue is that the people I've tried to explain *why* I like Melee better to just don't have passion for really anything (at least when it comes to gaming). They pick up the latest releases and never really dig into them to figure out how they tick and they're hella anti-social -- the idea of getting up to drive 3+ hours to a "local" just doesn't compute with them. It's a bold effort to try to explain passion to others, but I will also say that at some point you've just got to find better friends that will be excited with you and maybe even join you. Ult sucks :P great vid!
If Ultimate allowed buffer to be disabled, everyone could have a decent time Sure there'd still be 3 frame jump squats, inability to tech at higher percents & no shield drops etc etc but the buffer system makes the adjustment extra jarring
It is astonishing how many people in this word have no actual interests. Oh you like to go to the bar with your friends but also sometimes watch Netflix at home? My god please care about something
God for such a small channel your melee content is amazing. I would love to see you make more videos on the game, because you are an excellent writer and storyteller. Keep it up!
@@intrastella5555 No problem! I hope you get big! (I may or may not have replayed this at 0.25 speed and shared it to all my friends to promote this in the algorithm.)
if you play both you can appreciate them both. the sheer amount of matchups in ultimate makes optimal gameplay so varied, that its a totally different game almost and you have to adapt to the matchup so much and not only the playstyle of the other player. I like how ultimate can feel insanely fast like melee and then sometimes play super slow. Of course there are some lame ass characters though. it makes the mental component of the game tough. In melee though i love the schmovement. You can be very physical with the game
As someone who plays both, trying to switch from a defensive Robin in ultimate to an aggressive Roy in melee felt insanely weird, especially on a keyboard. However, both games are insanely fun to play, and I urge players to try both. Amazing video!
I used to main Ultimate, having started playing Smash in Brawl and moving to Smash 4 like most Brawl players did, and then moving to Ult like most Smash 4 players did. After a while though, I switched to Melee. While I do like Ultimate, the level of creativity that Melee and P+ allow is unmatched. I'm someone who enjoys playing difficult or complex characters that have a lot of options (I mean, I main Peach in Ultimate). The thing about Melee, though, is that every character has that kind of depth in that game. I still enjoy titles like Ult and Brawl, but Melee is just so much more fun once you get used to it.
Melee is the perfect example of how something with seemingly simple rules and characteristics can become more complex the more these rules and characteristics are used in specific contexts and pushed to its absolute limits. Creating these "meta" rules and characteristics that only people in the know and with the right skills to push the original rules to a point nobody imagined it could be at the start. A simple new discovery chaging the whole meta rules. And these things are not very common in videogames, especially one that doesn't get updates constantly like an mmo or a moba or most recent videogames really, except for maybe the souls games and others
rly great vid!! despite it only being played ina competitive format i wld argue against melees appeal being solely competitive rn. it definitely was in the years from brawl up to slippi, but slippi unranked has reopened the door for casual, no stakes, fun focused play. i think part of the recent uptick in low n midtier successes competitively is the ability to hop on slippi n lose to better characters n players over n over for hours while only having fun n improvement to show for it. in a time where it seems like almost every new or relevant game has tangible stakes like skill rating n ranks n progression outside the actual game, melee offers that with an unmeasurably high skill ceiling n limitless depth, but also a break from that where u can play however u want n nothings on the line except ur own enjoyment in the moment which imo is what casual gaming rly is
where modern games obsess over How You Should Play melee gives u the choice, bc its such a rich competitive game most ppl gravitate to that part, bt that doesnt ever remove the option of having a late night unranked random ditto session or deciding to pick up kirby for a week just to see what happens. u can play fox at ur competitive best for an hour then pick gnw fish for 9s n get 4-0d for another hour n nothing but how much fun ur having will change, allowing ppl to play in whichever way they enjoy most without trying to control them
yeah when i say solely competitive i dont mean everyone needs to compete at the competitive level i moreso mean that the competitive scene is the sole interest (no items, standardized stage list) of the people that are still playing.
Great video. Ult player but Melee enjoyer here. I don't play Melee, cause mainly having to learn the tech skill is putting me off, but it's just way too good to not watch it when played at the highest level
As someone who ours tons of time into both games this is real. Ult DEFINITELY has solid moments and some awesome stuff and feels a lot more "thought intensive" whereas melee has a crazy high technical ceiling and feels a lot more "somewhat memorize what to do in what situation" type feeling. because of the faster gameplay it feels more like knowing the right or wrong answer in a situation, whereas ult feels more like you can interact more with your environment (more grabbanle projectiles, way more off stage, Steve shit, etc) but is also a good bit slower, making it more thought reliant. I love both so much. Melee is a so timeless it's insane and ultimate is brawl done more correctly as it leanrs more into casual play but not so hard like brawl does so ultimate can be played at a much higher level as well. Great vid
I think l canceling is the only element of melee i actively dislike, i wish you explined your personal appeal because i just don't get it. It isn't an option for me to do more sick stuff, it's a restriction that feels arbitrary to boot.
But what if you combine the cool stuff of ultimate and melee (and a drop of rivals) you get HDR, sadly not as accessible as other mods like PM for brawl but once we get a failproof switch modding process HDR will be goated
I prefer 4XM on the Wii U The design philosophy feels more inline with Melee as characters aren't given floats + rests + jump cancel moves (PM is still cool though!!)
Ultimate's buffered short hop aerial macro is the one of worst implementations I've seen for a really well-intended mechanic Butchered full hop aerials for no reason😫 I'll never forgive them for removing shield drops too!!
@@Dracula_sb Yeah that was interesting change but it has some weird inconsistencies at times Being able to run through the opponent felt more liberating movement-wise though
Nice video, though when you're describing the input sequences needed for Shuffling & wavedashing, an on-screen input display would have made them hit home a little better. A visual representation
Honestly it comes down to this. Ult is boring to watch as a competitive game because it wasn't designed to be one. However It's one of the best party games every made. Melee is a clunky wack party game. But it is one of the best competitive games ever made, and for both spectators and players as well.
@@evans1.6nosteam jajaja siii verdad eso fue parte de la razon por lo cual queria hacer este video soy de costa rica!!! no hay una comindad de melee aqui para nada pero me gustaria ser la persona quien lo hace, aunque solo seamos como 4 personas😭
I need help finding a song. I'm 80 percent sure it's in the smash series. Idk how to describe this ear bug... I think there's some sort of high pitch synth in the song.
okay but actually good video made me smile, been glad to have spent my past 10 years since smash 4's release adjacent to melee (PM player who now has a marth)
Skit at the beginning fire
I hate when they spit an entire water bottle in my face smh 😔
@@seanmakesthingsu got it coming , filthy melee player
Lmfaoooo real
Not @@EdWuncler3rd telling me I'm filthy haha xD
@@seanmakesthings 😂
ultimate is fun and all but it just rewards campy walling meta. It feels like a game with a million neutral interactions, and the punishes are almost nonexistent. Melee feels like a sweet aromatic balance of neutral, punish, execution, and movement. I quit melee in 2018 and just recently started playing again and I'm honestly surprised it's still going so strong (God bless Fizzi) The community is insane I love it
I think Ultimate would've benefited from perfectly timed shields reflecting projectiles
I admire your commitment to recognizing the flaws in your content and improving them. This is such a hard topic to articulate, and I feel you will get better each time you do it.
You are one of the first people to really emphasize that the lack of a buffer as part of what makes Melee special. I would like to see a video going deeper into that.
Why I play both games. I ain't never gonna be caught lacking like that
today was my first dsy of college, I brought a CRT and played some melee in the student life room, as expected the faculty tried to kick us out but we made it clear that we're not leaving
I'M NOT FUCKIN LEAVING 😂
@@Dracula_sb Kiraflax, damn
@@chungusamongus519 Real, bro did NOT want to leave the local
Awesome video! Side note, that westballz clip where he does one of the sickest combos of all time and then dies to bair -> whiffed side b is hilarious
I've tried explaining Melee to friends who wanted me to play Ultimate because I'm "the smash bros" friend (Melee/P+ but really got into it with PM). I think this does a great job, but at the same time it's like... I'll still play Ult if it's the only option at a party/get-together but they know that I'm not having fun. I'm going to sound like a huge dick here, but I think the main issue is that the people I've tried to explain *why* I like Melee better to just don't have passion for really anything (at least when it comes to gaming). They pick up the latest releases and never really dig into them to figure out how they tick and they're hella anti-social -- the idea of getting up to drive 3+ hours to a "local" just doesn't compute with them. It's a bold effort to try to explain passion to others, but I will also say that at some point you've just got to find better friends that will be excited with you and maybe even join you.
Ult sucks :P great vid!
If Ultimate allowed buffer to be disabled, everyone could have a decent time
Sure there'd still be 3 frame jump squats, inability to tech at higher percents & no shield drops etc etc
but the buffer system makes the adjustment extra jarring
It is astonishing how many people in this word have no actual interests. Oh you like to go to the bar with your friends but also sometimes watch Netflix at home? My god please care about something
God for such a small channel your melee content is amazing. I would love to see you make more videos on the game, because you are an excellent writer and storyteller. Keep it up!
dude thanks!!! that means a lot really i really appreciate it
@@intrastella5555 No problem! I hope you get big!
(I may or may not have replayed this at 0.25 speed and shared it to all my friends to promote this in the algorithm.)
this is actually crazy good
really well made video, the skit was also great. I didn't realize how much i missed melee related skits since summit went down.
I would never okay Ultimate again in my life, if i could just play Melee once. It's that much better.
I’m an ultimate player, but love melee too. I appreciate the good content and hope you keep loving smash, regardless of the title
if you play both you can appreciate them both. the sheer amount of matchups in ultimate makes optimal gameplay so varied, that its a totally different game almost and you have to adapt to the matchup so much and not only the playstyle of the other player. I like how ultimate can feel insanely fast like melee and then sometimes play super slow. Of course there are some lame ass characters though. it makes the mental component of the game tough. In melee though i love the schmovement. You can be very physical with the game
here before this channel blows up
when things in melee start to click after months of internalizing the basic tech it feels so good
Who let bro cook
As someone who plays both, trying to switch from a defensive Robin in ultimate to an aggressive Roy in melee felt insanely weird, especially on a keyboard. However, both games are insanely fun to play, and I urge players to try both. Amazing video!
Melee Roy obviously has his flaws but I love his movement
(and down tilt)
I used to main Ultimate, having started playing Smash in Brawl and moving to Smash 4 like most Brawl players did, and then moving to Ult like most Smash 4 players did. After a while though, I switched to Melee. While I do like Ultimate, the level of creativity that Melee and P+ allow is unmatched. I'm someone who enjoys playing difficult or complex characters that have a lot of options (I mean, I main Peach in Ultimate). The thing about Melee, though, is that every character has that kind of depth in that game. I still enjoy titles like Ult and Brawl, but Melee is just so much more fun once you get used to it.
Melee is the perfect example of how something with seemingly simple rules and characteristics can become more complex the more these rules and characteristics are used in specific contexts and pushed to its absolute limits.
Creating these "meta" rules and characteristics that only people in the know and with the right skills to push the original rules to a point nobody imagined it could be at the start. A simple new discovery chaging the whole meta rules.
And these things are not very common in videogames, especially one that doesn't get updates constantly like an mmo or a moba or most recent videogames really, except for maybe the souls games and others
I hate that I cant like this video twice. May Melee live forever!
W video, had to sub, Melee is Goated 🐐
i cry everytime watching this. Im so glad that i had the lucky to live this
Fking funny ahahah, intro was gold! Long live to Melee!!
Pull my heartstrings out why dont you. Fantastic job
good content detected
L cancelling is an unnecessary mechanic that just adds barrier to entry. All the movement mechanics are top tier.
I agree. I wouldn't patch it out, but I wouldn't;t add it to a new game either (cough project+ cough)
Project M has a larger window and is, as often, imho the balanced choice between Melee and Ultimate.
@@matthiasschuster9505 If only more people could play it
rly great vid!! despite it only being played ina competitive format i wld argue against melees appeal being solely competitive rn. it definitely was in the years from brawl up to slippi, but slippi unranked has reopened the door for casual, no stakes, fun focused play. i think part of the recent uptick in low n midtier successes competitively is the ability to hop on slippi n lose to better characters n players over n over for hours while only having fun n improvement to show for it. in a time where it seems like almost every new or relevant game has tangible stakes like skill rating n ranks n progression outside the actual game, melee offers that with an unmeasurably high skill ceiling n limitless depth, but also a break from that where u can play however u want n nothings on the line except ur own enjoyment in the moment which imo is what casual gaming rly is
where modern games obsess over How You Should Play melee gives u the choice, bc its such a rich competitive game most ppl gravitate to that part, bt that doesnt ever remove the option of having a late night unranked random ditto session or deciding to pick up kirby for a week just to see what happens. u can play fox at ur competitive best for an hour then pick gnw fish for 9s n get 4-0d for another hour n nothing but how much fun ur having will change, allowing ppl to play in whichever way they enjoy most without trying to control them
yeah when i say solely competitive i dont mean everyone needs to compete at the competitive level i moreso mean that the competitive scene is the sole interest (no items, standardized stage list) of the people that are still playing.
I like melee cuz I can blink blink and then do TORYAH!
Blip*
Top ten skits ever, hit too deep
Good shit. Long live melee.
Melee melee melee
great editing, thanks for the video!
Great video. Ult player but Melee enjoyer here. I don't play Melee, cause mainly having to learn the tech skill is putting me off, but it's just way too good to not watch it when played at the highest level
As someone who ours tons of time into both games this is real. Ult DEFINITELY has solid moments and some awesome stuff and feels a lot more "thought intensive" whereas melee has a crazy high technical ceiling and feels a lot more "somewhat memorize what to do in what situation" type feeling. because of the faster gameplay it feels more like knowing the right or wrong answer in a situation, whereas ult feels more like you can interact more with your environment (more grabbanle projectiles, way more off stage, Steve shit, etc) but is also a good bit slower, making it more thought reliant. I love both so much. Melee is a so timeless it's insane and ultimate is brawl done more correctly as it leanrs more into casual play but not so hard like brawl does so ultimate can be played at a much higher level as well. Great vid
Landing lag hate this term, recovery frames is the correct term
I'm excited to watch that masterpiece skit so early into the viewcount.
I think l canceling is the only element of melee i actively dislike, i wish you explined your personal appeal because i just don't get it.
It isn't an option for me to do more sick stuff, it's a restriction that feels arbitrary to boot.
But what if you combine the cool stuff of ultimate and melee (and a drop of rivals) you get HDR, sadly not as accessible as other mods like PM for brawl but once we get a failproof switch modding process HDR will be goated
I prefer 4XM on the Wii U
The design philosophy feels more inline with Melee as characters aren't given floats + rests + jump cancel moves
(PM is still cool though!!)
This video is like summing up the bible into a pamphlet
Edit: and doing it justice
sometimes the pamphlets what gets em to church
@@intrastella5555 you're doing Gods work (the first comment was a compliment btw, you the man)
Here in Germany, I know almost noone who plays any smash game.
hahaha, now THIS... is epic
imo ssbu still has plenty artistic expression but i will agree that melee has much more and much higher skill ceiling.
Love the hummin the bass line feature
0:40
bruh. getting washed in ultimate as a melee player is a very particular kind of despair
one of the worst feelings ever
Only just realising this is a small channel!
Awesome content
Ultimate's buffered short hop aerial macro is the one of worst implementations I've seen for a really well-intended mechanic
Butchered full hop aerials for no reason😫
I'll never forgive them for removing shield drops too!!
Or being able to dash through characters 😢
@@Dracula_sb Yeah that was interesting change but it has some weird inconsistencies at times
Being able to run through the opponent felt more liberating movement-wise though
4:47 you didn't have to put on epstein vs. diddy to find a Brawl MK ditto bro 😭
good video
Nice video, though when you're describing the input sequences needed for Shuffling & wavedashing, an on-screen input display would have made them hit home a little better. A visual representation
this was legendary
Good movie
better second time around
Honestly it comes down to this. Ult is boring to watch as a competitive game because it wasn't designed to be one. However It's one of the best party games every made.
Melee is a clunky wack party game. But it is one of the best competitive games ever made, and for both spectators and players as well.
Ultimate & Smash 4 were the first ones with competitive play taken into account
Obviously it's only as ‘competitive’ as Nintendo desire but alas
Nice video
buen video dios de donde eres? los subtitulos en español me agarraron de sorpresa, hay poco contenido bueno de melee en español
@@evans1.6nosteam jajaja siii verdad eso fue parte de la razon por lo cual queria hacer este video
soy de costa rica!!! no hay una comindad de melee aqui para nada pero me gustaria ser la persona quien lo hace, aunque solo seamos como 4 personas😭
I need help finding a song. I'm 80 percent sure it's in the smash series. Idk how to describe this ear bug... I think there's some sort of high pitch synth in the song.
cool video :]
thank you. thank you.
Hell yeah
hi guys
Hell yea
fuckkin slapper bro
Brother, I can barely hear you over the violin.
You had something.. till you complained about the number of fire emblem characters in ulti. Whyyy
Ult is RPS but you select at the beginning of the match and can't change.
Melee is also RPS but every _interaction_ is another subgame.
idk how true this is
This is cap, and i cant stand ult
good video. respect
yeeeee
Amazing video
this video pisses me off everyone knows you pass the boof to the left not the right smh my head bad karma
okay but actually good video made me smile, been glad to have spent my past 10 years since smash 4's release adjacent to melee (PM player who now has a marth)
Falcoooooooo
Goated
This is so true LOL
So true
Great video! Melee still bad tho ❤